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RB Emari Demercado, ARZ (2 Viewers)

If trying establish a "culture"... cut him. If trying to build a safe refuge for selfish players... let him stay.
'We don't tolerate mistakes around here'.

I'm sure that'll work. Demercado seemed fairly affected by what he did, I don't think it's accurate to call him selfish but hey ho, Drill Sargeant Dizzy is in 'culling mode'.
There are different types of mistakes. If a ball carrier is fighting for extra yards and gets the ball stripped out, that's a mistake but it's something the coaching staff can work with them on. This type of mistake is different. It's just stupidity.

The thing is, this has happened so many times just in the past few years that it gets more stupid every additional time it happens. You'd think that every RB/WR in the NFL would be saying to themselves "I'm not going to let that happen to me".

Note: I'm not saying he should be cut and I don't know how the coaching staff should deal with it. I'm just saying this is different from just saying he made a mistake.
 
If trying establish a "culture"... cut him. If trying to build a safe refuge for selfish players... let him stay.
'We don't tolerate mistakes around here'.

I'm sure that'll work. Demercado seemed fairly affected by what he did, I don't think it's accurate to call him selfish but hey ho, Drill Sargeant Dizzy is in 'culling mode'.

It wasn't a mistake. It was a result of a player so focused on his next act that it prevented him from doing his JOB... in a CAREER... where his contributions directly impact the livelihood of others.

That may have killed their season. Dropping a game like that in the division they are in?

Yes, sorry... thank you for your time here... good luck carrying the rock for the Sacramento Soft White Underbellies.
 
I was out-bid for him and to settle for his backup Carter. :hophead:
Carter looked bad against what has been a bad rush defense, but 18 carries, 5 catches and a 1 inch TD run is a nice FF day. Started him out of desperation and desperation won for once.
 
I hate that Gannon apologized for hitting Demercado. He should've hit him harder, then asked the rest of the team to join in. Then cut him. That's how much I hate showboating. It's not a mistake, and it's not forgivable.
 
I was out-bid for him and to settle for his backup Carter. :hophead:
Carter looked bad against what has been a bad rush defense, but 18 carries, 5 catches and a 1 inch TD run is a nice FF day. Started him out of desperation and desperation won for once.

I’ve changed my mind and i’m zigging while everybody is zagging again. If Coach Gannon has eyes and they’re done seeing red, then I really don’t see how he either doesn’t got outsdide the organization or ask Emari to start.

I remember Michael Carter when he played on the Jets. His rise was short-lived and I wasn’t a fan.
 
Today's film room on repeat:
Don't be Emari Holliday

 
Today's film room on repeat:
Don't be Emari Holliday

In all seriousness, every coach for every team, in every sport, at all levels, should play this clip before every game. Then say, if ANYONE does this, you will automatically be cut, and I will make it my life's mission to make sure you never play in this league again. I assume that would at least cut down on stuff like this.
 
I hate that Gannon apologized for hitting Demercado. He should've hit him harder, then asked the rest of the team to join in. Then cut him. That's how much I hate showboating. It's not a mistake, and it's not forgivable.
Have to agree but that's the world today. I had a baseball coach back in the day that was an absolute tyrant, but he knew his stuff. You effed up, you paid for it and he called you out. He was a great coach & I could never fathom him apologizing for something like that.
 
I was out-bid for him and to settle for his backup Carter. :hophead:
Carter looked bad against what has been a bad rush defense, but 18 carries, 5 catches and a 1 inch TD run is a nice FF day. Started him out of desperation and desperation won for once.

I’ve changed my mind and i’m zigging while everybody is zagging again. If Coach Gannon has eyes and they’re done seeing red, then I really don’t see how he either doesn’t got outsdide the organization or ask Emari to start.

I remember Michael Carter when he played on the Jets. His rise was short-lived and I wasn’t a fan.

I have them both rostered and will continue to have them both, at least for another week. Carter is fine and Demercado made a bone head play, but the game script was perfect for the first 3 quarters and they lost. Curious how this looks the next two weeks vs. IND and GB. Likely not good for either of them, but it's worth waiting a week to find out.
 
To send a message that you don't stand by your players when you make, admittedly very bad, errors and compile the pressure on all the other peripheral squad players?
Not all mistakes are created equal. This was not an error based on effort or just not getting the job done. This was 100% avoidable and an error of "look at me" variety. It's definitely a fire-able offense. It's not something that puts any pressure on "all the other peripheral squad players".
 
I was out-bid for him and to settle for his backup Carter. :hophead:
Carter looked bad against what has been a bad rush defense, but 18 carries, 5 catches and a 1 inch TD run is a nice FF day. Started him out of desperation and desperation won for once.

I’ve changed my mind and i’m zigging while everybody is zagging again. If Coach Gannon has eyes and they’re done seeing red, then I really don’t see how he either doesn’t got outsdide the organization or ask Emari to start.

I remember Michael Carter when he played on the Jets. His rise was short-lived and I wasn’t a fan.

I have them both rostered and will continue to have them both, at least for another week. Carter is fine and Demercado made a bone head play, but the game script was perfect for the first 3 quarters and they lost. Curious how this looks the next two weeks vs. IND and GB. Likely not good for either of them, but it's worth waiting a week to find out.

Oh, that doesn’t sound very good. Tough teams. I have Carter when most people were grabbing Demercado but I’m not thrilled or sanguine about Carter keeping the job barely averaging three a carry. I remembered he was small, but it’s been actually him in the league for a while and he looks ever smaller and not as fast as he needs to be.
 
I gotta post this here

 
Today's film room on repeat:
Don't be Emari Holliday

In all seriousness, every coach for every team, in every sport, at all levels, should play this clip before every game. Then say, if ANYONE does this, you will automatically be cut, and I will make it my life's mission to make sure you never play in this league again. I assume that would at least cut down on stuff like this.
I am a fan of you on these boards. I appreciate your posts. I'm also not entirely disagreeing with your take on this one either. It was dumb. Yep. Careless. When I watch it though, it's not like he did a back flip into the endzone or a cart wheel. I didn't feel he was showboating in this super excessive way that we don't see all NFL players do. He just seemed like a kid who has played 27 games and has only scored 3 times. Excited. He then dropped to his knees almost rejoiceful. Joy. Unprofessional considering the massive mistake for sure. Fine him a 100 grand for that? Cut him? Physical abuse? Ha ha. Little much for me. Gonna be hard for him step out of the stigma of that mistake. Prolly never will. That big dude looked fifty times more explosive than Carter. This is all my opinion and I reserve the right to change this opinion through gold
 
Today's film room on repeat:
Don't be Emari Holliday

In all seriousness, every coach for every team, in every sport, at all levels, should play this clip before every game. Then say, if ANYONE does this, you will automatically be cut, and I will make it my life's mission to make sure you never play in this league again. I assume that would at least cut down on stuff like this.
I am a fan of you on these boards. I appreciate your posts. I'm also not entirely disagreeing with your take on this one either. It was dumb. Yep. Careless. When I watch it though, it's not like he did a back flip into the endzone or a cart wheel. I didn't feel he was showboating in this super excessive way that we don't see all NFL players do. He just seemed like a kid who has played 27 games and has only scored 3 times. Excited. He then dropped to his knees almost rejoiceful. Joy. Unprofessional considering the massive mistake for sure. Fine him a 100 grand for that? Cut him? Physical abuse? Ha ha. Little much for me. Gonna be hard for him step out of the stigma of that mistake. Prolly never will. That big dude looked fifty times more explosive than Carter. This is all my opinion and I reserve the right to change this opinion through gold
I tend to exaggerate quite a bit when typing. No, I don't think he should be cut. I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine. And him dropping the ball before crossing the line wasn't an act of someone who had a momentary lapse - it is learned behavior and he wanted to be cool. I would rather he done a flip or cartwheel after crossing into the end zone. At least with that, there is 0% chance points get taken off the board.

Lemme ask you this - If he ever does that again and you were his coach, what would you do?
 
Lemme ask you this - If he ever does that again and you were his coach, what would you do?
Boy. Now that's a legit question. I don't know this guy personally, but id assume this incident has humbled him a lot. He has to be embarrasses. His blunder is everywhere. Once again, I don't know him, but I'd assume it won't happen again. Say it did happen again. Say I was the coach. Immediately during the post game press conference id announce him as inactive for the next game and site he needs to rethink his professional maturity. It would then be fair to start hitting him financially I think. I think. Ha ha
 
Lemme ask you this - If he ever does that again and you were his coach, what would you do?
Boy. Now that's a legit question. I don't know this guy personally, but id assume this incident has humbled him a lot. He has to be embarrasses. His blunder is everywhere. Once again, I don't know him, but I'd assume it won't happen again. Say it did happen again. Say I was the coach. Immediately during the post game press conference id announce him as inactive for the next game and site he needs to rethink his professional maturity. It would then be fair to start hitting him financially I think. I think. Ha ha
This is why Forrest Gump is the GOAT. He carried that ball all the way to the locker room!
 
I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine.

Bro, no. He maybe clears $500,000 after taxes. That’s a hopeful estimate. It’s pretty obvious what I think of Emari’s play upthread. I dislike it more than your average bear because i remember the personality and reasoning of the surly guy that often hung with gangbangers who introduced it the NFL and screwed it up in fantastic fashion himself.

I do not think Emari even remotely approaches coming from that culture. He had a terrible moment.

There’s no way a young man who just bought a place to live in AZ and is a third-string RB in the NFL should pay $100,000 to be treated like that.

As far as Gannon’s behavior goes, I’m not going to completely crap on the guy, but I have never been a big fan. I’m no Philly guy, but i do think Philly fans have a somewhat legit gripe about the defense and the first Mahomes Super Bowl. But then all I can think of is their pass rush, how good it was, and how Philly was ice skating all day and night on the Arizona sod. So that’s colorable and their performance wasn’t necessarily Gannon’s fault. The NFL ruined Philly's big advantage (LOL Philly u slip). .

But no, Emari’s not paying that fine, man. Gannon should have kept his cool, and if he knew then that it would be as detrimental to the team as it turned out, then he should have calmly cut him after the game. I think that’s appropriate. Sideline fulminating is bad for your own team. Cut him after, or even right then, but do it with dignity, shake his hand, and wish the young man luck.
 
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I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine.

Bro, no. He maybe clears $500,000 after taxes. That’s a hopeful estimate. It’s pretty obvious what I think of Emari’s play upthread. I dislike it more than your average bear because i remember the personality and reasoning of the surly guy that often hung with gangbangers who introduced it the NFL and screwed it up in fantastic fashion himself.

I do not think Emari even remotely approaches coming from that culture. He had a terrible moment.

There’s no way a young man who just bought a place to live in AZ and is a third-string RB in the NFL should pay $100,000 to be treated like that.

As far as Gannon’s behavior goes, I’m not going to completely crap on the guy, but I have never been a big fan. I’m no Philly guy, but i do think Philly fans have a somewhat legit gripe about the defense and the first Mahomes Super Bowl. But then all I can think of is their pass rush, how good it was, and how Philly was ice skating all day and night on the Arizona sod. So that’s colorable.

But no, Emari’s not paying that fine, man. Gannon should have kept his cool, and if he knew then that it would be as detrimental to the team as it turned out, then he should have calmly cut him after the game. I think that’s appropriate. Sideline fulminating is bad for your own team. Cut him after, or even right then, but do it with dignity, shake his hand, and wish the young man luck.
Question - Do you think Emari would've dropped that ball early if knew for a fact he would be kicked out of the league forever if he fumbled?

 
I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine.

Bro, no. He maybe clears $500,000 after taxes. That’s a hopeful estimate. It’s pretty obvious what I think of Emari’s play upthread. I dislike it more than your average bear because i remember the personality and reasoning of the surly guy that often hung with gangbangers who introduced it the NFL and screwed it up in fantastic fashion himself.

I do not think Emari even remotely approaches coming from that culture. He had a terrible moment.

There’s no way a young man who just bought a place to live in AZ and is a third-string RB in the NFL should pay $100,000 to be treated like that.

As far as Gannon’s behavior goes, I’m not going to completely crap on the guy, but I have never been a big fan. I’m no Philly guy, but i do think Philly fans have a somewhat legit gripe about the defense and the first Mahomes Super Bowl. But then all I can think of is their pass rush, how good it was, and how Philly was ice skating all day and night on the Arizona sod. So that’s colorable.

But no, Emari’s not paying that fine, man. Gannon should have kept his cool, and if he knew then that it would be as detrimental to the team as it turned out, then he should have calmly cut him after the game. I think that’s appropriate. Sideline fulminating is bad for your own team. Cut him after, or even right then, but do it with dignity, shake his hand, and wish the young man luck.
Question - Do you think Emari would've dropped that ball early if knew for a fact he would be kicked out of the league forever if he fumbled?


Wait, wait. Before we get into the weeds bout this. Did you see who fined Gannon?

Read it really carefully.

Holy ****. I totally have been doing stuff and missed it. Check it again. Wow. That is something else.

Wat? I don’t even know what to make of that. What are they trying to say? Oh, keep your head on a swivel, bra.
 
I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine.

Bro, no. He maybe clears $500,000 after taxes. That’s a hopeful estimate. It’s pretty obvious what I think of Emari’s play upthread. I dislike it more than your average bear because i remember the personality and reasoning of the surly guy that often hung with gangbangers who introduced it the NFL and screwed it up in fantastic fashion himself.

I do not think Emari even remotely approaches coming from that culture. He had a terrible moment.

There’s no way a young man who just bought a place to live in AZ and is a third-string RB in the NFL should pay $100,000 to be treated like that.

As far as Gannon’s behavior goes, I’m not going to completely crap on the guy, but I have never been a big fan. I’m no Philly guy, but i do think Philly fans have a somewhat legit gripe about the defense and the first Mahomes Super Bowl. But then all I can think of is their pass rush, how good it was, and how Philly was ice skating all day and night on the Arizona sod. So that’s colorable.

But no, Emari’s not paying that fine, man. Gannon should have kept his cool, and if he knew then that it would be as detrimental to the team as it turned out, then he should have calmly cut him after the game. I think that’s appropriate. Sideline fulminating is bad for your own team. Cut him after, or even right then, but do it with dignity, shake his hand, and wish the young man luck.
Question - Do you think Emari would've dropped that ball early if knew for a fact he would be kicked out of the league forever if he fumbled?


Wait, wait. Before we get into the weeds bout this. Did you see who fined Gannon?

Read it really carefully.

Holy ****. I totally have been doing stuff and missed it. Check it again. Wow. That is something else.

Wat? I don’t even know what to make of that. What are they trying to say? Oh, keep your head on a swivel, bra.
Yowza! I had no idea either!
 
I do think he should volunteer to pay for Gannon's fine.

Bro, no. He maybe clears $500,000 after taxes. That’s a hopeful estimate. It’s pretty obvious what I think of Emari’s play upthread. I dislike it more than your average bear because i remember the personality and reasoning of the surly guy that often hung with gangbangers who introduced it the NFL and screwed it up in fantastic fashion himself.

I do not think Emari even remotely approaches coming from that culture. He had a terrible moment.

There’s no way a young man who just bought a place to live in AZ and is a third-string RB in the NFL should pay $100,000 to be treated like that.

As far as Gannon’s behavior goes, I’m not going to completely crap on the guy, but I have never been a big fan. I’m no Philly guy, but i do think Philly fans have a somewhat legit gripe about the defense and the first Mahomes Super Bowl. But then all I can think of is their pass rush, how good it was, and how Philly was ice skating all day and night on the Arizona sod. So that’s colorable.

But no, Emari’s not paying that fine, man. Gannon should have kept his cool, and if he knew then that it would be as detrimental to the team as it turned out, then he should have calmly cut him after the game. I think that’s appropriate. Sideline fulminating is bad for your own team. Cut him after, or even right then, but do it with dignity, shake his hand, and wish the young man luck.
Question - Do you think Emari would've dropped that ball early if knew for a fact he would be kicked out of the league forever if he fumbled?


Wait, wait. Before we get into the weeds bout this. Did you see who fined Gannon?

Read it really carefully.

Holy ****. I totally have been doing stuff and missed it. Check it again. Wow. That is something else.

Wat? I don’t even know what to make of that. What are they trying to say? Oh, keep your head on a swivel, bra.
Yowza! I had no idea either!

Yeah. Crazy. Either Schefter Tweeted it out wrong or others did the same thing we did and weren’t paying attention. But there’s a lot of assumptions being made either way. I think that’s a pretty clear message but I’m not sure I like an employer docking that amount.
 
I am almost 60 years old. When I was about 10, I was playing wiffle ball across from my house in a field. My friend hit a foul ball that went across the street. I ran directly across the street without looking, almost got hit by a car, and my dad saw the whole thing, as he was painting our house. In front of all my friends, he climbed down that ladder and spanked the crap out of me. I cried like a baby, both from the pain and the embarrassment of getting whaled on in front of my friends. I never called CPS, and I never ran into traffic again. I miss those days, and I never held a grudge against my dad. I deserved it.

I wonder - if Emari was Gannon's son, would the hit have been justified?
 
Today's film room on repeat:
Don't be Emari Holliday

In all seriousness, every coach for every team, in every sport, at all levels, should play this clip before every game. Then say, if ANYONE does this, you will automatically be cut, and I will make it my life's mission to make sure you never play in this league again. I assume that would at least cut down on stuff like this.
I haven’t seen the play yet, but if dropping the ball wasn’t a result of fighting for yards and wasn’t a celebration, but an accident, then Gannon was out of line. But if it was celebrating before scoring he shouldn’t have been fined 100K and players shouldn’t have been consoling Demercado. Again, I haven’t watched it, so you guys know better than I do.
 
If I was the in charge of the Cardinals I would incident and him hitting Demarcado in the chest as an excuse to fire him with cause because the coach isn't going to last. Then I would cut Demarcado at the end of the year.
 
I am almost 60 years old.
Okay. Age checks out and ChatGpt says most Little House and the Prairie fans would respond as you have. Ha ha. FYI I'm 50, so also quite old. After the age poll I just assume everyone here is old as crap screaming get off my lawn. Think Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino. Ha ha

Take this kids money!!! Ban him from all family functions!!
 
I am almost 60 years old.
Okay. Age checks out and ChatGpt says most Little House and the Prairie fans would respond as you have. Ha ha. FYI I'm 50, so also quite old. After the age poll I just assume everyone here is old as crap screaming get off my lawn. Think Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino. Ha ha

Take this kids money!!! Ban him from all family functions!!
I have kids older than you, whippersnapper, and while I agree it was a stupid fumble, I also can't help but notice that it came AFTER he broke a 72-yard run. Meanwhile, Carter averaged 2.8 yards on his 18 carries. It seems to me that Arizona just might want to think about actually using the guy who can do more than take one step and fall down. On the other hand, maybe the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face" has some appeal to them.
 
I have kids older than you, whippersnapper, and while I agree it was a stupid fumble, I also can't help but notice that it came AFTER he broke a 72-yard run. Meanwhile, Carter averaged 2.8 yards on his 18 carries. It seems to me that Arizona just might want to think about actually using the guy who can do more than take one step and fall down. On the other hand, maybe the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face" has some appeal to them.
Slow it down gramps. Ha ha. That's always been kinda my point. On that run he looked like a truck and was pulling away from the secondary, while Carter looked horribly slow to me. Gonna be interesting how they play this. If Emari, in private conversations is 100% believable and truly feels horrible what do you do as a coach? Simply take your fine and move on? Decide you absolutely need to start winning. Then watch film. You'll realize quickly that Carter is gonna get you 2 yards a carry with no burst, while Emari had kinda shown he has a little burst. For us fantasy nerds, even with byes I don't see how u can start either this week. Imo
 
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I am almost 60 years old. When I was about 10, I was playing wiffle ball across from my house in a field. My friend hit a foul ball that went across the street. I ran directly across the street without looking, almost got hit by a car, and my dad saw the whole thing, as he was painting our house. In front of all my friends, he climbed down that ladder and spanked the crap out of me. I cried like a baby, both from the pain and the embarrassment of getting whaled on in front of my friends. I never called CPS, and I never ran into traffic again. I miss those days, and I never held a grudge against my dad. I deserved it.

I wonder - if Emari was Gannon's son, would the hit have been justified?

I’m really glad I didn’t have children so I didn’t have that ethical question to ask myself. I said this in another forum because what I’d like to see is character built not through emotive and angry displays that hint at violence, but instead with a demeanor that conveys stern disapproval but is also calm enough for the recipient to contemplate the message rather than feeling just fear or reprisal.

This is what I wrote

“I don’t think you’re soft nor Gannon appropriate. That everybody wants to emulate DeSean is evidence we stopped: 1) extolling humility, and 2) dissuading peacocking. That requires social conditions we failed to reward and thereby ruined. Fathers firmly reinforcing virtue.”
 
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. Meanwhile, Carter averaged 2.8 yards on his 18 carries. It seems to me that Arizona just might want to think about actually using the guy who can do more than take one step and fall down. On the other hand, maybe the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face" has some appeal to them.

I think it’s why he wasn’t cut immediately. I roster Carter, and I know all three backs pretty well. Neither Bam Knight nor Carter are as good as Demercado can be, but Emari has to want it when he runs inside and between the tackles. I don’t know if I’ve seen that from him, and I follow this a bit (I’ve rostered Emari on and off for two years), so we will see. D’Ernest Johnson and Jermar Jefferson, formerly of Oregon State, are both on their practice squad.

2.8 yards per carry, or whatever it was (even if YPC is an imperfect measurement), will not cut it in the pros for more than two games. Carter will be phased out if that keeps up.
 
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I haven’t seen the play yet, but if dropping the ball wasn’t a result of fighting for yards and wasn’t a celebration, but an accident, then Gannon was out of line. But if it was celebrating before scoring he shouldn’t have been fined 100K and players shouldn’t have been consoling Demercado.
he broke clear at the LOS and nobody was deep for Tennessee. He basically broke through the LOS and was gone. He started slowing down inside the 10 yd line (so much so a DB almost caught up to him) and then he dropped the ball a split second before the goaline (I am still not sure there was enough video evidence to overturn the TD call on the field). So while it wasn't an overt showboating celebration it wasn't an accident either (not like Adonai the week before that accidentally dropped the ball). He purposely dropped the ball a skosh too soon (for no apparent reason).
 
Got to keep your hands to yourself. If a coach puts his hands on a player that's grounds for the player to put his hands on the coach and then how would everyone see it?

At whatever rate for fantasy purposes how about this wild take I got, and I really believe it to. I think he's going to make amends by giving Emari the rock a little more then he would otherwise.

And in case anyone is wondering I went banana's outbidding people for Michael Carter last week, did not add Emari, had very minor interest in him. When he fumbled my first thought frankly was "good", this should put him more in the doghouse. If it ended there I'd still feel that way but Gannon has to make up for this with some actions, not just to Emari, but to the team who I got a feeling did not care for how he handled it.
 
Is he worth holding on to with Carter seemingly getting a lot of the work?
I own one share of Emari and I have no problem cutting bait. Having said that, at this point he is a minimum one week hold. Why? Carter had 18 carries for 42 yards and thats pretty much what u can expect from him, which leaves the door open for a change. Who knows how this plays out. Selfishly as a Benson owner it keeps going this way and he returns to be lead back.
 
This guy is as expendable as it gets in the NFL. He's a 4th string RB for ARI. After the top 2 RBs go down they sign Michael Carter and he immediately wins the starting job over Demercado. I would have cut him by now.
 
So is he in the doghouse now or what? Is he worth holding on to with Carter seemingly getting a lot of the work?
I think he gets another chance and will be the one to own out of him/Carter/Knight. He's definitely has the best juice out of the 3 and is the best pass catcher IMO. He's a hold for one more week to see how it shakes out.
 

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