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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (1 Viewer)

Anyone besides me feel someone could sweep in anytime and take his job?
I took him in 4th round in 4 out of my 5 leagues and was one of the first in here talking him up - because Rutgers is local and my bosses favorite team, so I watch them a few times a year. With that said I’ve moved him in one and have tried like heck in a few others because I agree (and apparently most do).

He’s fast for his size and runs hard but in one of the best situations in the league he looked solid and mostly unspectacular. I think it’s practically inevitable he gets Michael Carter-ed in this draft.
When I went after fields, after the fact a couple of the other owners asked me why I included Pacheco, as they both believed 2x 1sts was enough.

I said it was a pot-sweetener - he was a 5th rounder for me, largely based on shark tankers like you & @rockaction. I figured he might put it over the top without losing too much

To those trying to deal him, I’d recommend including in a package disguised as an overpay.
 
Anyone besides me feel someone could sweep in anytime and take his job?
I took him in 4th round in 4 out of my 5 leagues and was one of the first in here talking him up - because Rutgers is local and my bosses favorite team, so I watch them a few times a year. With that said I’ve moved him in one and have tried like heck in a few others because I agree (and apparently most do).

He’s fast for his size and runs hard but in one of the best situations in the league he looked solid and mostly unspectacular. I think it’s practically inevitable he gets Michael Carter-ed in this draft.
Mostly agree, but they'd have to use a high pick (no sense duplicating what they have already) and I don't see that happening. Last year, I thought he'd disappear into the background, too, but he's getting the touches. So, I get it. I feel it. Haven't actually seen it. (BTW, the back they need is Hunt, but that can't happen.)
 
Anyone besides me feel someone could sweep in anytime and take his job?
I took him in 4th round in 4 out of my 5 leagues and was one of the first in here talking him up - because Rutgers is local and my bosses favorite team, so I watch them a few times a year. With that said I’ve moved him in one and have tried like heck in a few others because I agree (and apparently most do).

He’s fast for his size and runs hard but in one of the best situations in the league he looked solid and mostly unspectacular. I think it’s practically inevitable he gets Michael Carter-ed in this draft.
Mostly agree, but they'd have to use a high pick (no sense duplicating what they have already) and I don't see that happening. Last year, I thought he'd disappear into the background, too, but he's getting the touches. So, I get it. I feel it. Haven't actually seen it. (BTW, the back they need is Hunt, but that can't happen.)
Pacheco was a 7th round pick. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a high pick to put Pacheco in danger of losing snaps - but I also wouldn’t rule out a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
 
Survives days 1 & 2. No doubt they take someone with their remaining picks (or sign an FA/McKinnon) but it looks pretty good for Pacheco right now. If Pacheco works hard and shows growth (especially patience behind the line) he has potential to see a nice uptick in production.
I had him in 4 leagues. Tried trading him away and was only successful in 2. I don’t regret those trades but now I feel better where I failed to trade him. He’s not home free but maybe Reid really does like him as much as he claims.
 
Survives days 1 & 2. No doubt they take someone with their remaining picks (or sign an FA/McKinnon) but it looks pretty good for Pacheco right now. If Pacheco works hard and shows growth (especially patience behind the line) he has potential to see a nice uptick in production.
I had him in 4 leagues. Tried trading him away and was only successful in 2. I don’t regret those trades but now I feel better where I failed to trade him. He’s not home free but maybe Reid really does like him as much as he claims.
His owners will never be comfortable with him long term. Being a 7th round pick, there will always be a threat of replacement, unless he makes it where the Chiefs can't take him off the field.
 
Survives days 1 & 2. No doubt they take someone with their remaining picks (or sign an FA/McKinnon) but it looks pretty good for Pacheco right now. If Pacheco works hard and shows growth (especially patience behind the line) he has potential to see a nice uptick in production.
I had him in 4 leagues. Tried trading him away and was only successful in 2. I don’t regret those trades but now I feel better where I failed to trade him. He’s not home free but maybe Reid really does like him as much as he claims.
His owners will never be comfortable with him long term. Being a 7th round pick, there will always be a threat of replacement, unless he makes it where the Chiefs can't take him off the field.
This is certainly true, but so far it is looking good. Even if he is 1A for this coming year it would be a win for those that roster him (and possibly present an opportunity to sell higher).
 
Survives days 1 & 2. No doubt they take someone with their remaining picks (or sign an FA/McKinnon) but it looks pretty good for Pacheco right now. If Pacheco works hard and shows growth (especially patience behind the line) he has potential to see a nice uptick in production.
Huge W for Pacheco
Yep - unfortunately I dealt him away.

Still has to dodge a FA signing or trade, but the Chiefs not drafting a back has to be a win for Pacheco.
 

Chiefs HC Andy Reid said Isiah Pacheco (hand/shoulder) is doing well after two offseason surgeries.​

Pacheco reportedly underwent surgeries to repair a broken hand and a torn labrum that he dealt with for the majority of last season. The second-year running back is heading into this season as the perceived RB1 in Kansas City's offense after going for 170-830-5 in his rookie season. Pacheco saw double-digit carries just twice through the first nine weeks of the season but handled 55 percent of the team's rush attempts from Week 10, and on. The Chiefs aren't placing a timeline on when Pacheco could return to the field, but it sounds like he's trending in the right direction at this point in the offseason.
SOURCE: Pete Sweeney on Twitter
May 8, 2023, 2:39 PM ET
 
He's a great guy to hold if you have 2+ guys ahead of him. Not like that. Interesting that he dealt with those during the season and played through them. I wonder if the shoulder kept him out of the passing game. The scouting I'd read suggested he'd be OK in the passing game and he was getting those reps in camp last year.

He'd have to get the passing down work to be any more than a mid pack RB2 at best. A lot of the TDs get schemed up for the other guys.

I don't play "standard" format but he's probably a few spots higher. I'm all ppr so he's just a RB3/Flex in my mind, depth if one of my other dudes goes down or a passable bye week filler. McKinnon on the other hand blew up a few times. Guess we'll have to see if CEH is given any kind of workload. If they split the touches in any kind of meaningful 3 way committee, yikes.
 
He's a great guy to hold if you have 2+ guys ahead of him. Not like that. Interesting that he dealt with those during the season and played through them. I wonder if the shoulder kept him out of the passing game. The scouting I'd read suggested he'd be OK in the passing game and he was getting those reps in camp last year.

He'd have to get the passing down work to be any more than a mid pack RB2 at best. A lot of the TDs get schemed up for the other guys.

I don't play "standard" format but he's probably a few spots higher. I'm all ppr so he's just a RB3/Flex in my mind, depth if one of my other dudes goes down or a passable bye week filler. McKinnon on the other hand blew up a few times. Guess we'll have to see if CEH is given any kind of workload. If they split the touches in any kind of meaningful 3 way committee, yikes.
Agree.

He's better in standard but did seem to profile as at least an average receiver. It may be a case where KC is a SB tea and thus was always playing it slow with the rookie, adding a little more as the season went on but never asking too much of him- which is a logical approach given the quality of the team and the low investment in Pacheco. KC does come into the year with the weakest group of offensive playmakers that Mahomes has ever had. They might need to as Pacheco to do more in 2023.
 
Maybe its just me, but Pacheco feels like a really risky player to me. I think he has zero 3 down potential (fully would expect CEH to take over 3rd downs if something happened to McKinnon) and just feels a little like someone expected to breakout just because, "he's young so surely he'll get better"

His current ADP (I know its May, but I don't expect his to go down) is 55th overall, which feels about 3 rounds higher than I'd want him. I'd be taking guys like James Cook or Devon Achane over him in redraft.
 
Maybe its just me, but Pacheco feels like a really risky player to me. I think he has zero 3 down potential (fully would expect CEH to take over 3rd downs if something happened to McKinnon) and just feels a little like someone expected to breakout just because, "he's young so surely he'll get better"

His current ADP (I know its May, but I don't expect his to go down) is 55th overall, which feels about 3 rounds higher than I'd want him. I'd be taking guys like James Cook or Devon Achane over him in redraft.
Agreed on all counts.

Also, shhhh, they took another late rookie RB this year who looks like he might be something.
 
Maybe its just me, but Pacheco feels like a really risky player to me. I think he has zero 3 down potential (fully would expect CEH to take over 3rd downs if something happened to McKinnon) and just feels a little like someone expected to breakout just because, "he's young so surely he'll get better"

His current ADP (I know its May, but I don't expect his to go down) is 55th overall, which feels about 3 rounds higher than I'd want him. I'd be taking guys like James Cook or Devon Achane over him in redraft.
Passing game scouting that I've read:
Blocking: Below average grade, mid pack of class, but also ability to improve technique.
Routes: Below average grade, mid pack of class
Receiving: Above average (top 6 of his class)

In the class recap, he highlights groups of players that have potential for specific roles. Pacheco is mentioned as one of the backs with the ability to be a 3rd down specialist- ca

Hopefully not too much of an issue to clip a little bit.. and feel free to let me know if doing this kind of thing is a faux pas.

Pacheco also takes contact to his shoulders and chest as he begins his transition immediately after securing the ball with his hands. He high-points and snatches targets above his head with a suddenness and precision and he adjusts low and away to dig out targets below his knees.

I agree with the consensus that he's not seemingly being tapped for that role in KC. And that the depth they do have at RB in McKinnon and CEH have pass catching roles pretty well covered. Just think that writing him off as someone that didn't have the ability to expand his role there is also not correct from what I've read. So in my mind it's totally possible that his role does grow such that the plays he's in are less predictable. He's not a workhorse or Eke type back profile but he's definitely a guy who's underlying skillset could up as a 3+ target per game guy, raising his ceiling a touch.

In terms of ADP, I think we might be on the same page but I haven't done any of my season long work so no idea where I'll have him ranked. Clay has him RB25 which seems maybe a spot high but again, I'll probably do my projections and see where things lie.
 
Also, shhhh, they took another late rookie RB this year who looks like he might be something.
I must be missing something as the Chiefs did not draft a RB this year.
Sorry, they signed him as a FA after the draft.

Deneric Prince
6’, 219



 
Pacheco has a higher BMI than Prince. He’s 215 and was being trusted in the Super Bowl. I am not too worried about an undrafted RB.
CEH owners weren’t too worried about 7th round Pacheco, either.

I’m just sayin - he’s a name to keep an eye on.
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
Sure. Sounds a lot like Pacheco.
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
Sure. Sounds a lot like Pacheco.
Exactly.
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
Sure. Sounds a lot like Pacheco.
Exactly.
Except they already have a Pacheco. Last year they didn't. I mean anything can happen but it be very surprising if the UDFA surpassed his more dense, more explosive playoff seasoned counterpart
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
Sure. Sounds a lot like Pacheco.
Exactly.
Except they already have a Pacheco. Last year they didn't. I mean anything can happen but it be very surprising if the UDFA surpassed his more dense, more explosive playoff seasoned counterpart
Life is full of surprises my friend.

I’m not saying he’s gonna take over for Pacheco. But if he makes the team, and has a role, he could get some snaps.

Pacheco can’t really afford to lose any.
 
I think CEH owners were very worried about the backfield last year. Maybe not Pacecho specifically but it was clear he was a sinking ship.
We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Deneric gets a meaningful role in that offense. They paid him like a player who has a chance to contribute at least.

From what I’ve read he’s a hard worker and a high character guy.

4.4 40 at 218 is pretty good. High athletic score.

And he plays special teams. Probably wouldn’t be hard to unseat Skyy as a KR/PR.
Sure. Sounds a lot like Pacheco.
Exactly.
Except they already have a Pacheco. Last year they didn't. I mean anything can happen but it be very surprising if the UDFA surpassed his more dense, more explosive playoff seasoned counterpart
Life is full of surprises my friend.

I’m not saying he’s gonna take over for Pacheco. But if he makes the team, and has a role, he could get some snaps.

Pacheco can’t really afford to lose any.
That's very true
 
Talk that he may start on the PUP between a broken hand and shoulder (labrum) injury. Didn't know if that was mentioned upstream, but maybe some extra value in McKinnon/CEH late in drafts.
 
Talk that he may start on the PUP between a broken hand and shoulder (labrum) injury. Didn't know if that was mentioned upstream, but maybe some extra value in McKinnon/CEH late in drafts.
Yeah I don’t love that for him. At least they should be the types of injuries that fully heal and don’t cause any performance concer for the year. Much better than dealing with a lower body muscle or joint.
 
Talk that he may start on the PUP between a broken hand and shoulder (labrum) injury.
When did those things happen? It also could be that he'll start the preseason on the PUP (which is a totally different thing).
During last season. He had shoulder surgery after the SB. A doctor I saw said even if he’s on the latest end of the typical recovery, that’s still mid August and RBs return without any dip in production or concern for re-injury.
 
Talk that he may start on the PUP between a broken hand and shoulder (labrum) injury.
When did those things happen? It also could be that he'll start the preseason on the PUP (which is a totally different thing).
During last season. He had shoulder surgery after the SB. A doctor I saw said even if he’s on the latest end of the typical recovery, that’s still mid August and RBs return without any dip in production or concern for re-injury.
I'm thinking what jm read was probably about preseason PUP - which many players coming off injuries start out on. He could return anytime if placed on that.


A player that is on the preseason PUP list may participate in team meetings and use their team's medical and training facilities, but they are not allowed to participate in team practices. It is important to remember that there are two separate PUP lists: the preseason PUP List and the regular season PUP List.
 
Any updates on him? I think he will be even more involved in the passing game this year as he has earned more trust, and definitely has the skill set.
 
Any updates on him? I think he will be even more involved in the passing game this year as he has earned more trust, and definitely has the skill set.
He's not going to be ready for the beginning of camp. Not much news other than that, but I would keep an eye on this situation.

And Deneric Prince has a little buzz right now going into camp. Not much - but another guy to keep an eye on.
 
Chiefs RB Isiah Pacheco (hand/labrum) was seen practicing in training camp Wednesday.
The Athletic reported this week that Pacheco, who sustained hand and labrum injuries late last season, was iffy for the start of the regular season. His participation in training camp would seem to be a good sign even if he doesn’t get much (or any) run in the preseason. Pacheco was reportedly wearing a yellow vest usually reserved for quarterbacks, meaning Chiefs players were not to make contact with the injured back. Pacheco emerged as Kansas City’s lead back in the final month of the regular season and could resume those duties in the pass-heavy Chiefs offense once he’s fully recovered. Jerick McKinnon will likely continue as the team’s primary pass-catching back.
 
Just saw a video of Pacheco running down a hill to practice looking spry and fresh as a daisy.

I think he'll be fine.
 
Chiefs RB Isiah Pacheco said he’ll “absolutely” be ready for Week 1.
After sustaining hand and labrum injuries in the AFC Championship game last January, Pacheco has been described by coaches and beat writers as iffy to start the regular season. He’s practiced during KC’s training camp, however, and insists he’ll be ready to go when the Chiefs take on the Lions in Week 1. Pacheco should maintain his early-down role for the pass-heavy Chiefs offense, making him a solid RB2 with some touchdown upside.
 
Pete Sweeney @pgsween
It's been all eyes on RB Isiah Pacheco these first two days, and as I said Wednesday, the only way you could possibly tell he is injured is by the yellow non-contact jersey he is wearing. For the second day in a row, he was moving well.
Isiah Pacheco going through drills Thursday twitter.com/i/web/status/1…

 
The Athletic’s Nate Taylor confirms Isiah Pacheco is “expected to be the (Chiefs’) starter and handle an increased workload.”

Taylor also confirms Pacheco “appears to be ahead of the team’s recovery timetable” as he rehabs shoulder and hand surgeries. To the press corps’ surprise, Pacheco was already practicing this week, saying he feels great and will “absolutely” be ready for Week 1. Pacheco has said he is working to become a more reliable pass catcher. Becoming an actual receiving threat would have Pacheco flirting with RB1 status. For now, he belongs in the RB18-24 range as he completes his recovery and vies with Jerick McKinnon for passing-game work.
 
The Athletic’s Nate Taylor confirms Isiah Pacheco is “expected to be the (Chiefs’) starter and handle an increased workload.”

Taylor also confirms Pacheco “appears to be ahead of the team’s recovery timetable” as he rehabs shoulder and hand surgeries. To the press corps’ surprise, Pacheco was already practicing this week, saying he feels great and will “absolutely” be ready for Week 1. Pacheco has said he is working to become a more reliable pass catcher. Becoming an actual receiving threat would have Pacheco flirting with RB1 status. For now, he belongs in the RB18-24 range as he completes his recovery and vies with Jerick McKinnon for passing-game work.
You gotta love Pachecho. I think he catches 30-40 balls this year as they incorporate him even more into the offense. He is too big of a playmaker. Can take it to the house on any play, and Oddly enough he never did last year. He will this year for a 50+ yd TD run
 
NFL Network’s James Palmer said Isiah Pacheco (shoulder) could be cleared for contact by August 20th.
Pacheco was dealing with a shoulder and hand injury heading into training camp, but according to Palmer, Pacheco’s hand is good to go. Assuming all goes well with his recovery in the coming weeks, it sounds like Pacheco could be cleared in time for the Chiefs’ third preseason game, which should put him on track to be ready for Week 1’s matchup against the Lions. Pacheco has mid-RB2 upside heading into this season, but could raise his ceiling if he’s able to secure more work in the passing game.
 
I hate him missing this much time in what’s really his first camp with a shot to take over a huge role. Could set him back but we shall see. Luckily his competition isn’t stiff.
 
I hate him missing this much time in what’s really his first camp with a shot to take over a huge role. Could set him back but we shall see. Luckily his competition isn’t stiff.
The issue may be the more time he misses, the more likely KC may be to add a Fournette or Zeke.
 

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