RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (3 Viewers)

[DeaLerZ]

there seemed to be a transition last game vs. the first 3 games. Pacheco got some garbage carries week one, then sporadic carries weeks 2 and 3. Then last game he got more carries, earlier in the game and looked better than CEH side by side. Then at halftime Rodney Harrison said that Pacheco was better and he should be the starter. I then yelled at the tv for Rodney to shut up until I could pick him up off waivers.

lol exactly.. and Chris Collinsworth said something like "When speaking with Andy Reid you get the feeling from the Chiefs that Pacheco is a secret weapon that they are about to unleash".

Week 4 - Every run for Pacheco

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thanks for that....running for 5.7 ypc v. the stout TB defense is even more impressive. It wasn't just one big run either...he was consistently running for 6-9 yards. He also ran for 1 more ypc than CEH. CEH isn't going away but now it's looking like Pacheco is getting more touches...only downside is that he gets nothing receiving wise as that all goes to Mckinnon / CEH. If CEH goes down like Monty did a couple weeks ago Pacheco could be a league winner.

Yea definitely, and on 2 or 3 of these carries for a split second I thought he was gone. A breakaway run is coming soon

 

[Faust]

Peter Schrager gushes about Chiefs Isiah Pacheco: 'he's been lights out'

 

[Faust]

Chiefs special teams film review, Week 4: Isiah Pacheco's got the juice

 

[Scooby1974]

Love the press he is getting. On my bench in one league and on the FA list in another...but shallow bench league in #2. I'd love to see him hop CEH but I think it may take an injury to turn him into a RB2.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Patience is slowly being rewarded for owners of Pickens and Pacheco. Both showing signs of (elite) life all of a sudden. Let's see if they can build on the momentum...

Gotta love the nature of fantasy, when we're here calling 4 weeks patience.

 

[Banger]

Love the press he is getting. On my bench in one league and on the FA list in another...but shallow bench league in #2. I'd love to see him hop CEH but I think it may take an injury to turn him into a RB2.

I’m getting caught up in the hype but my biggest concern is that he doesn’t catch the ball…or at least he hasn’t. In today’s fantasy, that’s huge. You essentially have to be a workhorse or be the goal line back to have real good value and I don’t think he’ll be either one of those either. So I think he may be like Sanders from last year without the injuries and maybe some more td’s.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Peter Schrager gushes about Chiefs Isiah Pacheco: 'he's been lights out'

For what it's worth in another post I saw. A guy was talking about how he has been watching Pachecho play since he was a kid apparently.

"I been watching this kid play since he was 7 years old. "Pop" will make a statement. Just watch the kid can play. First time he ever touched the ball he had a 67 yard td. He can hit and tackle. In HS he played line backer. "Pop" is a all around football player he just loves to play and don't care where. If u said go play center he would go in. Dude will be a number 1 rb I'm shocked he went 7th in the draft. He was over looked."

Love the press he is getting. On my bench in one league and on the FA list in another...but shallow bench league in #2. I'd love to see him hop CEH but I think it may take an injury to turn him into a RB2.

I’m getting caught up in the hype but my biggest concern is that he doesn’t catch the ball…or at least he hasn’t. In today’s fantasy, that’s huge. You essentially have to be a workhorse or be the goal line back to have real good value and I don’t think he’ll be either one of those either. So I think he may be like Sanders from last year without the injuries and maybe some more td’s.

He has good hands. Watch his highlights in college. Just depends on how the chiefs will use him.

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What makes me so excited about this guy is his ability to accelerate to top speed so quickly. That is definitely elite level acceleration

 

[LawFitz]

One thing missing in his game is contact balance. He seems to wobble upon first touch, but man does he shoot out of the cannon first. This dude runs HARD.

 

[cracKer]

One thing missing in his game is contact balance. He seems to wobble upon first touch, but man does he shoot out of the cannon first. This dude runs HARD.

Christine Michael

 

[Moonlight]

One thing missing in his game is contact balance. He seems to wobble upon first touch, but man does he shoot out of the cannon first. This dude runs HARD.

Christine Michael

I had hoped to never hear that name again.

 

[chad in Indy]

I play redraft, but the indicator I look for to determine a player getting more playing time is when the team removes said player from special teams. That, for me, is a good indicator the team values him more at the skills position over the risk of injury on special teams.

Note - this does not include punt returners

 

[smbkrypt24]

I play redraft, but the indicator I look for to determine a player getting more playing time is when the team removes said player from special teams. That, for me, is a good indicator the team values him more at the skills position over the risk of injury on special teams.

Note - this does not include punt returners

I am not sure if I missed it. Have they removed him from kickoff duties? I know Sky Moore was the punt returner against the Colts, but didn't pay attention to the kick returner.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I hesitate to write much anymore because it feels like most of my hot takes turn ice cold in a matter of weeks. I feel like I'm the grim reaper out there sometimes lol.

A few observations:

CEH looks good. I noticed this in the preseason but still thought that 2 years of him not looking good would be right. But maybe the whole health thing really was keeping him from being able to be effective. These things always make sense in retrospect but we can all be forgiven for not being able to separate the wheat from the chaff in terms of storylines that end up being worthless versus the ones that actually mean something. "He was the best player on the team" LSU with Burrow/ Chase/ Jefferson was always lingering in the background but 2 years of failing the eyeball test is tough to ignore.

The KC OLine and running game/ scheme for running are not really great. They invested big time ~18 months ago in the OLine. It looks fine to me but it's in no way a road-grading, elite OLine to my eyes. And they don't plow open big running lanes or design their offense for this.

Pacheco still has a ways to go in terms of reading where and when to run. Yes, he's fast and physical. But he's not instinctive to my eyes in terms of where and when to hit it. And he's not especially slippery or elusive. Having the speed and strength are great. And the mental attitude is obviously off the charts. Greatness will elude him if he can't learn how to be better in those areas.

Love that the team loves him. Obviously the mental attitude is where the staff has him leaps and bounds ahead of RoJo.

The usage-- to me-- suggests that they see him as a trainee. They want him to learn the plays and the above skills. They value what he can bring but still think CEH and McKinnon are who they want executing the offense when the game's on the line.

Injuries happen, especially to RBs. If either of CEH or McKinnon are hurt, there's still no assurance they won't just reinvent this as a 3 back system with RoJo. But that's his best chance to being a guy you have in your lineup. Short of that. the re-emergence of CEH as a valuable, explosive weapon caps his ceiling.

It'll be fun to see how things unfold for the kid.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But he's not instinctive to my eyes in terms of where and when to hit it.

He's probably not used to seeing holes in front of him. Rutgers o-line is completely overmatched against most B1G opponents.

 

[psychobillies]

"He was the best player on the team" LSU with Burrow/ Chase/ Jefferson was always lingering in the background

He was a very important piece of the LSU puzzle that year, but I can't imagine anyone who wasn't smoking crack saying that he was the best player on that team. I'm not sure if they would have beaten Bama without him that year, but without Burrow and Chase/Jets it would not have mattered what Clyde did.

 

[chad in Indy]

I play redraft, but the indicator I look for to determine a player getting more playing time is when the team removes said player from special teams. That, for me, is a good indicator the team values him more at the skills position over the risk of injury on special teams.

Note - this does not include punt returners

I am not sure if I missed it. Have they removed him from kickoff duties? I know Sky Moore was the punt returner against the Colts, but didn't pay attention to the kick returner.

No. Believe he is still used in special teams. There is my point. Not looking to use a bench space on him yet.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

"He was the best player on the team" LSU with Burrow/ Chase/ Jefferson was always lingering in the background

He was a very important piece of the LSU puzzle that year, but I can't imagine anyone who wasn't smoking crack saying that he was the best player on that team. I'm not sure if they would have beaten Bama without him that year, but without Burrow and Chase/Jets it would not have mattered what Clyde did.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify, I heard on a podcast mid-summer that one of his LSU teammates referred to him as that. Third hand info but I seem to remember it might have been Chase or Jefferson. It was a "Maybe we're all sleeping on CEH, he was once thought to be pretty good and maybe he's just been hurt" take that has proven more true than not in terms of his redraft value vs RoJo etc. Also, I am a total newbie in terms of CFB so will try to provide further context when I'm trying to make a point.

 

[Chaka]

Is Ronald Jones on the practice squad?

 

[psychobillies]

"He was the best player on the team" LSU with Burrow/ Chase/ Jefferson was always lingering in the background

He was a very important piece of the LSU puzzle that year, but I can't imagine anyone who wasn't smoking crack saying that he was the best player on that team. I'm not sure if they would have beaten Bama without him that year, but without Burrow and Chase/Jets it would not have mattered what Clyde did.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify, I heard on a podcast mid-summer that one of his LSU teammates referred to him as that. Third hand info but I seem to remember it might have been Chase or Jefferson. It was a "Maybe we're all sleeping on CEH, he was once thought to be pretty good and maybe he's just been hurt" take that has proven more true than not in terms of his redraft value vs RoJo etc. Also, I am a total newbie in terms of CFB so will try to provide further context when I'm trying to make a point.

I gotcha. Maybe they were talking in terms of leadership. He was a very important part of that team, no doubt. He was a great college back and a great team mate. I don't think he's got the physical tools to be an elite NFL RB, but he's definitely the kind of guy you want on your team.

 

[ZADO]

One thing missing in his game is contact balance. He seems to wobble upon first touch, but man does he shoot out of the cannon first. This dude runs HARD.

He runs violently, like Marshawn Lynch

 

[DeaLerZ]

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He looks the part

 

[Deamon]

Ugh, he done now?

 

[ShamrockPride]

Ugh, he done now?

Coaching staff seems dedicated to a 3-man committee, which means it's going to be volatile and entirely unpredictable from week to week.

For fantasy purposes, probably best to stay away from all 3 of em.

For the moment though as others have observed, it does seem like KC is easing Pacheco in during times when they have a comfortable lead.

 

[zamboni]

Ugh, he done now?

Coaching staff seems dedicated to a 3-man committee, which means it's going to be volatile and entirely unpredictable from week to week.

For fantasy purposes, probably best to stay away from all 3 of em.

For the moment though as others have observed, it does seem like KC is easing Pacheco in during times when they have a comfortable lead.

Seems like Reid is using an all hands on deck approach with both the RBs and WRs given no superstars in either group of players. Seems to be working just fine for the team, just unfortunate for fantasy purposes.

 

[Banger]

McKinnon's early success running the ball stuck a fork in Pacheco's opportunity. Also, didn't help getting down early so they relied on the more veteran players. Bad game script but certainly disappointing considering how he performed last week.

 

[Boone22]

I see this as McKinnon being used when KC was down 14 early. He’s more of the pass catching back. I’m assuming that if KC would have jumped out to an early lead instead of Vegas, CEH and IP would have split time pounding the ball.

 

[DeaLerZ]

yea that game was frustrating as far as Pachecho goes because we all know how much talent he has and want to see him have more opportunities. CEH looked bad though. When he gets hit he goes down immediately. I am sure because of his experience and knowledge of the offense he will continue to be the starter until he gets hurt.

The other thing CEH has going for him is that he is not touching the ball that much so his chances of getting hurt are less. This could be one of those situations where Pachecho goes off at the end of the season or in the playoffs...Hopefully he gets more and more involved earlier in the season. It has to be a matter of trust with his ability to protect Mahomes, and understanding the offense. He was actually graded as one of the best blocking RBs in this year's draft, so hopefully that trust grows soon.

For now he continues to be a lottery ticket with league winning upside

 

[Dr. Octopus]

When he gets hit he goes down immediately.

It's really odd to watch. I mean, he's not tiny and there have been many other smaller backs in the NFL, but he truly looks like a rag doll when getting tackled. Guys get one hand on him and he immediately crumbles to the ground.

 

[ChiefD]

I just have this weird feeling that this is the week Andy Reid unleashes Pacheco to the world. The Chiefs are gonna need some juice in this game - someone who plays with anger and power and some attitude. And something to prove.

That is Pachecho. I'm not saying this with any kind of certainty. Just a gut feeling.

 

[DeaLerZ]

I just have this weird feeling that this is the week Andy Reid unleashes Pacheco to the world. The Chiefs are gonna need some juice in this game - someone who plays with anger and power and some attitude. And something to prove.

That is Pachecho. I'm not saying this with any kind of certainty. Just a gut feeling.

I mean in theory it makes sense. Against the Bills you want to control the clock with the run game and long drives to keep the Bills offense out of sync and off the field. The Bills definitely want to do that to the chiefs, but doesn't seem as effective with Allen/Singletary. Pachecho and Mckinnon seem like a better duo to accomplish this in two back sets with RB screens and TE screens mixed in, but what do I know

 

[LawFitz]

Like the enthusiasm, but so far Walrus has shown little inclination to give Pacheco key minutes in high leverage games.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Edwards has looked awful the past couple of weeks. The chiefs lost last week although to a really good team, and probably who they end up against in AFC Championship. If they lose this week against SF, which is possible especially because of their defense. You have to wonder if they focus on being less one dimensional, and start being more balanced???

Pachecho looks like a thunder and lightning every time he touches the ball. Keep the dream alive lol

 

[Banger]

Edwards has looked awful the past couple of weeks. The chiefs lost last week although to a really good team, and probably who they end up against in AFC Championship. If they lose this week against SF, which is possible especially because of their defense. You have to wonder if they focus on being less one dimensional, and start being more balanced???

Pachecho looks like a thunder and lightning every time he touches the ball. Keep the dream alive lol

While I like Pacheco and would like him to get more I don’t know that they trust him because his touches seem to correlate to lopsided games. Until that changes he’s an injury Hail Mary.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Edwards has looked awful the past couple of weeks. The chiefs lost last week although to a really good team, and probably who they end up against in AFC Championship. If they lose this week against SF, which is possible especially because of their defense. You have to wonder if they focus on being less one dimensional, and start being more balanced???

Pachecho looks like a thunder and lightning every time he touches the ball. Keep the dream alive lol

While I like Pacheco and would like him to get more I don’t know that they trust him because his touches seem to correlate to lopsided games. Until that changes he’s an injury Hail Mary.

I dropped him in redraft - don’t need RB depth anyway - but I’ll hold in dynasty. I’ve said all along he’s a long shot but I liked his skills and saw him in college and he made something out of nothing at Rutgers. Those are deep bench leagues - 30 man rosters.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Definitely has juice running the ball. Still think it'd take injuries to both CEH/McKinnon (or injury to one / other falls out of favor) for him to be fantasy valuable. If you can guess the blowout games, he probably sees more run.

McKinnon's not going anywhere IMO. He's the best all around back (run/receive/block) they have in my opinion. KC goes as Mahomes goes.

 

[The Gator]

When he gets hit he goes down immediately.

It's really odd to watch. I mean, he's not tiny and there have been many other smaller backs in the NFL, but he truly looks like a rag doll when getting tackled. Guys get one hand on him and he immediately crumbles to the ground.

He seems very soft in regards to any kind of rushing strength. You can have all the quicks and flash you want, but if any arm or ankle tackle brings you down…

 

[rockaction]

You can have all the quicks and flash you want

Problem is at 4.6 (with an admittedly good burst score) CEH lacks speed. And I don't think it's just long speed, but intermediate speed, too. People can say that long speed is overrated in running backs, but in KC's offense, which is designed to get people in space, intermediate speed and acceleration is huge. CEH's good gains should go further.

God, guy didn't even turn around last week on a wheel route and got clunked in the head. Just not good. Time for Pacheco and McKinnon, frankly.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Edwards has looked awful the past couple of weeks. The chiefs lost last week although to a really good team, and probably who they end up against in AFC Championship. If they lose this week against SF, which is possible especially because of their defense. You have to wonder if they focus on being less one dimensional, and start being more balanced???

Pachecho looks like a thunder and lightning every time he touches the ball. Keep the dream alive lol

While I like Pacheco and would like him to get more I don’t know that they trust him because his touches seem to correlate to lopsided games. Until that changes he’s an injury Hail Mary.

Yea. It's either injury to Edwards-Helaire/Mckinnon, or a late season/playoff explosion if/when he earns the full trust of the coaching staff, and the full grasp of the offense. Definitely a lottery ticket

it would just be so much fun to watch though lol

 

[The Gator]

You can have all the quicks and flash you want

Problem is at 4.6 (with an admittedly good burst score) CEH lacks speed. And I don't think it's just long speed, but intermediate speed, too. People can say that long speed is overrated in running backs, but in KC's offense, which is designed to get people in space, intermediate speed and acceleration is huge. CEH's good gains should go further.

God, guy didn't even turn around last week on a wheel route and got clunked in the head. Just not good. Time for Pacheco and McKinnon, frankly.

Please don't take my criticism of Pacheco as a positive for CEH, I don't think he's very good either. Pacheco reminds me of a wind up toy; he'll come shot of a canon all jazzed up on a cafe latte but will also show very little instincts where to go. I think it was week 2 or 3 when the Chiefs went for it on 4th and 1. He ran right into the back of his line, then thought he got the first down. Awareness and vision seem to be an issue imo

 

[rockaction]

Pacheco reminds me of a wind up toy; he'll come shot of a canon all jazzed up on a cafe latte but will also show very little instincts where to go

Oh yeah, they've talked about it internally and in interviews. They need him to follow blocks and a blocking scheme. He doesn't seem to have that natural patience and vision some backs do. Perhaps he learns it, perhaps not. He's not ready for prime time yet, either. But his raw athleticism might demand playing time at some point.

 

[Boone22]

Pacheco reminds me of a wind up toy; he'll come shot of a canon all jazzed up on a cafe latte but will also show very little instincts where to go

Oh yeah, they've talked about it internally and in interviews. They need him to follow blocks and a blocking scheme. He doesn't seem to have that natural patience and vision some backs do. Perhaps he learns it, perhaps not. He's not ready for prime time yet, either. But his raw athleticism might demand playing time at some point.

Christine Michael

 

[rockaction]

Christine Michael

I missed the whole Christine Michael kerfuffle on the board. I just...I don't know. I was certainly in on Josh Gordon thread shenanigans, but not Michael.

 

[Hartliner]

It's happening, we are leaving the station!

Chiefs to start rookie RB Isiah Pacheco over Clyde Edwards-Helaire vs. 49ers

 

[rockaction]

Oh my. You've sort of got to be kidding me. Thanks for posting. Indeed traces back to Rapoport and NFL.com

 

[rockaction]

A sixth-round dynasty pick to starting for the KC Chiefs. Now that's an investment with a nice ROI! Holy moly.

But San Fran, man. Those guys are bad as all get out on defense. Not expecting great things today. But who knows? Fire up your Pachecos if you need him.

 

[foxco]

Damn. Nabbed him in 2 redrafts after seeing this, thank you sir.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The man speaks the truth…

After a long wait to get drafted, new Kansas City Chiefs RB Isiah Pacheco is ready to compete and "willing to take another grown man’s job." 2022 NFL draft: Chiefs’ Isiah Pacheco ready to compete in Kansas City Schedule

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[chad in Indy]

anybody brave enough to start him? (outside of those forced to bc of injuries, etc)? Maybe a better question is projected stats for the day? "getting the start" doesn't always equate to playing the lion share of the snaps or all important RZ snaps

 

[Team Smokin']

It's happening, we are leaving the station!

Chiefs to start rookie RB Isiah Pacheco over Clyde Edwards-Helaire vs. 49ers

OMG - I just pulled the trigger in 2 leagues.

Drop J Robinson p/u Pacheco
Drop B Cooks p/u Pacheco

Edit: felt J Robinson was becoming less and less valuable for bench support trending down and not tradeable. Glad to dump him for a potential upside play. Cooks is another player underperforming.