RB James Cook, BUF (1 Viewer)

[FFWhiskey]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

No because it's a waste of time. Personnel changes. Zack Moss sucks. Josh Allen was their best goalline option. Suddenly he's not. Why am I worrying about what they did last year?

Last year Cook only caught 21 balls. Should we assume the Buffalo Bills lack the flexibility to increase passes to the RB? People are comparing Cook to Ekeler. Ekeler caught 100 passes. Cook caught 21 passes or 1.3 a game.


Apparently people can visualize an offense changing when discussing a prospect they like. Cook can catch more passes but Harris can't score more touchdowns. Got it.



Here are some stats for you. Since you want to argue with me and use history to make arguments. Here's some history for you.


In the last 23 years an 190 lb RB or lower has been RB30 or higher in PPR 25 times. Of that list, only 7 seasons in the past 23 years has a RB ended as higher than RB14 (Damian Harris' most productive fantasy season).



James Cook has to be Warrick Dunn, Darren Sproles, or Charlie Garner to buck the trend. If he wants to be better than 2021 Damian Harris in PPR, he would need to put together a season that a player of his size has has only produced 7 times in the past 23 years.



So YEAH, I think I'll take my chances on Harris scoring 10+ Touchdowns. Cook only caught 1.3 passes a game for 21 total catches and people are talking like he's a guarantee for 60-80.

But sure, it's not possible for BUF to run more now that they have a RB that can actually convert there. I bet they'll keep exposing their franchise QB in that spot instead.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone that thinks that Harris will get more use than Cook simply hasn’t paid attention to a single thing said in Buffalo over the last 4 months and hasn’t been reading anything written by any of the local sports guys.

IMO, Harris and Murray will split some short yardage situations, short and goal carries, and get some touches here and there otherwise, but Buffalo views Cook far and away as their #1. I don’t care what anyone else thinks when the Bills themselves have made it abundantly clear that’s how they see things.

I will believe that 190 lb James Cook can lead that team in usage when I see it. There is extensive data available on that loops back to essentially Warrick Dunn and a few other guys.

Otherwise, I couldn't name you 1 190 lb RB who lead his team in carries off thr top of my head.

Unless you’re arguing that you believe Cook will be injured, I’m not sure what your point is. Buffalo clearly sees him as their primary back. They’ve said it both outright in words and in every action they’ve taken in camp and preseason so far.

Past comps/history mean very little when the team is straight up telling everyone in every way that they can that they intend to use Cook as their #1 RB. If the Bills are wrong in their assessment, how long do you think it would be before they would admit it? I can tell you that McDermott is extremely stubborn and once they commit to a guy, it typically takes quite a bit for them to change direction.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cook weighed 199 at the combine. Same as Gibbs. I think those guys are envisioned for a similar role.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Went high in my redraft league. Definitely was one of the 1st 20 RBs off the board, was gone by the 4th Rd, nobody was waiting

Went A.Jones, R.Stephenson, J.Gibbs, James Cook, Najee Harris, Javonte Williams, Alex Mattison for some reference

 

[Banger]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

No because it's a waste of time. Personnel changes. Zack Moss sucks. Josh Allen was their best goalline option. Suddenly he's not. Why am I worrying about what they did last year?

Last year Cook only caught 21 balls. Should we assume the Buffalo lacks the flexibility to increase passes to the RB? People are comparing Cook to Ekeler. Ekeler caught 100 passes. Cook caught 21 passes or 1.3 a game.


Apparently people can visualize an offense changing when discussing a prospect they like. Cook can catch more passes but Harris can't score more touchdowns. Got it.



Here are some stats for you. Since you want to argue with me and use history to make arguments. Here's some history for you.


In the last 23 years an 190 lb RB or lower has been RB30 or higher in PPR 25 times. Of that list, only 7 seasons in the past 23 years has a RB ended as higher than RB14 (Damian Harris' most productive fantasy season).



James Cook has to be Warrick Dunn, Darren Sproles, or Charlie Garner to buck the trend. If he wants to be better than 2021 Damian Harris in PPR, he would need to put together a season that a player of his size has has only produced 7 times in the past 23 years.



So YEAH, I think I'll take my chances on Harris scoring 10+ Touchdowns. Cook only caught 1.3 passes a game for 21 total catches and people are talking like he's a guarantee for 60-80.

But sure, it's not possible for BUF to run more now that they have a RB that can actually convert there. I bet they'll keep exposing their franchise QB in that spot instead.

you should send an email to the Bills letting him know he’s doomed for failure because of his weight.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

Smaller running backs - History against Achane, Vaughn - Fantasy Index

History against Achane, Vaughn

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

No because it's a waste of time. Personnel changes. Zack Moss sucks. Josh Allen was their best goalline option. Suddenly he's not. Why am I worrying about what they did last year?

Last year Cook only caught 21 balls. Should we assume the Buffalo lacks the flexibility to increase passes to the RB? People are comparing Cook to Ekeler. Ekeler caught 100 passes. Cook caught 21 passes or 1.3 a game.


Apparently people can visualize an offense changing when discussing a prospect they like. Cook can catch more passes but Harris can't score more touchdowns. Got it.



Here are some stats for you. Since you want to argue with me and use history to make arguments. Here's some history for you.


In the last 23 years an 190 lb RB or lower has been RB30 or higher in PPR 25 times. Of that list, only 7 seasons in the past 23 years has a RB ended as higher than RB14 (Damian Harris' most productive fantasy season).



James Cook has to be Warrick Dunn, Darren Sproles, or Charlie Garner to buck the trend. If he wants to be better than 2021 Damian Harris in PPR, he would need to put together a season that a player of his size has has only produced 7 times in the past 23 years.



So YEAH, I think I'll take my chances on Harris scoring 10+ Touchdowns. Cook only caught 1.3 passes a game for 21 total catches and people are talking like he's a guarantee for 60-80.

But sure, it's not possible for BUF to run more now that they have a RB that can actually convert there. I bet they'll keep exposing their franchise QB in that spot instead.

you should send an email to the Bills letting him know he’s doomed for failure because of his weight.

And now you know why I didn't respond to the rest of your post.

 

[Biabreakable]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

Smaller running backs - History against Achane, Vaughn - Fantasy Index

History against Achane, Vaughn

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

 

[Banger]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

Smaller running backs - History against Achane, Vaughn - Fantasy Index

History against Achane, Vaughn

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

Of course. He likes the stats he likes and ignores the ones he doesn’t.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

Smaller running backs - History against Achane, Vaughn - Fantasy Index

History against Achane, Vaughn

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

Jahvid Best is on that list too. Coach loved him. He was productive when healthy.

That one ended tragically. Same with Phillip Lindsey, that was fun while it lasted too.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

Smaller running backs - History against Achane, Vaughn - Fantasy Index

History against Achane, Vaughn

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

Of course. He likes the stats he likes and ignores the ones he doesn’t.

What stats did I ignore? Sure Buffalo RB didn't score many RZ touchdowns last year. They didn't have any that could get the job done.


They now have a RB who can score in that position. We just watched him vulture one from Cook a few nights ago. I expect now that they roster a RB capable of scoring in the RZ, their RB RZ touchdowns will increase. What other stats am I ignoring?


This is why I deliberately ignored you and didn't respond in detail, but I have some time in my schedule. What else am I "ignoring"?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

 

[Biabreakable]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

He went a lot higher than I anticipated tonight
And i think the person that drafted him in the 4th Rd was not off their rocker, many were eye balling him, not sure he would be there on the 5/6 turn.
I think James Cook is going to redefine what the role of the lead RB does in this offense.
Just my .02

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

There’s also a sort of “traditional RB” bias where people ignore how the Bills use their RBs.

Seems like FF managers are always wanting the Bills to have a big between the tackles primary back, and that’s just not really their thing.

I don’t care what Cook weighs. I care how the Bills use him. I don’t expect them to completely revamp their offense because they have Damian Harris.

 

[efactor]

Just finished my 14 team in person local draft. Got Cook as my RB 1 after going WR, WR, WR, TE out of the 3 spot. Full PPR and we start 3 WR, 2 RBs and a flex. Wasn't my game plan to wait that long on RB, but Waddle fell to me at 2.12 and Olave at 3.03 so couldn't resist. Ending up taking Harris in round 11 to cover Cook.

 

[Biabreakable]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back."

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back.

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over an NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin had two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a season is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back"

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back"

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over and NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin has two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a season is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs. Here are just a few sources for my number

You have to go out of your way to find him listed at 199 lbs anywhere. **** man, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. I'm not going to go into an argument about CMC I think he's a great player.


I'm just saying it's a fair question as to why he's listed at 190 lbs on ESPN, NFL, BuffaloBills.com? Where does this number come from? Everyone here knows the answer to everything else that comes up on these forums.


I'm happy and open to be wrong. My eyeballs suggest to me he's a much smaller player than CMC. Per your own words, CMC put on 10 to 15 lbs. So he's at 212 to 217 lbs now?


That's still a lot heavier than Cook even if Cook is 199 lbs now. If Cook is 199 lbs, he's close to maxing out. Guys don't just go from 190 lbs to 210 lbs. Even the jump to 199 lbs is highly questionable.


The point is, this 190 lb number came from somewhere and was valid at some point.

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[Biabreakable]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

There’s also a sort of “traditional RB” bias where people ignore how the Bills use their RBs.

Seems like FF managers are always wanting the Bills to have a big between the tackles primary back, and that’s just not really their thing.

I don’t care what Cook weighs. I care how the Bills use him. I don’t expect them to completely revamp their offense because they have Damian Harris.

I agree. Josh Allen is their big RB and a big part of the reason why their RB do not score many TD.

Pun intended.

 

[PIK95]

James Cook will be a top ten fantasy RB in ppr this year imo. Just wanted to get that in.

Carry on.

 

[chad in Indy]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the weight argument intrigued me so I did a whopping 5 minute search (long, I know) and 200 lbs seems to be a important threshold. I really couldn't believe 199 lbs would matter, but I could only find a handful of success under that mark. Jammal Charles was one of my favorite RBs, but he's one of the few outliers. If Cook is really only 190, then the odds are severely against him historically. Now, that is for real FB, and maybe a case can be made for fantasy. But it does bring up bad memories of the fools gold likes of Tarik Cohen, Andre Ellington, Jahvid Best, etc that have already been mentioned.

I already had my draft and was looking to possibly trade for him, but more skeptical now that it's trying to catch lighting in a bottle. It would be naive to ignore the weight argument.

Anybody have a contrarian opinion on the weight argument?

 

[FFWhiskey]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

There’s also a sort of “traditional RB” bias where people ignore how the Bills use their RBs.

Seems like FF managers are always wanting the Bills to have a big between the tackles primary back, and that’s just not really their thing.

I don’t care what Cook weighs. I care how the Bills use him. I don’t expect them to completely revamp their offense because they have Damian Harris.

I agree. Josh Allen is their big RB and a big part of the reason why their RB do not score many TD.

Pun intended.

Bills RB were a 190 lb Cook, a 203 lb Singletary, and 196 lb Nyheim Hines.


Who was supposed to be their RZ specialist last season? Is it possible their RBs didn't score much in the RZ because they were all undersized and/or incapable?


The Patriots didn't take many deepshots until Randy Moss came to town. You feel me? The Bills now have a legit 214 lb goal line RB that is far superior to any back they had on the roster last year in that regard. If they had a back like Harris last season, he would have commanded RZ carries. No reason to bother sending a 203 lb Singletary up the gut... they literally did not have a competent short yardage back on the roster. They do now and I expect them to use him accordingly instead of senseless letting their franchise QB take a beating in this situation.

 

[Biabreakable]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back"

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back"

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over and NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin has two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a season is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs. Here are just a few sources for my number

You have to go out of your way to find him listed at 199 lbs anywhere. **** man, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. I'm not going to go into an argument about CMC I think he's a great player.


I'm just saying it's a fair question as to why he's listed at 190 lbs on ESPN, NFL, BuffaloBills.com? Where does this number come from? Everyone here knows the answer to everything else that comes up on these forums.

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James Cook is a 5-11, 190-pound Running Back from Miami, FL.

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I did a search on combine results and the NFL.com ones were the first hits I found. I certainly didn't go out of my way to find that information.

Just because these sites list him at 190 lbs does that make it true? What is their source for this information? Is that source more reliable than the combine data?

This point about a players weight or size is an argument I have heard people make over and over again for decades. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine and actually I was trying to avoid getting into it because I find this point of view to be very close minded with a dash of moving the chains on the cut off points to make the data fit the narrative. When I think a lot of us know by now a thing like weight is pretty variable and changes over time. Although some have argued with me in the past that it doesn't.

My gripe or annoyance about this point of view is not exclusive to football fans either. Coaches think this stuff too. And when a coach believes in this well they are not going to give a player at a lighter weight a chance to prove them wrong are they? So it becomes somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy as well. Yes I am talking about you Hue Jackson and whoever was the coach that thought they needed Johnathan Stewart when they already had Damien Williams.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back"

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back"

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over and NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin has two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a seastisn is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs. Here are just a few sources for my number

You have to go out of your way to find him listed at 199 lbs anywhere. **** man, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. I'm not going to go into an argument about CMC I think he's a great player.


I'm just saying it's a fair question as to why he's listed at 190 lbs on ESPN, NFL, BuffaloBills.com? Where does this number come from? Everyone here knows the answer to everything else that comes up on these forums.

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I did a search on combine results and the NFL.com ones were the first hits I found. I certainly didn't go out of my way to find that information.

Just because these sites list him at 190 lbs does that make it true? What is their source for this information? Is that source more reliable than the combine data?

This point about a players weight or size is an argument I have heard people make over and over again for decades. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine and actually I was trying to avoid getting into it because I find this point of view to be very close minded with a dash of moving the chains on the cut off points to make the data fit the narrative. When I think a lot of us know by now a thing like weight is pretty variable and changes over time. Although some have argued with me in the past that it doesn't.

My gripe or annoyance about this point of view is not exclusive to football fans either. Coaches think this stuff too. And when a coach believe in this well they are not going to give a player at a lighter weight a chance to prove them wrong are they? So it becomes somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy as well. Yes I am talking about you Hue Jackson and whoever was the coach that thought they needed Johnathan Stewart when they already had Damien Williams.

Understood. I'm just trying to get as complete of a picture as possible. I don't know if he weighs 190 lbs or 199 lbs.

At some point he was measured at both weights apparently. Based on what I know, he is either undersized at 199 lbs or historically undersized at 190 lbs.


As @chad in Indy pointed out, being in the sub 200 lbs club doesn't do him many favors either.

It just takes him from historical long shot tier to highly unlikely to produce tier. You love combine data? Here's a list of every RB weighing in at under 200 lbs at the combine (it's not pretty). Go ahead. Pick your favorite RB from this list.

https://www.4for4.com/sites/default/files/u12700/2_1.png

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Are we arguing Cook vs Harris? My money is on Harris. More talented player with more experience being lead back.

His only ding is staying healthy. When healthy, Harris is a touchdown machine. Cook's upside is catching passes. Harris is thunder, Cook is lightning.



Cook goes first because of perceived upside and unknown. Harris goes late because he's steady and reliable. Buffalo will be in the RZ often, so, give me Harris...

I've come to the conclusion that part of your job at FantasyPros is to give really bad advice on competitors' sites in order for them to look for a new site to follow/purchase from.

I repeat. Damian Harris was RB14 in PPR and RB8 in standard scoring two years ago. He scored 15 touchdowns. That's like catching 90 passes. You would fall out of your chair if Cook finished as RB8/RB15 in any format. The guy you're writing off has already done what you hope James Cook can do.

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You can crap on Damian Harris and prefer James Cook's upside all you want, but Damian Harris already finished as RB8/15 and it only took him 200 carries in 2021 to accomplish that. I don't think 200 carries is a stretch, nor is 10+ touchdowns.


Again, Damian Harris is 26 years old and playing in the best offense of his career. He has done it for fantasy and real NFL. There's no reason to think he can't repeat his 2021 performance in a better offense. He is the Buffalo Bills' goal line back and before people got obsessed with receptions, we used to value goalline RBs who play in Top 5 offenses.



James Cook touched the ball 110 times last season. Let's not crown the guy prematurely. I like his YPC, but he'll need to catch more than 21 passes if he wants to compete with all the touchdowns Harris is going to be scoring.

And he was so good that he lost his job to Stevenson and they let him walk. You’re talking a different system, different team where he was the starter. I can show you a ton of examples of backs who had a job and performed well, lost the job and became journeymen. You talk about all these TD’s Harris is going to be scoring….the RBs scored a total of 7 td’s last year, 5 for singletary and 2 for cooks. for Harris to have the value you seem to be looking for he’d have to be Jamaal Williams from DET from last year and that ain’t happening in Buffalo.

From my understanding, Harris was the starting RB until he got hurt last season. Not going to respond to the rest.

Look up historic 190 lb NFL RB and let me know how you feel about J Cook carrying a full load. You know, the kind or load Harris was carrying that lead to his injury last year.


Because a 190 lb RB could never get hurt if he saw 200+ touches.

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You’re not going to respond to the fact that Harris’ value is a goal line back for a team that doesn’t give rb’s many goal line opportunities? You’re quoting TD totals for a different team, when he was healthy and a starter…don’t understand the logic.

Full loads for a rb are history…how many full load rb’s are there in the league in 2023?

The weight bias stuff does seem pretty irrelevant considering the uniqueness of this team and the continuous change across the NFL each season.

Like the Bills don't know who they got in James Cook? Didn't they see the chart? Its unpossible for him to lead their team in touches unless he gains a few pounds and crests over that line man!

Also players do gain and lose weight during their careers. Particularly after their rookie seasons, due to a year of training and conditioning in adaptation to the NFL. But lets just think that a players weight is frozen in time and can never change.

There’s also a sort of “traditional RB” bias where people ignore how the Bills use their RBs.

Seems like FF managers are always wanting the Bills to have a big between the tackles primary back, and that’s just not really their thing.

I don’t care what Cook weighs. I care how the Bills use him. I don’t expect them to completely revamp their offense because they have Damian Harris.

I agree. Josh Allen is their big RB and a big part of the reason why their RB do not score many TD.

Pun intended.

Bills RB were a 190 lb Cook, a 203 lb Singletary, and 196 lb Nyheim Hines.


Who was supposed to be their RZ specialist last season? Is it possible their RBs didn't score much in the RZ because they were all undersized and/or incapable?


The Patriots didn't take many deepshots until Randy Moss came to town. You feel me? The Bills now have a legit 214 lb goal line RB that is far superior to any back they had on the roster last year in that regard. If they had a back like Harris last season, he would have commanded RZ carries. No reason to bother sending a 203 lb Singletary up the gut... they literally did not have a competent short yardage back on the roster. They do now and I expect them to use him accordingly instead of senseless letting their franchise QB take a beating in this situation.

Josh Allen. As already noted by others, Josh Allen has been their RZ specialist. He probably still will be to some extent — though clearly they want to have a RB who can be more effective than Smurf-like D Singletary.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Would be really curious to see people’s projections for Cook vs Harris this year.

My rough guess:

Cook: 170 carries, 825 yds, 45 catches, 360 yds, 7 total TDs

Harris: 100 carries, 450 yds, 10 catches, 65 yards, 7 total TDs

Expecting Murray or someone else to get a little bit of play also.

 

[Chaka]

I think we are too caught up in weight here.

My issue is the Bills haven't really seemed very interested in having a true feature back.

More than 220-230 touches, which is great btw, feels like fanciful thinking. 40-50 receptions, also good. Limited goal line opportunities feels like a cap on his upside.

His price can be great if he stays closer to RB28 but, as we saw up thread he has also gone at RB21 and that feels like a steep price for a guy who doesn't seem to have a very good shot at 250+ touches.

 

[BlackCrowes]

In

 

[massraider]

Cook weighed 199 at the combine. Same as Gibbs. I think those guys are envisioned for a similar role.

Things can change, and maybe they are, but history says that's too small

 

[Biabreakable]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back"

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back"

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over and NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin has two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a seastisn is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs. Here are just a few sources for my number

You have to go out of your way to find him listed at 199 lbs anywhere. **** man, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. I'm not going to go into an argument about CMC I think he's a great player.


I'm just saying it's a fair question as to why he's listed at 190 lbs on ESPN, NFL, BuffaloBills.com? Where does this number come from? Everyone here knows the answer to everything else that comes up on these forums.

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James Cook is a 5-11, 190-pound Running Back from Miami, FL.

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I did a search on combine results and the NFL.com ones were the first hits I found. I certainly didn't go out of my way to find that information.

Just because these sites list him at 190 lbs does that make it true? What is their source for this information? Is that source more reliable than the combine data?

This point about a players weight or size is an argument I have heard people make over and over again for decades. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine and actually I was trying to avoid getting into it because I find this point of view to be very close minded with a dash of moving the chains on the cut off points to make the data fit the narrative. When I think a lot of us know by now a thing like weight is pretty variable and changes over time. Although some have argued with me in the past that it doesn't.

My gripe or annoyance about this point of view is not exclusive to football fans either. Coaches think this stuff too. And when a coach believe in this well they are not going to give a player at a lighter weight a chance to prove them wrong are they? So it becomes somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy as well. Yes I am talking about you Hue Jackson and whoever was the coach that thought they needed Johnathan Stewart when they already had Damien Williams.

Understood. I'm just trying to get as complete of a picture as possible. I don't know if he weighs 190 lbs or 199 lbs.

At some point he was measured at both weights apparently. Based on what I know, he is either undersized at 199 lbs or historically undersized at 190 lbs.


As @chad in Indy pointed out, being in the sub 200 lbs club doesn't do him many favors either.

It just takes him from historical long shot tier to highly unlikely to produce tier. You love combine data? Here's a list of every RB weighing in at under 200 lbs at the combine (it's not pretty). Go ahead. Pick your favorite RB from this list.

https://www.4for4.com/sites/default/files/u12700/2_1.png

You seem to have not heard what I said earlier about the weight of human beings changing over time.

RBs less than 200 lbs. He was listed at 199. What if he weighed in at 202 lbs like McCaffrey? Well then he is not on that list is he? But whats the difference really?

For all we know he is 210 lbs now. Or do you think he should forever be considered 199? just like all the other players on that list are stuck in that moment in time?

Yes this argument is quite silly.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cook weighed 199 at the combine. Same as Gibbs. I think those guys are envisioned for a similar role.

Things can change, and maybe they are, but history says that's too small

Ekeler 199, CMC 202.

 

[Chaka]

Not to derail the Cook thread, but I think Harris advocates are fighting the wrong battle. Harris has almost no chance to unseat Cook as the primary RB in Buffalo this year outside of injuries.

Harris’s real competition is whether he’s even the #2 RB/goal line RB. Murray has been fantastic all camp and preseason. He’s the oldest RB in the league, but has shown burst, power, and the ability to catch the ball.

With Harris being hurt all preseason until late this week, Murray performed excellent in all areas as the #2 guy this summer. It should not go unnoticed that Murray didn’t play at all despite not being injured this week. That could indicate that Buffalo is entirely satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Murray but needed to see what Harris is able to do still. It’s not even close to a foregone conclusion that Harris is the #2 and goal line guy IMO.

That's the funny part. I like both players but many people have the mentality that somehow Cook and Harris can't both be good.

To some people, for Cook to be good Harris has to be bad. I'm not even arguing against Cook, all I've said is the RB who weighs 24 lbs heavier and has posted a RB14 season in PPR is probably going to lead the team in carries over 17 games. I watched an aging Thomas Jones outtouch a prime Jamaal Charles. It's just good football sense to keep your smaller back fresh to make big plays. Grind down the 214 lb RB you have on a 1-year deal.


Injury or non-injury. If you look up the only productive RB his size it amounts to Jahvid Best, Phillip Lindsay, Darren Sproles, Warrick Dunn, and Charlie Garner.

Of that list of RBs 190 or less, I'm curious to know how many times those teams lead their team in usage. However, that is not worth the research required for someone to tell me I'm wrong anyway and that this player in particular is going to have a season that has only happened 7 times in the past 23 years from a player his size and I need to get a clue.


Like it should be enough just for me to say "he looks small on tape". The fact people are willing to toss away decades of data against their argument in addition to ignoring what is obvious to the eyes, tells me the hype for this player renders discussing him objectively at this point in the season, unfeasible.



Rooting for him but I think he's more of a rich man's McKissic than a generational small back.

James Cook 199 lbs

Christian McCaffrey 202 lbs

James Cook wishes he was CMC. Also is CMC really the best argument against small backs not getting getting hurt carrying a full load?

I'm open to Cook being a little heavier, but being 3 lbs lighter than the player who is made of glass is not the best endorsement.


"Maybe" he is 199 lbs. Combine was awhile ago for him, he may have put on weight to increase draft stock. We all really don't know.



Any clue where that 190 lb number comes from? 9 lbs isn't exactly a small difference.

The point is that from the same source the difference between their weights is only 3 lbs.

If you read Lance Zierliens write up on both players he says Christian McCafferey "Lacks desired size of an every-down back"

Lance is well respected analyst for a long time. That is why he has this great gig at NFL.com What he says and you are saying is a long time trope regarding players. Even coaches share these types of beliefs. Yet very often they are myths.

At the time that McCaffrey came out many people including Zierlien doubted he could be an :every down back"

It has been reported that McCaffrey put on 10 to 15 lbs after his rookie season as part of enabling him to endure a high workload over and NFL season. I am not sure if Cook has done the same or not, but he certainly could have if that is what he and the coaches wanted him to do.

You laugh at McCaffreys durability? When he has 3 seasons with over 300 touches? Including a 400 touch season under Norv Turner? Seems strange to me. Yes he has been injured. Many RB get injured, especially when they touch the ball that much. Being heavier or lighter does not seem to have anything to do with that as far as I can tell. It is worth speculating if his 400 touch season was too much and perhaps this led to him being injured the following season? There have been some studies in the past that suggest 400 touches is a threshold where players have been injured in seasons after that. Ricky Williams with the Dolphin has two 400 touch seasons in a row and there was a lot of talk about him wearing down because of this that didn't happen. Then he had some issues with avoiding positive testing for THC and took a year off following that, so we will never know if he could have bucked that trend for a 3rd season or not. In any case 400 touches in a seastisn is something to perhaps pay attention to. Regardless of how heavy the player is.

Where the 190 lbs number comes from I dont really know. You are the one who has been citing that.

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs. Here are just a few sources for my number

You have to go out of your way to find him listed at 199 lbs anywhere. **** man, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. I'm not going to go into an argument about CMC I think he's a great player.


I'm just saying it's a fair question as to why he's listed at 190 lbs on ESPN, NFL, BuffaloBills.com? Where does this number come from? Everyone here knows the answer to everything else that comes up on these forums.

James Cook - Buffalo Bills Running Back - ESPN

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James Cook - 2021 - Football - University of Georgia Athletics

James Cook (4) RB - Career Highs * 104 rushing yards vs. South Carolina, 2020; vs. Tennessee, 2021 * 12 carries vs. Arkansas, 2021 * Long rush of 67 yards vs...

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James Cook

James Cook, Georgia RB | NFL Draft Scouting Report

As his scouting report reveals, there's more to Georgia RB James Cook in the 2022 NFL Draft than just being Dalvin Cook's younger brother

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James Cook, Buffalo Bills, Running Back

James Cook is a 5-11, 190-pound Running Back from Miami, FL.

247sports.com

I did a search on combine results and the NFL.com ones were the first hits I found. I certainly didn't go out of my way to find that information.

Just because these sites list him at 190 lbs does that make it true? What is their source for this information? Is that source more reliable than the combine data?

This point about a players weight or size is an argument I have heard people make over and over again for decades. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine and actually I was trying to avoid getting into it because I find this point of view to be very close minded with a dash of moving the chains on the cut off points to make the data fit the narrative. When I think a lot of us know by now a thing like weight is pretty variable and changes over time. Although some have argued with me in the past that it doesn't.

My gripe or annoyance about this point of view is not exclusive to football fans either. Coaches think this stuff too. And when a coach believe in this well they are not going to give a player at a lighter weight a chance to prove them wrong are they? So it becomes somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy as well. Yes I am talking about you Hue Jackson and whoever was the coach that thought they needed Johnathan Stewart when they already had Damien Williams.

Understood. I'm just trying to get as complete of a picture as possible. I don't know if he weighs 190 lbs or 199 lbs.

At some point he was measured at both weights apparently. Based on what I know, he is either undersized at 199 lbs or historically undersized at 190 lbs.


As @chad in Indy pointed out, being in the sub 200 lbs club doesn't do him many favors either.

It just takes him from historical long shot tier to highly unlikely to produce tier. You love combine data? Here's a list of every RB weighing in at under 200 lbs at the combine (it's not pretty). Go ahead. Pick your favorite RB from this list.

https://www.4for4.com/sites/default/files/u12700/2_1.png

You seem to have not heard what I said earlier about the weight of human beings changing over time.

RBs less than 200 lbs. He was listed at 199. What if he weighed in at 202 lbs like McCaffrey? Well then he is not on that list is he? But whats the difference really?

For all we know he is 210 lbs now. Or do you think he should forever be considered 199? just like all the other players on that list are stuck in that moment in time?

Yes this argument is quite silly.

My weight fluctuates up to 10 lbs in a given day.

But, pretty much every source, including the Buffalo Bills web page has Cook listed at 190 lbs. For McCaffrey every source seems locked in to 205 lbs.

No
I think it is fair to accept those numbers.

I question if those numbers have any predictive value. The NFL is a lot different from the days of Charlie Garner & Warrick Dunn.

 

[Chaka]

Another small concern I have for Cook and his role in the offense is the addition of Kincaid. It is reasonable to consider Kincaid may put a small cap on Cook's receptions in a similar manner that Harris is going to eat into his TD opportunities.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Thread is cute. First, he's not 190 lbs but 199 lbs instead because the combine says so. No reason to question why every source has him at 190 lbs. It's ignored.

There's never been a successful back at under 200 lbs when weighed at combine. Just like his listing at 190 lbs, ignore that too and throw away 23 years of combine data.


Then, it's noted that Christian McCaffrey weighed 202 lbs at the combine. It's ignored that CMC is the poster boy for not staying healthy at the RB position. It's ignored that CMC was never listed at lower than 202 lbs and sources say he's added 10 to 15 lbs as a pro and plays at 12 to 25 lbs heavier than James Cook currently.

I pointed out that if a lack of Buffalo rushing TDs hurts Harris, then it hurts Cook too. Because Singletary only averaged 40 catches a year in Buffalo and finished as RB32, RB31, RB18, and RB23. Cook averaged 1.3 catches a game last year. He would need to double his catches to match Singletary and triple his catches to get in the 60+ range. Meanwhile, he caught 67 total passes in 4 years at Georgia. People in this thread are comparing him to Ekeler while insinuating it's not likely or impossible for Damian Harris to rush for 10+ touchdowns in this offense. Even though Harris has actually scored 10+ touchdowns in a season before.



Kind of like the Sean Tucker thread, I can post a hundred red flags, statistics, and people are just going to write "I don't think that matters" while offering no data themselves.


Great, great. I love arguing "feelings" against "facts". If I wanted to have a discussion with my wife, I wouldn't have bothered logging onto the forums yesterday.



Anywho, just like the S Tucker thread I will exit stage left and enjoy watching this play out. Because the stance is, "James Cook is not undersized, the 190 lbs number is a lie, he's just as big as Christian McCaffery, he's going to buck 23+ years of combine data, it's impossible for Damian Harris to lead RB on the team in carries, fantasy points, or score 10+ TD this season; but it is wholly possible for Cook to transform from 21 catches in 16 games to being Austin Ekeler."


Have a great season.

 

[FFWhiskey]

Oh, and Leon Washington averaged 5.9 YPC in 2008. Usually a YPC that high is indicative of usage of a 3rd down back, not the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People forget

 

[LawFitz]

Great thread and points from both sides. I was into James Dalvin when he was a late sleeper. Now that he's entered the dread zone of drafts, I will likely pass for all the reasons stated. Agree he is more likely to be a passing-down RB, eventually, if not from go. That's not worthless, but is the floor (and IMO much more likely range) of his current ADP valuation.

 

[jumper]

There's never been a successful back at under 200 lbs when weighed at combine. Just like his listing at 190 lbs, ignore that too and throw away 23 years of combine data.

So Darren Sproles not exist, or do you just arbitrarily consider him "not successful"?

 

[TripItUp]

Another small concern I have for Cook and his role in the offense is the addition of Kincaid. It is reasonable to consider Kincaid may put a small cap on Cook's receptions in a similar manner that Harris is going to eat into his TD opportunities.

Do you agree that his preseason usage implies a heavy workload for the season? Or just a facade? If not, what is your forecast for usage? (sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread)

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

The combine is the only place I can find 199 lbs. Every other website in existence has him at 190 lbs.

I've often heard of players chugging water to game the combine weight. 9 pounds seems like a lot, but overall I don't trust combine weights all that much.

 

[Chaka]

Thread is cute. First, he's not 190 lbs but 199 lbs instead because the combine says so. No reason to question why every source has him at 190 lbs. It's ignored.

There's never been a successful back at under 200 lbs when weighed at combine. Just like his listing at 190 lbs, ignore that too and throw away 23 years of combine data.


Then, it's noted that Christian McCaffrey weighed 202 lbs at the combine. It's ignored that CMC is the poster boy for not staying healthy at the RB position. It's ignored that CMC was never listed at lower than 202 lbs and sources say he's added 10 to 15 lbs as a pro and plays at 12 to 25 lbs heavier than James Cook currently.

I pointed out that if a lack of Buffalo rushing TDs hurts Harris, then it hurts Cook too. Because Singletary only averaged 40 catches a year in Buffalo and finished as RB32, RB31, RB18, and RB23. Cook averaged 1.3 catches a game last year. He would need to double his catches to match Singletary and triple his catches to get in the 60+ range. Meanwhile, he caught 67 total passes in 4 years at Georgia. People in this thread are comparing him to Ekeler while insinuating it's not likely or impossible for Damian Harris to rush for 10+ touchdowns in this offense. Even though Harris has actually scored 10+ touchdowns in a season before.



Kind of like the Sean Tucker thread, I can post a hundred red flags, statistics, and people are just going to write "I don't think that matters" while offering no data themselves.


Great, great. I love arguing "feelings" against "facts". If I wanted to have a discussion with my wife, I wouldn't have bothered logging onto the forums yesterday.



Anywho, just like the S Tucker thread I will exit stage left and enjoy watching this play out. Because the stance is, "James Cook is not undersized, the 190 lbs number is a lie, he's just as big as Christian McCaffery, he's going to buck 23+ years of combine of combine data, it's impossible for Damian Harris to lead RB on the team in carries, fantasy points, or score 10+ TD this season; but it is wholly possible for Cook to transform from 21 catches in 16 games to being Austin Ekeler."


Have a great season.

You're too focused on weight.

McCaffrey is nothing but a success story.

And somehow I doubt this is your last post in this thread.

 

[*****]

His high school recruiting profile lists him at 190 lbs. I have a hard time believing he added no weight to his 5'11" frame at Georgia. I don't have a hard time believing that many websites are lazy enough to copy this number from other sources over and over.

The combine is the one place they weigh a player in front of the world.

None of this invalidates FFWhiskey's point. Kid is still listed in a size range where most do not succeed, even at 199 lbs.

It really comes down to whether his 5'11" frame still has room to add weight...having added nine pounds of (presuambly good weight) in college. Many backs add 10 pounds after being drafted.

I think 5'11" 210 lb is a functional weight for an NFL RB...If he can get there. I just don't think he is there yet. We will just have to wait and see.

 

[Chaka]

Another small concern I have for Cook and his role in the offense is the addition of Kincaid. It is reasonable to consider Kincaid may put a small cap on Cook's receptions in a similar manner that Harris is going to eat into his TD opportunities.

Do you agree that his preseason usage implies a heavy workload for the season? Or just a facade? If not, what is your forecast for usage? (sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread)

I'm not willing to extrapolate a total of, what, five drives? Into a full season workload. He had 7 opportunities last game, so did Harris (who played with the first team also).

Do I think Harris is going to be used in a 50% workload? Most likely not. Do I think Cook will have 60% of the RB workload? Most likely not.

I like Cook a lot but I am not sure how far over 220 total touches I am willing to extend my like.

RB26-30 range, I love him
RB21-24 range, seems pricey

 

[Faust]

The Athletic’s Joe Buscaglia said James Cook is “the clear top back in Buffalo.”

Damien Harris and Latavius Murry are expected to continue battling for backup touches, but there appears to be little doubt as to Cooks’ standing heading into Week 1 against the Jets. Cook’s stock has risen tremendously since the start of training camp, with coaches praising his versatility in all aspects of the game. The former second-round pick should be in line for plenty of touches on early downs but could have a high fantasy ceiling if the target volume is there. He’s a solid pick in the fifth/sixth round in PPR leagues.

 

[Deamon]

The Athletic’s Joe Buscaglia said James Cook is “the clear top back in Buffalo.”

Damien Harris and Latavius Murry are expected to continue battling for backup touches, but there appears to be little doubt as to Cooks’ standing heading into Week 1 against the Jets. Cook’s stock has risen tremendously since the start of training camp, with coaches praising his versatility in all aspects of the game. The former second-round pick should be in line for plenty of touches on early downs but could have a high fantasy ceiling if the target volume is there. He’s a solid pick in the fifth/sixth round in PPR leagues.

@FFWhiskey

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It's ignored that CMC is the poster boy for not staying healthy at the RB position.

Huh? He’s played a full season in 4 of his 6 years in the league, at a position that is known for guys missing games.

Maybe you are confusing him with Fragile Fred Taylor. Or Rashad Penny.

 

[TripItUp]

Do I think Cook will have 60% of the RB workload? Most likely not.

I like Cook a lot but I am not sure how far over 220 total touches I am willing to extend my like.

I think there is a strong argument that he will have 60% based on preseason usage trends and competition for touches....so we disagree here.

 

[greedygoat]

The Athletic’s Joe Buscaglia said James Cook is “the clear top back in Buffalo.”

Damien Harris and Latavius Murry are expected to continue battling for backup touches, but there appears to be little doubt as to Cooks’ standing heading into Week 1 against the Jets. Cook’s stock has risen tremendously since the start of training camp, with coaches praising his versatility in all aspects of the game. The former second-round pick should be in line for plenty of touches on early downs but could have a high fantasy ceiling if the target volume is there. He’s a solid pick in the fifth/sixth round in PPR leagues.

@FFWhiskey

FFWhiskey has exited stage left...

 

[Chaka]

Do I think Cook will have 60% of the RB workload? Most likely not.

I like Cook a lot but I am not sure how far over 220 total touches I am willing to extend my like.

I think there is a strong argument that he will have 60% based on preseason usage trends and competition for touches....so we disagree here.

Equates to about 250 opportunities.

That would be excellent.