Agree - and Singletary is an UFA after this year and could walk. Might be a good buy low opportunity for Cook in keeper/dynasty leagues. There's obviously a fair chance the Bills will draft or sign another RB to replace Singletary and keep Cook's value down, but if the rookie flashes, you never know.There is a lot to like with this fit. Buffalo wants to keep Josh Allen healthy and start reducing the hits. I think their strong move to get McKissic this off-season is a sign that they want to involve the RBs in the passing game more. Cook fits this perfectly as he can catch out of the backfield, shift to the slot, and even run routes on the outside. On the spectrum of outcomes is this guy becoming a Kamara-lite type of producer. I emphasis “lite”, but there is still a lot of upside potential production in this high powered offense.
I don't see Cook as a primary runner. Kamara-lite is our best hope. 150 rush atempts, 100 targets (60-75 receptions), 8-12 TD's. One time!zamboni said:Agree - and Singletary is an UFA after this year and could walk. Might be a good buy low opportunity for Cook in keeper/dynasty leagues. There's obviously a fair chance the Bills will draft or sign another RB to replace Singletary and keep Cook's value down, but if the rookie flashes, you never know.
I've seen Olave go mid-late 1st in every draft. I wouldn't worry unless you're in a 10 tm league. That said, the drum beat of hype for Olave is starting. He and Cook are both great value.hope this hype heats up. i want someone to reach in the 1st so i can take olave at 8.
I would say the skepticism around Singletary is fueling the higher ADP on Cook.TheDirtyWord said:When C-E-H was drafted by KC...in HPPR drafts, the hype on him went nuts. Via FFC, he wound up being RB5 overall. Obviously that was too high, but Cook on FFC currently HPPR is RB44. For a guy drafted with the 42nd overall pick. With Devin Singletary in front of him.
Josh Allen is considered QB1 this year. But his YPA last year was 6.8 (same as Tua). 646 pass attempts, combined with 122 rushing attempts? That workload alone just feels worthy of a regression...how long can they pile up 800 plays (if you include sacks) on Allen?
I would disagree from my viewpoint anyway. Singeltary finished the year very well. I simply think Cook’s skillset is something the Bills really want to incorporate into their offense, which in turn should lead to FF points. I think both backs can co-exist fairly well, Cooks just almost takes on the “slot” position target wise. If I am reading the situation correctly the Bills want to protect Allen a bit more, and getting the running backs more involved in the passing game will be a big part of that. Cooks is a great chess piece for this offense.I would say the skepticism around Singletary is fueling the higher ADP on Cook.
Singletary did finish the season with 6 strong games where he was featured heavily. My question is where has that been the previous 41 games of his career?I would disagree from my viewpoint anyway. Singeltary finished the year very well. I simply think Cook’s skillset is something the Bills really want to incorporate into their offense, which in turn should lead to FF points. I think both backs can co-exist fairly well, Cooks just almost takes on the “slot” position target wise. If I am reading the situation correctly the Bills want to protect Allen a bit more, and getting the running backs more involved in the passing game will be a big part of that. Cooks is a great chess piece for this offense.
He was better than what you seem to project here.Singletary did finish the season with 6 strong games where he was featured heavily. My question is where has that been the previous 41 games of his career?
He has been doing what the coaches tell him to. He doesn't decide when to be on the field. He doesn't call the plays. His advance metrics haven't change much. 2nd in evasion %, 2nd in 1st down%, 3rd in broken tackles %, 6th in yrds before contact, ect.Singletary did finish the season with 6 strong games where he was featured heavily. My question is where has that been the previous 41 games of his career?
Good points. Has a career YPC of 4.7 and averaged 67 total yards per game he has played in. In summary he has produced when given the chance. I would bet Buffalo leans a little more on the running game this year (OC comments, wanting to lessen the wear on Allen) and I think that ultimately benefits Singeltary and Cook in different ways.He has been doing what the coaches tell him to. He doesn't decide when to be on the field. He doesn't call the plays. His advance metrics haven't change much. 2nd in evasion %, 2nd in 1st down%, 3rd in broken tackles %, 6th in yrds before contact, ect.
He was finally given an opportunity and he excelled.
Fade at you own peril.
Is there a reason he hasn't been given more opportunity? Of course his efficiency is higher when he isn't being given a workhorse role. Plus he's faces light boxes almost more than any RB in the league. He was benefiting immensely from being part of that offense with Allen, Diggs, etc. Teams were not worried about Singletary. He was an extremely inefficient receiver as well. Maybe that is just a byproduct of Allen but Singletary was 6th among RBs in routes run but 31st in yard per route and 30th in yards per catch. So he was asked to run a lot of routes but they didn't throw to him much and when they did, he wasn't doing much with it.He has been doing what the coaches tell him to. He doesn't decide when to be on the field. He doesn't call the plays. His advance metrics haven't change much. 2nd in evasion %, 2nd in 1st down%, 3rd in broken tackles %, 6th in yrds before contact, ect.
He was finally given an opportunity and he excelled.
Fade at you own peril.
I'm not saying this isn't true - but I'm not sure that it is, since Josh Allen runs the ball so much I'd expect a lot of teams play them with an extra man in the box.Plus he's faces light boxes almost more than any RB in the league.
To me, this is narrative street on Singletary for people who haven’t been watching the Bills in the past 3 seasons.Is there a reason he hasn't been given more opportunity? Of course his efficiency is higher when he isn't being given a workhorse role. Plus he's faces light boxes almost more than any RB in the league. He was benefiting immensely from being part of that offense with Allen, Diggs, etc. Teams were not worried about Singletary. He was an extremely inefficient receiver as well. Maybe that is just a byproduct of Allen but Singletary was 6th among RBs in routes run but 31st in yard per route and 30th in yards per catch. So he was asked to run a lot of routes but they didn't throw to him much and when they did, he wasn't doing much with it.
Then there is also the clear signs from the team. After year 1, they drafted Moss and he came out as the starter over Singlegtary. Moss failed so it was back to Singletary. This offseason they made getting another RB a major priority trying for McKissic and then taking in the 2nd. IMO, the signs from the organization don't point to them loving Singletary.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/devin-singletary/I'm not saying this isn't true - but I'm not sure that it is, since Josh Allen runs the ball so much I'd expect a lot of teams play them with an extra man in the box.
There was some narrative in there but I also included numbers. The numbers do show he has been an inefficient receiving back. The numbers show that he faces 6 or less men in the box more than just about any RB in the league. Also, the drafting of Moss and Cook are facts.To me, this is narrative street on Singletary for people who haven’t been watching the Bills in the past 3 seasons.
My 2 cents
This reminds lots of Melvin Gordon a few years ago. Widely hated among FF pundits yet produced year after year.There was some narrative in there but I also included numbers. The numbers do show he has been an inefficient receiving back. The numbers show that he faces 6 or less men in the box more than just about any RB in the league. Also, the drafting of Moss and Cook are facts.
I don't see that comp at all.This reminds lots of Melvin Gordon a few years ago. Widely hated among FF pundits yet produced year after year.
He will likely be a solid RB2, again!
Not necessarily as a player, but more of a situational off season podcast narrative. Although, MG’s ADP was higher, he was constantly knocked for any reason and he would slip in drafts. It took 3-4 years for everyone to catch up and get on board.I don't see that comp at all.
Gordon 6'1" 215, above average athleticism across the board and drafted at slot 1.15. Singletary 5'7" 200, low level athlete across the board and taken at slot 3.10.
Gordon had 3 consecutive seasons as an RB1. Including two top 5 finishes. Singletary's best season was his rookie year where he finished as an RB3. He's never posted RB2 numbers (I am looking at 0.5 ppr for all of these).
Looking at Fantasy ADP, they aren't close either.
Y1: MG- 4.04 DS- 8.02
Y2: MG- 4.09 DS- 4.09
Y3: MG- 1.07 DS- 8.03
Y4: MG- 1.09
Y5: MG- 4.04
Y6: MG- 3.08
Y7: MG- 6.09
Is he another one of the smallish pass catching backs that disappoint fantasy owners because he doesn't get a large enough share of the carries?Anyways, back to Cook, I like him lots, but he’s a rookie in a contending team. I think expectations should be tempered.
1. I don't see that pattern with Gordon's early career.Not necessarily as a player, but more of a situational off season podcast narrative. Although, MG’s ADP was higher, he was constantly knocked for any reason and he would slip in drafts. It took 3-4 years for everyone to catch up and get on board.
Also, see your comment about marginal athlete, that is exactly what I am taking about. Narrative.
Anyways, back to Cook, I like him lots, but he’s a rookie in a contending team. I think expectations should be tempered.
I’m not even high on DS, you were dismissive of his career. I pointed out that wasn’t really true with a link to his career. He’s been better than what you were saying.@candian fantasy guy also I hope that didn't come off as rude, not trying to be a jerk. I've got COVID and might be a little cranky this AM. I just think you might be looking at Singletary through some very rose colored glasses. I hope it works out for him though- could be a huge value this year if he picks up where he left off last season.
Very possible!Is he another one of the smallish pass catching backs that disappoint fantasy owners because he doesn't get a large enough share of the carries?
Agreed. McDermott has said he’d like to cut down on Allen’s rushing attempts - and for good reason for longevity purposes - but we’ll see when the games actually happen. It’s a big part of his arsenal that makes them so dangerous.They might want Allen to run less and check down. But does Allen actually want to run less? That will be the key, time will tell.
The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia reports it is "pretty clear" the Bills want to see what James Cook can "do in open space as a pass catcher."
It is no secret that Cook was drafted to be the passing-down complement to Devin Singletary, but it is encouraging that the Bills are giving him a trial-by-fire in the early days of camp. A team with Super Bowl aspirations simply isn't going to hand passing-down job to a second-round rookie. Cook is going to have to earn the role in camp, and it appears he will be given every opportunity to do so.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Jul 27, 2022, 12:08 AM ET
Matt Parrino @MattParrino
James Cook great pace and balance on a 19-yard run to the left. Definitely missed tackle, but I think that's the part of Cook's game that's the biggest unknown. Can he run through tackles, especially on the outside where you'd expect him to spend most of his time.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Bills staff's been talking about rookie James Cook, and what he's capable of. And you're seeing flashes of it today. Super smooth and more than just a third-down back. Definitely some similarity to his brother.
ya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
ya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
I think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
Ya that sounds awful for fantasy.ya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
I think it very well could end up being Singletary as the lead, Moss as the goal line guy, and Cook as a third down guy with Moss and Cook getting a few early down carries mixed in as well.
So possibly frustrating for fantasy guys but super effective for Buffalo’s offense.
It's slightly concerning to see Moss out there producing. However, I'm not going to buy too much into it until we see it in the regular season. This should open up a buy window for Cook for those who missed out. Take advantage of the people over-reacting, IMO.
But what's his ceiling really? Singletary and Cook are going to get a lot of workI think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
Agreed. They might use Moss as a short yardage back, but that’s of little consequence on a team that likes to throw in the RZ & has a QB to vulture those carries.But what's his ceiling really? Singletary and Cook are going to get a lot of workI think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
I mean today kind of shows differently than that. I know it's preseason, but they did talk a lot about him and how he's looked so great in camp and finally looks like the back they had wanted. I don't see him as the starter, not even close, but I think he's really going to cut into the other 2's upside.Agreed. They might use Moss as a short yardage back, but that’s of little consequence on a team that likes to throw in the RZ & has a QB to vulture those carries.But what's his ceiling really? Singletary and Cook are going to get a lot of workI think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
IMO Singletary & Cook will dominate touches, and barring injury, Moss won’t do much.
He didn’t play until late though right?I mean today kind of shows differently than that. I know it's preseason, but they did talk a lot about him and how he's looked so great in camp and finally looks like the back they had wanted. I don't see him as the starter, not even close, but I think he's really going to cut into the other 2's upside.Agreed. They might use Moss as a short yardage back, but that’s of little consequence on a team that likes to throw in the RZ & has a QB to vulture those carries.But what's his ceiling really? Singletary and Cook are going to get a lot of workI think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
IMO Singletary & Cook will dominate touches, and barring injury, Moss won’t do much.
Not sure. I'm not even talking about his performance today, more so the insight they got from the team about how he is doing in camp and practices and how he is right in the mix. He looked the part. I know you drafted Cook so you're a little biased, but Im staying clear of that backfield.He didn’t play until late though right?I mean today kind of shows differently than that. I know it's preseason, but they did talk a lot about him and how he's looked so great in camp and finally looks like the back they had wanted. I don't see him as the starter, not even close, but I think he's really going to cut into the other 2's upside.Agreed. They might use Moss as a short yardage back, but that’s of little consequence on a team that likes to throw in the RZ & has a QB to vulture those carries.But what's his ceiling really? Singletary and Cook are going to get a lot of workI think Moss looks like a steal this yearya moss looked pretty good too. Buffalo might be a backfield to completely avoid. Again.Looks like all of Cook's work came with the backups after Singletary and Moss played, right?
IMO Singletary & Cook will dominate touches, and barring injury, Moss won’t do much.