Oh I don’t plan to start him unless I have to cover a bye. Next one is on week 14 for the King.
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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (8 Viewers)
- Thread starter Zyphros
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BlackCrowes
Footballguy
If he’s not motivated by now….
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Nope. Again.Hmmm, I guess I was right after all. It’s too bad, I really liked this kid’s attitude and running style. He’s cooked though. Estime is not good and it’s bad news losing a job to him. That run of a few decent games must have been Javonte’s last gasp.
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
I tried to warn y'all
Denver Broncos on Instagram: "His feet were literally in the air. 🤣 @thejavontewilliams breaks down his group-effort TD 📺: NFL+"
26K likes, 133 comments - broncos on November 18, 2024: "His feet were literally in the air. 🤣 @thejavontewilliams breaks down his group-effort TD 📺: NFL+".
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that was definitely the case earlier in the season. Line has been better of late. I think (going from memory here so i could be wrong) they had line injuries early in the year and have been better lately. not all the way better but better to the point where they can run the ball sometimes
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Javonte Williams led the Broncos RB room this week in…
- snaps
- routes run
- targets
- receptions
- carries
…in a game the Broncos won by two scores.
Unfortunately he only had -2 rushing yards and 6 receiving yards to show for it. What a weird box score. Hard to trust any Broncos RBs on a weekly basis.
- snaps
- routes run
- targets
- receptions
- carries
…in a game the Broncos won by two scores.
Unfortunately he only had -2 rushing yards and 6 receiving yards to show for it. What a weird box score. Hard to trust any Broncos RBs on a weekly basis.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Payton said that the Raiders surprised him by playing Cover 0 most of the first half, which made it tough to run against and took awhile to adjust to, but which eventually led to Nix's big second half.
So blame the defense
So blame the defense
half time adjustments were so fun!
I think DC Vance Joseph changed things up and put 6 DBs on the field on that interception
I know Vance deserves another shot at HC, but I sure would like to see him stay for a few more years. Even better, how about a Todd Bowles situation where he stays and eventually takes over when Sean retires?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Indeed! Great to see VJ come out much more aggressive in the 2nd half as that INT was the turning point.
I realize there's a lot of speculation Joseph will get some HC offers, but IMO he won't want to go through that circus again. Looks very comfortable doing what he loves and Payton appears to have given him complete autonomy. But if he does take over eventually I for one would be in his corner
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Benjamin Button at the beginning of his life, that’s how.
apalmer
Footballguy
They were saving him for pass protection duties.
Chaka
Footballguy
He's a monster in my points per past protection league.
joey
Footballguy
He’s also killing it in my “number of years held onto with minimal results” league.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
He was the most valuable piece of the first orphan I adopted. Just a reminder that even in dynasty, things that seem solid can become very gelatinous, very quickly.
zamboni
Footballguy
Javonte will likely go down as one of those "what could have been" guys. Perhaps if he didn't have that devastating knee injury, he may have been the stud we thought he would be. Or maybe given the advent of medical advances, he is the same guy he was and would have busted anyway - guess we'll never know.
joey
Footballguy
BannedLaughEmoji!!!
I don’t roster him, but if I did I’d be more excited about this than him remaining in Denver.
On paper I like Denver a lot more.
I say that because 52 receptions and a little over 8 carries a game is pretty good work for someone fairly unproductive. The receptions in particular.
Maybe a change of scenery, new scheme, something of that nature will get him going.
I no longer roster him either, traded him away recently in our Sharkpool league and I took the offer that was made to me because I did not think usage was his issue. He kind of transformed from elite young player to his ex teammate. Samaje Perine. Third down skills/bruiser.
He would not make a on off-season roster of mine in FFPC. But like I said maybe a change is what he needed to get his mojo back.
Not sure if you want to view this as good news or bad news:
https://x.com/DavidMooreDMN
David Moore
@DavidMooreDMN
Landing RB Javonte Williams in free agency means that Rico Dowdle won’t return, a person w/ knowledge of the club’s thinking said. Williams is regarded as a comparable talent to Dowdle & more cost effective.Dallas is committed to selecting a RB in next month’s draft.
https://x.com/DavidMooreDMN
David Moore
@DavidMooreDMN
Landing RB Javonte Williams in free agency means that Rico Dowdle won’t return, a person w/ knowledge of the club’s thinking said. Williams is regarded as a comparable talent to Dowdle & more cost effective.Dallas is committed to selecting a RB in next month’s draft.
I guess I just see him as(when motivated) a better player than Dowdle, and the latter was pretty solid last year in Dallas. Denver seems married to the idea of utilizing some sort of split backfield. Maybe that’s more personnel related, who knows.
I still would expect Dallas to add RBs during the draft, but I haven’t cut the light out on Williams yet. Perhaps I’m a bit biased because I saw the dude run all over my local high school in the state championship many years ago lol.
joey
Footballguy
Thanks. Exactly what I’m expecting to happen.
I’m glad he got a second contract after all of his injuries. It’s pretty clear the injuries have sapped his power, explosiveness, and burst. Not really a needle mover, as it’s 50/50 if he’s actually an upgrade over Dowdle.
He’s likely a rotational back with whomever the Cowboys draft, unless is Jeanty, in which case Javonte is a pure backup. Could also be a backup if Cowboys take Hampton.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It’s more likely they take a RB in round 2 or later.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
Quinshon Judkins in Round 2
rockaction
Footballguy
Nobody is going to like what I'm saying, but I watched him extensively before picking him at #4 or #5 in a fantasy draft ages ago and was never impressed with him. He was a converted linebacker playing running back and he played like it (says the guy who is still holding Sione Vaki and thinks he'll be good in the pros).
This signing today shouldn't move the needle for Javonte rosterers. You'll likely not see him very on the field for Dallas unless they're really desperate.
There were some things I liked in his profile. Been awhile but I think he was one of if the leaders in the broken tackles in college, looked good in pass pro with some good hands.
But you remember that monster game Kadarious Toney had against Dallas his rookie year? That game stuck in my head for a few years and I had the hardest time giving up on Toney. It's kind of the same thing with Javonte. He had that one game his rookie year when Gordon was out and he had to carry the feature role and the first time he's tasked with doing that he throws down close to a 30 point fantasy monster night. That kind of stuff leaves you hanging on, making excuses, waiting for that moment to reappear.
I forgot to mention this earlier but I traded him a few weeks ago. I think I mentioned that part but not the rest of it. Heck now that I think about it I traded him to Zyprhos, the person who started this thread, just realized that for the first time. He made the offer and one of my thought processes before accepting was if he could land somewhere else and be better off.
Dallas is no cap the first place I thought off and was mulling if I should pass(was for Bigsby in league I have ETN, but I'm not that big on any of them). More I thought about it I concluded even if he goes to Dallas I'm good with this because it's not like he was not already in a fairly plum situation. He actually got 53% of the snaps and was the 5th most targeted RB in the entire league. I don't know some stats right now like goal line carries and such but this is kind of a good situation and he could not even crack 10 fantasy points a game. So yeah, I think you are right.
Zyprhos, if you reading this thanks for the trade and good luck. I think the trade made sense for both of us but I don't have a lot of expectations for either of them.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, this is exactly right. He was among the leaders in breaking tackles and was excellent in pass pro. He also had quite a few yards catching the ball (I believe Sam Howell was his QB and that he was teammates with Dyami Brown, if memory serves me correctly). I relate that information because he often had this gaping hole in the middle of the field on his receptions and he would just take off and go after slipping through an open-field arm tackle or something like that.
So there was stuff to really like about his profile and Denver thought so, too. It's just that they signed a still-effective Melvin Gordon the year of Javonte's rookie year. Then he had that huge game when Melvin got hurt (or was suspended by the team for DUI) and everybody went nuts. I traded him in the offseason along with A.J. Brown for Sutton, DK Metcalf, and the 1.01 that turned into Breece Hall. The next year, Javonte got hurt, which was a shame, and he was never the same again. But I had moved him because I liked Hall better and never fully trusted Brown on the Titans.
And my thought process was a simple one that might be erroneous, but it's the best I have. When a guy without a ton of speed (Javonte was a 4.62 or something—a 4.57 pro day, which puts him at a 39% speed score) is a tackle breaker and that's his mode of effectiveness in college, I get really wary about him. Pros tackle better. They're also in better tackling position because they're bigger and faster. In fantasy, as in the real football world, once you hit the second level, you better be fast, agile, and make people miss or you're not going to make it. Those extra twenty yards you get by making the safety miss are huge for a fantasy team and a real team. Javonte never could do that. He also—in the only run I saw him break—got caught easily from behind, couldn't believe it, slammed the football down in anger like he was spiking it, and picked up a fifteen-yard penalty.
I guess without running up and down a player's accomplishments in a negative way what I'm trying to say is he had good NFL characteristics, but was never going to be elite even without an injury to his knees. He couldn't afford to lose much already, and he did, and I pull for the guy, but his days as a starter are likely over.
I will say I almost got fooled by that comeback game this year and offered up a really good young receiver for Javonte and Sean Tucker, but the trade was thankfully rejected (I mean really thankfully), and I've moved on.
eta* Just read on ESPN (no link because it's a weird sort of pop-out free agency tracker) that Williams's average MPH was the slowest among all starting/qualifying running backs getting to the line of scrimmage. It's a 3.5 million dollar deal. It's backup money.
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rockaction
Footballguy
And if Zyphros ever checks back in to read a bit, here's a shout out to him. When I first got into dynasty he had been long into it, and he was an interesting read around here.
it is backup money. but I wasnt expecting starter money given the season he had. best case scenario for him is it is a timeshare of sorts and then the other time share guy gets hurt and he briefly becomes the bellcow.
but I'm not even sure that happens. I think Dallas still drafts someone and that person likely is ahead of him on the depth chart by midseason. hes probably a space filler until that kid they draft gets up to speed.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
finger's crossed. would be huge
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
looks like he's getting a chance
Blick
Footballguy
Feels like more than just a chance. Unless Sanders has a major resurgence, he’s in line for a lot of work.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought that ship had sailed already.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah so what is going on here? I really thought Javonte was pretty much done and was going to be just veteran depth in Dallas. Is he really going to be the guy? Sure looks that way today. Gotta bump him up considerably. The rookie Blue seems pretty small to compete for the lead back and not much draft capital in the 5th round, though Jerry Jones tried to trade up to get him a little earlier I heard.
Dobbins?
Dobbins?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, Dobbins if they have half a brain.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Javonte has effectively become a sleeper pick. At the right price, I’d grab him.
