JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’m a 33% dummy.
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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (3 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
Part of his starting % being that high is that everyone else is hurt.I’m a 33% dummy.
You likely just had other logical, healthy options.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I only started him because I felt desperate.Part of his starting % being that high is that everyone else is hurt.I’m a 33% dummy.
You likely just had other logical, healthy options.
efactor
Footballguy
Plus the matchupPart of his starting % being that high is that everyone else is hurt.I’m a 33% dummy.
You likely just had other logical, healthy options.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I started him & his 26
1st 2 rushing TDs of the year for that team.
Went from a big underdog to the favorite in my matchup. Nabers back.
Hopefully Kupp joins him in the lineup this week.
1st 2 rushing TDs of the year for that team.
Went from a big underdog to the favorite in my matchup. Nabers back.
Hopefully Kupp joins him in the lineup this week.
I also benched him. but given how hes been up til now, he probably should have been benched unless you absolutely needed a RB and he was the best you had.
hes not been good up til this week.
only reason I kept him this long is it looks like teams were stacking the box to force their rookie QB to beat them through the air. but Hes starting to show signs of being a player so that will happen less often. In the end, I kept him a week or two longer and now because of this week I'm probably still keeping him. for better or worse.
nittanylion
Footballguy
67.8, to be exact...and I was not in that majority.
Most notably, on one Team in particular, my current lead RB's are JCook and JMason, with JvWilliams headlining a bench comprised of Bigsby, Chandler, Charbonnet and Corum.
Up until Thursday night, I was running 4WR (2+2 in the flex spots), as I have AJBrown, MEvans, Diggs, Shaheed.
This Roster usually delegates Williams to a flex decision, but on Thursday, there were still questions about Cook and Mason availability, and Shaheed had already been deemed out for at least the week. I didn't put enough thought into the matchup, considering how the Bucs ran on the Saints on Sunday, but I pegged this game for an ugly crapfest, and figured that Saints D, back-to-back home games, would show better against an inferior offense led by a rookie QB on the road, on a short week. I banked on Cook and Mason improving, and if one of them didn't, or I got spooked by their tough matchups, that Bigsby and/or Chandler would suffice. As far as flex, the Cooper deal had just gone down, and I opted to play Njoku (TE premium) in the spot vacated by Shaheed. (Kelce is my lead TE here).
Yikes, I sure could have used that score. It's almost certain that at least a few of my starters isn't going to come remotely close to 26.10.
At least with Shaheed done for the year, Williams at home vs the Panthers in Week 8 will get the attention it deserves.
Most notably, on one Team in particular, my current lead RB's are JCook and JMason, with JvWilliams headlining a bench comprised of Bigsby, Chandler, Charbonnet and Corum.
Up until Thursday night, I was running 4WR (2+2 in the flex spots), as I have AJBrown, MEvans, Diggs, Shaheed.
This Roster usually delegates Williams to a flex decision, but on Thursday, there were still questions about Cook and Mason availability, and Shaheed had already been deemed out for at least the week. I didn't put enough thought into the matchup, considering how the Bucs ran on the Saints on Sunday, but I pegged this game for an ugly crapfest, and figured that Saints D, back-to-back home games, would show better against an inferior offense led by a rookie QB on the road, on a short week. I banked on Cook and Mason improving, and if one of them didn't, or I got spooked by their tough matchups, that Bigsby and/or Chandler would suffice. As far as flex, the Cooper deal had just gone down, and I opted to play Njoku (TE premium) in the spot vacated by Shaheed. (Kelce is my lead TE here).
Yikes, I sure could have used that score. It's almost certain that at least a few of my starters isn't going to come remotely close to 26.10.
At least with Shaheed done for the year, Williams at home vs the Panthers in Week 8 will get the attention it deserves.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah I get it. I truly was hesitant to put him back in my lineup. my other options at the time were Guerendo who I didn't and don't feel great about from the standpoint (at that moment) that I heard somewhat positive news about Mason, the possible involvement of Patrick Taylor, the fact that Mason has not been targeted in the passing game and they're playing the Chiefs. other options were D Johnson in London which isn't an option that I hate actually, but sort of had to take a breath and say no Javonte is the right call there. Or Mostert who I'd feel stronger about if Tua were healthy.
Proteus
Footballguy
Are you saying this is basically fool's gold? Because I'm desperate for a win(2-5), got McBride and Kraft at TE, and someone is trying to sell me Javonte for McBride.
To add humility, I'm the dumba$$ who cut Javonte weeks ago
efactor
Footballguy
I sold him for Amari Cooper even though I'm weak at RB. Obviously loved the 26 points last week, but without the TDs, he's a 8-12 point guy. Banking on Cooper hitting in Buffalo and thought it was worth the risk.
Yeah, I think he has decent week against the Panthers and then back to being a 6-10 point guy. I’m selling after this week.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
He’s young. I’m not giving up yet.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Have no idea what to do with him in redraft, you can't trust him
Chaka
Footballguy
If you're going to take a chance on starting him one week...
Chaka
Footballguy
The one thing I have always despised about a Sean Payton offense is how cute he gets near the goal line.
1st and goal from the one yard line? Of course send in the jumbo package and call two play action passes with the third TE as the primary receiver and if that doesn't work twice let the QB sneak it.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
He had shots from the 2 and 1 yard line on separate drives and failed both times.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Ouch, that is tough.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
You're just making stuff up. The Broncos never had a "1st and goal from the one yard line." And where does the "two play action passes" come from?The one thing I have always despised about a Sean Payton offense is how cute he gets near the goal line.
1st and goal from the one yard line? Of course send in the jumbo package and call two play action passes with the third TE as the primary receiver and if that doesn't work twice let the QB sneak it.
1st & Goal at CAR 4
(2:00 - 2nd) B.Nix scrambles right end to CAR 1 for 3 yards (D.Richardson).2nd & Goal at CAR 1
(1:47 - 2nd) M.Peart reported in as eligible. J.Williams right tackle to CAR 1 for no gain (A.Robinson).3rd & Goal at CAR 1
(1:12 - 2nd) B.Nix up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.W.Lutz extra point is GOOD, Center-M.Fraboni, Holder-R.Dixon.BlackCrowes
Footballguy
a common trait of all my RBs
steelcityman
Footballguy
Guess the sell window is closed again on Williams. I should know better by now to never use him. I really kicked myself this week with my lineups.
steelcityman
Footballguy
naa, had him in dynasty since his rookie year, i cant take it anymore. He is not useable. AKA useless.
But I dont need Darius Slayton or Calvin Austin either, so trade isnt really a viable option.
joey
Footballguy
Was gonna say a similar thing.
If you need to start him as an RB2, you’re in trouble.
If you need to start him as your flex in PPR, you need to be upgrading your flex position too.
Bench RB3. injury or bye week start.
How the (believed to be) mighty have fallen.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Never give a young player a chance to learn and grow. The FBG way!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
His time as the starting RB in Denver is OVER
- Taps
- Taps
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Doubtful IMO. Payton has always wanted to see what he had in Estime but he was on IR for a good part of the early season. Estime has also had major ball security issues since his first carry in preseason.
Javonte has been in and out of a funk all year but is by far the best pass protecting RB so I wouldn't expect him to fully go away unless Estime completely balls out (he was decent yesterday but not spectacular).
Payton loves to play with personnel packages (e.g. Mims got 3 carries) so I would suspect game planning also had something to do with Williams' minimal carries yesterday.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Feel bad for Javonte. The injuries sapped what could have been a special career. Is, and will continue to be, a JAG level committee back. Hope he can get a second contract.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Hmmm, I guess I was right after all. It’s too bad, I really liked this kid’s attitude and running style. He’s cooked though. Estime is not good and it’s bad news losing a job to him. That run of a few decent games must have been Javonte’s last gasp. 
Keep an eye on Badie if he’s able to come off IR.
Keep an eye on Badie if he’s able to come off IR.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Trade deadline passed, he's there for the duration.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Oh man, it was last week. No idea how I missed that. I thought it was this week. Must have slept through all the hype and chatter.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
For the most part RBs are a dime-a-dozen. A team is not going to trade for another team's backup RB unless it is purely for depth (Herbert/Akers/etc.). Rarely, if ever, do we see one teams backup RB get traded to a team where he becomes the RB1.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Lots of RBs have been traded in the past and this year. Doesn't matter if you try to qualify it "for depth" then list 2 good RBs in herbert and akers. Even a guy like CMC got traded. It can happen.
But the deadline is past, so looks like he can find a new home next year.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Completely missed point of trading BACKUP RBs, not CMC.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I know what I said and I said it for a reason. There are teams that could use an RB. And since DEN seems to not want to use Javonte he's better served on another team.
My point is, he's only 24 and when they were using him and actually giving him touches he was doing well. I feel he would do better on a team that wants to feature him. Payton doesn't seem to want to so they might have well traded him and got something in return. I really think this is Payton being stubborn.
Javonte right now is the teams best RB(1) right now. Maybe down the road another back becomes the true lead guy but I think Payton will just keep rotating guys in and now and it being a mess.
So, Javonte on another team next year is ideal - he should have been traded this year.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
It's almost unbelievable what he and Pierce achieved in their rookie years watching them now. They're both broke. I wouldn't be surprised if both get another shot on another team next season, and maybe a change of scenery is exactly what they need, but I think the problem is mental at this point and I'm not sure you can repair a mindset as easily as you can a ligament.
Birdie048
Footballguy
"Hello Mr. Payton, Jerry Jones is on line 1 asking about your hair piece!"
part of this problem is the O line has been dinged up and not performing like they should. part is that he just needs to be better.
he looks better than he did last year but still not the player he was before his injury. but then again before he got hurt he never put up RB1 numbers but people figured with more reps he would. so the sample size was maybe too small to say for sure he was a player, but admittedly he did look real good. some backs just cant keep the intensity level up when the reps go up. maybe hes one of those guys. hard to say for sure.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I think it's more likely we're seeing how razor thin the margin is in the NFL between special and ordinary. A guy that looks great loses 2% of what he had and at the most elite levels of competition it's a death knell.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I've always looked at it this way. Most of the athletes in the NFL are elite, sure there exceptions to every rule like Tyreek Hill or Calvin Johnson but as a rule - Some players don't become stars because of work ethic. Some don't reach their potential because of a mental hurdle. Injuries can most certainly help players develop a mental hurdle. The injury Williams suffered was bad, but by all accounts he's back to where he was physically. I just don't see the same player out there. He got his knee blown up fighting for an extra yard. Maybe that's something he just can't shake?
Pierce has got another year on his rookie contract, likely going to be stuck backing up Mixon again for 2025
