RB Javonte Williams, DAL (1 Viewer)

[Jacob's Ladder]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

It’s also possible that Javonte simply never was that good. The thing that worried me about his college production was how much of it came from yards after contact. While the “elusiveness ratings” are usually based on that stat, it’s actually misleading: some RBs get yards after contact via aggressive cuts or evading defenders, and others do it by trucking over smaller defenders. It’s pretty clear that Javonte isn’t really “elusive” — he was just big enough to barrel through college guys. But now he’s in the pros, and he simply can’t do that. His lack of agility and burst is more apparent now.

I believe all of the above was true before his injury, but he’s clearly lost a half-step since the injury, so he’s gone from being average at best to way below average now.

Just my take. Could be wrong.

 

[Chaka]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

I think this does not quite reflect reality. His running has been terrible but he's been objectively very good in the passing game.

How do we reconcile that?

 

[Saint]

I stand by the earlier analysis. Tons of guys in the box, lack of vision, and he’s been indecisive in hitting the hole. If one of this things get fixed, he’ll get better. If not, then he’s going to continue to suck monkey balls.

 

[Proteus]

In addition to the other well-studied knocks on Williams on this page, he's from a pre-Sean Payton regime and we all know what that can be like when you think of the catastrophic Russell Wilson experiment.

I've moved on from Willams, even in a 14 teamer.

 

[Chaka]

In addition to the other well-studied knocks on Williams on this page, he's from a pre-Sean Payton regime and we all know what that can be like when you think of the catastrophic Russell Wilson experiment.

I've moved on from Willams, even in a 14 teamer.

Where do you stand on his trade potential?

Ending up with a team that "wants" him. I'm thinking the Cowboys. Does that increase his value?

 

[JohnnyU]

In addition to the other well-studied knocks on Williams on this page, he's from a pre-Sean Payton regime and we all know what that can be like when you think of the catastrophic Russell Wilson experiment.

I've moved on from Willams, even in a 14 teamer.

Where do you stand on his trade potential?

Ending up with a team that "wants" him. I'm thinking the Cowboys. Does that increase his value?

It would, but probably only temporarily

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

It’s also possible that Javonte simply never was that good. The thing that worried me about his college production was how much of it came from yards after contact. While the “elusiveness ratings” are usually based on that stat, it’s actually misleading: some RBs get yards after contact via aggressive cuts or evading defenders, and others do it by trucking over smaller defenders. It’s pretty clear that Javonte isn’t really “elusive” — he was just big enough to barrel through college guys. But now he’s in the pros, and he simply can’t do that. His lack of agility and burst is more apparent now.

I believe all of the above was true before his injury, but he’s clearly lost a half-step since the injury, so he’s gone from being average at best to way below average now.

Just my take. Could be wrong.

He might not have been very good, TBH I disagree with that sentiment, but I don't think anyone can argue that he ran exceedingly hard. Watching him his rookie year felt like he would run like every carry might be his last. He broke a ton of tackles, he got the extra yard, he always fell forward and a lot of times even broke free for longer gains. He really was impressive pre-injury, even in the NFL.

It's just not that way anymore. He doesn't run hard. He doesn't break tackles. He doesn't try to get the extra yard. He doesn't stay on his feet. Maybe that comes from being injured the way he was. Maybe he really is mentally broken.

 

[Proteus]

In addition to the other well-studied knocks on Williams on this page, he's from a pre-Sean Payton regime and we all know what that can be like when you think of the catastrophic Russell Wilson experiment.

I've moved on from Willams, even in a 14 teamer.

Where do you stand on his trade potential?

Ending up with a team that "wants" him. I'm thinking the Cowboys. Does that increase his value?

It would, but probably only temporarily

I concur. He'd have to prove it and quickly. I don't see it happening but power to him if he pulls what would be tantamount to what Dobbins seems to be doing. Remains to be seen whether that too was a mirage.

 

[crushedspirit]

There's still a pulse

 

[Uncle Leo]

There's still a pulse

Going against a tough D
Line is worse than I thought
QB play reminded me of Bryce Young

 

[kface]

Just when i was ready to drop him

 

[Uncle Leo]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

 

[Stoneworker]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

 

[JohnnyU]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

Hang on to the water wagon old timer.

 

[Stoneworker]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

Hang on to the water wagon old timer.

Nah. Not when someone comes in here with an unsolicited personal attack.

 

[Chaka]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

Hang on to the water wagon old timer.

Nah. Not when someone comes in here with an unsolicited personal attack.

How often do you solicit personal attacks?

 

[electric Ape]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

The “Javonte is done!” take was/is bad. I’ve been advising a buy low on Javonte because the gloom and doom talk seemed so obviously premature. Most fantasy owners are too emotional and too impatient and you can take advantage of that.

That said, I wouldn’t advise any major victory laps after this game. Payton opened wanting to make this an ugly 3 RB split and barring the weird Badie injury Javonte could have easily repeated the pattern of getting 8 carries and none of the second half salt the game away work which is the only time the Broncos running game has looked decent. He finally got those carries and ran well in a win so maybe his future usage is better but that is uncertain.

Javonte didn’t suddenly forget how to play football. His knee isn’t hopelessly shredded, when he gets in space he looks pretty close to rookie year Javonte. But he is in a bad offense with a bad QB facing lots of stacked boxes. And worst of all he’s under a coaching staff that has not shown much commitment or belief in him. This game was a positive step forward but as a fantasy asset Javonte is still in murky waters

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

The “Javonte is done!” take was/is bad. I’ve been advising a buy low on Javonte because the gloom and doom talk seemed so obviously premature. Most fantasy owners are too emotional and too impatient and you can take advantage of that.

That said, I wouldn’t advise any major victory laps after this game. Payton opened wanting to make this an ugly 3 RB split and barring the weird Badie injury Javonte could have easily repeated the pattern of getting 8 carries and none of the second half salt the game away work which is the only time the Broncos running game has looked decent. He finally got those carries and ran well in a win so maybe his future usage is better but that is uncertain.

Javonte didn’t suddenly forget how to play football. His knee isn’t hopelessly shredded, when he gets in space he looks pretty close to rookie year Javonte. But he is in a bad offense with a bad QB facing lots of stacked boxes. And worst of all he’s under a coaching staff that has not shown much commitment or belief in him. This game was a positive step forward but as a fantasy asset Javonte is still in murky waters

I wish you the best, but he is cooked. If you're running victory laps based on this game though, you might be a bit premature. This was a sloppy game where no one could get a clean footing and Denver won throwing for 60 yards. Let's see what happens as we move forward. I never suggested he forgot how to play football, just that the way his last injury happened might be impacting his play...mentally.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

 

[JohnnyU]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

When you have Rachaad White, Zach Moss, and Stevenson. Javonte’s 10 gives you hope.

 

[Chaka]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

I don't see anyone running victory laps. I see tentative optimism as opposed to the number of "He's done" posts which are perfunctory, overly confident and unnecessarily severe.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

When you have Rachaad White, Zach Moss, and Stevenson. Javonte’s 10 gives you hope.

Did you start him this week?

 

[Chaka]

He had a decent game on the road again strong defense with virtually zero support from the passing game.

Is any of that a mischaracterization?

 

[crushedspirit]

He's on my bench holdings hands with Zamir and Ford

Don't plan on using him yet, but it's always nice to see a pulse with bye weeks coming.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Just add, he scored 8 points in standard leagues and 10 in PPR, and Javante truthers are running victory laps. Goes to show just how bad he's become.

When you have Rachaad White, Zach Moss, and Stevenson. Javonte’s 10 gives you hope.

Did you start him this week?

Nope.

 

[electric Ape]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

The “Javonte is done!” take was/is bad. I’ve been advising a buy low on Javonte because the gloom and doom talk seemed so obviously premature. Most fantasy owners are too emotional and too impatient and you can take advantage of that.

That said, I wouldn’t advise any major victory laps after this game. Payton opened wanting to make this an ugly 3 RB split and barring the weird Badie injury Javonte could have easily repeated the pattern of getting 8 carries and none of the second half salt the game away work which is the only time the Broncos running game has looked decent. He finally got those carries and ran well in a win so maybe his future usage is better but that is uncertain.

Javonte didn’t suddenly forget how to play football. His knee isn’t hopelessly shredded, when he gets in space he looks pretty close to rookie year Javonte. But he is in a bad offense with a bad QB facing lots of stacked boxes. And worst of all he’s under a coaching staff that has not shown much commitment or belief in him. This game was a positive step forward but as a fantasy asset Javonte is still in murky waters

I wish you the best, but he is cooked. If you're running victory laps based on this game though, you might be a bit premature. This was a sloppy game where no one could get a clean footing and Denver won throwing for 60 yards. Let's see what happens as we move forward. I never suggested he forgot how to play football, just that the way his last injury happened might be impacting his play...mentally.

I agree with Chaka. If you read my post that you quoted I’m advising against anyone taking a victory lap, not taking one myself.

My argument before the game was that 24 carries is too small of a sample to draw final conclusions or condemn a talented player forever. If you’re willing to bury Javonte on only ~20 week 1-3 carries where he looked bad then why do you completely ignore the ~20 carries today when he played well? I don’t know you but it kind of seems like you’re locked in on a take and unwilling to consider new data. Put differently you’re in the feelings zone, not the data zone.

Other parts of your message also give me the stuck in the feelings zone impression. If I’m understanding you correctly you’re saying that Javonte is cooked forever because you believe his 2022 injury damaged his mental state? Again I don’t want to be unnecessarily mean or disrespectful but in the great hierarchy of fantasy analysis a guy commenting on the medicals of a player he’s never personally evaluated is bad and a guy speculating on the mental state of a player he’s never met would be as close to worthless as fantasy analysis can get.

 

[Chaka]

I agree with Chaka.

Naturally.

Honestly, I'm surprised JB hasn't simply renamed the SP to "I agree with Chaka."

I mean, it only makes sense.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I only post here 2-3 months per year, but I’m starting to remember why Stoneworker is on my ignore list. He’s built a brick walk impossible to have a conversation through.

Regards to Javonte, are we forgetting his mind might be broken worse than his body after the devastating injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s almost been 2 years.

He is done. This version of Javonte wouldn’t get drafted. He might not make a practice squad. He looks broken physically and mentally.

Premature much?

- 16-77 4.8/ypc
- 5 carries of 9+ yards

The “Javonte is done!” take was/is bad. I’ve been advising a buy low on Javonte because the gloom and doom talk seemed so obviously premature. Most fantasy owners are too emotional and too impatient and you can take advantage of that.

That said, I wouldn’t advise any major victory laps after this game. Payton opened wanting to make this an ugly 3 RB split and barring the weird Badie injury Javonte could have easily repeated the pattern of getting 8 carries and none of the second half salt the game away work which is the only time the Broncos running game has looked decent. He finally got those carries and ran well in a win so maybe his future usage is better but that is uncertain.

Javonte didn’t suddenly forget how to play football. His knee isn’t hopelessly shredded, when he gets in space he looks pretty close to rookie year Javonte. But he is in a bad offense with a bad QB facing lots of stacked boxes. And worst of all he’s under a coaching staff that has not shown much commitment or belief in him. This game was a positive step forward but as a fantasy asset Javonte is still in murky waters

I wish you the best, but he is cooked. If you're running victory laps based on this game though, you might be a bit premature. This was a sloppy game where no one could get a clean footing and Denver won throwing for 60 yards. Let's see what happens as we move forward. I never suggested he forgot how to play football, just that the way his last injury happened might be impacting his play...mentally.

I agree with Chaka. If you read my post that you quoted I’m advising against anyone taking a victory lap, not taking one myself.

My argument before the game was that 24 carries is too small of a sample to draw final conclusions or condemn a talented player forever. If you’re willing to bury Javonte on only ~20 week 1-3 carries where he looked bad then why do you completely ignore the ~20 carries today when he played well? I don’t know you but it kind of seems like you’re locked in on a take and unwilling to consider new data. Put differently you’re in the feelings zone, not the data zone.

Other parts of your message also give me the stuck in the feelings zone impression. If I’m understanding you correctly you’re saying that Javonte is cooked forever because you believe his 2022 injury damaged his mental state? Again I don’t want to be unnecessarily mean or disrespectful but in the great hierarchy of fantasy analysis a guy commenting on the medicals of a player he’s never personally evaluated is bad and a guy speculating on the mental state of a player he’s never met would be as close to worthless as fantasy analysis can get.

Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. Meant to quote the poster you quoted. Your take is pretty much spot on save for the stuff about me. You're off base there.

In regards to your question, I'm not sure if Javonte is cooked "forever," he just looks that way. He's well past his injury, from a medical standpoint anyway, and he just doesn't look like the same guy. Could he return to form? Undoubtedly, but I'm not going to be the guy that bets on it. In fact, I would be the guy that bets against. He doesn't pass the eye test anymore.

 

[Stoneworker]

Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. Meant to quote the poster you quoted. Your take is pretty much spot on save for the stuff about me. You're off base there.

In regards to your question, I'm not sure if Javonte is cooked "forever," he just looks that way. He's well past his injury, from a medical standpoint anyway, and he just doesn't look like the same guy. Could he return to form? Undoubtedly, but I'm not going to be the guy that bets on it. In fact, I would be the guy that bets against. He doesn't pass the eye test anymore.

^ This sounds like a politician trying to have it both ways.

So then the next time you post, "he is cooked," "he is done," "he wouldn't make a practice squad," "he wouldn't get drafted," "he's broken mentally and physically," "and "he's one-dimensional," it's really incumbent on the readers to add "but maybe not forever" to the end of it?

 

[jm192]

I was pretty done with him last week.

Today was decent. The passing game sucked. He had 16 for 77. He got a few catches that he did nothing with. But he led the team in rushing attempts, nearly double McLaughlin. Badie lost a fumble and I think got hurt. Maybe the world is different if that doesn't happen. But Javonte against a tough defense, had a solid day.

He had 43% of Denver's yards from scrimmage!

The Denver defense is FANTASTIC. They've been in every game so far this season. They've given up a total of 29 points in their last 3 outings. To restate, they're giving up less than 10 points a game. They're creating these muddy, ugly, rock fight games.

I think the game scripts are going to be favorable more often than not. Looking at their schedule: @ Baltimore, @KC, MAYBE @New Orleans, MAYBE @Cini (Bengals have only looked really good offensively vs crap defenses).

The majority of their games are going to be games where they're playing defense, running the ball, and trying to control the clock.

Now if he turns into a pumpkin, none of it will matter. But today was promising. There's no victory lap. I thought Javonte was going to be a top 15 RB. At this point, I'm hoping he's usable. But I'm optomistic about the usable part.

 

[jm192]

I'll also add:

I've got a league (12 teams, 2 flex spots), I started Jerry Jeudy, Tre Tucker, and Michael Wilson. Injuries are for real. Gus Edwards is worse than Javonte. And Javonte against the Jets seemed like the wrong play. Now with the Bye week, I'm STILL not getting to play AJ Brown.

I frequent the WDIS threads here and on a few different discords. Most people have multiple teams hurting for guys they can start. Javonte coming off 18 touches seems flexible to me.

 

[Big Nate]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

 

[kface]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

It's fantasy football-70% of posts are about people chasing the shiny new thing

 

[Big Nate]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

It's fantasy football-70% of posts are about people chasing the shiny new thing

I've been simmering on a post for a few weeks now but it really stems back a year or 2 with all the social media posts and hype about the next best thing.

Then when we get into the games the coaches go with the vets who have done it before. Everyone is like "oh he's old" blah blah - Zack Moss sucks etc... but yet here we are and Moss is producing and still the lead back.

Back to Javonte. The truth for him probably lies somewhere in the middle - he's not as bad as people want to make it out to be as shown by his good runs this week. He's probably not elite either as some hoped he would be.

Realistically he could be a serviceable back each week getting you 10-15 points if he continues to be the lead guy.

 

[Banger]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

It's fantasy football-70% of posts are about people chasing the shiny new thing

I've been simmering on a post for a few weeks now but it really stems back a year or 2 with all the social media posts and hype about the next best thing.

Then when we get into the games the coaches go with the vets who have done it before. Everyone is like "oh he's old" blah blah - Zack Moss sucks etc... but yet here we are and Moss is producing and still the lead back.

Back to Javonte. The truth for him probably lies somewhere in the middle - he's not as bad as people want to make it out to be as shown by his good runs this week. He's probably not elite either as some hoped he would be.

Realistically he could be a serviceable back each week getting you 10-15 points if he continues to be the lead guy.

10 has been his ceiling so far. I really don't care about snap share and some of these other meaningless stats....production is what matters and he hasn't produced. I cut him last week and I picked up Emanual Wilson. Yesterday was a best case scenario game with the weather and game script and he got 9 points. I'll use that roster spot on a home run guy vs a low floor / low ceiling player.

 

[Saint]

I agree with Chaka.

Naturally.

Honestly, I'm surprised JB hasn't simply renamed the SP to "I agree with Chaka."

I mean, it only makes sense.

** Laugh emoji ** delayed a bit... really missing that emoki.

 

[the moops]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

It's fantasy football-70% of posts are about people chasing the shiny new thing

I've been simmering on a post for a few weeks now but it really stems back a year or 2 with all the social media posts and hype about the next best thing.

Then when we get into the games the coaches go with the vets who have done it before. Everyone is like "oh he's old" blah blah - Zack Moss sucks etc... but yet here we are and Moss is producing and still the lead back.

Back to Javonte. The truth for him probably lies somewhere in the middle - he's not as bad as people want to make it out to be as shown by his good runs this week. He's probably not elite either as some hoped he would be.

Realistically he could be a serviceable back each week getting you 10-15 points if he continues to be the lead guy.

10 has been his ceiling so far. I really don't care about snap share and some of these other meaningless stats....production is what matters and he hasn't produced. I cut him last week and I picked up Emanual Wilson. Yesterday was a best case scenario game with the weather and game script and he got 9 points. I'll use that roster spot on a home run guy vs a low floor / low ceiling player.

In ppr he averaged 11.5 points last year. He didnt run for over 100 in any game. I think he is what he is. A low end RB3 or RB4 with limited upside but a guy that will generally get you those 10 points week by week

 

[Saint]

So last week I posted a bunch of metrics about JW's issues from Rushing efficiency, 8+ defenders, Avg Time behind LOS and ROYE/Att. So after a fairly successful day against a tough defense, what changed? Let's look at stats.

• Rushing efficiency is calculated by taking the total distance a player traveled on rushing plays as a ball carrier according to Next Gen Stats (measured in yards) per rushing yards gained. The lower the number, the more of a North/South runner.
  • Javonte has been averaging 6.54, but this week, he averaged 2.94. Half of his normal. Last week I stated he was dancing a lot and not hitting the hole decisively. Didn't see this issue this week.
• 8+ Defenders in the Box (8+D%).On every play, Next Gen Stats calculates how many defenders are stacked in the box at snap. Using that logic, DIB% calculates how often does a rusher see 8 or more defenders in the box against them.
  • Javonte has been averaging 54.17% against 8 men in the box. This week: 12.5%.
  • The defense definitely did not cover the run as effectively and put some pressure on the pass side, probably based on Nix's play in Week 3. This opened opportunities for running.
• Avg Time Behind Line Of Scrimmage (TLOS). Next Gen Stats measures the amount of time a ball carrier spends (measured to the 10th of a second) before crossing the Line of Scrimmage. TLOS is the average time behind the LOS on all rushing plays where the player is the rusher.
  • Javonte had averaged 2.97 TLOS. This week: 2.85. Slightly better. This is similar to players like Aaron Jones, Kamara, etc.
• Rush Yards over Expected per Attempt (RYOE/Att): Rushing yards over expected per attempt (RYOE/Att) looks at the number of yards per carry gained than expected. That might indicate a talented running back who can break and miss tackles or an efficient player.
  • Through week 3, Javonte has been the 3rd worst at -2.03 meaning he is averaging 2 yards LESS than what he should be everytime he touches the ball. This week, he was at 0.8. Which meant he netted almost a full yard more than expected. Middle of the road.

Now interpreting all this. Reasons for hope certainly, but only if the QB play is adequate. After this week's performance, I'm concerned defenses are going to go back to stacking the box against Javonte. He owned the 4th quarter... When they play calling shifted back to passing, they were going 3 & out. By no means do I think JW is done, but if Nix can't put some competent QB play (and 12of 25 for 60 yards ain't going to cut it), I have no faith in any of this backfield.

 

[Big Nate]

So, in dynasty what would you be willing to trade for Javonte? He's still only 24 and could find himself on a new team next year.

As for this year, he's still getting over 50% of the snaps. 16 carries for 77 yards is not too bad from a box score perspective. 4.81ypc was his best so far this year.

Seems his value has tanked so hard it might be worth the risk of picking him up. maybe the owner is willing to part with him for a cheap price.

 

[Banger]

Just when i was ready to drop him

Still worth a drop if you can get someone like Chase Brown.

Each league is different but Brown had his first good week and no one was starting him this week unless the were down bad and desperate. Brown hadn't gotten more than 30% snap rate. Even this week he only had 40%.

I don't get these comments because Brown hadn't done anything until this week and Moss isn't going anywhere either. Moss has 3 TDs on the year and has produced 3 of the 4 weeks.

Moss is still the lead back for CIN. Brown is worth rostering but no guarantee he gets more than 30% of the snaps each week. Need to see more consistency.

It's fantasy football-70% of posts are about people chasing the shiny new thing

I've been simmering on a post for a few weeks now but it really stems back a year or 2 with all the social media posts and hype about the next best thing.

Then when we get into the games the coaches go with the vets who have done it before. Everyone is like "oh he's old" blah blah - Zack Moss sucks etc... but yet here we are and Moss is producing and still the lead back.

Back to Javonte. The truth for him probably lies somewhere in the middle - he's not as bad as people want to make it out to be as shown by his good runs this week. He's probably not elite either as some hoped he would be.

Realistically he could be a serviceable back each week getting you 10-15 points if he continues to be the lead guy.

10 has been his ceiling so far. I really don't care about snap share and some of these other meaningless stats....production is what matters and he hasn't produced. I cut him last week and I picked up Emanual Wilson. Yesterday was a best case scenario game with the weather and game script and he got 9 points. I'll use that roster spot on a home run guy vs a low floor / low ceiling player.

In ppr he averaged 11.5 points last year. He didnt run for over 100 in any game. I think he is what he is. A low end RB3 or RB4 with limited upside but a guy that will generally get you those 10 points week by week

and what did Achane average? This is a new year. It's about roster construction as well. I'm not interested in my last RB spot to be a low floor guy with little upside.

 

[BlackCrowes]

seems like a decent matchup this week if Badie is out.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Having a solid fantasy first half.
12 points so far.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cut him then picked him back up after he cleared wiaivers, seemed like a better option than Trey Benson at the end of my bench

 

[crushedspirit]

Two weeks in a row showing some life

 

[BlackCrowes]

1/2 yard short of a TD. Then they did that idiotic reach the ball over the line play

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t know why they went away from him in the 2nd half. He was their best player.

 

[The Frankman]

Javonte Williams rushed 13 times for 61 yards and caught 5-of-6 targets for 50 yards in the Broncos’ Week 5 win over the Raiders.

Williams’ five catches and six targets all came in the first half. He was the only Broncos pass catcher to enter halftime with more than one reception yet Sean Payton sharply reduced Williams’ workload in the second half, deploying Jaleel McLaughlin at a near-even rate. Williams is an RB2 against the Chargers in Week 6, functioning as the Broncos’ only reliable skill position player.
- Rotoworld

Yea I thought this was weird. I figured he had gotten nicked up and Payton was managing his snaps, but I flipped to the game and he didn't look hurt in the 2nd half.

 

[electric Ape]

I don’t know why they went away from him in the 2nd half. He was their best player.

It looked like he suffered a minor injury, possibly to his ankle. After his 2nd to last carry he motioned to the sideline to take him out and they replaced him with Jaleel. Javonte was out on the first play of the next series, he got a carry, and it sure looked like he took himself out again. Then no more snaps but the game was well out of hand.

I saw him in a post game interview and he seemed normal so I doubt he’s dealing with anything serious.