JohnnyU
Footballguy
What reason would that be? The only one I can think of is Najee Harris, because he's deeply in love with him
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RB Jaylen Warren, PIT (1 Viewer)
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I think they compliment each other well. Najee obviously is much bigger and more of a traditional between the tackles size guy that also has some chops in the passing game. Last night, however his flaws in the passing game showed up. The overall Steelers offense still benefits from being able to run out of passing situations with Warren and pass out of running situations with Najee. Najee looked good on a few of his runs last night.
Warren definitely makes more guys miss (consistently), is better as a pass catcher (to my eye) and doesn't give up much of an edge to Najee in short area power/ extra yard after he's seemingly wrapped up. But having Najee to pound it into the stuffed boxes (not that they should be doing too much of that) does overall benefit the offense and Warren.
Unless I missed it, I haven't really heard too much out of Waldman other than eluding to how much heavier the boxes are that Najee is running into. I wish he'd go in more detail --what about Warren's movement and decision making are leading to his success because for those of us that watch the games, there's definitely something to it. It's been over a year at this point so it's not as if his success is an aberration.
The issue with PIT's offense isn't a lack of talented RB options. It's the push up front, the penalties, the protection, the playcalling, the lack of execution by Pickett and Pickens. I'm not even sure Pickett is as bad as people think he is. Granted, nobody's fully healthy in week 9 but we all saw what happened to Herbert with those ribs last year. Fully healthy Pickett with Friermuth and a sidelines-Canada. They might be a middle of the pack offense with the ability to hang 30+ with some frequency. Diontae is a really good wide receiver IMO.
I'm not sure that more than a 10-15% shift in Warren vs Najee would move the needle much for this offense. I have Warren in two places this year so I'd be into it but I don't see why the team would do it.
Warren definitely makes more guys miss (consistently), is better as a pass catcher (to my eye) and doesn't give up much of an edge to Najee in short area power/ extra yard after he's seemingly wrapped up. But having Najee to pound it into the stuffed boxes (not that they should be doing too much of that) does overall benefit the offense and Warren.
Unless I missed it, I haven't really heard too much out of Waldman other than eluding to how much heavier the boxes are that Najee is running into. I wish he'd go in more detail --what about Warren's movement and decision making are leading to his success because for those of us that watch the games, there's definitely something to it. It's been over a year at this point so it's not as if his success is an aberration.
The issue with PIT's offense isn't a lack of talented RB options. It's the push up front, the penalties, the protection, the playcalling, the lack of execution by Pickett and Pickens. I'm not even sure Pickett is as bad as people think he is. Granted, nobody's fully healthy in week 9 but we all saw what happened to Herbert with those ribs last year. Fully healthy Pickett with Friermuth and a sidelines-Canada. They might be a middle of the pack offense with the ability to hang 30+ with some frequency. Diontae is a really good wide receiver IMO.
I'm not sure that more than a 10-15% shift in Warren vs Najee would move the needle much for this offense. I have Warren in two places this year so I'd be into it but I don't see why the team would do it.
efactor
Footballguy
That's it. The ultimate sacrifice in the name of loveWhat reason would that be? The only one I can think of is Najee Harris, because he's deeply in love with him
Balco
Footballguy
I don’t think that’s over the top at all, both from watching him run and the fact he averaged 4.9 yards a carry last season and is averaging 4.7 this year. He is a superior running back to Najee Harris in every facet, in my opinion.
efactor
Footballguy
Before last night, he was averaging 3.9. He doesn't have a lot of carries so it can go up or down fairly easily based on one good or bad game. If he was a "great" runner, he would be the starting RB.
We literally heard the exact same thing about Tony Pollard the last two years. "He's so superior to Zeke in every facet". And he was when he played a limited, secondary role. It's tougher sledding being the starting RB and working the middle of the field more which is what Pollard is finding out this year.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
We said the same thing about “Ekeler to Gordon” too .. Maybe, Warren is the better player at this point
the spanker
Footballguy
That bounce out run Warren ran down to the one yard line was a thing of beauty.
He looked like he was shot out of a cannon.
Apologies to Najee owners but I don't see him replicating that burst or speed to turn the corner the way Warren did.
He looked like he was shot out of a cannon.
Apologies to Najee owners but I don't see him replicating that burst or speed to turn the corner the way Warren did.
sportsphysio
Footballguy
In regards to Pollard, a lot of it has to do with playcalling. Trying to use Pollard in the same manner as Zeke isn’t playing to his strengths.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
The Mike McCarthy effect.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
About the only thing he's good for is if you have his kicker.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
2025 possibly (RFA).
Ilov80s
Footballguy
True and the Pitt offense could change in the meantime but by 2025 he will be 27 and probably entering the decline of his career. I like him a lot as a player, I wish I liked his dynasty outlook more.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Oh I don't know, Mostert is 31 and is having big games this year, so 27 doesn't look all that bad. Especially with low miles.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
True mileage is low. Though Mostert seems like the exception more than the rule.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Looks like he's taken over as the Steelers starting RB.
www.cbssports.com
From undrafted to starting role, Steelers RB Jaylen Warren proving doubters wrong after career-best game
Warren: 'I've always been doubted, but I never let it get to me'
www.cbssports.com
He was introduced WITH the starters. Pretty sure Harris was the first RB on the field. Dont think this changes anything. This will be a 50/50 split all year and both guys are producing RB2 #s right now.Looks like he's taken over as the Steelers starting RB.
From undrafted to starting role, Steelers RB Jaylen Warren proving doubters wrong after career-best game
Warren: 'I've always been doubted, but I never let it get to me'
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it means a lot - he's been better than Harris, and his steadily increasing role seems to indicate the Steelers see it, too.He was introduced WITH the starters. Pretty sure Harris was the first RB on the field. Dont think this changes anything. This will be a 50/50 split all year and both guys are producing RB2 #s right now.Looks like he's taken over as the Steelers starting RB.
From undrafted to starting role, Steelers RB Jaylen Warren proving doubters wrong after career-best game
Warren: 'I've always been doubted, but I never let it get to me'
You said 50-50 like that was the expectation, when at the beginning of the year, most saw Warren as the COP/Receiving back, in line for a ~25-30% share. I wouldn't be surprised to see 60-40 Warren from here out. Kid's a baller
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Warren is SIGNIFICANTLY faster and more elusive, if the Steelers intend to win, they have to feed this kid and keep him fresh.
50/50 has been the split the last two weeks.I think it means a lot - he's been better than Harris, and his steadily increasing role seems to indicate the Steelers see it, too.He was introduced WITH the starters. Pretty sure Harris was the first RB on the field. Dont think this changes anything. This will be a 50/50 split all year and both guys are producing RB2 #s right now.Looks like he's taken over as the Steelers starting RB.
From undrafted to starting role, Steelers RB Jaylen Warren proving doubters wrong after career-best game
Warren: 'I've always been doubted, but I never let it get to me'
You said 50-50 like that was the expectation, when at the beginning of the year, most saw Warren as the COP/Receiving back, in line for a ~25-30% share. I wouldn't be surprised to see 60-40 Warren from here out. Kid's a baller
Im saying I dont think it changes much from the past two weeks
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And he’s a better receiver.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Harris is a very good receiver.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And Warren has been better
From what I’ve seen, Harris isn’t as fluid. Warren catches it in stride while Harris slows up looking back for the ball.
TapRackBang
Footballguy
If it's a 50/50 split, why name him the starter?
Makes zero sense to suggest it'll continue to be a split.
Anybody who's ever watched football knows Warren is the superior RB on the Steelers roster.
Anybody who says differently owns Harris.
Makes zero sense to suggest it'll continue to be a split.
Anybody who's ever watched football knows Warren is the superior RB on the Steelers roster.
Anybody who says differently owns Harris.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Steelers were messing around Sunday. Pickens was not named starter for the first time this season and led the team in targets.
Again this was mentioned FRIDAY before Sunday's game. He was announced WITH the starters. So was Najee harris. BOTH were announced as starters.
the spanker
Footballguy
Harris now needs to become the COP back. Free Warren to let this ascending stud EAT!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
three weeks from now we'll be complaining about that plodder Warren and his 2.7 YPC since they made him starter, and fresh legs Najee is averaging 6 yards a pop with the fun part of the playbook.
I'm kidding (mostly)
Warren has had remarkable consistency to his production all year while in a 50/50 share. Looking forward to seeing if this situation evolves slightly going forward. Wouldn't take much for him to go from reliable Flex to high end RB2 with upside.
I'm kidding (mostly)
Warren has had remarkable consistency to his production all year while in a 50/50 share. Looking forward to seeing if this situation evolves slightly going forward. Wouldn't take much for him to go from reliable Flex to high end RB2 with upside.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They’ve been changing things all year, getting Warren more and more touches.
Steeler
Footballguy
The Steelers are notoriously slow to make personnel changes. I think Warren is much better than Harris, but I'd be shocked if the split went over 60/40 on a consistent basis going forward. Also, the Steelers running game is starting to click so I doubt they will be eager to change anything. FWIW, I don't own either of these guys.
Also - this whole conversation reinforces the idea that drafting Harris in the first round was a bad idea.
Also - this whole conversation reinforces the idea that drafting Harris in the first round was a bad idea.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Plus he was older for a rookie.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a significant truth bomb right there.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So much for Warren starting. Haven't even seen him yet.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He had several good runs, but so has Harris
titusbramble
Footballguy
I want to see some team commit to 4WR/1TE personnel on the first offensive play of every game just to rustle people who care about which back is the "starter"
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Long TD. Whelp, nice work warren
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
since the bye week:
- Week 7 RB24
- Week 8 RB36
- Week 9 RB16
- Week 10 RB11
- Week 11 RB2* (early games, tbd)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Especially considering Najee
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Since Week 7, Jaylen Warren is:
- 33rd in rushing attempts
- 2nd in rushing yards
- 1st in missed tackles forced
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Must start?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Depends on your other options, so I'll say no unless Harris was out of the picture. I would play the matchups however and would play Warren against any poor rushing defense or middle of the road.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Feels like another zeke pollard situation.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Jaylen Warren is the Tony Pollard of 2023. Doesn't get a ton of touches, but does a lot with them.
Warren will likely be overdrafted in 2024 like Pollard.
Warren will likely be overdrafted in 2024 like Pollard.
Yes. No one should bench a high-upside RB2.
Balco
Footballguy
I think they are two different styles of runners (and I still think Pollard can be a solid back).
Warren reminds me so much of Ray Rice with the way he runs - if he got 20 touches a game he would be a top 3-5 running back.
