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RB Josh Jacobs, GB (6 Viewers)
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nittanylion
Footballguy
With a managed workload, his efficiency (and availability) should increase, IMHO. TD's variable as always, but if his managed touches lead to an increase in avg/touch, he could approximate last years' #'s. The line is going to play a big role, as are the game scripts. Personally, I think the Raiders scripts this year may favor Jacobs more than in 2020. The defense, while not great by any stretch, isn't putrid. Adding Drake will help Jacobs/Waller/Renfrow's efficiency, and (I know I'm on somewhat of an island with my opinion here), John Brown won't have them missing Agholor, as much as he can stay on the field. The things he can teach Ruggs/Edwards could make them better if/when Brown misses time. I'm OK drafting Jacobs at his current ADP, and if he winds up being cheaper, that's fine by me.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I think you're under estimating how terrible that line is now. The raiders got rid of everyone and replaced them with a bag of balls shaped like an o-line. It doesn't matter if the defense improves (and I'd argue the improvement was marginal) if the offense can't stay on the field long enough for them to rest.
For some reason Jacobs has never gotten the chance to be a three down rb and the idea that giving him less time on the field will make his overall numbers better doesn't make sense to me. He's not an older guy in need of a rest, this is his third year. The raiders should be running him into the ground while he's still on his rookie contract. I'm throwing him, and the raiders offense as a whole, in the do-not-draft pile this year.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I appreciate the glass is half full perspective here but was the Raiders offensive line not a top 10 unit the last couple seasons?
IIRC they were but they have let a lot of those starters go now, so there is uncertainty at least for me, more so than you as far as who the players are that are replacing the starters they have lost.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Fellow FBG Gally was just talking about basically trading Jacobs for Trey Sermon who he must think is the RB to have in SF as he already had Mostert.
Just another example of some one whos opinion I respect a great deal valuing Jacobs in a similar tier as you.
I am not a fan of Drake but your prognostication for target reduction for Jacobs seems reasonable to me based on the information we have and that is not good for his prospects in fantasy.
eta - I don't understand it. Jacobs showed good receiving chops in college. For whatever reason the coaches do not want to use him in that way, which in my opinion means they should not have invested a 1st round pick in him if they were not going to feed him the ball in that way as well. You can get a 2 down RB later in the draft if thats all you want them to do.
Same thing for the Patriots taking Sony Michel in the 1st round. They over drafted the players.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
The above take may ultimately prove to be correct, but at this stage in the evaluation process of the Raiders OL rebuild, it's just parroting a floating media narrative that isn't considering:
a. Not one of the three 'Probowl' OL the Raiders punted looked close to all-star level last year, especially later in the year, and that includes Hudson. This may be attributable to age or wearing down or unannounced injuries or discontent, who knows. Maybe they all bounce back in 2021, but none of them were elite the last year and a half, at least, except for Hudson in spurts - his run-blocking, in particular regressed bad last year. Gabe Jackson hasn't played well since signing his big money deal a few years ago, and Baby Huey Trent Brown gave the Raiders a great half-season, and then went to injury and malcontent hell for the rest of his time in black, including ALL of last season.
b. The OL players replacing them looked good doing the same last season when called upon as backups - young C Andre James, whom they've been grooming for three years and are reportedly very high on; Denzelle Good, who was been Mr. Dependable for this team, filling in for long stretches at G and T the last two years; and 1st round pick Leatherwood, who even as a reach-pick rookie has a low bar to hurdle to improve upon the slop the Raiders rolled out at RT the last 1.5 seasons in place of Baby Huey.
Hudson, Jackson and Brown may still be good players going forward - but they were terribly underperforming their contracts and reputations last season, and yet the Raiders offense still performed. If the Raiders OL was 'top-ten' last year, it wasn't because of these three. Hudson to James may be the only actual downgrade here, and even that may not be as big a drop as you might think, as Hudson wasn't the same Hudson last year. These three were massively overpaid last year compared to their production over replacement players - and that is why they are gone now, with their cap savings re-invested in Drake + defensive reinforcements.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
That’s a great posting and glad you took the time to do it. The bottom line is that the Raiders had a great o line on paper for 2020 but some of this great players didn’t play much or were not spectacular. The Raider o line in 2021 should be as good or better in 2021. It seems that only Raider fans understand what really happened with the Raider o line last year. Casual fans just parrot lazy sports writers.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am actually not sure where the Raiders Oline finished last season. I think they were top 10 in 2019 and I was learning that from talking to you guys about it going into last season. Not sure if they performed that well in 2020 or not.
HW_53
Footballguy
Very good analysis on the Raider O-Line last year LawFitz, and even stretching back to 19. All I would hear from pundits and fantasy writers was how good the line was, but in watching them play, it was a mystery to me how they achieved their upper echelon 'ranking'. I would expect some growing pains, but also some fire from some younger guys eager to prove they belong. I think Jacobs should bounce back if he can stay healthy and stop bouncing his car off inanimate objects.
The Frankman
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Ruh roh. Fun week 1 for a Monday night starter.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Oh dear.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Ty’son Williams might be plugged in to my lineup tonight as he begins his assault on NFL defenses…
LawFitz
Footballguy
Thinking about starting Drake regardless, ahead of Jacobs. I generally don't like injured-toe RBs, and especially so when they are fresh off the flu or whatever non-Covid bug he has/had. On top of that, Drake may actually be the better matchup play as the receiving RB against and stout Ravens front.
All this said, I may panic and put JJ in at the last minute out of FOMO on a bigtime home performance on opening Monday night.
All this said, I may panic and put JJ in at the last minute out of FOMO on a bigtime home performance on opening Monday night.
The Frankman
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I was distracted and didn't get to look again until well after kickoff. All good tho. Raiders won. My team fantasy team won. Even Drake won, considering he scored 7 less then Jacobs (0.5 ppr), despite 2 fewer TDs. 5 for 56 receiving would make Jacobs a true RB1, if he ever gets there.
Tonight this was a poor man's Chubb/Hunt, and IMO will be that all yr.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Pretty gutsy effort last night. Looked hurt after almost every run.
Wouldn’t be shocking at all if he missed a couple of games.
Wouldn’t be shocking at all if he missed a couple of games.
I wonder how much of that was his mysterious illness that he had Sunday? I mean, besides the toe that is.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
is it weird that the media isn't picking up on this at all, or doesn't seem to think there's anything there? how many times did you see JJ on the sideline wincing after a run or limping back to the huddle? i guess we'll hear more when they're back to practice tomorrow.
foxco
Footballguy
Yeah looked really painful. Hopefully he's okay but it sure didn't look like it. Consider me concerned.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m local in the Bay Area, East Bay even, and I hadn’t heard anything about the toe. Weird.
need2know
Footballguy
I drafted drake as well so I would be ok if they sat him. Must not be too bad I guess?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He started and is playing through it. and played well.
I had Adam’s when he hurt his toe and that was clearly much worse.
He came out a few times and looked like he was in some pain, but he’d go right back out there. Whatever it is, the training staff doesn’t seem to think he’s at risk of making it worse.
need2know
Footballguy
I had a rough week. I don't need Jacob's to be out. Henry and julio really killed me. Switching julio for devonta in the flex and hoping for the best.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Sitting out a couple of games to get healthy isn't the worst outcome. I am a little worried it lingers.Sunday Gravy said:
I have Jacobs in nearly every league I am in.
He's had the toe thing for a while, it wasn't something that happened last night. He can clearly play through it, and play effectively through it. I'm not particularly worried about it, and I'm not worried about Drake at all, who looked like he just took the Booker/Richard roles from last year. So where as they had a COP RB and a 3rd down RB, behind Jacobs last year, now its just 1 guy filling that role, but Jacobs is still the going to be the main guy.
Essentially this.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
per cbs he's starting the week with the Q tag and didn't participate in practice today, which was just a walk through. cbs spun it as a normal thing for JJ to miss wednesday practices going forward, more so this week with the Monday game. it's worrisome, but you guys make a good point that he showed he can play through it just fine this week.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
if jacobs was out for a week or two, drake is more than capable of taking a larger share of carries imo, so any other back on the Raiders probably a long shot to have any impact unless Jacobs end up out for a long period. looking at the game logs from 2020, Drake had 4 games w/ 20+ carries and 2 games w/ 100+ yards.
Shutout
Footballguy
with covid around, I would say yes. Likely? Perhaps not, but definitely could do in a pinch.
Honestly, I find Wednesday practice to be basically irrelevant. It's really only Friday that matters.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This. I really really hope he sits this week. With or w/o Jacobs, the gameplan this week should be no huddle and surgical passing from shotgun against that stout Pitt front seven. Drake is better suited to execute that strategy anyway. Let JJ rest up.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
this view i think is spot on and from fantasy perspective best of both worlds for those who have both jj and drake. drake should easily see RB2 volume with RB1 upside without jj in the lineup and hopefully have him back next week and beyond healthy, where the schedule can't be any tougher after these first two matchups.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
and there it is. Josh Jacobs OUT for Sunday per sleeperbot.
