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RB Josh Jacobs, GB (9 Viewers)

GreenNGold said:
Jacobs is listed as active tonight, no info on expected workload. 
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My gut says the talk of Gruden being happy with Barber is as a backup to Jacobs, not as a 3-man RBBC. I'm expecting 15 touches or so for Jacobs, especially as running the ball is the way to beat the Chargers.

 
travdogg said:
My gut says the talk of Gruden being happy with Barber is as a backup to Jacobs, not as a 3-man RBBC. I'm expecting 15 touches or so for Jacobs, especially as running the ball is the way to beat the Chargers.
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If Jacobs lasts that long before re-injuring his toe/ankle/???

 
Josh Jacobs rushed 13 times for 40 yards in the Raiders' Week 4 loss to the Chargers.

In non-Jacobs fashion, he also caught all five of his targets for 17 scoreless yards. In total, his 18 touches produced a whopping 57 empty yards. It was Jacobs' first game back since his Week 1 ankle injury. If Jacobs isn't scoring touchdowns, he's pretty useless for fantasy players. (This was just the fourth time he's ever caught five passes in a game.) On the year, Jacobs is averaging 3.2 yards per carry. He lucked into two touchdowns in Week 1. Jacobs simply isn't very good and looks slow and sluggish. He'll be a back-end RB2 for Week 5 against the Bears.

Oct 5, 2021, 12:07 AM ET
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Very encouraged by Jacobs usage tonight, especially being that he was a GTD. If he keeps this level of usage(and as long as he stays healthy, there is no reason he can't) he's gonna find himself on the RB1 borderline in games they aren't instantly down 21-0. 

 
rockaction said:
You demurred very nicely, and this got plenty of likes due to a convincing writing style, but you really could have just said you were a "film grinder" and have been done with it. It's the same old argument between film guys and analytics guys, and you take the side of film.

I personally weigh both authorities when evaluating an individual player. The game tape certainly matters, but so don't analysis and data. When we have sets of usable data, we can rely on it also. Jacobs's stats last year, even in context, were fair to poor. Per Football Outsiders, His DYAR was a -54, his DVOA a -12 and his success rate clocked in at 51% percent, placing him twenty-third among qualified backs. As you might know, Football Outsiders measures game data against outcomes from every play that has ever happened in football. It does not lack for context nor specialized situations. It has incorporated so much data that its measurements are a useful tool in evaluation of players. It can, in short, tell you all about somebody's effectiveness on 3rd and one.

It's nice to sound reasonable and inviting, but you've actually taken a position that is decidedly one-sided and erroneous in its assumptions about data and context.
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I could have said “I’m just a film grinder” but I wouldn’t say that because it’s inaccurate. Film study is the most important part of fantasy analysis but it’s also important to understand the numbers. Fantasy points per snap, for example, is an underused and underrated metric for identifying emerging players that might thrive with a bigger opportunity that I use every season.

I see that you’ve shifted from the somewhat amateurish fantasy footballers study you originally quoted and now want to use Football Outsiders as your reference point. Ok, that’s an improvement as FO is a more professional outfit but even they might reluctantly admit to you that their core metric, DVOA, hasn’t proven to be especially sticky or to have much predictive value. If DVOA is a good way to evaluate a RBs why do the numbers fluctuate so wildly? In his rookie year PFG graded Jacobs as the #1 RB in the NFL in elusive rating and as top 5 in yards after contact per attempt, now a year later the advanced metrics tell us he sucks? Jacobs DVOA and DYAR metrics also submarined similarly from 2019 to 2020. Are young RBs incredible talents and performers one year but below replacement level the next, does football talent work like that? To me the data is often problematic.

I think what FO is trying to do is both admirable and interesting but I also think the chaos and complexity of a football play is hard to reduce to a number and a lot of the context they are trying to capture gets missed. Until someone figures out how to build a much better mousetrap film study is king.

Lastly so many football studies get lumped together under the banner of “analytics.” Some of those studies produce raw statistics (like fantasy points per snap) and some of those studies rely on tape based evaluation that requires so much subjectivity that really it’s more like film study, the lines can be blurry. 

This is an odd analogy but please indulge me: imagine you ran a candy company and you received 4 metrics from the field each week: sales by SKU, sales by sugar level, sales by package size, and sales by taste. And let’s say one of the folks reporting that data back to you loves chocolate but hates fruit candy and the other loves both chocolate and fruit candy. Which of those metrics do you think would be the least valuable and predictive? Well I can tell you that many fantasy football studies passed off as “analytics” are closer to that taste test than they are to producing actual statistics.

 
need2know said:
Crappy writeup by roto.  That line was getting blown up all night.   Barry sanders would have had 50 yards
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Agreed, rotoworld blubs are often shockingly amateurish. If a restaurant was as bad at making food as rotoworld/NBC SE is at evaluating football it would be forced to close within 3 months.

I’m a Jacobs apologist and even I will say that he did not look particularly good or like himself last night. But he came in obviously not 100% and told Lisa Salters right before the game that his ankle was responding poorly to the SoFi turf. And like you said the Raiders o-line struggled. I think reporting that Jacobs looked unimpressive would be accurate and fair game but to say he “simply isn’t very good” at football is the worst kind of overreaction. I’d expect that from an angry 13 year old who started Jacobs and lost his fantasy game, but not from a professional news outfit 

 
need2know said:
Crappy writeup by roto.  That line was getting blown up all night.   Barry sanders would have had 50 yards
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They've kind of been going downhill in general since Silva left. 

I think a Jacobs owner should be thrilled with that game. He saw all but 2 RB carries and targets. 

 
What are we doing next week? Feel confident in a good game? So far he's at 13 PPR a game but 2 TDS game 1 and 5 REC game two are throwing me off the scent a bit 

 
I thought the usage looked very good. But the LV offense had a bad night overall. Jacobs stayed in for 3 downs on most of the drives. And was split out wide quite a bit getting targets.

 
Josh Jacobs (ankle) was limited in Wednesday's practice.

Week 4 was Jacobs' first game back from the ankle injury that sidelined him for a pair of games. The Raiders gave him 18 touches while his backups combined for two carries and no targets. That type of workload says more about his health than this limited practice. He should be fine for the Raiders' Week 5 outing with the Bears. Peyton Barber did not practice because of a toe injury and can be dropped in all fantasy formats. 

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Peyton Barber

Oct 6, 2021, 5:35 PM ET
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TampaMike19 said:
What are we doing next week? Feel confident in a good game? So far he's at 13 PPR a game but 2 TDS game 1 and 5 REC game two are throwing me off the scent a bit 
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I feel very confident they won't be down 21-0 right away against the Bears. I think 20+ touches is a very real possibility. 

 
Chaka said:
They were down 0-14 to Miami at home...
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True, and they were down 14-0 to the Ravens as well. To be fair, the Raiders had a pick-6 in the redzone against Miami, so that was kind of a fluky 14-0 start, but it does seem to be a bit of a trend of sorts.

Nonetheless, I remain confident that Jacobs should be a good start this week. Actually looking ahead at the schedule, I'm not really seeing a single bad matchup left. Any team that has a good defense, has an offense that isn't likely to pull away. If Jacobs gets a little healthier and regains his burst another week removed from injury, I think low-end RB1 numbers could be possible.

 
Josh Jacobs (ankle) practiced in full on Thursday.

Playing through the ankle injury this year, Jacobs has averaged a paltry 3.2 yards per carry while getting a large snap share eaten by Kenyan Drake. Hopefully this is a good sign that his ankle has healed and that he'll get back to playing as we know a fully healthy Jacobs can be instead of the plodding version we've seen. He's on the RB2/RB3 borderline with a matchup against the Bears on Sunday. 

Oct 7, 2021, 5:40 PM ET
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I am hoping that Gruden’s departure ends up being a good thing for Jacobs. Any Raiders fans have any thoughts or insights? What are you hearing?

 
I'd expect Jacobs to play. As long as the illness isn't COVID, and I'm pretty sure its required to report it if it is, there is plenty of time to be ready for Sunday. If I recall, Jacobs also had an illness that made him questionable in week 1 as well.

 
Thoughts on Jacobs moving forward? CBS has him ranked 20th ROS. Thats sandwiched between Hunt and Carson and significantly above Montgomery. Am I missing something here?

 
3nOut said:
Thoughts on Jacobs moving forward? CBS has him ranked 20th ROS. Thats sandwiched between Hunt and Carson and significantly above Montgomery. Am I missing something here?
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I'd 100% prefer him to any of those guys. Even when they come back, they may not be better than Jacobs. Jacobs has a somewhat low-ish ceiling, as he is a major pass catcher, but sees all the GL work, and will have 15+ touches every week in an above average offense, with a very easy schedule going forward.

 
Josh Jacobs (chest) is practicing Wednesday.

Jacobs had the bye week to rest up after leaving Week 7 early. His injury was never believed to be serious. However, Jacobs' body is betraying him already at 23 years old. He's had several nicks and dings the last couple years. Jacobs should be ready as an RB2 this week against the Giants.

Nov 3, 2021, 2:38 PM ET
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Josh Jacobs rushed 13 times for 76 yards in the Raiders' Week 9 loss to the Giants, adding four catches for 19 yards. 

Jacobs briefly exited with a limp but wasn't gone for long before returning. He didn't appear to be limping at the end of the game so we'll assume it was a cramp or some minor soreness until further notice. Jacobs was explosive with the ball in his hands and functioned as a meaningful piece of the passing game once again. He has now seen at least three targets in 4-of-6 games this year. Jacobs also ceded just four carries to Kenyan Drake. He'll be a high-upside RB2 in a potential shootout with the Chiefs next week.

- NBC SportsEDGE
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Josh Jacobs (ankle) was limited in Thursday's practice.

It's a new injury, but Jacobs comes off a season-high 24 touches to only return to his natural fantasy football state: questionable. With a projected workhorse load against the WFT, Jacobs was on the RB2 line. This raises some questions about that. The Friday injury report will likely be quite important for Jacobs this week. 

Dec 2, 2021, 5:16 PM ET
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Josh Jacobs (ankle) is expected to play in Week 13 against Washington.

Jacobs was listed as questionable after being added to the Raiders' injury report mid-week. He never dipped below a limited practice though, so expect him to see his full complement of touches versus a disappointing Washington defense. Coming off a 22-carry outing versus Dallas, Jacobs projects as a high-end RB2 this week.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Dec 5, 2021, 8:50 AM ET
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JOSH JACOBS RB, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS

The Athletic's Ted Nguyen said Raiders head coach Josh McDaniels could emphasize the screen-passing game in 2022. 

Under former head coach Jon Gruden, the Raiders were often among the league's worst screen game offenses. Only 5.2 percent of Derek Carr's 2021 passing yardage came on screen plays. McDaniels' Patriots offense, meanwhile, gained nearly 10 percent of its passing yards on screens, the 11th highest rate in the NFL. McDaniels' offense produced heady seasons for a range of pass-catching running backs, including James White, who caught 159 passes on 218 targets from 2018 to 2019. Improving the Raiders' screen game would be a fantasy boon for Josh Jacobs or Kenyan Drake, depending on how the team doles out the passing down work. Jacobs in 2021 had a 13 percent target share; he was fourth on the team with 62 targets. Drake, who commanded a 10 percent target share before a season-ending ankle injury in early December, could be the primary beneficiary of more backfield pass-catching opportunities. 

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Kenyan Drake

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Feb 14, 2022, 11:32 AM ET
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So they want to emphasize the screen game but not use a RB that came out of college as one of the best pass catchers? Why would they use Drake over Jacobs...

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Raiders declined to exercise the fifth-year option for Josh Jacobs. 

Vegas also turned down the fifth-year options for DE Clelin Ferrell and S Johnathan Abram. The team's new leadership likely wants Jacobs to prove himself in 2022 after an up-and-down three years with the Raiders. Former head coach Jon Gruden refused to give Jacobs a workhorse role despite Jacobs showing he was a capable three-down back. After Kenyan Drake was lost for the season in 2021, Jacobs went on a tear, and thanks in part to his pass-catching role, was fantasy's sixth highest scoring RB in the season's final six weeks. The Raiders taking a running back in the 2022 draft could complicate things for Jacobs and Drake. 

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Kenyan Drake

, Clelin Ferrell

, Johnathan Abram

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Apr 29, 2022, 12:58 PM ET
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I'm a little surprised they declined Jacobs option. Its not all that expensive, and he's been making chicken salad out chicken you-know-what behind that OL for his entire career. 

 
The Las Vegas Review Journal's Vincent Bonsignore reports Josh Jacobs was not on the field during the Raiders' minicamp.

Jacobs is present and "participating in the offseason program" according to Bonsignore, but his absence from the field comes after two weeks of missed OTAs. Earlier this offseason it was announced that the Raiders wouldn't be picking up Jacobs' fifth-year option, likely setting him up for free agency in 2023. Set to play out the final year of his deal, Jacobs rushed for 217-872-9 last season while setting career-highs in receptions (54) and receiving yards (348) but nagging injuries have limited him at times. This may be much ado about nothing, but given his contract status, it will be interesting to see if Jacobs' absence from the field carries over into training camp. The Raiders have veterans Kenyan Drake and Brandon Bolden on the roster and drafted rookie Zamir White in the fourth round of this year's draft.

SOURCE: Las Vegas Review Journal

Jun 11, 2022, 7:11 PM ET
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The Athletic's Vic Tafur believes a bell cow role for Josh Jacobs is "unlikely" in 2022. 

Tafur went as far as to suggest new head coach Josh McDaniels believes rookie Zamir White is already a superior option to Jacobs and Kenyan Drake. Both Raiders veteran backs will likely be gone after the 2022 season, Tafur said, and the team doesn't see Jacobs as an every-down back in part because he's struggled through a litany of injuries during his three years in the NFL and has shown no explosion as a runner. Former Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew, now an NFL Network analyst, said White fits well with McDaniels' no-frills running scheme. The Raiders are "not that creative a running team, they don’t create explosive plays in the running game — they’re like downhill, A-gap, a little power, they’re not a zone-stretch team," Jones-Drew said. "And if you watch his tape, that’s what [White] is. That’s what he does well.” Drake and former Patriots RB Brandon Bolden, meanwhile, could share pass-catching duties in what could be a maddening backfield for fantasy purposes. 

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Zamir White

, Kenyan Drake

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Jun 13, 2022, 11:59 AM ET
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If Jacobs comes in healthy and hungry, I say they help him eat. It's in all their interest to have Jacobs blow up this year for the Raiders, if possible, and then sign a huge deal elsewhere. They get his 2022 blow up, he gets paid, and they get a comp pick for a RB.

 
JOSH JACOBS RB, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS

After spending Thursday at Raiders camp, Yahoo! Sports’ Charles Robinson expects new coach Josh McDaniels to use a “situational committee” at running back.

Josh Jacobs is back as the starter, but this doesn’t sound like a situation where he’ll be leaned on for 20-plus carries per game like he was under old coaches Jon Gruden and especially Rich Bisaccia. The new regime already planted its flag by declining Jacobs’ 2023 option before signing Ameer Abdullah and Brandon Bolden and then drafting Zamir White and Brittain Brown. Kenyan Drake is also back. Not all six backs are going to make the team. Robinson even goes as far to say the position could be completely overhauled after 2022. Jacobs is a scary RB2 pick in fantasy.

SOURCE: Charles Robinson on Twitter

Jul 23, 2022, 10:06 AM ET
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JJ feels like a good buy low. He's still young and should get another contract where he's the bellowcow or 1a. LV should be a lot better and run him into the ground if healthy year. I'd be buying for a late 1st or piece of similar value. 

 
dipandglide said:
JJ feels like a good buy low. He's still young and should get another contract where he's the bellowcow or 1a. LV should be a lot better and run him into the ground if healthy year. I'd be buying for a late 1st or piece of similar value. 
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Agreed. He seems head and shoulders better than all the other RBs on the Raiders roster. 

 
joey said:
dipandglide said:
JJ feels like a good buy low. He's still young and should get another contract where he's the bellowcow or 1a. LV should be a lot better and run him into the ground if healthy year. I'd be buying for a late 1st or piece of similar value.
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Agreed. He seems head and shoulders better than all the other RBs on the Raiders roster.
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
I love him this year in the 4th. As I said in the 3 questions topic, I think despite talk of a shared backfield, they’re going to run him into the ground.
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I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think in the end Zamir White will get the early down work and Drake will get the passing down work.
 
Nero said:
joey said:
dipandglide said:
JJ feels like a good buy low. He's still young and should get another contract where he's the bellowcow or 1a. LV should be a lot better and run him into the ground if healthy year. I'd be buying for a late 1st or piece of similar value.
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Agreed. He seems head and shoulders better than all the other RBs on the Raiders roster.
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
I love him this year in the 4th. As I said in the 3 questions topic, I think despite talk of a shared backfield, they’re going to run him into the ground.
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I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think in the end Zamir White will get the early down work and Drake will get the passing down work.
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My opinions are subject to change in eek to week. It’s the preseason. When I saw him playing the HOF game I jumped off the bandwagon.
 

ESPN's Paul Gutierrez believes Josh Jacobs will be in a committee with Ameer Abdullah, Zamir White and Brandon Bolden.​

As we saw from similar reports in July, Gutierrez says that coach Josh McDaniels prefers a running back-by-committee approach. Some may have seen a glimmer of hope after Kenyan Drake was released by the Raiders, but Gutierrez says it won't matter. White and Abdullah have been impressive in camp and can cut into Jacobs' touches at the goal line and in the receiving game respectively. Gutierrez also mentions Bolden as a potential stab to Jacobs' value and tells us to beware of drafting him.
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SOURCE: Paul Gutierrez ESPN
Aug 23, 2022, 7:55 PM ET
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