jabarony
Footballguy
It's going to happen. May as well trade Herbert to me on the cheap.
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RB Khalil Herbert, IND (3 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
Offer coming
massraider
Footballguy
I have no idea what it might look like to add Bijan to a QB who can run for 1,000 yards, but I would like to see
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn’t wish that on any RB or fantasy manager of that RB.
joey
Footballguy
I don’t know….Lamar and Dobbins were a pretty potent fantasy combo a couple of years ago.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
May be a record for least amount of passes thrown.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
Sure would be fun to watch.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Well he survived days 1 and 2 but he Bears are up first today. I just never saw this is a position of need for them and that not bringing Monty back showed their endorsement of Herbert. That said there are some good backs left on the board and they just might got that route anyway. Would anybody care at this point since it is the dreaded day 3 draft capital? Or can we say bump Herbert?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've thought he was going waaaaay too cheap all offseason so far. Monty left and nothing changed in ADP. That never made sense except with regard to the uncertainty, but that is seemingly gone now. So I am very curious to see how high he climbs now.
Went from Montgomery/Herbert/Ebner to Herbert/Foreman/Ebner on a team that is methodically rebuilding. I would guess a RB MAY be added to the mix later in the draft, but I wouldn't think it is a priority with those factors in play. But thinking can be hoping. Someone who knows the team would have more insight, but WR seems a bigger need as does bolstering the OL so Fields isn't running from injury all day.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Chicago picked up Roschon Johnson, Bijan's backup at Texas, @ pick #115.
May be just me, but I think Johnson is the RB3. This is Herbert's job to lose, and if he can hold up physically, he won't.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yuk
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sorry, but I disagree. I was on the Herbert train, but some hobo threw me off. Johnson can beat him out easily
I'm not sure Johnson can beat out Foreman let alone Herbert. Not really seeing it with Johnson, he looks like a backup caliber player to me.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't feel good about Herbert going into the season. Even if he's the starter, is he going to get the volume you want for where you're going to have to draft him?
Foreman will be a factor. He had over 900 yards last year, and I have a hard time believing he came to Chicago being told he was going to be 100% a backup. He's going to have significant touches.
Even if you don't think Johnson can unseat Hebert--he's good enough to take touches. Herbert was a 6th round pick. They've literally invested more draft capital into Johnson.
Combine all of this with the fact Justin Fields just had 1100 yards and 8 TDs on the ground, and I don't feel excited about Herbert's prospects.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I traded Khalil Herbert for a 2024 2nd before the draft. I’m still OK with it.
jm192
Footballguy
Did they really endorse Herbert?
Montgomery got 3 years/18 million from the Lions. The Bears paid Foreman 3 million. Herbert is costing them less than 1 million this year.
Since Montgomery left, they signed a pretty good free agent running back. They drafted a RB higher than they drafted Herbert.
I think this is more "We're not paying Montgomery 6 million a year over the next 3 years" than it is "We think Herbert is great."
Herbert also averaged 5.7 YPC last season and was 4th in the NFL in yards after contact per carry.
I'm not arguing Herbert will be some fantasy star. But I think he'll be a solid flex, and the guy to own in the Bears backfield.
That's probably a fair value.
I myself dealt him last season in a package deal with Calvin Ridley for Amon-Ra and a 3rd. Still like him though.
steelcityman
Footballguy
I just didnt see anything in Johnson’s film that says he can be above RB2-3 in the nfl.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Same could be said for Herbert. He was a 7th round pick for a reason.
jm192
Footballguy
If I had to guess who leads the Bears in Rushing--it's Fields.
I think Herbert is the guy of these 3 to own. I'm just not sure I want to own any Bears RB.
Foreman is going to take touches.
They drafted Johnson higher than they drafted Herbert.
YPC is nice, but it's also easily inflated. He had 2 runs of >50 yards and only 129 carries. He was only 4.2 the year before when he had fewer breakaway runs. I'm not sure I buy that Herbert has established himself as someone whose workload is untouchable.
I think Herbert is the guy of these 3 to own. I'm just not sure I want to own any Bears RB.
Foreman is going to take touches.
They drafted Johnson higher than they drafted Herbert.
YPC is nice, but it's also easily inflated. He had 2 runs of >50 yards and only 129 carries. He was only 4.2 the year before when he had fewer breakaway runs. I'm not sure I buy that Herbert has established himself as someone whose workload is untouchable.
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I don't think Herbert's draft position matters at all. That was an entirely different staff in 2021. He's played well in 2 years since, and if we did that draft over he'd go several rounds higher.
Not saying you are guilty of it, but draft position stops mattering a couple years in, but it seems to stick in people's heads for whatever reason. Its why guys like A.Jones, Ekeler, and Pollard have been so undervalued over the last few years. Not saying Herbert is on that level, but he's closer to that than the 6th round pick he was drafted as.
I will agree its very possible/likely Fields leads the team in rushing, but its a WAY bigger pie in Chicago than in most places. The Bears will likely have about 500+ more rushing yards than most of the NFL. I'd have Herbert around RB25-30 right now.
Johnson takes over by mid-season.
Enzo....the Baker
Footballguy
I think Roschon is being underestimated. Very loyal to Texas, Could have started at many other schools.....and the Bears got him at a nice discount.
I also like that there is more tread on those tires
I also like that there is more tread on those tires
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Herbert is just ridiculously too cheap right now (redraft and bestball - might be appropriately priced in dynasty). Doesn't make sense with Monty gone. Roschon is going even later in drafts as is Foreman. Even in a committee, Herbert is no worse than 1A and yes a running QB and all. But with the absence of other obvious workhorses on draft boards, once you get past the top tier or so that is, what else do you want in a fantasy RB than what someone like Herbert is bringing? He should be going 5th to 8th round at worst but instead he is still in the double digit rounds.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
"Ambiguous backfield ADP value"
Foreman was kind of good last year but the worry is Homer, Herbert hasn't ever caught passes but seems like he could. Homer is kind of a threat to that, if he's just leading a 60/40 committee without 3rd down work then...that's basically what he's being drafted at.
Metric boys love him from last year, and if he takes a bigger lead dog role and gets say 2.5 targets per game, he's a 5th rounder probably. kind of like Miles Sanders lite with receiving?
Metric boys love him from last year, and if he takes a bigger lead dog role and gets say 2.5 targets per game, he's a 5th rounder probably. kind of like Miles Sanders lite with receiving?
Rookiefever
Footballguy
Herbert going in the double digits is good value. However, I think roschon might be the best value in this back field. I expect him to win hurry up and goaline duties. Not a bad option to target both.
markrc99
Footballguy
That's how I see it too. The 1st month or so, definitely Herbert. Has done well with the opportunities he's been afforded, so as barack points out, worth the investment. Not the bruiser or down & distance option they have in the others, but he's low to the ground. If he can hold up, who knows? I'm not likely to draft Johnson over say, a Jerome Ford, but if he keeps stacking bricks throughout the preseason he'll be a speculative add for me.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I don’t do much redraft but I think I’d have roschon a bit higher than ford. If Chubb goes down ford would be great but I’m not expecting much production from him besides that. I’d most likely have chase brown n ford lumped together. Typically I only target my handcuffs unless there’s clear talent and a path to opportunity. Roschon fits my my drafting perspective a bit better. So I’d definitely be eyeing roschon well before ford unless I had Chubb
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I've been grabbing one or both wherever I can.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
preseason week one was a warning shot across the bow to those who doubt this guy. he's a stud. great offensive line. I'm not worried about fields taking rushes away.. Herbert has that Damien Pierce feel to me, someone who's going to get a TON of work injuries be damned. Pierce should be in line for 320+carries, and Herbert should get 275+. not a big believer in the rest of the RB stable in chicago - it's pretty much Khalil and that's it. David Montgomery was a fraud and I'm glad chicago came around to Herbert as the starter here. full steam ahead!
LawFitz
Footballguy
I suggest you look up D'onta Foreman and Roschon Johnson. Spoken as someone who also loves Herbert, but has way more respect for his touch competition.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I picked up Herbert last year and watched him work. I'm so glad I was able to snag him. I think he's viewed more as a #3 fantasy back who could very likely end up in a top 10 in rushing sort of situation.
Seems like a steal at his current ADP.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I actually wondered the same thing. I guess the Bears weren't going to win much, so give that beating to anther guy and save "next year's horse"
pretty sure pass protection was an issue last year, not sure if he's improved at all or not in that area
Moonlight
Footballguy
He was a liability in pass protection and it’s been reported that he took up boxing to help him in the use of hands.
Herbert is No sure thing has to prove he’s durable. He was injured in limited use last year.
Wasn’t used much in passing game and is unproven. Foreman’s big body is likely to be used near the goal. Roschon has shown more in passing game in college and reports from camp are positive.
Herbert is worth a shot at current ADP but fading the RB position in redraft in order to get him late to me is too risky. Also when Montgomery moved on many described him as pedestrian back and no big loss. But he also is the guy Herbert couldn’t beat out,
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Maybe it's just my RJ bias, but "hasn't done anything to lose the job" feels like a comment that just barely steps over the bar to qualify as a compliment. I don't mind Herbert at his ADP, but also feel like it's reflective of where he should go more so than any kind of a steal. The highest chance outcome here feels like a full blown committee, acknowledging Fields is also part of that rushing committee as well.
