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RB Kyren Williams, LAR (1 Viewer)
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saviorself
Footballguy
Eh...he looked pretty good and Stafford should've had him for an easy TD.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Guys I haven't watched a lot of Kyren but he's obviously put up good numbers that last 2 seasons (top 7 in our PPR league this past year) and I'm not sure what a fair market price for him is at this point. In one of my 12 team PPR dynasty leagues I was offered Kyren for the 2.5 pick this year and my 1st in 2026 (my roster is middle of the road, so I'm guessing worst case 1.5 to best case 1.10 rookie pick in 2026) Is Kyren worth that? Thanks for any thoughts on his value
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Depending on whether or not I thought an additional RB1 would push me into contention territory, I think I'd pay it.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Mind looking at my roster and then telling me how you'd lean? I feel like he would improve my starters but I'd still be pretty thin at talent after the starters (although hopefully 1.5 lands me a good player)
Stafford, Penix, Cousins
Chase Brown, Brian Robinson, Dobbins, Brooks, Corum, Ford, Gibson, McNichols
McLaurin, Addison, Waddle, Deebo, Doubs, Diontae Johnson, Dotson, Slayton, Noah Brown
LaPorta, Pitts, T. Hill
Picks 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Yeah I mean, if you just sit on your hands and do nothing you are going to stay middle of the pack with that roster, be surprised if you're anywhere near the best teams or playoffs. But Kyren, and another top RB like Judkins definitely works for you. Having Blake Corum definitely insulates you to some degree as well, although you never know what happens in the draft.
I'd do it. 2026 doesn't look like a good fantasy class right now.
I'd do it. 2026 doesn't look like a good fantasy class right now.
Birdie048
Footballguy
I might be in the minority here, but I think I would pass.
Most reports are that Kyren was a volume performer and not an efficient value. His volume is expected to take a hit with Corum being more incorporated for touches. Kyren does not have the physical traits (size/weight) to handle high volume for extended time. He just is not built for that role.
I don't see him worth that cost IMO. I would think the deep RB rookie class will surpass his value by mid-season.
Most reports are that Kyren was a volume performer and not an efficient value. His volume is expected to take a hit with Corum being more incorporated for touches. Kyren does not have the physical traits (size/weight) to handle high volume for extended time. He just is not built for that role.
I don't see him worth that cost IMO. I would think the deep RB rookie class will surpass his value by mid-season.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I'm just not seeing it as a particularly big cost. Low value 1st round pick in the future and mid 2nd. Not a lot in my eyes.
But if you think Kyren is going to fall off then fair enough.
But if you think Kyren is going to fall off then fair enough.
I think he's worth it I just don't like giving up my future firsts so not sure I'd do it but I think he's worth it.
Offense is in great shape, he's done nothing but produce as a top 5 RB, and it was really nice to hear Snead at the end of the year say something like "he's a Ram" and extending him was a priority.
Offense is in great shape, he's done nothing but produce as a top 5 RB, and it was really nice to hear Snead at the end of the year say something like "he's a Ram" and extending him was a priority.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
If your roster is middle of the road, I don't think Kyren is winning you a championship tbh. And no offense, but looking at your actual roster in your later post, I'd say it reinforces that thought for me.
You don't have even one elite player on that team. Addison is your best WR, who is about WR22 start up value and also behind a top 2 WR in the league on a team that just lost their QB. High hopes for Penix (edit. meant JJ McCarthy sorry), but he's pretty much a rookie this year and a complete unknown. Plus Addison could still miss a couple games with the DUI. McLaurin tripled his TD numbers this past year and is primed for regression there. Even if you don't expect that, he's turning 30 years old this season. Chase Brown is your best RB at ~RB15 give or take. Robinson your 2nd at ~RB27 and I'd say about 80% of NFL mocks put the Commanders drafting a RB in the first 3 rounds. And your starting QB is 37 years old and likely year to year at this point. Penix looked good in a very small sample end of last season, but again, it's a question mark; certainly not to be considered even a QB1 at this point.
IMO your much closer to a rebuild than a championship due to roster age and existing holes. The last thing I would be doing is trading away picks for a RB who already has 4 seasons under his belt. Even if he stays a top 10 guy for the next 2-3 years, think what your roster looks like during that window? Especially if you are giving away a 2nd this year and a 1st next. You'd basically need to get incredibly lucky with your mid round lottery ticket draft picks, and have everyone on your roster put up some of the best seasons they've ever had.
Use your 2.05 this year to draft a RB in this incredibly deep class. You should be looking at guys like Devin Neal, Dylan Sampson, and Cam Skattebo; guys who IMO would normally be mid to late 1st round picks most other years. I'd see if I could shove off points by trading Stafford, Deebo and Terry, hope for a better draft pick next year, acquire more picks in 25 and 26 for trading those guys, and it gives your younger guys more time to hit stride.
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
Great advice, and I took it, turned down the trade offer. Thanks so much.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Good advice for him.
Right call I believe. I think you ultimately would have regretted that.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Should really be looking to sell off most of what you have now I'd say, if you aren't going to make a concerted effort to try and win.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
If his roster had at least 2 of Chase, JJ, Lamb, BTJ, ARSB, Nabers, Barkley, Bijan, Gibbs, Achane, Bowers, McBride, Allen, JDaniels, Burrow, Jackson (you get my point), I'd 100% agree. In a vacuum, the price is fair to ask for Kyren and it could be a good trade that makes your team better. But when you consider his roster, especially the ages and situations of his best players on that roster, all that move will likely do is bring him from 1 game out of the playoffs, to getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Just my opinion of course. But as a Steelers fan IRL, I'd rather run my make believe team with the goals being higher than "just being competitive and maintaining a better than .500 win-streak" every year haha. Better to be first or last in dynasty leagues in my experience, than caught in the purgatory of middle of the pack.
LakeCowboy
Footballguy
Late to the party, but I would have asked how well you've drafted in the first two rounds the last few years. If you're not hitting on studs w/ your picks, don't be afraid to move them.
If he signs, his ADP will go up without question.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree. He looked pedestrian to me last year and just feasted on volume and GL work which is what has made me skeptical of him but an extension is enough ofa sign they are committed to give him a bump for 2025.
I agree as well and just the fact I know they are trying to extend him is why I'd drafted him a few times despite agreeing he's looked average and other then James Cook is biggest TD regression candidate in the league. But I've known all off-season they are working on extending him so one thing I never was concerned with was Corum or Hunter usurping him. They love him.
Chance he does not like their offer and passes, but unless it's a super low ball offer that does not seem like a good idea.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
The fumbles were a big problem. He is incapable of making explosive plays and despite being hyped as a good receiving back, he hasn't been. So while the new contract does help, I don't think it pushes me all the way in on him.
Yeah but frankly none of that matters to me if they believe and trust in him as they have shown and would ostensibly continue to show by wanting to extend him. That's why I put so much stock in his possible extension.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have a start-up 12-teamer coming up and looking at ADP, Williams is right there when I start looking at RBs.
That said, so are Chase Brown & a few others. I’m unlikely to draft any of them, but KWill is lower on my list than they others - I agree he doesn’t pass the eye test.
His greatest strength seems to be scoring 2 TD when I’m facing him H2H, every damn time.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
McVay seems to love him, but I just do not see them extending him after the season for what he would presumably want. The fact that they have drafted RBs and in the 3rd and 4th rounds the last couple of years seems to point to the possibility of letting him test FA.
They've been working on it all off-season and McVay has said fairly recently that progress has been made. I'll be surprised if they don't cross the finish line.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe that is the case, just would be surprising to me if they paid him as a top back. In other words, I would not.
warpig33
Footballguy
Gonna chalk this up as "coach speak" and "BSOML (Best Shape Of My Life):
Rotoworld -
"Rams RB coach Ron Gould told reporters that Kyren Williams has looked “more explosive” during the offseason.
Williams put together a solid season, but his 27 explosive rushes — runs for more than 10 yards — were tied for just 11th in the NFL last year. The 24-year-old has competition in the backfield with Jarquez Hunter and Blake Corum in the fold, but if Williams can show the ability to break off more big carries on top of being one of the best short-yardage backs in the NFL, he should remain the bellcow for the Rams again in 2025."
Rotoworld -
"Rams RB coach Ron Gould told reporters that Kyren Williams has looked “more explosive” during the offseason.
Williams put together a solid season, but his 27 explosive rushes — runs for more than 10 yards — were tied for just 11th in the NFL last year. The 24-year-old has competition in the backfield with Jarquez Hunter and Blake Corum in the fold, but if Williams can show the ability to break off more big carries on top of being one of the best short-yardage backs in the NFL, he should remain the bellcow for the Rams again in 2025."
Moonlight
Footballguy
Yeah what does explosive look like for a small back with 4.65 speed. With all the press regarding his bad underlying metrics and the trade up for Hunter it’s possible he feels the need to ball out which increases his injury risk.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That doesn't seem right. He is working out more and trying to be a better player or "ball out" as you put it and that increases injury risk?
I have never heard that once about a player in any sport.
Moonlight
Footballguy
First I said it was possible. Athletes do at times overextend themselves pitchers who are injured trying to increase their velocity. Weightlifters who pop a muscle.
Athletes do push themselves to improve their performance to be the best they can be. My point about Kyren is that there has been a lot of talk and facts about his lack of explosiveness and long runs. It’s a missing element in the Rams offense. He’s a volume back a good grinder.
So it’s good he’s working to improve himself but I think there is pressure on him to improve to show explosiveness. There is a limit on what he can do and to me it increases a possibility of a hamstring injury.
Athletes do push themselves to improve their performance to be the best they can be. My point about Kyren is that there has been a lot of talk and facts about his lack of explosiveness and long runs. It’s a missing element in the Rams offense. He’s a volume back a good grinder.
So it’s good he’s working to improve himself but I think there is pressure on him to improve to show explosiveness. There is a limit on what he can do and to me it increases a possibility of a hamstring injury.
Boston
Footballguy
Pro athletes are not working out by themselves or figuring out their own workout programs...every detail is accounted for at this level and all negative factors are part of the equation...if he gets hurt it won't be because he put a lot of effort into his offseason training regimen.
MrSoup
Footballguy
He was great for me the last two seasons on my keeper squad. Key reason I made it to two consecutive championships. But it was time to move on this off-season and I traded him away in a package deal to acquire BTJr. I just see everything trending down for him and I do think Corum will have a larger role in year two.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
I prefer my RBs just sit on the couch all off season. Less chance of injury
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Getting a guy who finished RB7 the past two years, still on the same team, in the same system, with the same coach, with 0 significant competition added.... as a late third/early fourth round pick? He's the archetype for anyone with a 0 RB redraft strategy. I mean if you're comfortable taking a non-Jeanty rookie or someone in the next tier like KW3/Chuba/Kamara as your RB1, sure; but otherwise I think he's the option. Only other RB currently in that range is Breece Hall and give me Kyren over Hall drowning on the Jets 9.5 times out of 10.
I think he goes around RB 10-12 early round 3 typically, but he's a nice pick there at ADP
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They are cheap but part of that is because there are 2 of them and we don't know which one is the guy to have. No way I want to use 3 roster spots/picks on one backfield.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
Kyren's best attributes are character and availability. This is a prime example of situation > talent. He's a sell in dynasty and fairly priced in redraft.
Gigantor_IA
Footballguy
I'm not sure I agree with comparing a Kyren departure from the Rams to Kevin Greene and Jerome Bettis, but he is an important piece for the Rams. The ppg difference is eye opening...
www.si.com
Rams Can't Afford to Let Kyren Williams Walk Away
There's one massive problem with Kyren Williams. He's a human playing a game where people expect god-like performances. Williams doesn't have the get away speed
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
This is a guy I am targeting. I haven't been successful yet in dynasty at buying him.
Its important to note that in the 6 games Williams has missed the last 2 seasons, they didn't have Stafford in 4 of them, which is much more likely where the point differential is coming from.I'm not sure I agree with comparing a Kyren departure from the Rams to Kevin Greene and Jerome Bettis, but he is an important piece for the Rams. The ppg difference is eye opening...
Rams Can't Afford to Let Kyren Williams Walk Away
There's one massive problem with Kyren Williams. He's a human playing a game where people expect god-like performances. Williams doesn't have the get away speed
FantasyMC
Footballguy
What have you been offering?
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I have multiple leagues, but breece hall, 1.03, Chase Brown.
