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RB Kyren Williams, LAR (1 Viewer)

This is a guy I am targeting. I haven't been successful yet in dynasty at buying him.
What have you been offering?
I have multiple leagues, but breece hall, 1.03, Chase Brown.
I think the handwriting is on the wall Kyren should be carrying the ball less this year. Rams were 19th in scoring last year. Kyren for backs that carry the ball a lot was at the bottom for creating explosive runs. The Rams very happily drafted Hunter a faster back who ranked second in explosive runs in the rookie class. Kyren also fumbled more than you would like.
I think the Rams will evaluate Corum and Hunter's ability to pass block, pick up the offense and act as receiver. Corum will be another year removed from his injury. I don't think the Rams want to give out a fat contract to aback who leaves a lot on the bone and who is no great shakes as a pass catcher.
Kyren is good back who you want in a committee but is not worth a top dollar contract. So I expect lots of competition for carries this year despite McVay's penchant for going with one back.
So I would trade you Kyren for the1.03.
 
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This is a guy I am targeting. I haven't been successful yet in dynasty at buying him.
What have you been offering?
I have multiple leagues, but breece hall, 1.03, Chase Brown.
I think the handwriting is on the wall Kyren should be carrying the ball less this year. Rams were 19th in scoring last year. Kyren for backs that carry the ball a lot was at the bottom for creating explosive runs. The Rams very happily drafted Hunter a faster back who ranked second in explosive runs in the rookie class. Kyren also fumbled more than you would like.
I think the Rams will evaluate Corum and Hunter's ability to pass block, pick up the offense and act as receiver. Corum will be another year removed from his injury. I don't think the Rams want to give out a fat contract to aback who leaves a lot on the bone and who is no great shakes as a pass catcher.
Kyren is good back who you want in a committee but is not worth a top dollar contract. So I expect lots of competition for carries this year despite McVay's penchant for going with one back.
So I would trade you Karen for the1.03.
I have been saying this for a while, I just do not see them shelling out substantial monies to Kyren. They can love the guy all they want, but their actions speak loudly (drafting backs the last two drafts fairly high (for RBs)). Time will tell, but I would be a little surprised if they extended him.
 
This is a guy I am targeting. I haven't been successful yet in dynasty at buying him.
What have you been offering?
I have multiple leagues, but breece hall, 1.03, Chase Brown.
Phew. I would break my phone accepting the 1.03 for him.
I would go as far as standing on a corner with a sign that says, “Some idiot gave me the 1.03 for Kyren Williams.”.
I could see that. I also see a path for Kyren to continue to perform and outplay Hunter or Tet
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
He’s been underrated for a couple of seasons now. That didn’t suddenly start to happen, but I’d still sell him for the 1.03 :)
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
He’s been underrated for a couple of seasons now. That didn’t suddenly start to happen, but I’d still sell him for the 1.03 :)
It's about pedigree. He didn't have one. And his emergence blindsided a lot of people. Who were then invested in the narrative that he's not really very good, because they couldn't have possibly made the mistake of missing out on someone who was very good.
 
The thing that scares me about Kyren is just how much less effective he was last season. Like the fact that he had almost the same yardage and TDs sounds great, until you realize he played 4 more games in 2024.

I'm totally on board with Kyren as a round 3 pick, but I think he's got more concerns than people think. I think Blake Corum will see more work in year 2, as McVay offenses are notoriously hard to pick up for rookies, with Puka being a glaring outlier.

I'm taking Kyren over guys like Chase Brown or James Cook, but I'm certainly not taking him over Bucky Irving, and depending on what the deal with Najee is, I could see preferring Hampton too.
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
He’s been underrated for a couple of seasons now. That didn’t suddenly start to happen, but I’d still sell him for the 1.03 :)
Oh I know, it's just I can understand underrating him the past few seasons. Didn't agree with it, but I got it. Coming into this year, it's starting to get very hard for me to understand why people are so low on him still. At least from the angle that any worries you have about him, I can name just as many if not more for just about any RB ahead of him in ADP.

All that not withstanding, 100% agree I'd smash accept if the 1.03 got offered to me for him haha.
 
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Not that this was in question, but amid contract talks Kyren Williams has reported to Rams camp (source: Kyren Williams, who rolled up on a scooter with his suitcase in tow)

Kyren Williams says (emphatically) he’ll be practicing full go amid ongoing negotiations.
Also meeting with his agent tomorrow and I expect his extension will be done in short order.
 
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
 
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
7th highest APY and 5th highest guarantees for Rb's. It's hard to see how he could have asked or expected more, he did well to get this deal IMO.

As a side not I think this might help James Cook and the Bills cross the finish line. Because to me if Kyren is $11m per year the idea of James Cook at $15m per year still sounds high, but he's worth a lot more then Kyren IMO and I think this might help them find a common ground north of this deal.
 
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
7th highest APY and 5th highest guarantees for Rb's. It's hard to see how he could have asked or expected more, he did well to get this deal IMO.

As a side not I think this might help James Cook and the Bills cross the finish line. Because to me if Kyren is $11m per year the idea of James Cook at $15m per year still sounds high, but he's worth a lot more then Kyren IMO and I think this might help them find a common ground north of this deal.
Like all contracts, looking back does not give the full visual for top paid positions as newer contracts for elite players usually set the market. Guaranteed money is all that really matters, but I expected the “average” on paper to be higher than ten a year. Again, good deal for both sides imo.
 
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
7th highest APY and 5th highest guarantees for Rb's. It's hard to see how he could have asked or expected more, he did well to get this deal IMO.

As a side not I think this might help James Cook and the Bills cross the finish line. Because to me if Kyren is $11m per year the idea of James Cook at $15m per year still sounds high, but he's worth a lot more then Kyren IMO and I think this might help them find a common ground north of this deal.
Like all contracts, looking back does not give the full visual for top paid positions as newer contracts for elite players usually set the market. Guaranteed money is all that really matters, but I expected the “average” on paper to be higher than ten a year. Again, good deal for both sides imo.
I don't consider him elite though.

I'm not looking to argue just to argue but you kept insisting you'd be surprised if he was extended and sometimes provided the caveat of something along the lines of "at least not to a big money extension". This is that for a RB. Again, we can all get things wrong but you were wrong here despite everything pointing to this outcome.
 
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
Should it not be? I have would put Kyren above Chub
I was expecting him to ask for more, I think this rate makes good sense for extension.
Looks a little better than the deal Chuba got.
7th highest APY and 5th highest guarantees for Rb's. It's hard to see how he could have asked or expected more, he did well to get this deal IMO.

As a side not I think this might help James Cook and the Bills cross the finish line. Because to me if Kyren is $11m per year the idea of James Cook at $15m per year still sounds high, but he's worth a lot more then Kyren IMO and I think this might help them find a common ground north of this deal.
Like all contracts, looking back does not give the full visual for top paid positions as newer contracts for elite players usually set the market. Guaranteed money is all that really matters, but I expected the “average” on paper to be higher than ten a year. Again, good deal for both sides imo.
I don't consider him elite though.

I'm not looking to argue just to argue but you kept insisting you'd be surprised if he was extended and sometimes provided the caveat of something along the lines of "at least not to a big money extension". This is that for a RB. Again, we can all get things wrong but you were wrong here despite everything pointing to this outcome.
Yeah, you win. I am confused what the back and forth is at this point. Whatever it is you are right and I am wrong.
 
I'm mildly surprised, as I would have thought he would have wanted more money, but probably a wise move on his part to sign for what he can get now. Maybe I'm alone in this, but Kyren has never really impressed me much. He's what I would call reliably average. He gets what's blocked, and not much else, but he can handle big workloads, I guess. For some reason they don't use him much on the receiving game (arguably his biggest skill) so maybe that's still to come?

NFL-wise, I think Chuba Hubbard is a better RB, but they are somewhat similar. James Cook is a much better RB than either, so this contract likely means his 15 million isn't going to be backed down from.

Some team with a RB need (Bears/Texans) might be wise to offer a day 3 pick for Blake Corum.
 
if Kyren is $11m per year

Will need to see actual deal terms, but so far it's being labeled as a 3/$33 extension, which usually means ripping up the current deal with one year remaining at $5.35 MM, and creating a new deal with 3 add'l years and $33 MM in new money. So the new deal is presumably going to actually be 4 years / $38.35 MM, or ~$9.5 MM per on average. But even that may be some sort of fugazi with high-end fourth year non-guaranteed dollars. My guess is it'll be a 2-3 yr deal with guarantees spread out across that initial period, plus a bigger tail-end figure that the team can opt out of prior to year four. Let's see what it actually comes in at... If the $23 MM guarantee is across years one and two only, it could be a 2 year deal at ~$11 MM you are thinking, plus two additional team-option years.

Bottom line is these initial agent-reported figures are often highly inflated and it's not until we see the full terms before we can assess what kind of commitment is actually being made to the player.
 
31 TDs over the last 2 seasons
Saw his yds per carry fall from 5 to 4 last year
Why can't I ever get excited about this guy when he's there for the taking in the 2nd round?

I don't know what my hangup/regency bias is against him, in general I like the Rams organization and Coach Sean but I never seem to pull the trigger on him
I'm aware of it though, you won't see most posters admit something like that
 
if Kyren is $11m per year

Will need to see actual deal terms, but so far it's being labeled as a 3/$33 extension, which usually means ripping up the current deal with one year remaining at $5.35 MM, and creating a new deal with 3 add'l years and $33 MM in new money. So the new deal is presumably going to actually be 4 years / $38.35 MM, or ~$9.5 MM per on average. But even that may be some sort of fugazi with high-end fourth year non-guaranteed dollars. My guess is it'll be a 2-3 yr deal with guarantees spread out across that initial period, plus a bigger tail-end figure that the team can opt out of prior to year four. Let's see what it actually comes in at... If the $23 MM guarantee is across years one and two only, it could be a 2 year deal at ~$11 MM you are thinking, plus two additional team-option years.

Bottom line is these initial agent-reported figures are often highly inflated and it's not until we see the full terms before we can assess what kind of commitment is actually being made to the player.
Yes and I really understand contracts quite well. For instance in the McClaurin thread I was posting that DK's deal was really 2/60 a day or two before you broke it down.

But to me new money is new money. To be clear I don't factor that remaining year he has with his new money, that year just helps lower the cap charge. So if he's getting new money that has at least $23M guaranteed on a 3 year deal I feel confident saying he just got extended at $11M plus per year for two years.

If the guarantees are not what is reported, like if he's on the roster the 5th day of the league year in 2027 kind of thing, then I'd revise this thinking but the existing year is just a means to lower the cap charge, it has no bearing on the actual new money extension.
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
He’s been underrated for a couple of seasons now. That didn’t suddenly start to happen, but I’d still sell him for the 1.03 :)
It's about pedigree. He didn't have one. And his emergence blindsided a lot of people. Who were then invested in the narrative that he's not really very good, because they couldn't have possibly made the mistake of missing out on someone who was very good.

Take that Matthew Berry and your projection of a regression of stats in every metric!
Obviously Matthew Berry was one of the people I was talking about.

Kyren has the trust of one of the brightest offensive minds in the league, and in particular, said bright mind loves to use Kyren around the goal line. That matters just as much for fantasy production as whatever fancy advanced stats might tell us.
 
I'm getting major Aaron Jones vibes from Kyren. Not exactly skill/play style wise. But just feels like he's similarly turning into perennially underrated/hated guy who a community typically prone to overinflating a guys value and making excuses for their short comings, decided to do that exact opposite for this guy for whatever reason. Felt like I did this same exact song and dance 4 straight years on another msg board about Aaron Jones till the only thing that eventually "proved me wrong" was an injury ridden season and him missing 7 games.

He's my 0 RB target numero uno this year for leagues where I land a top 3 pick. WR/WR/Kyren. He's being backed up by long bench of RBs as he definitely has his fair share of question marks. But an RB7/RB7 in basically the same situation he's been in for the cost of a third round pick...
He’s been underrated for a couple of seasons now. That didn’t suddenly start to happen, but I’d still sell him for the 1.03 :)
It's about pedigree. He didn't have one. And his emergence blindsided a lot of people. Who were then invested in the narrative that he's not really very good, because they couldn't have possibly made the mistake of missing out on someone who was very good.

Take that Matthew Berry and your projection of a regression of stats in every metric!
Obviously Matthew Berry was one of the people I was talking about.

Kyren has the trust of one of the brightest offensive minds in the league, and in particular, said bright mind loves to use Kyren around the goal line. That matters just as much for fantasy production as whatever fancy advanced stats might tell us.
One of the things it's taken me the longest to accept in dynasty is skill is not the most important factor in picking the best players; or at the very least, if it is the most important, it's not by much haha. Situation and usage turn average talent (RBs in particular) into fantasy studs. Really it ties back into what you were saying too; just because you were low on a guy pre-NFL draft, you need to be open to changing your views on them if they land in a great situation. And also, just if they are overperforming your expectations. CMC was my biggest whiff in my dynasty career. Not just because I didn't like him year 1, but because I was stubborn and continued not liking him year 2, year 3, and year 4 lol. He put up more than enough tape to prove me wrong and it took me too long to accept. Of course then I bought in year 5 and he went down two games into the season, but that's another story..... :mad:
 
So much for Blake Corum and Jarquez Hunter. :violin:
For now. Kyren was always going to start the year as the top guy. But he's just not good enough to not have these other guys eat into his work load.
By the end of the year I expect there to be a true competition for the starting role.
 
So much for Blake Corum and Jarquez Hunter. :violin:
For now. Kyren was always going to start the year as the top guy. But he's just not good enough to not have these other guys eat into his work load.
By the end of the year I expect there to be a true competition for the starting role.
Haven't they been saying that for two years? Eventually they will be right according to law of averages.
 
So much for Blake Corum and Jarquez Hunter. :violin:
For now. Kyren was always going to start the year as the top guy. But he's just not good enough to not have these other guys eat into his work load.
By the end of the year I expect there to be a true competition for the starting role.
Haven't they been saying that for two years? Eventually they will be right according to law of averages.
I didn't say it about previous years. Hunter is legitimate competition. Kyen is a good back but he is not a burner. If Hunter breaks off a 35 yarder or two, you want that production on the field.
 
So much for Blake Corum and Jarquez Hunter. :violin:
For now. Kyren was always going to start the year as the top guy. But he's just not good enough to not have these other guys eat into his work load.
By the end of the year I expect there to be a true competition for the starting role.
Haven't they been saying that for two years? Eventually they will be right according to law of averages.
I didn't say it about previous years. Hunter is legitimate competition. Kyen is a good back but he is not a burner. If Hunter breaks off a 35 yarder or two, you want that production on the field.
Difficult to take that comment too seriously, provided the financial commitment just made to the guy you're questioning.

Kyren could have been battling an injury. McVay likes the guy and he's extended.

If Stafford is healthy, this guy will see goaline work and that is a positive.
 
So much for Blake Corum and Jarquez Hunter. :violin:
For now. Kyren was always going to start the year as the top guy. But he's just not good enough to not have these other guys eat into his work load.
By the end of the year I expect there to be a true competition for the starting role.
Haven't they been saying that for two years? Eventually they will be right according to law of averages.
I didn't say it about previous years. Hunter is legitimate competition. Kyen is a good back but he is not a burner. If Hunter breaks off a 35 yarder or two, you want that production on the field.
Difficult to take that comment too seriously, provided the financial commitment just made to the guy you're questioning.

Kyren could have been battling an injury. McVay likes the guy and he's extended.

If Stafford is healthy, this guy will see goaline work and that is a positive.
Kyren is the man in LA for the next two years IMO. His contract pretty much guarantees that.

As far as the backups go, it seems obvious from their usage during the preseason, how the Rams view them. Kyren didn't play a snap.

Game one: Corum started the first preseason game, scored a TD and his last touch was halfway through the second.

Hunter saw his first action on the second drive and played to the end of the third.

Game two: Corum started, played the first drive (TD) and rested the rest of the game. Hunter played from the second drive until 10 minutes left in the third.

Game three: Corum rested, Hunter started and played the first quarter (three drives).

Barring injury I think people should fade Hunter for 2025 and lock up Corum as Kyren insurance, if backing up your RB is your thing.

If something happens to Kyren, Corum is next man up and, IMO will see the full playbook.
 
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Kyren is top dog. He's a grinder and is not explosive. If Stafford's injury negatively effects Rams offense and passing game the Rams will be of need of big play capability.
Grinders have a role but get replaced when a better options emerge.
Corum and Hunter need to show they offer big play abilities. Based on Kyren's metrics he didn't offer that last year. Hunter was one of the most explosive backs in college last year. I thought he will challenge Kyren in the future.

Rams gave Kyren a good contract though not top of the market.
 
I'm not a health prognosticator, but given the wealth of experience between the Ram's FO, head coach, and Stafford (with his own body), it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Rams perfectly thread the needle with Stafford (and his back).
 

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