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RB Kyren Williams, LAR (2 Viewers)

Check that contract for guarantees and roster bonuses. McVay feeds running backs pink slips like Sea World feeds orcas herring.
I did. It's $15.1 guaranteed at signing, an additional $5 mil guaranteed on the 5th day of the '26 league year and an additional $2.7 mil guaranteed on the 5th day of '27. Their best out is after '27. If Kyren is on the roster in '27 it'll be $27 mil earned from '25-'27. They'll definitely restructure or cut him after '27 because he's due $10.5

If he's cut before '26 it will have been one year at $15 mil with at least a $11.6 mil cap hit. If he's cut before '27 it will be two years at $10 mil per with a $10 mil cap hit. And if he's cut before '28 it will have been three years at $9 mil per.

At the time of signing the practical guarantee is $23 mil and he likely restructures or walks after '27. He'll be 28 at the beginning of the '28 season.
 
Well, I'm officially concerned.
I have no proof for this, but I am going to say what I think... I could be 1000% wrong

I don't ever think McVay was ever a big Williams guy.. I think when they drafted Blake Corum he was hoping to go Corum more and more,m but Corum didn't have a great start to last season, but now he sees an opportunity to start getting Corum more involved. How much and how soon are the questions. But it wouldn't not shock me if by November, Corum is getting more percentage of the work. Especially is he succeeds when given chances. They drafted Corum in the 3rd, so they wanted him.
I agree but, they gave Kyren $23 mil guaranteed for the next three years with another $4 mil likely to be earned (they have an out after '27) so, they wanted him too.

I think McVay trusts Kyren and he's just playing with his new toys ATM. Kyren should still see plenty of GL action.
Kyren is so inefficient. But if Rams continue to win less reason to consider a change.
McVay said he wants a 65%/35% split between the two. Which if true diminishes Williams’ upside.
The if true part results from McVays’ coach speak index being lower than most.
They paid him a lot for an inefficient guy. He was very efficient in '23 (lead the league with 95.3 rush yards/game) and he's only 25. McVay clearly trusts the guy and I think it's too early to write off the '23 season entirely. Hopefully he gets both guards back at full health soon.

Personally, I am in the camp that a 65-35 split is a good thing for Kyren and should help with the efficiency problems. And, after two games it's actually been a 76-23 split. 82-17 in week one and 70-30 week two.
 
I think McVay trusts Kyren and he's just playing with his new toys ATM. Kyren should still see plenty of GL action.
I think this is probably right. Kyren has been so effective in the Red Zone during his career, McVay knows what he has already. Might limit his upside for FF though.
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
I'm not following, are you saying you got Kyren and gave up London?

I like both sides of that trade. Given your RB problems getting Kyren was good.
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
I'm not following, are you saying you got Kyren and gave up London?

I like both sides of that trade. Given your RB problems getting Kyren was good.

Yes, I would give up London and get Kyren. Are you Kyren owners worried about Corum's work load increasing?
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
I'm not following, are you saying you got Kyren and gave up London?

I like both sides of that trade. Given your RB problems getting Kyren was good.

Yes, I would give up London and get Kyren. Are you Kyren owners worried about Corum's work load increasing?

I just traded Kyren and Egbuka for James Cook and Ray Davis.... yes, I realize i gave up too much but I am bills fan and have Josh Allen, so was fine overpaying to lock up 95% of the Bills TDs this season. Corum has been on the field a lot more than I expected honestly, especially after Kyren signed the off season contract. Corum also looks better IMO, faster and more juice........so yes, I was a bit worried....but Kyren will prob be fine and get double digit TDs like he has always done
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
I'm not following, are you saying you got Kyren and gave up London?

I like both sides of that trade. Given your RB problems getting Kyren was good.

Yes, I would give up London and get Kyren. Are you Kyren owners worried about Corum's work load increasing?

Corum has been on the field a lot more than I expected honestly, especially after Kyren signed the off season contract. Corum also looks better IMO, faster and more juice........so yes, I was a bit worried....but Kyren will prob be fine and get double digit TDs like he has always done
Corum gets 24% of the snaps (25% yesterday). He took one snap yesterday when the Rams didn't have the lead and it's been like that all season. He looks good, no doubt but, the Rams are firmly committed to Kyren this year.
 
I lost Conner and Harris yesterday and was already thin at RB's (gambled on Henderson, Harvey, and Pacheco and it isn't working out at all with any of them). I convinced the owner of Kyren Williams to trade me London straight up in a .5ppr league. Am I crazy? Other WR is Chase (with Burrow down that sucks too but I have no RB's worth starting right now).
I'm not following, are you saying you got Kyren and gave up London?

I like both sides of that trade. Given your RB problems getting Kyren was good.

Yes, I would give up London and get Kyren. Are you Kyren owners worried about Corum's work load increasing?

Corum has been on the field a lot more than I expected honestly, especially after Kyren signed the off season contract. Corum also looks better IMO, faster and more juice........so yes, I was a bit worried....but Kyren will prob be fine and get double digit TDs like he has always done
Corum gets 24% of the snaps (25% yesterday). He took one snap yesterday when the Rams didn't have the lead and it's been like that all season. He looks good, no doubt but, the Rams are firmly committed to Kyren this year.
Thanks. This is a multifaced decision for me. If I pull the trigger, I give up my WR2 (who should be a WR1 but is stinking it up so far). I could be getting ahead of the ATL downfall, or I may be panicking on London too early. I am thin at WR if I do this too, my WR2 would be Egbuka and WR3 Williams. I might try to trade some bench players to the Trey Benson owner and at least that fills my Connor gap and might buy me time with London.
 
Not sure why McVay keeps this guy as his #1 RB to be honest. He is nothing special, small, can't break tackles or push a pile at all
fumble tonight lost the game, then horrible play call by McVay to go with the small, weak RB on 4th and 1

Corem was benched after his fumble, not sure that was a good call
 
Williams does get Baltimore next week, who ranks dead last (32nd) vs the RB position.

Plus. He will probably face a Lamar Jackson-less team with a decimated defense.
 
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this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
 
this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
I think we can say this for about 20 of the 32 starting RBs in the league.

Like I responded with on the last rejections I had, "I will have to just deal with the 1200 yards and 14 TDs I get every season he plays"
 
this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
I think we can say this for about 20 of the 32 starting RBs in the league.

Like I responded with on the last rejections I had, "I will have to just deal with the 1200 yards and 14 TDs I get every season he plays"
Closer to 1,500+ & 15

On pace for 1,650 & 14 this year.
 
this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
I think we can say this for about 20 of the 32 starting RBs in the league.

Like I responded with on the last rejections I had, "I will have to just deal with the 1200 yards and 14 TDs I get every season he plays"
Closer to 1,500+ & 15

On pace for 1,650 & 14 this year.

Im sorry. But I can't say "any RB in McVays system will produce that" or else they wouldn't of given him 3 years for $33 mil. Kryen does something special for them to keep feeding and that contract makes me feel comfortable for atleast 2026.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional

 
this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
Its interesting we do this for Kyren Williams, but not for Puka Nacua who is 1000% both McVay reliant AND Stafford reliant, who looks to be on his last year or 2 at best.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional

Wow. That's a big "miss" by the NFL there.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional

Wow. That's a big "miss" by the NFL there.
Or was it...
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional


I saw it last night including replay and asked myself is that within the rules?
If anyone has additional insight. Should that have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? Defender punch went to the head first, not the ball.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional

are you not allowed to do that?

I have long wondered where the NFL would draw the line with so many players attempting to punch the ball. Many missing and hitting elsewhere. I don't think I have seen anything ever called though.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional

Wow. That's a big "miss" by the NFL there.
Or was it...

The answer is yes.
Defender clearly went for the head first and then the ball.
Coaches teach defenders to target the elbow. At the minimum, below the head area.
 
Actually, how was this not reviewed. Looks intentional


I saw it last night including replay and asked myself is that within the rules?
If anyone has additional insight. Should that have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty?
IDK, its tricky because I'm sure a lot of players get smacked in the face and head; but with the concussion protocols they usually call foul even if you didn't mean it. But the fact that the refs and announcers just ignored the punch (looks like his hands are wrapped up too which probably added to the blow). I think its along the lines of the player's starpower; if it was Barkley or Hurts I bet its called. Like they always say, there is something every play that could be called, its just up to the refs to call it.
 
Holy crap the refs screwed up last night. Illegal Use of Hands or Unnecessary Roughness should have been called. Whether it was intentional or not.
  • Illegal Use of Hands:
    A defensive player is prohibited from thrusting their hands forward to make forcible contact with an opponent's head or face area.
  • Unnecessary Roughness:
    This broad category covers violent or gratuitous contact that is not part of a legal play. A punch to the head falls under this category.
 
this guy constantly scores and pretty finished top 5 RB the last 2 yrs; but nobody will give me a turkey sandwich for him in my leagues; just weird.

I can explain why in a heartbeat. His physical traits aren't impressive in a league that seems to be all about physicality. McVay is his meal ticket; he's there to make sure Stafford stays upright and that the offense stays on schedule. He is incredibly dependent on that situation.

There are other guys you can imagine working out on other teams. There are guys where you long for the guy to switch teams. But with Kyren, if things change at either QB or at the head coach position, he's sunk. He's the RB who is most dependent on constancy, and the NFL is wildly fluid.
I think we can say this for about 20 of the 32 starting RBs in the league.

Like I responded with on the last rejections I had, "I will have to just deal with the 1200 yards and 14 TDs I get every season he plays"
Closer to 1,500+ & 15

On pace for 1,650 & 14 this year.

Im sorry. But I can't say "any RB in McVays system will produce that" or else they wouldn't of given him 3 years for $33 mil. Kryen does something special for them to keep feeding and that contract makes me feel comfortable for atleast 2026.

You have to look at how the contract is structured to get your answers. Yep, he's getting a bunch of guaranteed money. He's who McVay and the Rams want as their running back. I never said that wasn't the case.

Kyren is there to pass protect. That's what Kyren is there for. This is what I said last night:

"Kyren Williams had two runs over twenty yards last year in 316 attempts. Pathetic. I’m pretty sure when I had PFF last year he faced among the lightest boxes of any RB in the NFL.

His Wonderlic score and IQ or spatial/visual processing acuity must be off the charts. Because there ain’t much else."

Out of 22 running backs who have 50 rushing attempts in 2025, his percentage of runs that qualify for "explosive runs" is 6.10%, making him the 15th out 22 backs that qualify.

The next section compares him to other RBs in 2024. I made the requirement that the RBs had to have at least 100 rushing attempts. 46 RBs qualified in 2024

In 2024, out of 46 running backs who had 100 rushing attempts, he finished tied for 40th with an explosive run rate of 5.70%, which is consistent with this year. The backs behind him? A. Mattison, N. Chubb, G. Edwards, K. Hunt, and a hurt Kenneth Walker. I mean, he's with the slugs, fellas.

He tied for 14th for facing lightest boxes in 2024 and his YPC was 4.11, leaving him 34th out of 46 RBs.
He was 40th in EPA with -23.52 and was 26th in EPA/play with -.07
He was 36th out of 46 in yards after contact/carry with a 1.9 average
He had two runs over twenty yards and one that was 30 yards

But wait! It's not just volume and pass pro, it's his receiving! Uh . . .

He was 27th out of those 46 RBs with 34 catches, giving him 182 yards and leaving him in 31st in total yards
His target share was 7.98%, which meant he was 31st
He was 28th in targets
He was 39th in yards per catch with 5.8

Some positives:

He was 18th out of 46 in not getting tackled for a loss
He was 14th in success rate

Data pulled from Sumer Sports (Thomas Dimitroff's company)


Also pulled from FantasyPros


This is what he threw down at the combine


Height: 5'9"
Weight: 194
BMI 28.6 (22nd percentile)

Forty-yard dash: 4.65 (29th percentile)
Speed Score 83.0 (9th percentile)
Burst Score 112.4 (20th percentile)
Agility Score 11.40 (51st percentile(

Player Profiler's proprietary athleticism score

91.6

59th out 64 RBs that were draft eligible im 2022
710 out of 763 RBs all time

From Sept. 22, 2023, USA Today

Sean McVay explained why the Rams are comfortable moving forward with Williams as the starting back.

“Well, he's a complete back," McVay said. "I think he's got the ability to play on all downs. He's really put the work in. He's earned a lot of trust from his coaches, from his teammates, and he's a guy that just continues to take steps in the right direction. I think he's a great example for those guys. It was really about you just continue to evaluate every single day and you couldn't deny some of the improvements in the things that he was doing that were in alignment with saying, ‘We got to figure out ways to be able to get him involved.’ And again, you just see the work works for guys like that.”

The first couple of sentences in McVay's quote are important in figuring out how the Rams got to the point where they believe Williams is the deserved starter in the backfield. Through the first two weeks of the season, Williams has rushed for 104 yards and three scores, along with registering 50 yards and another score on six receptions.

In the two seasons where Akers played in at least 13 games, he never had more than 13 catches in a single season. But most importantly, the Rams could never trust Akers in pass protection as much as they trust Williams in that area.

Dating back to his time at Notre Dame in college, Williams was always a strong pass protector at the running back position. Keeping defenders off your quarterback can go a long way toward earning more snaps, which is why Williams has gained the trust of McVay and Matthew Stafford.


Simply put, Williams' contributions in the receiving game and pass protection are why he's the starting running back for the Rams and why Akers is now a member of the Vikings." - Skyler Carlin

Dudes, this guy is there to block and it's unique to the Rams. My point stands .
 
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Kyren is great but I hate him - I own zero shares and he always kills me, fantasy-wise. He's fun to watch though, tough-nosed player, not flashy, just gets the job done, old school like James Conner. Perfect fit for Stafford and the Rams.
 
Kyren is great but I hate him - I own zero shares and he always kills me, fantasy-wise. He's fun to watch though, tough-nosed player, not flashy, just gets the job done, old school like James Conner. Perfect fit for Stafford and the Rams.
Kyren is great, and I love him. Drafted him in Round 3 of half my dyno's and have been riding the wave ever since.

Tried to shop him all off season too, until he got that contract extension.

98 touches thru 5 games

These bigger games are sure to continue to be there as the season goes, so long as Stafford is upright
 
Kyren is there to pass protect. That's what Kyren is there for. This is what I said last night:

"Kyren Williams had two runs over twenty yards last year in 316 attempts. Pathetic. I’m pretty sure when I had PFF last year he faced among the lightest boxes of any RB in the NFL.
He had 7 such rushes in 2023 which was tied for 5th most.
 
Kyren is there to pass protect. That's what Kyren is there for. This is what I said last night:

"Kyren Williams had two runs over twenty yards last year in 316 attempts. Pathetic. I’m pretty sure when I had PFF last year he faced among the lightest boxes of any RB in the NFL.
He had 7 such rushes in 2023 which was tied for 5th most.

Well he was 6th and there were 12 other backs that did that. It's still top half of the league, which given his last year, is sort of a miracle. He also was 13th in attempts so everything else being kinda equal, it seems like he sort of should have done that. I think we can drill down further and get a more accurate picture of his explosiveness and it's consistent with 2024 and 2025.

When it came to how many "explosive runs" he had with the same definition and minimum of 100 attempts as I gave in the first post, he clocked in with a 6.14% rate, just like his other years. He finished 33rd out of 48 qualifying backs.

So yeah, his counting stats were better in 2023, which doesn't mean that he was efficient or more explosive per carry. It also shows you how bad he was in 2024.
 
M'fer gets you down to the 1 with a great 30+ yard run, so you follow it up with 2 passes to D.Adams.

Same crap every week.
It's weird mostly because in previous seasons McVay ran the heck out of Kyren at the 1 yard line.

Even weirder that Stafford was having a down game with a tight score throughout, while Kyren was running for 8 yards a carry and saw only 12 carries.
 

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