What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

RB Leonard Fournette, FA (2 Viewers)

menobrown said:
No reason to worry about Fournette-yet

That article was wrote 5 days ago by Dr. Chao. In it he states:

If Fournette misses a practice or two, this is likely not a big deal. If he is not back by Thursday, it could be time to start worrying this is something that will continue to linger into the season.
Click to expand...
Obviously we do not really know, but the premise of the piece is flawed. Him not playing on Thursday seems like a no-brainer for the Jags. Why risk the centerpiece of their offense for Week 2 preseason game?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Obviously we do not really know, but the premise of the piece is flawed. Him not playing on Thursday seems like a no-brainer for the Jags. Why risk the centerpiece of their offense for Week 2 preseason game?
Click to expand...
The part you view as a flawed premise is actually addressed. Marrone was quoted earlier in the week as saying that the intention was to play Fournette a half. As we saw the other night he had the 1's in the game until the second half so the 1's were getting extensive playing time. 

It does mean they are not just being cautious with this foot. The premise of the article was that if the plan was to play him a half and the starting until into the second half and instead he can't even suit up than it's time to start at least worrying a little. He's not sounding alarm bells or anything,  but this did go from a day or two of rest to watching the game from the suite.

 
menobrown said:
The part you view as a flawed premise is actually addressed. Marrone was quoted earlier in the week as saying that the intention was to play Fournette a half. As we saw the other night he had the 1's in the game until the second half so the 1's were getting extensive playing time. 

It does mean they are not just being cautious with this foot. The premise of the article was that if the plan was to play him a half and the starting until into the second half and instead he can't even suit up than it's time to start at least worrying a little. He's not sounding alarm bells or anything,  but this did go from a day or two of rest to watching the game from the suite.
Click to expand...
Well if he wasn't hurt at all of course he'd play - what I'm saying is once he was injured it was clear he wouldn't be playing on Thursday. Why would he?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think Henne would be steady enough to make it work. He's not great but he'd be fine as a game manager type, and let the offense be heavily run based.
Click to expand...
Bortles terrible year last year statistically would pretty much be Henne's career year. This is a disaster in the making.

 
I posted earlier in the offseason that LF was a giant pile of "if". Since then his ADP risen but the number of "ifs" have only increased. 

 
Pwingles said:
Im not sure its even that big of a factor tbh. He has been playing at LSU with no competent qb and stacked boxes since he started.
Click to expand...
You are probably right. I still like him late 2nd/early 3rd but won't be reaching for him anymore. Love the talent though.

 
The General said:
Same foot as college. Bad team, bad line, bad QB. He should be falling in drafts.
Click to expand...
Sounds like you just described the Browns and Rams situations when Trent and Gurley came into the league and put up top 10 fantasy RB numbers.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation  and a valid reason to lower him just a bit but it remains my secondary concern with the foot still my major worry right now. Jags are saying his foot will be fine, Fournette is saying his foot will be fine, even my go to guy Dr. Chao is saying his foot will be fine. I remain unconvinced and skeptical for a few reasons that he will in fact be fine for week one.  I'm invested in him and hoping he'll be good, but right now I'm taking healthy options over him I otherwise would not take in redrafts.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think Henne would be steady enough to make it work. He's not great but he'd be fine as a game manager type, and let the offense be heavily run based.
Click to expand...
The difference is Kaepernick is still young enough and physically talented enough to be a long term solution at QB for most any team.  Henne...not so much.

 
Chaka said:
The difference is Kaepernick is still young enough and physically talented enough to be a long term solution at QB for most any team.  Henne...not so much.
Click to expand...
The difference is that Kaepernick would come in not knowing the playbook and without any OTAs or training camp. I do agree Kaep is a better long term option than Henne but I doubt they would bring him in at this point. I think they'd go with Henne and maybe give Allen a shot and either sign or draft some one next offseason.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The difference is that Kaepernick would come in not knowing the playbook and without any OTAs or training camp. I do agree Kaep is a better long term option than Henne but I doubt they would bring him in at this point. I think they'd go with Henne and maybe give Allen a shot and either sign or draft some one next offseason.
Click to expand...
Totally agree, they will absolutely go with Henne. Guys like Coughlin & Marrone don't seem the type to tolerate players who speak their minds about football let alone important social issues.

Still the best Henne can offer is a 6-10 season, maybe 8-8 if absolutely everything breaks right, which puts them just out of position to draft one of the perceived best QBs of the future next season.

Kaep probably wouldn't do much better in the W-L column as his learning curve would be steep but at the end of the season they would have an idea if they needed to spend that draft pick on another young project QB or if they could spend that pick on a position of more immediate need and impact.  They have spent a lot of resources on talent acquisition the past couple off seasons. It seems like they want to win now and starting over with another rookie QB next season will delay their perceived window of opportunity.

 
menobrown said:
Sounds like you just described the Browns and Rams situations when Trent and Gurley came into the league and put up top 10 fantasy RB numbers.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation  and a valid reason to lower him just a bit but it remains my secondary concern with the foot still my major worry right now. Jags are saying his foot will be fine, Fournette is saying his foot will be fine, even my go to guy Dr. Chao is saying his foot will be fine. I remain unconvinced and skeptical for a few reasons that he will in fact be fine for week one.  I'm invested in him and hoping he'll be good, but right now I'm taking healthy options over him I otherwise would not take in redrafts.
Click to expand...
I hope you are right. I drafted him because we had to do ours really early. Would not do it again at his price. I'd have him behind Cook and Mcaff for sure.

Not sure how anyone has any reasonable clue what's going on with his health. That he's been ruled out already but they keep saying it's nothing has me a bit worried.

I know **** all about the Jags but even with Bortles sucking all over the place in that last game and parts of last year it's crazy to me he went from 35 TD's to being benched for Chad freakin Henne this quickly. Look at Henne's career numbers, they all really not good.

 
Chaka said:
The difference is Kaepernick is still young enough and physically talented enough to be a long term solution at QB for most any team.  Henne...not so much.
Click to expand...
I can see why Fournette owners would want Kaep there, but I don't agree with the bolded at all.

 
Chaka said:
It's the Fournette thread so I won't go into it deeply.

But love him or hate him, Kaep's talent should not be denied.
Click to expand...
I'm not denying that he has talent, but I am denying that he's talented enough to be a long-term solution at QB for most any team.

 
menobrown said:
Sounds like you just described the Browns and Rams situations when Trent and Gurley came into the league and put up top 10 fantasy RB numbers.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation  and a valid reason to lower him just a bit but it remains my secondary concern with the foot still my major worry right now. Jags are saying his foot will be fine, Fournette is saying his foot will be fine, even my go to guy Dr. Chao is saying his foot will be fine. I remain unconvinced and skeptical for a few reasons that he will in fact be fine for week one.  I'm invested in him and hoping he'll be good, but right now I'm taking healthy options over him I otherwise would not take in redrafts.
Click to expand...
How'd it go in their second years?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
menobrown said:
Sounds like you just described the Browns and Rams situations when Trent and Gurley came into the league and put up top 10 fantasy RB numbers.

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation and a valid reason to lower him just a bit but it remains my secondary concern with the foot still my major worry right now. Jags are saying his foot will be fine, Fournette is saying his foot will be fine, even my go to guy Dr. Chao is saying his foot will be fine. I remain unconvinced and skeptical for a few reasons that he will in fact be fine for week one. I'm invested in him and hoping he'll be good, but right now I'm taking healthy options over him I otherwise would not take in redrafts.
Click to expand...
Realistically, all you want from your early round pick is for him to stay relatively healthy. There are occurrences where the situation is so horrible that despite volume your early round pick cannot overcome their situation, but the leading cause for "failed" early round picks is usually going to be injury. So, yeah, if I'm staring at two early rounds RBs with very few discernible differences, I'm going to choose the one who isn't injured. The odds I own Fournette anywhere this year are low. It could be a mistake but I'm risk averse when it comes to the picks where there's little to no room for a return on my investment.

 
Fred Taylor and MJD have both watched him and said he's special, the next great RB for the franchise. Maybe we are being too picky/critical on him?

 
CabinFever said:
Fred Taylor and MJD have both watched him and said he's special, the next great RB for the franchise. Maybe we are being too picky/critical on him?
Click to expand...
I do agree that he is a special talent. My question from a dynasty perspective is his situation and projected longevity in the NFL and how that compares to Mixon/McCaffrey/Cook. I actually think it's a roll of the dice. Many great college talents have busted in the NFL and none of these guys are immune to that risk. My biggest concern in Leonard is longevity. JAX looks like a dumpster fire, but I think Coughlin can help change that. Fournette was able to regularly truck over defenders in college, I'm not sure how that will translate in the NFL. He's also over a year older than Mixon and McCaffrey. In the end I'll probably take Leonard based on evaluations of him being a "once in a generation" talent, but my gut says Mixon might have a better career. Tough call.

 
ericttspikes said:
I do agree that he is a special talent. My question from a dynasty perspective is his situation and projected longevity in the NFL and how that compares to Mixon/McCaffrey/Cook. I actually think it's a roll of the dice. Many great college talents have busted in the NFL and none of these guys are immune to that risk. My biggest concern in Leonard is longevity. JAX looks like a dumpster fire, but I think Coughlin can help change that. Fournette was able to regularly truck over defenders in college, I'm not sure how that will translate in the NFL. He's also over a year older than Mixon and McCaffrey. In the end I'll probably take Leonard based on evaluations of him being a "once in a generation" talent, but my gut says Mixon might have a better career. Tough call.
Click to expand...
He certainly didn't truck anybody over wearing an Alabama uniform, and that's a problem.  As is the foot injury.  I think he's going to be awesome, but those are two concerns I have.

 
General Malaise said:
He certainly didn't truck anybody over wearing an Alabama uniform, and that's a problem.  As is the foot injury.  I think he's going to be awesome, but those are two concerns I have.
Click to expand...
true. feasted on weak teams. I don't feel great about it, but I will probably be taking him #1. I'm trying make a 9ers/Bears type trade happen to get out of #1 but stay top 4; not happening.

 
General Malaise said:
He certainly didn't truck anybody over wearing an Alabama uniform, and that's a problem.  As is the foot injury.  I think he's going to be awesome, but those are two concerns I have.
Click to expand...
Yeah if you watch those games Alabama is absolutely loaded on D and LSU OL wasn't doing Fournette any favors.....plus it's not like he didn't play in the toughest conference. He played well against a ton of good defenses.....

 
I watched (and grumbled at) plenty of Florida/LSU games where Florida's loaded front 7 with a bunch of future 1st/2nd round NFL picks got run over by Fournette.  Alabama just dominated the line so much there was no chance.

 
Milkman said:
Yeah if you watch those games Alabama is absolutely loaded on D and LSU OL wasn't doing Fournette any favors.....plus it's not like he didn't play in the toughest conference. He played well against a ton of good defenses.....
Click to expand...
Oh, I watched.  It didn't help that LSU didn't have a QB, but that all should fix itself with the wonderful QB situation in Jax. ;)

 
General Malaise said:
Oh, I watched.  It didn't help that LSU didn't have a QB, but that all should fix itself with the wonderful QB situation in Jax. ;)
Click to expand...
Meh he's running behind a lot better line than he had at LSU and Bortles is not starting anymore......I'm quite high on him. Think if he's healthy he sees lots and lots of touches and a great chance at double digit TD's........

 
Leonard Fournette (foot) has ramped up his practice participation in recent days, and will be ready for Week 1.

Coach Doug Marrone said he's "confident" Fournette will be ready. Fournette has a concerning history of foot/ankle issues, but won't be slowed down for the opener. He's a volume-based, back-end RB1.

Source: John Oehser on Twitter 

Aug 28 - 3:25 PM
Click to expand...

 
Fournette listed as a "Co-starter" with Ivory and Yeldon, and Marrone will decide who's earned it during the week. 

I have a feeling this coach isn't going to last more than 2 years. If you draft a guy in the top 5 and you think you have to use BS tactics to motivate him, you don't deserve to be a head coach. He's the most talented player of the 3, you drafted him to be the starter, making him "earn it" is laughable. You gave it to him by drafting him top 5. If you don't start him right away it looks like you f**ked up. 

It's like when Arians refused to play David Johnson and let Chris Johnson take the lead when DJ was already clearly better. Then he finally let him loose and he exploded. Getting stuck in a rut or not leaning on rookies because they're rookies is a Jeff Fisher move. As a head coach you shouldn't aim to be mediocre.

 
steelers1080 said:
Fournette listed as a "Co-starter" with Ivory and Yeldon, and Marrone will decide who's earned it during the week. 

I have a feeling this coach isn't going to last more than 2 years. If you draft a guy in the top 5 and you think you have to use BS tactics to motivate him, you don't deserve to be a head coach. He's the most talented player of the 3, you drafted him to be the starter, making him "earn it" is laughable. You gave it to him by drafting him top 5. If you don't start him right away it looks like you f**ked up. 

It's like when Arians refused to play David Johnson and let Chris Johnson take the lead when DJ was already clearly better. Then he finally let him loose and he exploded. Getting stuck in a rut or not leaning on rookies because they're rookies is a Jeff Fisher move. As a head coach you shouldn't aim to be mediocre.
Click to expand...
Maybe it is just to limit his use initially till his ankle is fully right?

 
steelers1080 said:
Fournette listed as a "Co-starter" with Ivory and Yeldon, and Marrone will decide who's earned it during the week. 

I have a feeling this coach isn't going to last more than 2 years. If you draft a guy in the top 5 and you think you have to use BS tactics to motivate him, you don't deserve to be a head coach. He's the most talented player of the 3, you drafted him to be the starter, making him "earn it" is laughable. You gave it to him by drafting him top 5. If you don't start him right away it looks like you f**ked up. 

It's like when Arians refused to play David Johnson and let Chris Johnson take the lead when DJ was already clearly better. Then he finally let him loose and he exploded. Getting stuck in a rut or not leaning on rookies because they're rookies is a Jeff Fisher move. As a head coach you shouldn't aim to be mediocre.
Click to expand...
I don't get the Marrone love by some NFL personnel people. Like when he was hired by the Jags a lot of them lauded the move.  Did not see it then, see it even less now. This guy just seems like an old gym coach.  I can't even begin to understand who the Jaguars could think promoting their interim head coach who was previously the assistant head coach to head coach and keeping the same co-ordinators was actually going to improve or change anything?  This is why the Jags can have all those high draft picks, spend all that free agent money, and still suck.

As for Marrone's tenure, he won't last long. Jags ownership has been mystifying in their patience at times. Coughlin however is chomping at the bit to return to the sidelines.

 
menobrown said:
I don't get the Marrone love by some NFL personnel people. Like when he was hired by the Jags a lot of them lauded the move.  Did not see it then, see it even less now. This guy just seems like an old gym coach.  I can't even begin to understand who the Jaguars could think promoting their interim head coach who was previously the assistant head coach to head coach and keeping the same co-ordinators was actually going to improve or change anything?  This is why the Jags can have all those high draft picks, spend all that free agent money, and still suck.

As for Marrone's tenure, he won't last long. Jags ownership has been mystifying in their patience at times. Coughlin however is chomping at the bit to return to the sidelines.
Click to expand...
Could be that they don't want to improve this year because great QBs are expected to enter the draft?

Most of their team is awesome, it's just the O-line and QB that really need upgrading.

 
Love the usage. I thought he would be used like this but I was happy to see it confirmed obviously. The 3 catches were awesome and we all knew he was getting the GL work. He's a top 10 dynasty asset and ascending with this usage.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

JohnnyU
Grade your team’s draft 2025
2
Replies
72
Views
4K
Snotbubbles
Snotbubbles
Ministry of Pain
True or False - Several Questions leading into "Redrafts" this weekend and next
Replies
24
Views
951
jvdesigns2002
J
Ministry of Pain
RB Damien Martinez, FA
Replies
28
Views
2K
Ontological Shock
Ontological Shock

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top