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If LeGarret Blount could pass pro and catch better, and wasn't such an ###, he would be a good comparison.
I thought he said it wasn't even his pick because it was a running back and he was a running back. Not because he didn't like Bell.Hoge has always been a tool but he nailed this one. Bell isn't powerful, quick, or elusive. They drafted a decent pass blockerHow about Merrill Hoge throwing him under the bus when he announced the pick..... "Wouldn't have been my pick..." what a tool to ruin this guys moment!
There are three backs in this draft who are foundation/feature backs: Eddie Lacy, Le’veon Bell and possibly Montee Ball.
I whiffed on Franklin so this is not a pat on the back post I just thought it merited repeating when Haley also used the George comp.Personally I see his upside as Eddie George. Again, that's upside.
I do believe he'll get picked in the second round of the NFL draft. I also believe both he and Jonathan Franklin take some of the biggest post NFL draft fantasy rookie rankings of the RB position.
I hope so. I took him at 3 over Lacy and Ball and I'm thrilled about it. I also got Gio at 1Grabbed him at 2. I believe he's Eddie George with hands
I reaaaaaallllyyy hope so too. I need RB help bad and had the 1.1 and the 1.4 in a PPR but went with Tavon at 1.1. Gio and Lacy went 2 and 3 leaving me with Bell. I had planned on going Lacy 1.1 all along, but his slide concerned me and even more so the insurance of Franklin they added late. I took Austin knowing that I would likely be able to get either Gio, Lacy, Bell or Ball at 4. I predrafted and had Bell as second. Was giddy to get up and see he was on my roster.I hope so. I took him at 3 over Lacy and Ball and I'm thrilled about it. I also got Gio at 1Grabbed him at 2. I believe he's Eddie George with hands
I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
You weren't interested in Patterson?I reaaaaaallllyyy hope so too. I need RB help bad and had the 1.1 and the 1.4 in a PPR but went with Tavon at 1.1. Gio and Lacy went 2 and 3 leaving me with Bell. I had planned on going Lacy 1.1 all along, but his slide concerned me and even more so the insurance of Franklin they added late. I took Austin knowing that I would likely be able to get either Gio, Lacy, Bell or Ball at 4. I predrafted and had Bell as second. Was giddy to get up and see he was on my roster.I hope so. I took him at 3 over Lacy and Ball and I'm thrilled about it. I also got Gio at 1Grabbed him at 2. I believe he's Eddie George with hands
I really like rolling the dice with Austin and HAD to get a RB. So that was 1.4. Patterson went between the 1.4 and my pick at 1.8. That and I'm unsure about his intelligence and his situation...You weren't interested in Patterson?I reaaaaaallllyyy hope so too. I need RB help bad and had the 1.1 and the 1.4 in a PPR but went with Tavon at 1.1. Gio and Lacy went 2 and 3 leaving me with Bell. I had planned on going Lacy 1.1 all along, but his slide concerned me and even more so the insurance of Franklin they added late. I took Austin knowing that I would likely be able to get either Gio, Lacy, Bell or Ball at 4. I predrafted and had Bell as second. Was giddy to get up and see he was on my roster.I hope so. I took him at 3 over Lacy and Ball and I'm thrilled about it. I also got Gio at 1Grabbed him at 2. I believe he's Eddie George with hands
We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
They aren't running a "smash-mouth" system.This kid is the real deal and he's a great fit in Mike Tomlin's smash-mouth system.
This is exactly what I have been wondering. What kind of system are they? In order to understand Bell's value we need a better understanding of how this offense - and the running game in particular - is going to be defined. There is a temptation to say that Bell is a great fit for the Steelers because he is big and gets good yards after contact. But are the Steelers that kind of running attack anymore? I'm not just asking if Dwyer or Redman are talented enough - I'm asking will the Steelers be employing a downhill Bettis running system anymore? We hear that the Steelers will employ a zone-blocking system, and then Tomlin backed off that talk to say it was going to be a hybrid (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/3/19/4125088/steelers-will-run-behind-hybrid-blocking-scheme-in-2013). The closer they get to zone-blocking I would assume the worse Dwyer and Redman will look next year. So does the selection of Bell hint at staying downhill? shifting to a zone-blocking scheme? or shifting into a hybrid?They aren't running a "smash-mouth" system.This kid is the real deal and he's a great fit in Mike Tomlin's smash-mouth system.
Don't have the link handy but here are some thoughts from a Steeler's beat writer after watching two days of mini-campThis is exactly what I have been wondering. What kind of system are they? In order to understand Bell's value we need a better understanding of how this offense - and the running game in particular - is going to be defined. There is a temptation to say that Bell is a great fit for the Steelers because he is big and gets good yards after contact. But are the Steelers that kind of running attack anymore? I'm not just asking if Dwyer or Redman are talented enough - I'm asking will the Steelers be employing a downhill Bettis running system anymore? We hear that the Steelers will employ a zone-blocking system, and then Tomlin backed off that talk to say it was going to be a hybrid (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/3/19/4125088/steelers-will-run-behind-hybrid-blocking-scheme-in-2013). The closer they get to zone-blocking I would assume the worse Dwyer and Redman will look next year. So does the selection of Bell hint at staying downhill? shifting to a zone-blocking scheme? or shifting into a hybrid?They aren't running a "smash-mouth" system.This kid is the real deal and he's a great fit in Mike Tomlin's smash-mouth system.
Ok so just ignore everything he says and move on if that's how you feel but I'm pretty sure other people find this information useful. Personally I find beat writers to be the best source of info that exists and in this case the only source since I'm not privy to seeing mini-camps.I would take anything you see Mark Kaboly say, as far as "prognostication" goes, with a giant grain of salt.
He's a beat writer. He isn't a scout. He's good for news, since he's allowed "on premises", but over the year's he's never struck me as a guy that knows that much football.
Geez, take things out of context much?Ok so just ignore everything he says and move on if that's how you feel but I'm pretty sure other people find this information useful.
What did I take out of context? I'm a Steelers fan as well and I also follow Wexell, Dulac and Bouchette and yes I'd list Kaboly as the least informed of that quartet. But most of Wexells stuff you have to pay for and I did not see Bouchette or Dulac write about mini-camp. Information is information, I take as much of it as I can get. Anyway,no offense, just posted this in response to the comment about Bell being a big back. Kaboly is not the first person I've heard comment that Bell does not look that big in person.Geez, take things out of context much?Ok so just ignore everything he says and move on if that's how you feel but I'm pretty sure other people find this information useful.
I'm a Steelers fan. I read stuff from all of the major beat writers. Kaboly is about 5th in the pecking order of who I'd take seriously.
Want to listen to a Pittsburgh beat writer? Listen to Bouchette. He's been on the Steeler beat for, like, three decades and is practically embedded with the team.
YWIA.
On the other hand Kaboly looks every bit as huge in person that one might expect knowing the FSOS that he isIt's amazing that a beat writer can know so little about the game he covers.. Kaboly is not the first person I've heard comment that Bell does not look that big in person.
Fair enough. Just seemed like you were being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. No worries.What did I take out of context? I'm a Steelers fan as well and I also follow Wexell, Dulac and Bouchette and yes I'd list Kaboly as the least informed of that quartet. But most of Wexells stuff you have to pay for and I did not see Bouchette or Dulac write about mini-camp. Information is information, I take as much of it as I can get. Anyway,no offense, just posted this in response to the comment about Bell being a big back. Kaboly is not the first person I've heard comment that Bell does not look that big in person.
Agree.It's amazing that a beat writer can know so little about the game he covers.
Sure and no problem but just to be clear if you read what he wrote he said he looked like Matt Forte, he did not say he played like him. He's simply comping the body style, not the playing style.Fair enough. Just seemed like you were being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. No worries.What did I take out of context? I'm a Steelers fan as well and I also follow Wexell, Dulac and Bouchette and yes I'd list Kaboly as the least informed of that quartet. But most of Wexells stuff you have to pay for and I did not see Bouchette or Dulac write about mini-camp. Information is information, I take as much of it as I can get. Anyway,no offense, just posted this in response to the comment about Bell being a big back. Kaboly is not the first person I've heard comment that Bell does not look that big in person.
I wasn't commenting so much on the "not as big as he looks" stuff as he I was about the "He's Matt Forte" stuff. Comparing Bell to Matt Forte is....odd. Forte's a totally different sort of runner from what I've seen out of both guys, and a way better receiver. That's what I was panning Kaboly about.
Bouchette, Wexell and Lolley have all reported/blogged/tweeted/etc. about rookie camp, FWIW. MK is the only one saying "Bell's Matt Forte" though.
Agree.>It's amazing that a beat writer can know so little about the game he covers.
Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
31 GM's passed on Tom Brady an average of 6 times. The team that selected him, passed many times.Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Has there ever been higher praise?I see a cross between Michael Bush and LeGarrette Blount in those highlights.
You really think there will be guys from this draft who will be on par with Richardson, Martin, Luck and RGIII a year from now?31 GM's passed on Tom Brady an average of 6 times. The team that selected him, passed many times.Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Players will emerge from this draft just like they do from every draft. The difference might be, instead of an Alfred Morris going in the 6th, he might go in the 4th in this draft. Sure it's a weak draft, but to argue that there are no good players doesn't make sense based on the fact that GM's say the class is weak. Draftnics say it was a weak draft, but they had the only 1st round RB as Lacy, had Keenan Allen in the first and Robert Woods in the 4th.
To compare the draft to the guys last year doesn't work either as we've gotten to see those guys play an entire season. Talk to me a year from now when we can say players X, Y and Z compare to Martin, TRich and David Wilson...
I agree with you. Bell shot to the top spot in my post-NFL draft rookie rankings. I'm a Michigan fan, so I'm definitely not a homer or Spartan slappy by any stretch, but I know Big Ten football well and Bell is someone I see hitting the field as a rookie who is capable of playing all three downs well as well as getting the goal line work. In an NFL today where featured backs are more the exception than the rule, Bell has a good shot of being just that.Full disclosure, I am a Michigan State grad and a diehard Spartan fan. Obviously, I disagree with Cecil Lammey on Le'Veon Bell. I love Cecil's work, love The Audible with Matt Waldman, Sigmund Bloom and Dr. Bramel. I think FootballGuys does great work. Now, here's why I disagree with Cecil. I heard a comment made about Michigan State's poor offensive line and I fully agree with that. Michigan State's entire offense outside of Bell, and possibly Dion Sims, was awful. It shouldn't have been difficult to stop Michigan State's offense. When opposing defenses could "cheat" and play the run, that made Bell's job even more difficult. Pittsburgh's O-Line may not be the greatest but Roethlisberger is far more competent in the NFL than Andrew Maxwell is in the Big Ten. Antonio Brown is more of a receiving weapon than anything Michigan State had in 2012. I believe that some of the weaknesses pointed out by Cecil can be nullified by the fact that Bell's supporting cast will be better than what he had at MSU. If you remember back to 2011, Edwin Baker left early because he wasn't going to see the field as much because of Le'Veon Bell. This kid is the real deal and he's a great fit in Mike Tomlin's smash-mouth system.
Once again, much love for FBG...no disrespect whatsoever...just disagreeing on this one.
I said not so much on the QB's. Who knows, though. Joe Montana wasn't a first rounder, but I don't like any of the QB's this year. actually, I like Barkley the best only because he seems pretty pissed about going so low.humpback said:You really think there will be guys from this draft who will be on par with Richardson, Martin, Luck and RGIII a year from now?TheFanatic said:31 GM's passed on Tom Brady an average of 6 times. The team that selected him, passed many times.Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Players will emerge from this draft just like they do from every draft. The difference might be, instead of an Alfred Morris going in the 6th, he might go in the 4th in this draft. Sure it's a weak draft, but to argue that there are no good players doesn't make sense based on the fact that GM's say the class is weak. Draftnics say it was a weak draft, but they had the only 1st round RB as Lacy, had Keenan Allen in the first and Robert Woods in the 4th.
To compare the draft to the guys last year doesn't work either as we've gotten to see those guys play an entire season. Talk to me a year from now when we can say players X, Y and Z compare to Martin, TRich and David Wilson...
I'm not really following you- Montana wasn't a 1st round pick, but he hardly played his rookie season.I said not so much on the QB's. Who knows, though. Joe Montana wasn't a first rounder, but I don't like any of the QB's this year. actually, I like Barkley the best only because he seems pretty pissed about going so low.humpback said:You really think there will be guys from this draft who will be on par with Richardson, Martin, Luck and RGIII a year from now?TheFanatic said:31 GM's passed on Tom Brady an average of 6 times. The team that selected him, passed many times.Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Players will emerge from this draft just like they do from every draft. The difference might be, instead of an Alfred Morris going in the 6th, he might go in the 4th in this draft. Sure it's a weak draft, but to argue that there are no good players doesn't make sense based on the fact that GM's say the class is weak. Draftnics say it was a weak draft, but they had the only 1st round RB as Lacy, had Keenan Allen in the first and Robert Woods in the 4th.
To compare the draft to the guys last year doesn't work either as we've gotten to see those guys play an entire season. Talk to me a year from now when we can say players X, Y and Z compare to Martin, TRich and David Wilson...
Do I see a RB or two having years on par with Doug Martin or Richardson's rookie years? Absolutely.
And yet neither Martin or TRich had as good a rookie season as Alfred Morris.I'm not really following you- Montana wasn't a 1st round pick, but he hardly played his rookie season.I said not so much on the QB's. Who knows, though. Joe Montana wasn't a first rounder, but I don't like any of the QB's this year. actually, I like Barkley the best only because he seems pretty pissed about going so low.humpback said:You really think there will be guys from this draft who will be on par with Richardson, Martin, Luck and RGIII a year from now?TheFanatic said:31 GM's passed on Tom Brady an average of 6 times. The team that selected him, passed many times.Not taking a shot at you here, but I'm going to roll with the collective opinion of the NFL GMs that this is a weak class. The only reason some of these guys are moving up is opportunity. That might work well for a season but generally these lesser talents do have a ceiling.We've gotten to see those guys for a year. Guys will emerge from this draft who be on par with those guys (well, maybe not at QB). I think Bell and one of the GB RB's will have solid rookie seasons. I also think there are going to be multiple stud WR's from this draft...Compared to Richardson, Martin, RG3, Luck???I feel the same way. I had four picks in the first 14. There was a TON of value there. In the last couple rounds ther pickens were beyond slim, but there was a ton of value earily...I guess saying it is a "weak" draft is in the eye of the beholder. I am really happy with the leagues I have multiple high picks in right now and kinda bummed in the ones where i have nothing. I am going to guess that my sentiment is probably shared because I know I have A LOT of people emailing me asking about picks in the leagues I have the multiples.
Players will emerge from this draft just like they do from every draft. The difference might be, instead of an Alfred Morris going in the 6th, he might go in the 4th in this draft. Sure it's a weak draft, but to argue that there are no good players doesn't make sense based on the fact that GM's say the class is weak. Draftnics say it was a weak draft, but they had the only 1st round RB as Lacy, had Keenan Allen in the first and Robert Woods in the 4th.
To compare the draft to the guys last year doesn't work either as we've gotten to see those guys play an entire season. Talk to me a year from now when we can say players X, Y and Z compare to Martin, TRich and David Wilson...
Do I see a RB or two having years on par with Doug Martin or Richardson's rookie years? Absolutely.
You expect one or two rookie RBs to have as good a season as those two this year, or at some point in their careers?
Those 4 are all top 5 at their position in dynasty right now, after their rookie seasons. You'd get very good odds if you think one of those RBs will be considered top 5 after this season (Richardson and Martin are top 2 on this site).