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RB Omarion Hampton, LAC (2 Viewers)
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Couldn’t beat out a one eyed dude who missed all of camp
And Najee is cooked and looks better
Oofa
And Najee is cooked and looks better
Oofa
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Sweet - I went from barely ahead pre-fumble to barely behind post-fumble to back ahead (hopefully) with that change.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
nfl.com has that play as a herbert fumble in their play by play--but it certainly seemed like it was on Hampton imo.
And now Herbert is getting negative yards rushing
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Yeah it was his fault for taking his eye off the ball, but he never had it.
eighsse2
Footballguy
They don't even have to worry about that with Najee.
zamboni
Footballguy
Usually we see at least one highly touted/drafted rookie RB shoot right out of the gate. Definitely hasn't happened yet.
Nope
He looked average vs KC and it was clear as day. Huge bust. Ill be adding Harris.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Fumbled exchanges will always be charged to the QB, regardless of whose "fault" it is.
But Harbaugh will look at the tape and know that was on Hampton, which may or may not have consequences for his workload going forward (I don't think he played a snap after that play)
zamboni
Footballguy
Could see him getting some rookie tough love next week, because that fumble could have been huge in a closer game. We'll see what Harbaugh does in terms of playing time versus Najee.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
At the same time, most of them make their impact as we get further into the season. I'm trying to get Hampton out of my starting lineup for the time being, but I'm holding on my rookies for now (even Kaleb Johnson)
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Question is whether either are startable for the time being. I'm not so sure. Najee is Najee; we know who he is by this point.
Depends on your bench.
Week2 Hampton had 68% snap count. Harris 34%.
The likelyhood of Harris taking a 60%+ snap count in week3 is low. I can see it being near 50/50 for both.
Both can be a flex for week3 depending on league size.
Hampton = upside.
Harris = safe floor cause I think he is goaline back in week3.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Hampton is going to have some troubles here because Najee is Mr old reliable in terms of pass blocking and ball security.
The really crazy thing has been the run/pass ratio for a Jim Harbaugh offense. It's actually even crazier than most people are talking about because Herbert has scrambled on a lot of passing plays which makes it look like they've "only" passed on 55% of their snaps.
But in reality counting Herbert's scrambles, they've called 77 pass plays versus 34 runs, almost 70% called passing plays so far this year despite being 2-0 and playing with the lead a lot.
It will be interesting to see how that changes. There will obviously be some regression to the mean, but it does make sense for Harbaugh to come out of his shell a bit since their best player is their quarterback. Maybe they won't be the grind it out and play defense team of last year.
Theoretically, that should at least provide more scoring opportunities over the long run if he can show enough to get those goaline carries.
The really crazy thing has been the run/pass ratio for a Jim Harbaugh offense. It's actually even crazier than most people are talking about because Herbert has scrambled on a lot of passing plays which makes it look like they've "only" passed on 55% of their snaps.
But in reality counting Herbert's scrambles, they've called 77 pass plays versus 34 runs, almost 70% called passing plays so far this year despite being 2-0 and playing with the lead a lot.
It will be interesting to see how that changes. There will obviously be some regression to the mean, but it does make sense for Harbaugh to come out of his shell a bit since their best player is their quarterback. Maybe they won't be the grind it out and play defense team of last year.
Theoretically, that should at least provide more scoring opportunities over the long run if he can show enough to get those goaline carries.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He looked pretty good on quite a few of those touches. Watching the game I thought the exact opposite of this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They weren’t really that last year either. Herbert very quietly had a terrific season.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
These numbers have to be wrong. I was told with great confidence by lots of people that Herbert was undraftable because the Chargers were going to be run-first and he wouldn't get enough volume to put up good stats.
Is it possible all those fantasy analysts were so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I think that we have to look at things on the macro level. Before the "mystery" around the Najee eye injury--I think most assumed that there would be some sort of split--and many would have assumed that the split would have been in Najee's favor to start the season. Often times, the "explosive" rookie running back will gain more and more share as the season progresses due to injury, possibly the veteran RB wearing down a bit, gaining the trust of the coaches...etc. The ambiguous eye injury propelled many fantasy experts to immediately tout that the backfield was all Hamptons and that Najee was effectively out of the picture. I think we just need to re-calibrate our bearings.
After week 2, we know that Najee indeed isn't dead, and has arguably looked more trustworthy than Hampton this early in the season. There is going to be some sort of split going on here in the near term. I think its safe to say that Hamptons performance thus far certainly hasn't given the Chargers coaching staff any incentives to phase Najee out. With that said, we know what Najee is, and Hampton has room to improve. The notion that he could take more share of the backfield as the season progresses still stands in my opinion. However, this probably doesn't make people that spent 2nd or 3rd round picks in their redraft leagues on him feel great. The scenario where he is in control of the backfield for the whole season that justified picking him that high just didn't materialize.
I also think that the Chargers are clearly going to be more of a passing team and a team that relies on Herberts dynamic skill set than they are a running game. I think they will utilize the short pass almost as an extension to the run game. I still think that Hampton will be fine and he will have his time to shine at some point this fantasy season. I just wonder where he'd be drafted at today in a hypothetical fantasy redraft draft.
After week 2, we know that Najee indeed isn't dead, and has arguably looked more trustworthy than Hampton this early in the season. There is going to be some sort of split going on here in the near term. I think its safe to say that Hamptons performance thus far certainly hasn't given the Chargers coaching staff any incentives to phase Najee out. With that said, we know what Najee is, and Hampton has room to improve. The notion that he could take more share of the backfield as the season progresses still stands in my opinion. However, this probably doesn't make people that spent 2nd or 3rd round picks in their redraft leagues on him feel great. The scenario where he is in control of the backfield for the whole season that justified picking him that high just didn't materialize.
I also think that the Chargers are clearly going to be more of a passing team and a team that relies on Herberts dynamic skill set than they are a running game. I think they will utilize the short pass almost as an extension to the run game. I still think that Hampton will be fine and he will have his time to shine at some point this fantasy season. I just wonder where he'd be drafted at today in a hypothetical fantasy redraft draft.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Wait, you're saying that a coach who has been consistently successful throughout his career is going to look at his talented QB plus great pass-catching weapons, and then at his uneven running game, and decide he will lean on the pass? That's crazy talk! Don't you know anything about The Narrative?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
well that was written at the half, he did have a few pops in the second half]
I think he had 3 carries for -3 at the half or something like that, so not exactly a huge sample size
Hampton has never fumbled before. Not once in college, and not once (officially) as a pro. I doubt there will be consequences,
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ok that’s fair.
Hampton has never fumbled, not once in his entire college and pro career. And his pass protection has been spot on, even praised by the game announcers.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Personally, I've never understood the Tom Coughlin/Belichick method of dog-housing anyone who fumbles. Sure, make the guys work on ball security in practice, have them carry a football in their hands everywhere they go for two days straight, etc. But "you'll be punished until you learn your lesson" seems like a pretty ineffective method that potentially takes a talented player off the field.
Strangest thing about Coughlin is that he had experience with Tiki Barber overcoming his fumbleitis and yet still gave up on David Wilson and threw away his entire rookie year because he fumbled his first-ever carry. Maybe there was something else going on behind the scenes, but I remember at the time it struck me as very weird.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
He has, though. Not sure why this site isn’t crediting him with a fumble but it definitely happened against Clemson. In fairness to Hampton, that was a spectacular play by Wiggins more than a gaffe by Hampton.
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Tau837
Footballguy
With regard to pass protection, FWIW PFF has graded 12 Chargers players in pass protection through 2 games. Hampton has the worst grade (25.9) and Harris has the second worst grade (26.2). Their charting shows Harris has allowed 1 pressure (a hurry) in 5 pass blocking snaps, and Hampton has allowed 2 pressures (both hurries) in 12 pass blocking snaps.
It stands to reason that Najee would be better at pass blocking given he is in his 5th NFL season, and he had better season grades in his other full seasons. But it is perhaps also worth noting that his PFF pass blocking grade has dropped every season of his career, year over year. Last year, his grade (56.1) ranked #27 among 67 RBs with at least 25 pass blocking snaps. I'm not sure it should be viewed as a strength for him.
It stands to reason that Najee would be better at pass blocking given he is in his 5th NFL season, and he had better season grades in his other full seasons. But it is perhaps also worth noting that his PFF pass blocking grade has dropped every season of his career, year over year. Last year, his grade (56.1) ranked #27 among 67 RBs with at least 25 pass blocking snaps. I'm not sure it should be viewed as a strength for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also worth noting, despite describing him as a “242 lb” back, Najee doesn’t look like he’s playing at 242, which is understandable considering he had a 7+ week layoff.
I think the Chargers losing probably their best run blocker has more to do with rushing effectiveness than anything.
Also the fact is that Harbaugh/Roman in reality aren’t aligning with what everyone *expected* Harbaugh/Roman to do. I acquired Herbert before last season & vividly recall the majority of the FF community saying Harbaugh/Roman were the kiss of death. But it sure seems like Harbaugh & Roman know who their best player on offense is and are working around that strength. I don’t expect 70-30 pass ratio all year, but 60-40 wouldn’t shock me.
Regardless, I think Hampton will have some nice games. He’s a hold in dynasty, and I wish I had a share. Based on the current vibes I might have to float a couple offers trying to land him if any of my league owners are panicked.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Being from so cal and being able to watch a lot of the local interviews with Harbaugh--I can tell you that he is beyond enamored with Herberts skill set. I think that Harbaugh legitimately believes that Herbert might be the most skilled (or one of the most skilled) qbs in the league. Herbert is young, has a crazy arm, is mobile, has a wonderful young wr in ladd to develop with---I think you did very well to acquire him in dynasty last season. I do agree that Hampton still carries very solid upside value in dynasty formats. I think his value mainly needs to be recalibrated in redraft formats.
Where are they getting those numbers? I'm not seeing that. Herbert has faced the third-most blitzes in the league, and is near the leaders in fewest sacks/knockdowns/hurries and pocket time. Meaning the backs are picking up those blitzes. Eye test proves it.
zamboni
Footballguy
If you think about it, with Herbert's patience and accuracy, those short underneath throws to Ladd and Keenan in particular are basically an extension of the run game.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I don't believe for a second that Harbaugh has suddenly changed career coaching philosophy to become a pass-first offense. Tigers don't change their stripes.
Even with Andrew Luck at Stanford, Harbaugh's offenses were always run-first (Toby Gerhart and Stepfan Taylor) while trying to achieve a potent dual-threat
2009: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 24 Ratio: 63% run
2010: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 29 Ratio: 59% run
2011: Avg Rush/Game: 40 Avg Pass/Game: 32 Ratio: 56% run
More likely is that Harbaugh brilliantly schemed all offseason pass-first to gain an edge for the Chiefs game, and is now using the old school adage "I'll keep doing it until you can stop it."
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Even with Andrew Luck at Stanford, Harbaugh's offenses were always run-first (Toby Gerhart and Stepfan Taylor) while trying to achieve a potent dual-threat
2009: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 24 Ratio: 63% run
2010: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 29 Ratio: 59% run
2011: Avg Rush/Game: 40 Avg Pass/Game: 32 Ratio: 56% run
More likely is that Harbaugh brilliantly schemed all offseason pass-first to gain an edge for the Chiefs game, and is now using the old school adage "I'll keep doing it until you can stop it."
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats
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jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Harbaugh coached the chargers last year--and they passed the ball 55% of the time. 926 plays--510 passes and 416 rushing attempts.I don't believe for a second that Harbaugh has suddenly changed career coaching philosophy to become a pass-first offense. Tigers don't change their stripes.
Even with Andrew Luck at Stanford, Harbaugh's offenses were always run-first (Toby Gerhart and Stepfan Taylor) while trying to achieve a potent dual-threat
2009: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 24 Ratio: 63% run
2010: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 29 Ratio: 59% run
2011: Avg Rush/Game: 40 Avg Pass/Game: 32 Ratio: 56% run
More likely is that Harbaugh brilliantly schemed all offseason pass-first to gain an edge for the Chiefs game, and is now using the old school adage "I'll keep doing it until you can stop it."
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats
Judge Smails
Footballguy
He never had control of the ball they usually give it to the QB
Stoneworker
Footballguy
And they got smoked in the wild card game when Herbert got sacked 4 times and threw 4 int'sHarbaugh coached the chargers last year--and they passed the ball 55% of the time. 926 plays--510 passes and 416 rushing attempts.I don't believe for a second that Harbaugh has suddenly changed career coaching philosophy to become a pass-first offense. Tigers don't change their stripes.
Even with Andrew Luck at Stanford, Harbaugh's offenses were always run-first (Toby Gerhart and Stepfan Taylor) while trying to achieve a potent dual-threat
2009: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 24 Ratio: 63% run
2010: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 29 Ratio: 59% run
2011: Avg Rush/Game: 40 Avg Pass/Game: 32 Ratio: 56% run
More likely is that Harbaugh brilliantly schemed all offseason pass-first to gain an edge for the Chiefs game, and is now using the old school adage "I'll keep doing it until you can stop it."
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats
Of course anything's possible
I'm just not buying a fundamental shift in philosophy from a coach who drafted an RB in the first round, and who's historical successes have been based on a run-first approach.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I don't believe for a second that Harbaugh has suddenly changed career coaching philosophy to become a pass-first offense. Tigers don't change their stripes.
Even with Andrew Luck at Stanford, Harbaugh's offenses were always run-first (Toby Gerhart and Stepfan Taylor) while trying to achieve a potent dual-threat
2009: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 24 Ratio: 63% run
2010: Avg Rush/Game: 41 Avg Pass/Game: 29 Ratio: 59% run
2011: Avg Rush/Game: 40 Avg Pass/Game: 32 Ratio: 56% run
More likely is that Harbaugh brilliantly schemed all offseason pass-first to gain an edge for the Chiefs game, and is now using the old school adage "I'll keep doing it until you can stop it."
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2009 Stanford Cardinal Stats
I think this is faulty logic. Luck wasn't being paid $50M+...and the NFL is a QB league.
Does Harbaugh want and value an effective rushing attack to compliment and even at time lead the offense? Sure...but this team goes as far as Herbert is going to carry it and that requires Harbaugh to actually have him do that.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
only similarity is they play the same position.
Tau837
Footballguy
I assume you are referring to Slater, and I agree he is a great run blocker, who effectively has been replaced in the lineup by Pipkins, who is not. But another factor is that the Chargers have kept TE Fisk inactive the first 2 weeks, despite the fact that he is a great run blocker, probably the best non-OL run blocker they have... and probably better than some of their OL.
If they determine it is a priority to improve the run blocking, I think they will make Fisk active. As long as they don't, IMO they are tipping their hand that they are more pass focused in their game plans.
Does anyone have the snap counts for Hampton vs. Harris? Touches were about equal no?
At first glance, N. Harris usage is a tad...troubling.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Probably continues unless one really falters, it is sad that coaches could care less about FF.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Touches were exactly equal. 8 rushes ea, Najee had 1-2 more receptions.
They were 70-30 pass to run though, which seems more relevant.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Scott Spratt (@scottspratt.bsky.social)
Round 1 rookie running backs Ashton Jeanty and Omarion Hampton are 2 of just 6 running backs with 20 or more carries and a 30% or better broken tackle rate per @sportsinfosolutions.com. The yards and touchdowns will come.
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shadrap
Footballguy
Very good observation!
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I truly hate to see it come like that for Hampton but wheels up for Hampton now.
