RB Peyton Barber, LV - 9.4.21 Signs with Las Vegas (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He WAS pointing forward, until he saw possibly the best tackler in the NFL coming at him with a 5 yard running start a millisecond after he received the hand off. His only alternative was to try to barrel through him and drive him backwards out of the endzone. Not impossible, but not nearly as cut and dried as you want to portray it.

I didn't compare the two, but you're just being silly at this point. Carry on with your narrative, it's painfully obvious you are incapable of being unbiased here- I'm sure you'd be making the exact opposite argument had he attempted to take him head on. 

There’s no bias. 

a player in the end zone shouldn’t run sideways. Ever. 

Thats not a narrative. It’s reality. 

The resulting safety was predictable the second he ran sideways. 

Had he lunged forward it would have only been a possibility rather than a guarantee. 

But please do continue with your narrative that somehow a safety was an inevitability because Keuchly is some kind of magical being who makes 100% of his tackles and Barber couldn’t possibly have made it back to the LOS (despite it appearing that was very much possible watching the play) 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I honestly don't think there are many coaches who look at that film and say that diving forward is the correct decision.

And I’d say you’re incorrect. But I guess we’ll have to go interview coaches to understand if they think going forward in the end zone is a better option than going sideways. 

Otherwise how could anyone ever possibly know? It’s one of the great mysteries of life. Like “why are we here”? “What’s the meaning of life” and “why would a running back try to cut to the outside in his end zone?” 

 

Occam’s razor says the simplest answer is best: it was a dumb decision. He should have tried to avoid the safety. This is football 101. 

 

[humpback]

There’s no bias. 

a player in the end zone shouldn’t run sideways. Ever. 

Thats not a narrative. It’s reality. 

The resulting safety was predictable the second he ran sideways. 

Had he lunged forward it would have only been a possibility rather than a guarantee. 

But please do continue with your narrative that somehow a safety was an inevitability because Keuchly is some kind of magical being who makes 100% of his tackles and Barber couldn’t possibly have made it back to the LOS (despite it appearing that was very much possible watching the play) 

So let me get this straight- Kuechly ISN'T some kind of magical being who makes 100% of his tackles, yet it was GUARANTEED to be a safety once Barber tried to avoid him? Can't make this stuff up. 

I think almost everything you've said on this topic is incorrect, and you've made all sorts of statements as if they are facts when they are anything but, however I'll bow out now. Already wasted way too much time on a single play with someone who has no interest in being objective. What isn't debatable is the snap and touch count for the game.

And I’d say you’re incorrect. But I guess we’ll have to go interview coaches to understand if they think going forward in the end zone is a better option than going sideways. 

Otherwise how could anyone ever possibly know? It’s one of the great mysteries of life. Like “why are we here”? “What’s the meaning of life” and “why would a running back try to cut to the outside in his end zone?” 

 

Occam’s razor says the simplest answer is best: it was a dumb decision. He should have tried to avoid the safety. This is football 101. 

This has to be  at this point. I'll spit out the hook...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This has to be  at this point. I'll spit out the hook...

Sounds like you’re comfortable being wrong. And that’s ok. 

Keep defending the indefensible, by all means.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So let me get this straight- Kuechly ISN'T some kind of magical being who makes 100% of his tackles, yet it was GUARANTEED to be a safety once Barber tried to avoid him? Can't make this stuff up. 

I explained it in plain English. 

If he runs forward he has a chance to avoid the safety.

if he runs sideways he has no chance to avoid the safety.

no need to make it up because it’s as obvious as the nose on your face. It’s reality. It’s on film - you can probably go to Youtube & watch it. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Last season was last season. How they look 2 games in? 

I don’t think we can make any assumptions yet - and last season with mostly the same cast is the best we can look at. It’s not like Barber and especially Jones ran all over them. 

 

[RealReactions]

That hot sauce guy sounds real fun at parties. Hes never wrong!

 

[Chaka]

And I’d say you’re incorrect. But I guess we’ll have to go interview coaches to understand if they think going forward in the end zone is a better option than going sideways. 

Otherwise how could anyone ever possibly know? It’s one of the great mysteries of life. Like “why are we here”? “What’s the meaning of life” and “why would a running back try to cut to the outside in his end zone?” 

 

Occam’s razor says the simplest answer is best: it was a dumb decision. He should have tried to avoid the safety. This is football 101. 

Occam's Razor <> The shortest distance between two points.

Choosing to lose <<<<<<<< trying not to lose.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t think we can make any assumptions yet - and last season with mostly the same cast is the best we can look at. 

They got run over week 1. 

It’s not like Barber and especially Jones ran all over them. 

It’s not like the Bucs are a good running team & they still made Payton Barber look decent. Which he’s not.

i agree, it’s a small sample sample -  we’ll have to see how they look going forward. 

Before this week’s games a lot of the comments by rotoworld, etc were that CAR looked shaky against the run, and they didn’t do anything to disprove that. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

They got run over week 1. 

It’s not like the Bucs are a good running team & they still made Payton Barber look decent. Which he’s not.

i agree, it’s a small sample sample -  we’ll have to see how they look going forward. 

Before this week’s games a lot of the comments by rotoworld, etc were that CAR looked shaky against the run, and they didn’t do anything to disprove that. 

A lot of teams get run over against the Rams. The Rams have one of the best o-lines in the league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Occam's Razor <> The shortest distance between two points.

Choosing to lose <<<<<<<< trying not to lose.

Running sideways in one’s own end zone = choosing to lose.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

A lot of teams get run over against the Rams. The Rams have one of the best o-lines in the league.

Yeah, but they made the Bucs look like a good running team. 

We’ll see as the season goes on whether the Panthers are a good run defense. 

I’m thinking it also has to do with the Panthers offensive struggles - that defense looked gassed out there in the 4th quarter. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That hot sauce guy sounds real fun at parties. Hes never wrong!

I’m wrong often. And I’m never shy about admitting it. I’ve even started topics eating crow over wrong calls.

You’ve got the wrong person, friend.

And I’m a blast at parties - I bring hot sauce every time. Who wouldn’t love that? 

But thanks for the personal attack, and welcome to my ignore user list.

 

[humpback]

Coach seems pleased (~40 second mark)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Coach seems pleased (~40 second mark)

Week to week this will change. Mark my words. 

 

[humpback]

Week to week this will change. Mark my words. 

I've seen your words, I'll pass. 

(I happen to agree here, I've never said Barber is great or anything, but he's not the scrub that Jones owners pretend he is either. Why is it so hard to admit that he played pretty well?)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've seen your words, I'll pass. 

(I happen to agree here, I've never said Barber is great or anything, but he's not the scrub that Jones owners pretend he is either. Why is it so hard to admit that he played pretty well?)

I’ve never said he’s a scrub. Others have, sure.

 He’s just a mediocre running back who consistently displays poor vision & makes bad decisions as a result. 

He runs into contact a lot. 

The safety was just another example of that.

IMO Ronald Jones is the better running back. He was solid at USC, and against an underrated 49ers D he looked solid. He runs with more ferocity & has more power. He looked awfully confident last week & prior to this game Arians said he’d be getting a larger role, so for one, it’s weird he saw almost no play, and for two, it makes it awfully tough to trust anything this coaching staff says.

this is going to be a headache for FF owners counting on either all season unless one gets hurt. Glad I’m not counting on either this year. 

Would be nice to get clarity before next year tho. 

 

[Chaka]

Running sideways in one’s own end zone...

When did that happen?

 

[Chaka]

Yeah, but they made the Bucs look like a good running team. 

They Buccaneers looked good running against the 49ers and they looked good running against the Panthers. Therefore, using your logic the Bucs are a good running team. 

Right?

 

[Chaka]

He runs into contact a lot. 

The safety was just another example of that.

No, it wasn't. Diving forward would have literally been running into contact.

Seriously, did you really watch that play? It's okay to finally admit that you didn't. This is a judgment free zone.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Would be nice to get clarity before next year tho. 

There will be clarity when they either sign or draft a RB next offseason. Barber is a mediocre stop gap back and Jones is a bust.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No, it wasn't. Diving forward would have literally been running into contact.

Seriously, did you really watch that play? It's okay to finally admit that you didn't. This is a judgment free zone.

Seriously, did you? 

This is getting silly. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There will be clarity when they either sign or draft a RB next offseason. Barber is a mediocre stop gap back and Jones is a bust.

Jones looked awfully good last week. Weird how he was a bust then he wasn't now he is again. 

 

[Chaka]

Jones looked awfully good last week. Weird how he was a bust then he wasn't now he is again. 

Here's the RoJo Bust vs Not A Bust data set:

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[Chaka]

This is getting silly. 

I know, I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I know, I'm starting to feel embarrassed 

Completely understandable. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jones looked awfully good last week. Weird how he was a bust then he wasn't now he is again. 

I don’t think he looked so good. He caught some breaks in one game and has looked terrible in every other game. If he was good he wouldn’t be backing up Peyton Barber. Against the Carolina defense which you said was awful he only gained 2 yards per carry.

He’s not good. Nothing weird about it.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

This is getting silly. 

Something we can all agree on, I am not sure why two posters whose insight I really like and trust on this board are so dug in on either side of this.

I am a middle child and a diplomat at heart, so coming to tell you that you are both right.

I watched the play live, and watched the highlights over and over, have zero investment in either of these teams or Barber.

What I saw was that that was likely going to be a safety no matter if Barber dove straight ahead or went out to his left.

Keuchly fired through the B gap so fast that going to Barber's left looked like a losing proposition to start with. I don't blame Barber for shifting further outside as sometimes you can avoid overpursuit that way, but not against a solid tackler like Luke. Even if Luke missed, LB Shaq Thompson tracked the play and was on Barber as well.

BUT -- had Barber gone full bore ahead, he would have run right into Kawann Short who also come cleanly through the line at the A gap relatively clean. Would have been stuffed for sure in the endzone that way too.

Looking at the highlights, Tampa's center and RG chipped together on Dontari Poe -- Barber's best chance on that play was to go right in a small pocket of space around the right A gap. Not saying that would have been a guaranteed non-safety or first down, but that's where the most push from the Buc's line was, and had Barber stayed behind the lineman to his right and pushed with the pile, that was likely the best path to success. So not sure why Barber was trying to run through the left A gap to start with (which to me, it looked like he did before he saw Kuechly coming and made a split-second decision to evade, to no avail).

You could argue that running through the A gap to the right is still running "straight" -- but  not sure that solves the root of the argument as to whether it's better to always run straight in this situation or leak out to the outside.

In this case, running straight right likely would have gotten the ball out of the endzone.

But this is just one case, and I can't say why you would say one method is clearly better -- totally depends on play, personnel, situation, scheme, etc. 

So calling this fight a draw, and let's continue to discuss how we'll never really figure this whole backfield out, except that Barber is not a back we can truly rely on yet as a fantasy contributor despite this solid game. But at least he seems like he'll get the carries over RoJo if...or more likely when...Rojo figures himself out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Here's the RoJo Bust vs Not A Bust data set:

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Most accurate post in the topic. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So calling this fight a draw, and let's continue to discuss how we'll never really figure this whole backfield out, except that Barber is not a back we can truly rely on yet as a fantasy contributor despite this solid game. But at least he seems like he'll get the carries over RoJo if...or more likely when...Rojo figures himself out.

Well great, how are we supposed to have the forum version of a slap right now with you being all logical & agreeable & stuff?

i guess I’ll take my ball & go.

 

[Pipes]

Bell, C.J. Anderson, Jamaal Williams, Gio Bernard, Dion Lewis, Drake, Henry, Coleman, Ingram, Shady, Howard, White, Murray, Gore, Duke Johnson, Freeman, CMC, Sproles, Zeke, Chris Thompson -- all are very, very solid in pass pro.

I did drop him for Mostert, and almost want to start Mostert out of spite. Could have used Barber's #s last night, but agree with sentiment it's going to be very, very hard to say you'll get that kind of reliable performance going forward.

This train seems to be headed right back to the same station it was in last year -- Jones the lead but not giving fantasy owners enough to start him, staying juuust ahead of RoJo in terms of touches and efficiency.

20 out of 100 plus RB what does prove? I was just responding to the comment that Barber was the worst pass blocker in the league.  Which is blatantly false.

 

[Chaka]

Something we can all agree on, I am not sure why two posters whose insight I really like and trust on this board are so dug in on either side of this.

I am a middle child and a diplomat at heart, so coming to tell you that you are both right.

I watched the play live, and watched the highlights over and over, have zero investment in either of these teams or Barber.

What I saw was that that was likely going to be a safety no matter if Barber dove straight ahead or went out to his left.

Keuchly fired through the B gap so fast that going to Barber's left looked like a losing proposition to start with. I don't blame Barber for shifting further outside as sometimes you can avoid overpursuit that way, but not against a solid tackler like Luke. Even if Luke missed, LB Shaq Thompson tracked the play and was on Barber as well.

BUT -- had Barber gone full bore ahead, he would have run right into Kawann Short who also come cleanly through the line at the A gap relatively clean. Would have been stuffed for sure in the endzone that way too.

Looking at the highlights, Tampa's center and RG chipped together on Dontari Poe -- Barber's best chance on that play was to go right in a small pocket of space around the right A gap. Not saying that would have been a guaranteed non-safety or first down, but that's where the most push from the Buc's line was, and had Barber stayed behind the lineman to his right and pushed with the pile, that was likely the best path to success. So not sure why Barber was trying to run through the left A gap to start with (which to me, it looked like he did before he saw Kuechly coming and made a split-second decision to evade, to no avail).

You could argue that running through the A gap to the right is still running "straight" -- but  not sure that solves the root of the argument as to whether it's better to always run straight in this situation or leak out to the outside.

In this case, running straight right likely would have gotten the ball out of the endzone.

But this is just one case, and I can't say why you would say one method is clearly better -- totally depends on play, personnel, situation, scheme, etc. 

So calling this fight a draw, and let's continue to discuss how we'll never really figure this whole backfield out, except that Barber is not a back we can truly rely on yet as a fantasy contributor despite this solid game. But at least he seems like he'll get the carries over RoJo if...or more likely when...Rojo figures himself out.

So, what you're saying is that I'm right.

Thanks.

 

[Charlie Harper]

He did? 

Link to Arians proclaiming this? I seem to have missed that.

Proof for ya...

Also, last thing about the safety. Barber staying in the game and getting carries AFTER the safety seems to indicate Arians didn't think it was Barber's fault or if Arians did think it was Barber's fault...that just shows how much more he values Barber carrying the rock over RoJo.

So either way...not a good look for Jones.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Proof for ya...

Also, last thing about the safety. Barber staying in the game and getting carries AFTER the safety seems to indicate Arians didn't think it was Barber's fault or if Arians did think it was Barber's fault...that just shows how much more he values Barber carrying the rock over RoJo.

So either way...not a good look for Jones.

Said he’s still going with the hot hand. That “nothing has changed”. That’s the opposite of what you claimed. It’s in the link you just just posted. 

you attributed a very specific statement to Arians, which he *clearly* not true.

now you double down with this? Yeah ok.  

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

20 out of 100 plus RB what does prove? I was just responding to the comment that Barber was the worst pass blocker in the league.  Which is blatantly false.

I wasn't about your opinion about Barber, but your hyperbole about the pass pro abilities of most backs in the NFL.

Some are better than others, and many struggle at first to pick up the subtleties. But by and large you don't stick around long in the league unless you have a well-rounded game.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

So, what you're saying is that I'm right.

Thanks.

To be faaaairrrr........

While I think your main point was contesting that running forward is the thing you 100% do in that situation, you also said,

"I honestly don't think there are many coaches who look at that film and say that diving forward is the correct decision."

I'm no coach, but to me, the correct decision was to dive forward given the way the D attacked the play - just on the right side, as opposed to the direction Barber was initially headed.

Honestly, with the blocking scheme the O-line had, I'm actually surprised the play wasn't attacking the right A-gap. But things happen at warp speed in the NFL. Including a D-line shredding your plans by storming through the LOS.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm no coach, but to me, the correct decision was to dive forward given the way the D attacked the play - just on the right side, as opposed to the direction Barber was initially headed.

Honestly, with the blocking scheme the O-line had, I'm actually surprised the play wasn't attacking the right A-gap. But things happen at warp speed in the NFL. Including a D-line shredding your plans by storming through the LOS.

So what you’re saying is that I’m right. 

Thanks. 

 

[Chaka]

To be faaaairrrr........

While I think your main point was contesting that running forward is the thing you 100% do in that situation, you also said,

I'm no coach, but to me, the correct decision was to dive forward given the way the D attacked the play - just on the right side, as opposed to the direction Barber was initially headed.

Honestly, with the blocking scheme the O-line had, I'm actually surprised the play wasn't attacking the right A-gap. But things happen at warp speed in the NFL. Including a D-line shredding your plans by storming through the LOS.

Oh, okay. So what you're actually saying is that you're wrong too.

Sorry, can't help myself at this point. 

You might that be right about going right but Barber taking Keuchly on straight up is the wrong decision 100 of 100 times (maybe a little hyperbole but I'll never admit it).

@Charlie Harper said it best. If it was the "obviously" wrong decision why did Arians stick with him? RoJo that bad?

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

So what you’re saying is that I’m right. 

Thanks. 

No, I disagree with your stance that going sideways is always wrong in that situation. 

Oh, okay. So what you're actually saying is that you're wrong too.

Sorry, can't help myself at this point. 

You might that be right about going right but Barber taking Keuchly on straight up is the wrong decision 100 of 100 times (maybe a little hyperbole but I'll never admit it).

@Charlie Harper said it best. If it was the "obviously" wrong decision why did Arians stick with him? RoJo that bad?

I said going straight left -- where Keuchly was shooting through the gap -- was folly, and thought I was being clear that going straight right seemed the most likely to be the most successful path. Not that he should take on Keuchly -- Barber didn't have any choice anyway as Keuchly was in his grill right away.

I didn't say anything about Barber vs Jones, either would have been dropped in that situation.

OK I give up. Was just trying to make peace.   

 No good deed goes unpublished.

 

[Chaka]

No, I disagree with your stance that going sideways is always wrong in that situation. 

I said going straight left -- where Keuchly was shooting through the gap -- was folly, and thought I was being clear that going straight right seemed the most likely to be the most successful path. Not that he should take on Keuchly -- Barber didn't have any choice anyway as Keuchly was in his grill right away.

I didn't say anything about Barber vs Jones, either would have been dropped in that situation.

OK I give up. Was just trying to make peace.   

 No good deed goes unpublished.

It's all good brother. HSG and I are just having some fun. He knows he's wrong, and we know he's wrong.

No worries, your sincere and we'll considered perspective is sincerely appreciated.

Much love and respect and thanks for acknowledging that @Hot Sauce Guy is wrong.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's all good brother. HSG and I are just having some fun. He knows he's right and we know he's right.

Awe, thanks guys  

No worries, your sincere and we'll considered perspective is sincerely appreciated.

*you’re

**well

Much love and respect and thanks for acknowledging that @Hot Sauce Guy is right.

Guys, guys, c’mon, you’re gonna give me a swelled head over here. It’s easy to be right when @Chaka is so obviously wrong. 

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I explained it in plain English. 

If he runs forward he has a chance to avoid the safety.

if he runs sideways he has no chance to avoid the safety.

no need to make it up because it’s as obvious as the nose on your face. It’s reality. It’s on film - you can probably go to Youtube & watch it. 

You don't think the penalty that moved them back had anything to do with it?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I stopped in to comment that Barber pass blocked like a  in that game.  Terrible. 

If he continues to whiff on blocks of blitzing linebackers during passing downs, my guess is he won't be playing very long with BA.  BA will find a big back that can block.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You don't think the penalty that moved them back had anything to do with it?

 The penalty didn’t help, but it also didn’t make barber run sideways in his own Endzone. 

 These things are mutually exclusive 

 

[Hairy Snowman]

 The penalty didn’t help, but it also didn’t make barber run sideways in his own Endzone. 

 These things are mutually exclusive 

IMO Barber wasn't the issue on that play.  That was a team safety.  I could point to half a dozen other people that missed or failed their assignments IMO.   

Not to mention LB Luke Keuchly is good.  Really good.  On the field and especially good at watching tape. 

IMO Barber has his various issues at the RB position, but running inside wasn't one of them Thursday night.   I think having an all-pro middle linebacker reading plays played a big role in the trouble running overall and that safety specifically.  I give the credit. 

Plus, if anything, the Bucs offense isn't close enough to give up a safety if the Bucs aren't called for a penalty the previous play.   To me, that played a huge role. 

 

[TheWinz]

The plain fact is this - Barber has been, and still is, the most complete RB the Bucs have had since joining the team in 2016.  Now, that's not saying much, but it's the sad truth.

 

[The Frankman]

Peyton Barber rushed eight times for 28 yards in Week 6 against the Panthers.

Barber saw more carries and snaps than Ronald Jones, but neither were involved in a pass-heavy gamescript. He had a touchdown vultured by Jones at the five-yard line. Barber has been held under 50 yards in four straight games. He'll remain a TD-dependent FLEX against the 49ers after a Week 7 bye.

 

[dickey moe]

Garbage.

 

[The Frankman]

Peyton Barber rushed 11 times for 43 yards and a touchdown in the Bucs' Week 10 win over the Cardinals, adding a four-yard reception.

Undead zombie Barber out-gained Ronald Jones 43-29 on the same number of carries, though Jones added 8/77 as a receiver. Jones also lost a fumble on the Bucs' second-to-last series, however, and it was Barber who got the work, including goal-line, on the final possession. This competition might be back open. Barber will still be a barely-there RB4 for Week 11 vs. the Saints.

 

[The Frankman]

Peyton Barber rushed 17 times for 44 yards and two touchdowns in the Bucs' 28-11, Week 13 win over the Jaguars.

Of course. Ronald Jones got the first couple carries for the Bucs in this one but did nothing as a runner with a 6-8-0 line, and it was Barber who got the Bucs on the board with a 15-yard score in the first quarter. Coach Bruce Arians went with the hot hand, and it was Barber the rest of the afternoon. He scored a two-point conversion after Tampa Bay's second touchdown and then fell forward into the end zone for a one-yard score later. Barber spent the rest of the day picking up three-inch gains as the Bucs played not to lose. Barber is a Week 14 trap against the Colts.