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RB Phillip Lindsay, IND (1 Viewer)
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Hilts
Footballguy
He looked awesome but it's the same story every week - they throw too much to see massive value coming.
Their defense is lousy and at some point they have to throw a bunch, but they don't even start the games with a run heavy approach. He's stuck as a rb 2 or better yet a flex option. That's fantastic and it has definite value, but it's limited beyond that. At least for this season.
Wrigley
Footballguy
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Nope, they continue to truck booker out there mostly during those times. From what I've saw anyway.
Hilts
Footballguy
Last week was the first time they really tried using him as a receiving option. He has 14 receptions on the year. 6 came last week. It's promising but I think naive to rely on this coaching staff making that a regular occurrence.
To be fair to the staff, pass protection is a problem he needs to work on, as is common with many rookies.
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Getting the start this week from me since Conner is on bye
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Running with the Devil (?) this week in my PPR league out of the flex with CMC and Cohen, and over Clement.
I don't think anything changes unless for some reason Freeman explodes -- this offense seems set using all three backs in rotation, and while I'd like to see the trend of getting Lindsay catches continue, I don't think we can rely on any other usage outside of what we've seen.
For me, that's a solid if not spectacular floor of 10-15 carries a game and ~80 yards rush/receiving combined (plus a little kicker for return yards) which nets about 11.8 FPPG -- I'll take that reliable production out of the flex.
I don't think anything changes unless for some reason Freeman explodes -- this offense seems set using all three backs in rotation, and while I'd like to see the trend of getting Lindsay catches continue, I don't think we can rely on any other usage outside of what we've seen.
For me, that's a solid if not spectacular floor of 10-15 carries a game and ~80 yards rush/receiving combined (plus a little kicker for return yards) which nets about 11.8 FPPG -- I'll take that reliable production out of the flex.
Exactly. He's in my lineup as of now. It's the match-up plus his floor (compared to JHoward, whose floor scares me a little)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes, I think 10-12 this is a reasonable expectation with room to grow. Not necessarily his absolute floor, but a reasonable one; he hasn't done anything to make me think he could put up a goose egg
Is anyone trading Lindsay? What are you getting? A guy like this is one of those who might be attractive to sell high. Just curious what that's netting people. He's a real intriguing running back, and concerns about his longevity are already well discussed here.
In redraft I'm not sure I'd want him, or pay what it'd take to get him (maybe I'd get him for Collins straight up... not sure I like that deal). I tried trading for him in dynasty. I believe I've admitted to dropping him week 1 of preseason for another flier and then not having enough FAAB to pick him back up, thus losing him. But the guy who owns him now sees a super star, so that's not happening. I kick myself often for that, as he'd be a great bargaining chip for future draft picks.
Is anyone trading Lindsay? What are you getting? A guy like this is one of those who might be attractive to sell high. Just curious what that's netting people. He's a real intriguing running back, and concerns about his longevity are already well discussed here.
In redraft I'm not sure I'd want him, or pay what it'd take to get him (maybe I'd get him for Collins straight up... not sure I like that deal). I tried trading for him in dynasty. I believe I've admitted to dropping him week 1 of preseason for another flier and then not having enough FAAB to pick him back up, thus losing him. But the guy who owns him now sees a super star, so that's not happening. I kick myself often for that, as he'd be a great bargaining chip for future draft picks.
This isn't an actual trade that happened, but in a 0.5 PPR redraft league I had an extra QB (Dalton) and was wondering what I could get for him. Then someone happened to drop Lindsay (for Gore), so I dropped Dalton to pick him up, and I realized that if I had done that transaction as a trade, I would have been pretty satisfied.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
As a browns fan, living in DEN 25ish yrs... I can tell u that the local talk radio is grippin. Cecil included.. Its almost CLEish. Time for a "rebuild " and find a real qb.
They are bailing on keenum. Talking about the tank for a QB. And firing whatever coaches. Kinda feels calming considering.
I have Lindsay n Manny and I'm concerned. If Bookers touches went elsewhere in the split w Freeman...
If the donkeys lose tomorrow, get ready.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
deciding between him and cook. seems like i have a decision like this with a player injured and other options playing thursday every week
zoonation
Footballguy
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
A smarter coach would be getting both rbs 15+ touches a game.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Warrick Dunn reincarnate
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Put yourself in Vance Joseph’s shoes.
You have two rookies, both of whom have shown promise in the preseason, both with demonstrably different skillsets.
One is a hammer - his main game this far has been early down pound and ground, with some great toughness fighting through initial contact and a flash here and there of the ability to get around the corner to the next level.
The other is way more diverse and brings a spark of quickness and shiftiness to blow past the line and make things happen in space. Is not traditionally big but does not shy from contact.
Even if that second player has a much better YPC, and is electric based on eye test, would you make him a sole starter with 80% of the carries?
I wouldn’t. And I say that as someone fully invested in Lindsay.
As a coach, you will want to use both backs, wielding the right skillset for the right down/distance.
You’ll want to have a more balanced attack as using them both keeps your run attack balanced - employing both power I and split sets to ensure the D keeps off balance.
You’ll want to thump away with Freeman for a few downs only to put Lindsay out there to blow past people with that sudden change of gear; depending on posession time and ability, you may also want to use Lindsay early, have the D out chasing him out of more open fields, and where wielding that hammer later on yields that much better results against a dog-tired D.
I think Lindsay can get you what you need with the touches he is getting - and keeping Freeman in there may be perceived as taking away from padding Lindsay’s stats, but it also may be the very thing that a) allows him to be so effective as a change of pace, and b) keeps Lindsay fresh and healthy to keep delivering like he did tonight.
You have two rookies, both of whom have shown promise in the preseason, both with demonstrably different skillsets.
One is a hammer - his main game this far has been early down pound and ground, with some great toughness fighting through initial contact and a flash here and there of the ability to get around the corner to the next level.
The other is way more diverse and brings a spark of quickness and shiftiness to blow past the line and make things happen in space. Is not traditionally big but does not shy from contact.
Even if that second player has a much better YPC, and is electric based on eye test, would you make him a sole starter with 80% of the carries?
I wouldn’t. And I say that as someone fully invested in Lindsay.
As a coach, you will want to use both backs, wielding the right skillset for the right down/distance.
You’ll want to have a more balanced attack as using them both keeps your run attack balanced - employing both power I and split sets to ensure the D keeps off balance.
You’ll want to thump away with Freeman for a few downs only to put Lindsay out there to blow past people with that sudden change of gear; depending on posession time and ability, you may also want to use Lindsay early, have the D out chasing him out of more open fields, and where wielding that hammer later on yields that much better results against a dog-tired D.
I think Lindsay can get you what you need with the touches he is getting - and keeping Freeman in there may be perceived as taking away from padding Lindsay’s stats, but it also may be the very thing that a) allows him to be so effective as a change of pace, and b) keeps Lindsay fresh and healthy to keep delivering like he did tonight.
Something to monitor. Royce Freeman left the game with an ankle injury. Too early to tell how serious it is but Lindsay's value would skyrocket if Freeman is out.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/broncos-royce-freeman-out-for-rest-of-thursdays-game/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/broncos-royce-freeman-out-for-rest-of-thursdays-game/
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
This little guy is going to win me a championship! Stay on the field, pal.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Wonder how this shakes out no Freeman. Do the Broncos want to give their 88kg rb 20+ carries?
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Rove!
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Question will be how Booker’s role changes with Freeman out.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Was part of his skill set in college - 14 catches for 118 receiving yards as a freshman reserve, 26/211/1 his first year as a starter, and finishing his college days with seasons of 53/493/1 and 23/247/1.
The reason he hasn't been used a lot this way in the pros yet is that he struggled early on in passing down pass pro, and only has 15 receptions so far. That complete scrub Booker has 16.
But I believe he showed what he could do in weeks 5 and 6 against the Jets and Rams - 3/20 off 4 targets and 6/48 off of 7 targets.
Team would be silly not to ramp this up a little, IMHO.
It really is remarkable that he doesn’t regularly get a few designed plays to get him the ball in the flat. The screen play he has was nice last night. What would be even nicer is if instead of having to sift through traffic he could catch the ball with space and only a defender to beat one one. I would feel good about that outcome.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
This. They need to start drawing up plays specifically for him. They do it a lot with Sanders on short passes near LOS, they could even split Lindsay out wide and have him in a mismatch. I’m convinced the coaching staff is just not good or creative enough.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
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Birdie048
Footballguy
thecardiackid
Footballguy
from birdie's post above...
For the season, the undrafted Lindsay has 436 rushing yards on 75 carries (5.81 yards per attempt). Freeman, a third-round pick, has 309 yards on 71 carries (4.35).
5.8 ypc is TD'esque, and he's wearing #30. Good karma
And he was gonna get more touches w/ or w/o freeman's ankle. Kid is just gettin it done.
Booker and PL are the next incarnation of thunder n lightning. Guessing Lindsay gets a 60/40 split.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Id be much more onboard with this approach if they didn't keep putting Booker out thereStompin' Tom Connors said:
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I wasn't able to watch the few last Denver games, but this may simply rely on Lindsay getting better in pass pro. Can't say if he's improved in that regard recently, but he was definitely not sound - both not effective picking up some blitzes and whiffing on blocks he knew he had to make -- in the first game or two.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Phillip Lindsay is averaging 5.81 yards per carry this season.
The last player to average a ypc that high thru his first 7 NFL games is Bo Jackson https://t.co/H4S1VKmF1K (min. 70+ rushing attempts) @Broncos pic.twitter.com/TIPdkaplKN
— ProFootballReference (@pfref) October 19, 2018
The last player to average a ypc that high thru his first 7 NFL games is Bo Jackson https://t.co/H4S1VKmF1K (min. 70+ rushing attempts) @Broncos pic.twitter.com/TIPdkaplKN
— ProFootballReference (@pfref) October 19, 2018
cloppbeast
Footballguy
His career only lasted 2 seasons. So, yeah.Buffaloes said:
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I, too, would like to know what you mean by this.
Lindsay is no Bo. I have and will always maintain that had Bo played a full career he would have been a lock for HOF. Such was his dominance in the short time he did play.
That said, Lindsay is one of the more dynamic and electric backs today. He can’t be called elite, and can’t say this YPC will persist,
but man, does he excite whenever he has his hands on the ball. Only a handfull of backs I can say the same thing about, if that.
Hope it continues!
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Love the TD. Not loving the apparent carry split with Booker.
I get it, Vance doesn't care about my FF team, I am definitely colored by that regard. Also get that you don't want to make a lighter back like Lindsay a bell cow, if only for injury risk.
Just never thought Booker showed anything, so why NOT tilt the carries to the guy who has actually looked electric with nearly every carry?
How is the run/pass ratio looking for D so far, and is Lindsay being looked at in passing downs?
I get it, Vance doesn't care about my FF team, I am definitely colored by that regard. Also get that you don't want to make a lighter back like Lindsay a bell cow, if only for injury risk.
Just never thought Booker showed anything, so why NOT tilt the carries to the guy who has actually looked electric with nearly every carry?
How is the run/pass ratio looking for D so far, and is Lindsay being looked at in passing downs?
