RB PJ Hill arrested (1 Viewer)

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According to the UW Police Department, Hill will face several charges, including:

- DWI

- Operating without Headlights

- Reckless Driving

- Eluding an Officer (felony charge)

- 2nd Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety (felony charge)

UPDATED Monday, March 16, 2009 --- 5:40 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Former Wisconsin running back P.J. Hill has been arrested on suspicion of drunken driving and leading police on a chase.

The Wisconsin State Journal reports Hill, 22, was arrested around 2:30 a.m. Saturday morning.

The newspaper, citing court documents, says police were called to a campus-area gas station after a vehicle hit a guard rail and left. Police spotted the car at a traffic light.

The driver fled. Police gave chase until the car crashed into a retaining wall and stopped. Hill was arrested at gunpoint.

Hill was released from jail Monday on a signature bond. His attorney didn't immediately return messages Monday evening.

Hill is the third-leading rusher in Wisconsin history. He planned to enter this year's NFL draft.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

PJ Hill was likely a 5th-6th round pick in the NFL draft, I think we could all go out on a limb and assume he won't be getting drafted. This is really bad news for PJ Hill because he is skipping his Sr. year, I for one thought he should have finished college, now it looks like he's not even going to be drafted. If at all possible I think PJ should go back to school to get his degree even if it means he can't play ball in college.

 

[sho nuff]

What an idiot for skipping...though, he may have also seen the writing on the wall that he would not be featured as much as in the past at Wisconsin.

He rode what he did his freshman year for all it was worth...but I think he knew John Clay is a kid the coaches love and were trying to get the ball to more and more down the stretch last year.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I found another article on this here Link with a report that he has other charges pending in Arizona.

Hill also has charges pending against him in Scottsdale, Ariz., including drunken driving, unreasonable speed and making unsafe lane changes, Arizona court records indicate. He is due back in court in Arizona on Thursday.

2 DWI within the 2 months leading up to the draft, not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[Osaurus]

Unbelievable. Very sad to hear another story of someone with so much potential doing something so stupid. Seems like they are all getting in trouble way before entering the NFL.

 

[az_prof]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

A) This is the second count of this he's being charged with in 2 months. That's pretty absurd. Even the stupidest people I've known make absolutely certain not to drive with even the slightest drop of alcohol in them for a long, long time once they've been through something like this.B) We're what, a little over a month from the NFL draft? Yeah, people make some mistakes, but it takes a pretty screwed up person to risk hundreds of thousands of dollars and their entire future for something like this. And then to do it AGAIN a couple months later? Screw that, he doesn't deserve another chance, he can go ahead and fade off into obscurity working at Checkers. What a waste or natural talent.

 

[mmarsian]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

I'd like to see if you defending his behavior/actions if it wasn't a guardrail he hit, but rather a family member or significant other. In fact, not even someone close to you, just any innocent human being that was abiding by the law.While I can understand what you're trying to say, there is no excuse for drunk driving, let alone running from the cops. Anybody that drives drunk should be caught. Even though I don't drink and drive, if I did do it and got caught, I certainly wouldn't change my position.

 

[az_prof]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

I'd like to see if you defending his behavior/actions if it wasn't a guardrail he hit, but rather a family member or significant other. In fact, not even someone close to you, just any innocent human being that was abiding by the law.While I can understand what you're trying to say, there is no excuse for drunk driving, let alone running from the cops. Anybody that drives drunk should be caught. Even though I don't drink and drive, if I did do it and got caught, I certainly wouldn't change my position.

I am not saying what he did is right or doesn't deserve to be punished. But I AM saying that it shouldn't be the end of his football career. He is young and many people make mistakes when young. In the big scheme of things, this is a pretty minor mistake. It isn't like he shot someone; or beat someone up for no reason.I AM also saying that our society is hypocritical because we have a consumer/capitalist society that creates products which are bad for individuals and society, and yet the company that makes a profit off this is never held accountable. Liquor companies produce a product that makes you drunk. Bars and liquor stores sell these products. Media companies advertise these products, often during sporting events that young men watch, using ads that target these young men (scantily clad women parading around a pool as young men drink their Bud, eg.). We never judge these companies, yet they are responsible for creating a culture that produces drunk drivers.

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

I'd like to see if you defending his behavior/actions if it wasn't a guardrail he hit, but rather a family member or significant other. In fact, not even someone close to you, just any innocent human being that was abiding by the law.While I can understand what you're trying to say, there is no excuse for drunk driving, let alone running from the cops. Anybody that drives drunk should be caught. Even though I don't drink and drive, if I did do it and got caught, I certainly wouldn't change my position.

I am not saying what he did is right or doesn't deserve to be punished. But I AM saying that it shouldn't be the end of his football career. He is young and many people make mistakes when young. In the big scheme of things, this is a pretty minor mistake. It isn't like he shot someone; or beat someone up for no reason.

I don't think anyone is saying that he shouldn't get another chance. I think they were suggesting that since he was a marginal prospect to begin with, nobody was going to take a chance on him now. That has probably made his path to the NFL an extremely difficult one.

 

[nightmare]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input. Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training. As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc. Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity. He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence. Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from state to state-as it should be.

 

[sho nuff]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

I'd like to see if you defending his behavior/actions if it wasn't a guardrail he hit, but rather a family member or significant other. In fact, not even someone close to you, just any innocent human being that was abiding by the law.While I can understand what you're trying to say, there is no excuse for drunk driving, let alone running from the cops. Anybody that drives drunk should be caught. Even though I don't drink and drive, if I did do it and got caught, I certainly wouldn't change my position.

I am not saying what he did is right or doesn't deserve to be punished. But I AM saying that it shouldn't be the end of his football career. He is young and many people make mistakes when young. In the big scheme of things, this is a pretty minor mistake. It isn't like he shot someone; or beat someone up for no reason.I AM also saying that our society is hypocritical because we have a consumer/capitalist society that creates products which are bad for individuals and society, and yet the company that makes a profit off this is never held accountable. Liquor companies produce a product that makes you drunk. Bars and liquor stores sell these products. Media companies advertise these products, often during sporting events that young men watch, using ads that target these young men (scantily clad women parading around a pool as young men drink their Bud, eg.). We never judge these companies, yet they are responsible for creating a culture that produces drunk drivers.

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

They don't produce drunk drivers...they produce drunks. There is a reason why just about every one of their commercials states "please remember to drink responsibly".They realize that their customers have to make proper choices themselves...rather than blaming the freaking liquor companies.

 

[VTjkru]

I've never been arrested for drunk driving. None of my friends have either. I actually live in Madison as well and was hammered last night. I didnt drive home, took a cab.

But I guess that makes me part of the Moral Authority to expect others to do the same. Oh wait, he's a little younger than I am? Never mind, let's forgive him and pretend nothing ever happened, we all know that there's no other careers out there except for football.

 

[Multiple Scores]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

I'd like to see if you defending his behavior/actions if it wasn't a guardrail he hit, but rather a family member or significant other. In fact, not even someone close to you, just any innocent human being that was abiding by the law.While I can understand what you're trying to say, there is no excuse for drunk driving, let alone running from the cops. Anybody that drives drunk should be caught. Even though I don't drink and drive, if I did do it and got caught, I certainly wouldn't change my position.

I am not saying what he did is right or doesn't deserve to be punished. But I AM saying that it shouldn't be the end of his football career. He is young and many people make mistakes when young. In the big scheme of things, this is a pretty minor mistake. It isn't like he shot someone; or beat someone up for no reason.

I don't think anyone is saying that he shouldn't get another chance. I think they were suggesting that since he was a marginal prospect to begin with, nobody was going to take a chance on him now. That has probably made his path to the NFL an extremely difficult one.

This is exactly what I said in the original post. The only thing I added to this is if he has no shot in the NFL I hope he can go back for his final year and finish college. I don't think I was bashing the guy by point out that he's had 2 DWI in the past 2 months, I was simply reporting it because he was a 5th-6th before the trouble started and that he should consider getting his degree. I'm not sure if az-prof was directing his comments at my post, I don't see how I came off giving him that impression if true.

 

[az_prof]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input. Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training. As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc. Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity. He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence. Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

 

[Scooby1974]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input.Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training.

As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal

and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc.

Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity.

He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence.

Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from

state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

A wise choice on your part. To h@ll with personal responsibility, it's always someone else's fault. Do you happen to chase ambulances too?

 

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So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input. Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training. As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc. Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity. He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence. Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

I think you're missing the point here, PJ Hill was not even a lock before this to be drafted, it was possible he went undrafted, but likely a 5th-6th round pick. If PJ Hill does not make a roster, another deserving college prospect makes a roster, it is after all a competition.I think this analogy makes some sense - Chicago FD is hiring 10 firefighters. 100 people show up for the test, 80 of them are dismissed. They have there 10 guys and 10 reserves in place to take to the final phase of the hiring process. PJ Hill is the #9 candidate and will get a job as a firefighter since he's in the top 10. It comes to the attention of the decision makers that the #9 candidate (PJ Hill) has gotten 2 DUIs in the last month that they were not aware of until now. Do you think they would still hire PJ Hill or would the first reserve (#11) be asked if he would like the job.In the real world, the first reserve would receive the job, the guy who got the 2 DUIs would be told he didn't get the job.

 

[VTjkru]

Yup, it's not his career to begin with yet. So okay, he wont be playing in the NFL, big whoop he should have not gotten a DUI with a month to go before the draft. A draft that he was on the edge on to begin with. He lost an opportunity but not his life.

 

[az_prof]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input.Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training.

As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal

and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc.

Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity.

He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence.

Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from

state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

A wise choice on your part. To h@ll with personal responsibility, it's always someone else's fault. Do you happen to chase ambulances too?

No, I don't chase ambulances and I don't say "to H@ll with personal responsibility." I do wish PJ Hill well and hope he can deal with his problem and I do think society creates the framework in which individuals make their choices. Responsibility is shared. If you have ever been in Wisconsin you would know that the culture there is very much one of drinking. Culture affects personal behavior. I am done with this thread as it is becoming a flame war.

 

[sho nuff]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input. Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training. As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc. Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity. He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence. Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

Society does not train you to drive drunk...again...a ridiculous point IMO and just another example of someone making an excuse for someone else's lack of personal responsibility. Its always someone else's fault.

 

[sho nuff]

Drinking does not equal drinking and driving is your problem.

 

[Phurfur]

With all due respect to the Moral Authority around here, the kid got drunk (not a crime), drove (stupid crime but one that is VERY common and is in fact promoted by our culture through advertising), and ran from cops (stupid mistake probably motivated by fear of how this would affect his future). Unless he has a history of repeated mistakes I don't think this means his career is over nor do I think it proves he is a threat to humanity. I for one am more tired of the moral self-righteous constantly harping on mistakes that 18-25 year old men make. In my experience people in that age range are still learning and making mistakes is not limited to athletes. Color me tired of this type of story.

13,000 people died at the hands of drucken drivers in 2007. Your attitude is completely unacceptable. Wake up and get in touch with reality, we need to demand more from people not less.

 

[Phurfur]

So, it isn't that I am trying to say that these players should get drunk and drive; I am saying that as a society we are not consistent and I get tired of watching how we judge people for doing exactly what we trained them to do.

Trained? training is teaching some one over and over what they WANT-usually positive input. Suggestions (advertising, peer pressure)-not even close to training. As an adult you can ignore the constant bombardment of those sex ads(subliminal and not so subliminal). beer ads, etc, etc. Twice in this short of a time before the MOST IMPORTANT event in his life-stupidity. He made bad decisions with no thought of consequence. Inconsistent? Of course- it's OPINION, Laws (and punishment) vary from state to state-as it should be.

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture. I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

Geez, it is against the law, how hard is that to figure out!

 

[DeCleater]

I don't want to get into a debate about sociology. You have your opinion I have mine. In my view, companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in advertising to do one thing: train people to want their product. You really are underestimating the power of suggestive advertising when it saturates our whole culture.

I don't want to throw a kid under the bus for making a mistake that I feel society trains him (and many others) to make. I wonder how many 18-24 year old men in this country have had a DUI? I bet it is very high. Most do not lose their careers over it.

Jim Mora

advertising!

advertising!

Don't talk to me about advertising!

advertising!

Are you serious?

How come your the only one smart enough to realize the beer companies want you to drink their product. I don't want to be judgemental but how come everyone doesn't drive drunk?

It's called critical thinking skills, you don't have to blindly follow everything you see on TV. You'll learn this once you get out of college.

 

[mmarsian]

Bottom Line:

Drinking and driving is BAD. Not only is it wrong, it is a CRIME. If you want to do it, fine. But be fully prepared to deal with the judicial, social, and moral backlash if you do.

If you steal, you're not directly hurting someone. But you drink and drive and you're directly putting many people in danger of their lives. PJ Hill deserves whatever he gets and more, especially for being an ultra ##### and trying to run.

No moral high ground here. If, for some reason, I was caught in the same predicament, I would not expect anything less.

 

[sho nuff]

And az_prof...I notice you did not post the same things in the Stallworth thread. Want to blame that on the alcohol advertising too?