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RB Rachaad White, TB (1 Viewer)

barackdhouse said:
He is still way too cheap in redraft and best ball. Questions about his talent or about the team are obviously fair. But he is set to be the workhorse. Do I care how sexy the source of those fantasy points are, if they're coming from the 6th-8th round? I do not.
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Yea he’s going to catch a lot of passes. I wasn’t too impressed with him last year running the ball but there is no competitor at all. The Bucs clearly think he is easily the #1. Keyshawn Vaughn has always been terrible, don’t know why he’s still on the roster. Chase Edmonds probably doesn’t make the team. The Syracuse kid is an UDFA who is coming off an injury. Doubt there are too many backs with less competition really.
 
#Bucs OC Dave Canales on Rachaad White:

“I think the one thing that I’ve seen from him first-hand is just how versatile he is. ... I’m really excited to see like how we can utilize him in different ways, getting him the ball in space different ways. ... He’s a three-down back."
 
massraider said:
#Bucs OC Dave Canales on Rachaad White:

“I think the one thing that I’ve seen from him first-hand is just how versatile he is. ... I’m really excited to see like how we can utilize him in different ways, getting him the ball in space different ways. ... He’s a three-down back."
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Definitely one of the more polarizing players this offseason. The opportunity is there - at least for now - but so many seem to be scared off by his poor rushing metrics from last year.
 
zamboni said:
massraider said:
#Bucs OC Dave Canales on Rachaad White:

“I think the one thing that I’ve seen from him first-hand is just how versatile he is. ... I’m really excited to see like how we can utilize him in different ways, getting him the ball in space different ways. ... He’s a three-down back."
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Definitely one of the more polarizing players this offseason. The opportunity is there - at least for now - but so many seem to be scared off by his poor rushing metrics from last year.
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Because of the uncertainty long term, I wouldn’t be looking to acquire him in dynasty at starting RB prices - but I’d take a chance in redraft. Volume is king, and his biggest threat to losing his job is an UDFA who’s medicals scared teams off.
 
Faust said:
Alex Caruso @AlexCaruso
Rachaad White had the highest PFF Receiving Grade in his draft class

And his new QB Baker Mayfield throws to RBs at the highest rate in the NFL

White's offensive coordinator just said that he will be a three down RB

Yet he still goes as the RB25 in Drafts
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That Mayfield stat is misleading. He threw to Christian McCaffrey a lot last year when they were in Carolina together. He was never among the league leaders in RB targets when he was in Cleveland. Mayfield is very much a downfield passer first, and checkdown second QB.
 
ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports Bucs coaches see “star potential” in RB Rachaad White.
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Fowler said the team has expanded White’s route tree this offseason. The second-year back, who struggled as a rusher behind a suspect Tampa offensive line in 2022, is expected to see a “heavy workload” as the team’s lead back this season. An excellent and productive pass catcher in college, White — who caught 50 of 58 targets as a rookie — could be a major value pick in PPR formats this summer. He’s being taken as the 26th running back off the board.
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I mean, who else do they have ? White is going to be 'the guy' until he breaks, at least for 2023. Pretty good value if you're getting him in rounds 8/9!
 
rockaction said:
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Now that's a take. By the way, I don't think the guy making the claim is part of Rotounderworld -- he was just on their show. At least he wasn't part of them last year when he appeared on their show. Back then, he was pumping Pacheco.

He just said Rachaad White is better than Bijan, I think, so let's take it all with a grain of salt.
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Yeah, I believe he is with FFMetrics.

I listened to most of this podcast. Later, he also said AT Perry was the second best WR in this class. I believe he had Michael Wilson at 1.
 
JoeJoe88 said:
I listened to most of this podcast. Later, he also said AT Perry was the second best WR in this class. I believe he had Michael Wilson at 1.
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I don't want to accuse anybody of anything, but you can sure make a name for yourself holding opinions very far off from consensus. Either that or you can just be way, way off and need some talking down from the ledge or limb you're out on.
 
Yeah I heard that podcast and I was a stunned. I mean if that’s what you believe, cool. But wow are those takes are scoooorching.
 
I get that the guy nailed Pacheco last year, but so did Waldman. Even broken clocks are right twice a day. I'm fine with saying Rachaad over Breece in redraft, especially the way the Jets are shaping up this offseason, but better than two first-round picks? I'm not so sure about how wise that'll look come next year.

And was this redraft or dynasty? I can see a case for redraft purposes, but can't see dynasty for any of the three guys. Anyway, the FF Metrics guy has his market and obviously works hard and knows stuff. I just think he's misplaced in these takes.
 
efactor said:
Loipz said:
Faust said:
PlayerProfiler @rotounderworld
Rachaad White > Breece Hall
Rachaad White > Bijan Robinson
Rachaad White > Jahmyr Gibbs

@FFMetrics brought the HEAT on #MindOfMansion!
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This man said Pacheco is better than Breece Hall also 🥴
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I've said a lot of stupid shiot over the course of my life when drunk, but nothing even close to that
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Amen to that 😂
 
Seems to me like that guy’s whole schtick is to make outlandish claims to stand out. So if a RB goes from like RB30 to RB15, he can still claim that he was higher on that RB than anyone else, he knows how to find the high risers, etc. Nevermind being dead wrong on saying that RB is the best in his class. Who needs credibility when you’ve baited people to noticing you? Anything for those interactions. That’s the prevailing notion it seems.

I’m getting the same vibe as those randos on Twitter that make up reports on players signing with a team, in hopes that it does happen and they can troll the media to say they got the scoop first. Maybe I’m being harsh here but as someone who likes Pacheco and White, that guy can’t possibly believe what he’s selling. I’m not buying it.
 
Loipz said:
Well in this case the host agrees with him
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I don't think the proprietor of Rotounderworld is really in agreement with this cat. I think it's like when somebody drops an inappropriate joke on-air and you try to laugh it off. You're not agreeing with or laughing at the joke, you're just moving on.

Or maybe he did agree with him. The whole thing sounded so stupid that it reminded me of Shawshank and the "obtuse" line.
 
rockaction said:
. I think it's like when somebody drops an inappropriate joke on-air and you try to laugh it off. You're not agreeing with or laughing at the joke, you're just moving on
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I think we can assume the Podfather simply let it go, in keeping with his history of warmly welcoming differing opinions, as has become his trademark.
 
massraider said:
I think we can assume the Podfather simply let it go, in keeping with his history of warmly welcoming differing opinions, as has become his trademark.
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Touché. But it's harder for me to believe that he buys that garbage. Unless for some reason he broke in the Kool-Aid at that guy's place or something.
 
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rockaction said:
Loipz said:
Well in this case the host agrees with him
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I don't think the proprietor of Rotounderworld is really in agreement with this cat. I think it's like when somebody drops an inappropriate joke on-air and you try to laugh it off. You're not agreeing with or laughing at the joke, you're just moving on.

Or maybe he did agree with him. The whole thing sounded so stupid that it reminded me of Shawshank and the "obtuse" line.
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On Pacheco not so much but on the man LOVES Rachaad White for sure lol I swear I hear it every time RBs get brought up.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
massraider said:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Chase Edmonds is listed as the second running back on the depth chart.
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Nothing but good news for White, all offseason
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There has been some mention of Edmonds winning the third down/two minute role. That would not be good news for White.
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It doesn't surprise me, when I watched highlights from last year he looks slow. I am sure he will get a decent amount of check-downs from Mayfield, but yea he is already just a guy with a lot of volume on a bad offense.
 
Not saying they won’t be bad with Mayfield, but the Browns ran the crap out of the ball just fine with him at QB.

I really think people are underestimating how archaic this offense was last year with Leftwich calling the shots. Laughably predictable play calling. Complete disdain for analytics. They were 25th or so in total offense I think. Last in rushing. There’s a greater than zero chance this offense is better simply due to scheme change and balance.

Defense should keep them in games. They’re going to be more committed to running it without Brady.
 
Anyone have any updates on this?

“According to Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times, second-year RB Rachaad White "buckled and fell without contact and came up limping" after taking a handoff in practice. He walked off the sideline under his own power and received attention from the trainers.”
 
DeaLerZ said:
Anyone have any updates on this?

“According to Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times, second-year RB Rachaad White "buckled and fell without contact and came up limping" after taking a handoff in practice. He walked off the sideline under his own power and received attention from the trainers.”
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He’s fine.
 
Last year Rachaad White had the 12th most targets and 11th most receptions among all RBs.
Last year Leonard Fournette had the 4th most targets and 3rd most receptions among all RBs.

Leonard Fournette is no longer on this team.

Baker Mayfield is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. He has tanked the value of every WR he's ever played with, that didn't catch the ball within 5 yards.
But... within those 5 yards, he's never shown an issue getting the ball to guys like Landry, Hunt, or CMC in limited action last year.

In the first 6 weeks of 2022 in Carolina, CMC received 43 targets, of which he caught 33, for 277 yards.
That's a 17 game pace of 121 targets, 93 receptions, and 784 yards.

White is not CMC, I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, I'm just trying to display that of all the shortcomings of Baker's play, he hasn't seemed to cripple the production of the RBs he's played with. Although, to be fair, he's played with arguably 2 of the best RBs in the NFL in Chubb and CMC, so it's probably not even a fair statement.

Baker went to LAR last year and played week 14-18.
In those weeks Akers <blah blah blah> per game, here is his 17 game pace:
295/1536/13 + 37/34/336/0 for 17.8PPG and 303 Total Fantasy Points.

That's heavily weighted by TDs, but regardless that's RB5 overall and RB5 in PPG.

Long story short, White has a clear path to workload. Even if he didn't he has a clear path to a pass catching role that can easily rival top 5 in the league. Despite Baker sucking, his RBs have been extremely productive for 1 reason or another. (I've always supported the notion that QBs who are good enough to move the ball, but no one trusts to score, are a RBs best friend, aka thanks for getting us here, but we don't trust you to not screw it up, please hand it to the RB) and the Bucs have VERY good WRs, that should prevent stacked boxes for a few weeks, until Defenses do what they always do, and DARE Baker to throw the ball, because they know that's the easiest path to a victory.

Regardless, as the pass catching back, game script won't matter, so you don't have to care how much TB sucks this year. Baker can at least make dump off throws and hasn't shown any resistance to take them when available.

Tl;dr no one hates Baker more than me, on this forum... arguably the world. (I literally draft the Kicker of Baker's team each year, so I can root for him to fail and benefit from it with a FG for my fantasy Kicker) and I'm all aboard the White train. But... I think his ADP is creeping up once TB/Baker showed signs of life in last weeks pre-season game, and he might price himself out of my strategy. At the 6/7 wrap I was willing to make him one of the better ZRB targets on my board. Him, Javonte, Herbert, Kamara, J.Cook, and Gibson. If I could get 4WRs, TE, and QB, and then get 2-3 of these guys in rounds 7/8/9, I was really liking my teams. But ADPs are getting all kinds of jumbled right now, so we'll see how the next 2 weeks go.
 
Grahamburn said:
@FFCollusion

Why such intense Baker hatred?
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He's terrible and Cleveland never should have benched Tyrod for him, well at least not that soon. I called him a bust in 2018 based on just seeing him in preseason.
He's found ways to cripple some of the best WRs in fantasy football, and this year will likely do it again to Evans and Godwin.
Everyone tries to give him credit for turning the Browns around when in reality, the Browns completely rehauled their entire team, Baker was just a small part of it. But everyone wants to give him 99% of the credit, despite the arrival of Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, a top 5 Oline, and a top 10 defense.
He got them a single playoff win on a team that with almost any competent QB, was a legitimate SB level team. Cle had a window where they were genuine threats for the SB for 3, maybe 4 years, and Baker single handedly robbed them of that opportunity. But because he won a single playoff game, that fan base has crowned him as some type of god, because 27 TD passes as a rookie, and 1 playoff game.
Baker has seasons of 7, 6, and 8 wins, but because he had a single season of 11, people lose their minds.
Then they want to blame the franchise, meanwhile Jacobs Brissett (and a garbage looking Watson) come in in 2022 and immediately wins 7 games for the Browns. Baker goes to Carolina, didn't deserve the starting job, but the coaches can't help themselves, hand it to him anyways, he still looks like hot garbage, gets benched, rightfully so. He goes to LAR has 1 miracle game, and immediately reverts into a pumpkin, gets shipped off again. Now we're in TB, and I'm betting it's the exact same outcome. His name value will get him the starting job, he'll destroy Mike Evans historic pace of 1,000 yard seasons, and make him useless in fantasy, get himself benched again for some loser whose name I can't even think of right now... Is it Trask?

I've never seen a QB do less, with more, than Baker Mayfield. They gave him Landry, Chubb, Hunt, Njoku, top 5 Oline, top 10 defense, OBJ, DJ Moore, CMC, Akers, now he's getting Evans, Godwin, and White... honestly we're just lucky we never had to see Cooper Kupp play with Baker Mayfield, I'm not sure we could handle seeing that atrocity.

He has gotten almost every single HC and OC he's played with fired, and somehow people turn that around as if it's an excuse for him to suck, because he's had so much change around him. NO! It changed because he was so terrible, and people falsely believes he was so good, that they blamed literally anyone OTHER than Baker... But every year he continues to show the same results, no matter who his coaches or coordinators are. Even McVay couldn't make him look competent for more than a single game.

Baker Mayfield did not make Cleveland good...
Cleveland made Baker Mayfield look good, but have somehow convinced themselves it was the other way around. And the further we get away from that 1 playoff win, the more people are going to judge Baker on his actual accomplishments (lack thereof) and not just the stark difference of what the Browns has been used to.

Baker Fans, and Cleveland fans, are like domestic violence survivors, who were so used to be beaten black and blue, that they consider being starved to death a significant upgrade, because at least he isn't sending them to the hospital.

One day, people are going to look at Baker's time in the league, and fairly judge his career for what it actually is, not just for the perception of what the Browns were before him.

So, to sum up, I've never seen a QB fail as often or as hard as Baker, despite being given every advantage in the world a QB could dream of, and somehow find a way to dodge blame for 5 or 6 years, while everyone around him get sacrificed to keep his life alive. I hate him because it feels obvious that he sucks at football and does not belong on an NFL field (well he's backup material at least) but every day for 6 years, people keep telling this lie, that is not Balers fault, it's everyone else's fault he hasn't succeeded.

I assume we all know people like this in real life. Have had every advantage you can imagine, but everything they touches goes to absolute sh!t, and everyone who's ever tried to help them had to take the fall for their failures, even though you know exactly what happened, and you watch that person continue to get opportunity after opportunity that they don't deserve? They never take accountability, and what's even worse is no one else holds them accountable either? Their parents or friends have all been brainwashed to also tell you it's not their fault? And you feel like you're taking crazy pills, because the entire world is trying to gaslight you into believe Baker Mayfield should be a starting QB...

Does that answer your question? 😂
 
FFCollusion said:
Last year Rachaad White had the 12th most targets and 11th most receptions among all RBs.
Last year Leonard Fournette had the 4th most targets and 3rd most receptions among all RBs.

Leonard Fournette is no longer on this team.

Baker Mayfield is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. He has tanked the value of every WR he's ever played with, that didn't catch the ball within 5 yards.
But... within those 5 yards, he's never shown an issue getting the ball to guys like Landry, Hunt, or CMC in limited action last year.

In the first 6 weeks of 2022 in Carolina, CMC received 43 targets, of which he caught 33, for 277 yards.
That's a 17 game pace of 121 targets, 93 receptions, and 784 yards.

White is not CMC, I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, I'm just trying to display that of all the shortcomings of Baker's play, he hasn't seemed to cripple the production of the RBs he's played with. Although, to be fair, he's played with arguably 2 of the best RBs in the NFL in Chubb and CMC, so it's probably not even a fair statement.

Baker went to LAR last year and played week 14-18.
In those weeks Akers <blah blah blah> per game, here is his 17 game pace:
295/1536/13 + 37/34/336/0 for 17.8PPG and 303 Total Fantasy Points.

That's heavily weighted by TDs, but regardless that's RB5 overall and RB5 in PPG.

Long story short, White has a clear path to workload. Even if he didn't he has a clear path to a pass catching role that can easily rival top 5 in the league. Despite Baker sucking, his RBs have been extremely productive for 1 reason or another. (I've always supported the notion that QBs who are good enough to move the ball, but no one trusts to score, are a RBs best friend, aka thanks for getting us here, but we don't trust you to not screw it up, please hand it to the RB) and the Bucs have VERY good WRs, that should prevent stacked boxes for a few weeks, until Defenses do what they always do, and DARE Baker to throw the ball, because they know that's the easiest path to a victory.

Regardless, as the pass catching back, game script won't matter, so you don't have to care how much TB sucks this year. Baker can at least make dump off throws and hasn't shown any resistance to take them when available.

Tl;dr no one hates Baker more than me, on this forum... arguably the world. (I literally draft the Kicker of Baker's team each year, so I can root for him to fail and benefit from it with a FG for my fantasy Kicker) and I'm all aboard the White train. But... I think his ADP is creeping up once TB/Baker showed signs of life in last weeks pre-season game, and he might price himself out of my strategy. At the 6/7 wrap I was willing to make him one of the better ZRB targets on my board. Him, Javonte, Herbert, Kamara, J.Cook, and Gibson. If I could get 4WRs, TE, and QB, and then get 2-3 of these guys in rounds 7/8/9, I was really liking my teams. But ADPs are getting all kinds of jumbled right now, so we'll see how the next 2 weeks go.
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It is exhausting having to ”like” all of your posts….
 
these 'if' players are killing me.
George Pickens
I. Pacheco
Rachaad White
Javonte Williams

And I have all of them in a dynasty league but have to cut or trade some or all of them. White is hard to let go but hard to keep. TB is going to be woefully bad. baker mayfield bad. but the line isn't the browns line where Nick Chubb made it work regardless. I don't think White has that talent. One thing FFcollusion missed was to never underestimate Todd Bowles ability to eff this thing up. he was a lousy HC with the jets, and I'm not seeing any improvement in TB. so add Bowles + Mayfield and you have a disaster heading your way. like a tropical storm that becomes a hurricane. fewer first downs, fewer total yards, less time of possession, less pts, less opportunities for White. the mirage is that he's going to be a bell cow 250 carry RB with 60+ catches. the reality is he's probably a 175 carry, 45 catch RB with 8 total TDs. so, sell on the mirage and don't buy on the reality. too many ifs here
 
Non-sexy league winner type. Nobody wants him to be the guy, but he's capable of 1,100 yards and a decent amount of catches to boot.


He's a better talent than D Pierce and people were gaga about that dude last year. Just a boring starting RB in a piss poor offense, but Tampa will be defensive based and run this cat into the ground.


Lesser RBs have produced with the same amount of carries he will get. Sean Tucker is not a threat at this time. I trust the NFL when that dude went undrafted. I learned from Lache Seastrunk when I thought I was smarter than NFL brass, lol.
 
I’m telling you guys now, I think Sean Tucker is better. I’m not sure he takes the job later this year or next year but he’s way more explosive. I’ll still draft white in my one league if I can (Tampa league so he’ll likely get over drafted) but I want Tucker for the end of the year.
 
rockaction said:
Capella said:
I’m telling you guys now, I think Sean Tucker is better
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A lot of us do. The only question and reason he's not getting more buzz here is that not a lot of dynasty guys drafted him due to his heart condition.
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Have White in my keeper league and hoping to draft Tucker late. Fortunately Tucker hasn’t made a ton of noise and there’s not a lot of sharks in my league, so I stand a good chance of getting him.
 
massraider said:
And no one was stumping for White when he came out, so everyone is spinning everyone in Tampa saying he's the guy cause they don't want to believe.
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True. I personally think White's a competent, underrated back, and Tucker has receiving questions, but that Tucker is a better runner. You're right, though. Tampa has repeatedly said White's the guy, so we will see. There really is no way to spin their unequivocal backing of White.
 
rockaction said:
massraider said:
And no one was stumping for White when he came out, so everyone is spinning everyone in Tampa saying he's the guy cause they don't want to believe.
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True. I personally think White's a competent, underrated back, and Tucker has receiving questions, but that Tucker is a better runner. You're right, though. Tampa has repeatedly said White's the guy, so we will see. There really is no way to spin their unequivocal backing of White.
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Oh white is defintiely going to be the guy to get us started but at some point there will be an injury like there always is or poor performance or just a shakeup needed and Tucker will get his chance. He looks very explosive.
 
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