Hot Sauce Guy
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Yes!
As a shareholder in 2 leagues I was a little concerned about his pending FA.
Underrated RB in dynasty & redraft. I’m excited about his potential as the centerpiece of that offense.
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RB Rhamondre Stevenson, NE (1 Viewer)
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As a shareholder in 2 leagues I was a little concerned about his pending FA.
Underrated RB in dynasty & redraft. I’m excited about his potential as the centerpiece of that offense.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Major, major development. The Belichick regime would have most likely let him walk, as they seemed to keep lead RB's on a 3-year window. Going back to 2000, Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon are the only RB's to lead the team in rushing yards for three separate seasons.
At age 26 I would be surprised if he made it through the entire four years, but it's nice to know his role and immediate future is secure. He has an every-down skill-set. Just need the run blocking to be on point and Stevenson will do well. I always thought it was a good sign that they didn't draft his replacement. I'm glad he's staying.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He did just turn 26 in Feb, so it’s a young 26, but I agree that it’s unlikely he plays the entire contract out.
I like the re-signing. Stevenson is the best player on that offense and having him around can only help a young QB develop. I'll be very interested to see what he can do in a Van Pelt offense, as that is a lot more RB friendly than NE has been of late. Stevenson is a solid RB2 in my opinion, and this extension only makes me more confident in that.
Most player contracts and for sure the RB contracts are designed where the guarantees run out in two years. I believe Barkley is only RB from the group this off-season to see guarantees in the third year of his deal but they are minimal, main thing is that his contract, like most RB contracts, are designed for an easy exit out if the teams want to go that direction after 2 years or less. I'm sure same thing will be for Rhamondre, except in his case the easy out is probably 3 years away since the extension does not kick in until his 4th season is over.
So for Rhamondre's dynasty value I consider this great news, very happy. It's a legit 3 year minimum commitment for a 26 year old which I love to see, feel like you can plan around him as a staple of your fantasy teams RB rotation for that timeframe.
Not so sure it's wise by NE to extend him for those terms when he has a year left, not the move I'd have advocated doing from their angle.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And not for nothing, his trade value should jump as well with the news, so long as he stays healthy.
I have him in 2 leagues - if I’m not competitive at the deadline I might add him to the list of players to move.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
" the extension does not kick in until his 4th season is over."
-That is how I understand it and think a lot of folks overlook this part when they read about a player being extended
Of course any signing bonus is immediately dumped into their bank accounts but yes, anyone extended between years 3 and 4 on a rookie deal, must honor year 4.
1st Rd picks have possible 5th year options but those typically only play out if both sides cannot find common ground for an extension
Good stuff Meno
Rookiefever
Footballguy
It’s crazy to me that jacobs got more money than Mixon and stevensonAdam Schefter
Rhamondre Stevenson’s extension makes him the 7th highest-paid RB in the NFL on a per-year basis:
Christian McCaffrey: $19M
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Why? Mixon is 1.5 yrs older, and he and Rhamondre are the same age (well, 12 days apart). Rhamondre may have less mileage, but in 2 of his first 3 seasons, he missed 5 games each.It’s crazy to me that jacobs got more money than Mixon and stevensonAdam Schefter
Rhamondre Stevenson’s extension makes him the 7th highest-paid RB in the NFL on a per-year basis:
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Injury History
| Date | League | Injury | Details |
|---|---|---|---|
| Sep 1, 2021 | NFL | Hand Thumb Dislocation | Stevenson suffered a dislocated thumb in practice. He was available for the season opener versus the Dolphins |
| Nov 7, 2021 | NFL | Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 | Stevenson exited Week 9's game against the Panthers due to a head injury. He suited up for the next game |
| Nov 25, 2021 | NFL | Knee Strain Grade 1 | Stevenson had a knee issue ahead of the Week 12's game against the Titans |
| Dec 12, 2022 | NFL | Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 | Stevenson was ruled out in the 2nd half of Week 14. He made a surprising return for Week 15. |
| Dec 3, 2023 | NFL | Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 | Stevenson left in the first quarter of Week 13 vs. the Chargers with a high ankle sprain on his right foot. He missed the remainder of the 2023 season. |
massraider
Footballguy
ESPN piece on Patriots
Reiss mentions an interesting stat:
Reiss also brings up the unusual move of re-signing Stevenson early. 17 mill guaranteed on a 4 year extension. That's nothing. I don't care what player you are talking about, 17 mill guaranteed over 4 years isn't hurting anyone's payroll.
The team guaranteed 32 mill to Kyle Dugger. 15.8 mill to Hunter Henry. (Hunter Henry?) Those deals have a much better chance of going badly for the team.
I know they signed Antonio Gibson, and the absolute dumbest fantasy jagoffs on Twitter are acting like all this money is invested in the backfield. 5 mill guaranteed to Gibson. Not a lot of money.
Patriots have 91 mill in cap space next season. They have already re-signed their best player in Barmore.
You have a rookie QB with hopes and aspirations at WR. Maybe getting rid of his best weapon isn't the smartest thing? Worry about overpaying your RB when you have other good players to re-sign.
Reiss mentions an interesting stat:
Reiss also brings up the unusual move of re-signing Stevenson early. 17 mill guaranteed on a 4 year extension. That's nothing. I don't care what player you are talking about, 17 mill guaranteed over 4 years isn't hurting anyone's payroll.
The team guaranteed 32 mill to Kyle Dugger. 15.8 mill to Hunter Henry. (Hunter Henry?) Those deals have a much better chance of going badly for the team.
I know they signed Antonio Gibson, and the absolute dumbest fantasy jagoffs on Twitter are acting like all this money is invested in the backfield. 5 mill guaranteed to Gibson. Not a lot of money.
Patriots have 91 mill in cap space next season. They have already re-signed their best player in Barmore.
You have a rookie QB with hopes and aspirations at WR. Maybe getting rid of his best weapon isn't the smartest thing? Worry about overpaying your RB when you have other good players to re-sign.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What’s the point of this?
Lansdowne
Footballguy
That’s what I’m trying to figure out too, because all it’s told me is he’s missed relatively few games due to injury (mostly the end of last season).
Also that table came from Draft Sharks and it’s only right that they be credited for it:
Rhamondre Stevenson Injury History & Updates
Rhamondre Stevenson injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.
www.draftsharks.com
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
None seem like recurring injuries. Dislocated thumb? Couple soft tissue sprains & a concussion.That’s what I’m trying to figure out too, because all it’s told me is he’s missed relatively few games due to injury (mostly the end of last season).
Also that table came from Draft Sharks and it’s only right that they be credited for it:
Rhamondre Stevenson Injury History & Updates
Rhamondre Stevenson injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.
in total that sounds like an average week for Fred Taylor. lol
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Solid analysis in your post. Pats aren't trying to win this year. I highlighted the above because I think Henry could be a sneaky good TE for fantasy this year. A solid TE is a rookie QB's best friend not to mention he seems well liked by the team (being a captain last year). He's also an above average blocker IIRC.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed. I tried to get him this offseason but owner is bullish as well.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
RB20
ADP-83
Monty, Jones-RS-Swift is the area or region of the Draft that he tends to go in right now.
Late 7th in a 12-team format
Early 9th in 10 team leagues
Smells like a strong RB3, if he bounces back to his early form/career and catches plenty of balls from his rookie QB, he should do pretty well
RS has been a borderline RB1 at times in his career, stronger RB2, could be an ideal RB3 for some teams.
Some of the other names I emntioned play on better offenses and even part of an RBBC, they might be safer picks than RS
ADP-83
Monty, Jones-RS-Swift is the area or region of the Draft that he tends to go in right now.
Late 7th in a 12-team format
Early 9th in 10 team leagues
Smells like a strong RB3, if he bounces back to his early form/career and catches plenty of balls from his rookie QB, he should do pretty well
RS has been a borderline RB1 at times in his career, stronger RB2, could be an ideal RB3 for some teams.
Some of the other names I emntioned play on better offenses and even part of an RBBC, they might be safer picks than RS
Good.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Aiyuk could be a big boost to the offense. More drives sustained, more scoring opportunities.
Yep, RS is going to get the same amount of carries (ish) no matter who the WR's are.
So with Ayiuk, it means:
1. Less stacked boxes if they respect the pass more
2. More 1st downs which are often running plays
3. More time closer to the goalline which is huge for TD chances
Nothing but good things for RS if Ayiuk ends up there.
agreed. but with the rookie(Maye) at QB (which I think happens at some point this year) I think a defensive Coordinator will still stack the box and force the rookie to beat them with his arm.
once the Maye shows he can do that, then what you have described will likely come to pass.
hard to tell how this plays out with Brisset. Maybe the same, but maybe not.
I think getting a top WR cant hurt the situation and may help. but if the QB is not up to the task, it may take a while til you see this
Ya.... I mean I'm not going crazy, but I would bump him maybe HALF a round if Ayiuk lands there. Nothing major.
and that's probably fair.
I do think hes in line for a decent year. the Pats just paid him a lot of cash. I think they want to prove that hes the player they think he is.
he will get a lot of love in that offense. unfortunately the offense may be lacking some but he is likely a volume based RB2 with some upside
agreed. if he gets serviceable blocking. I watched part of one of their exhibition games and the line looked like a dogs breakfast. not sure if these were the starters or not but it looked real ugly. which is of course somewhat concerning if buying into that offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ah, yes. We’ve finally reached “clicks on every player topic with an impending sense of dread” SZN.
Relieved to see positive news.
Relieved to see positive news.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This. See, for example, Curtis Samuel, turf toe.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Probably same workload which is likely to be impressive.
My hope is that Maye can competently move the chains & check down to RS over, and over, and over again.
Chaka
Footballguy
Still a bottom five offense and Gibson is an upgrade over Zeke.
Barring a miraculous turnaround he's probably a decent depth piece of a magic football team at best.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Whoops- guess my bitterness from last year got the best of me. Good role and game
Also think the bengals freaking suck
Also think the bengals freaking suck
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Well on the bright side, your efforts to trade away Stevenson and Achane for whatever you can get should be easier after this week.
Nobody wants RS...i have already sent 3 trades and no takers
Nobody still wants Achane. I don't think he made anyone more confident
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah that's pretty wild. I can see them not wanting to pay a 1st for him, but I'd happily give a 2nd for him after seeing how they used him week 1 and how he did with the touches. Bengals aren't world beaters on defense, but definitely in the top half of the league. Even if I didn't "need" a RB I'd be interested. It's a long season and the injuries will be hitting eventually.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
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25 carries!!
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Start your RBs against that Cincy defense.
Boston
Footballguy
The key for Stevenson will be the Pats D ability to keep things close...if that happens, I believe they are committed to giving him a ton of carries because that is how Mayo wants to play this year...since he is solid in the passing game it will not be a disaster if they have to play catch-up which they will be doing with their schedule...Stevenson looks like he really got himself into great shape this offseason and as long as he stays healthy, he should be a solid #2 RB and if you can get him as your #3 I think he would be great in that role.
I think that is the huge key. I don't suspect that will be the case going forward in most games and they are going to need to open it up (and can't) and then he is lost in the game plan...
I'll take the week 1 points but I suspect it doesn't even close to hold up
Boston
Footballguy
I don’t think he will get lost in the game plan because of his receiving ability but to maximize his value you want to see games like last Sunday.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don't think Stevenson will have as many good outcomes as Week 1. Against better prepared teams, RS won't be as fortunate. Go back and watch the highlights . . . he was hit multiple times in the backfield and somehow shook loose. Against teams that could tackle, he would have had half as many yards . . . 25 carries for 60 yards doesn't sound quite as enticing. I also don't think the Pats will be in position to run the ball nearly 40 times again. If the game script is NE falling behind and having to pass most of the game, I think Gibson could see plenty of snaps.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Rhamondre Stevenson could still get ~1,300 total yards from scrimmage and 6 total TD's and that would put him in the high end fantasy RB2 range that he was at in 2022 (when that offense was also garbage). And that was with Damien Harris taking 123 touches over the course of the season. 123 touches would be an improvement on the 113 that Antonio Gibson had last season with the Commanders, a team that had the second worst record in the NFL and was in negative game script more often than not. I think, assuming Stevenson has a healthy 2024, that is the best case outcome for Gibson.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I think people need to take a close look at all his touches this week. He aces the eyeball test. Dude is more than legit. Big and quick with good receiving ability. The jump cuts are really impressive for somebody his size.
I believe Stevenson is a top-5 RB as far as talent, easily top-10. He'd be a league-winner in Dallas. Yes, the offense is plenty questionable, but he'll score FF points on ability, alone. Kinda funny people are touting KWIII's performance in a not great offense, but aren't giving Dre ANY love. That said, I understand the downside if the Pats suck.
If Maye can keep defenses honest and their D is as good as it looks right now, this cat is gonna be a huge surprise. FFers should take him more seriously, IMO.
I believe Stevenson is a top-5 RB as far as talent, easily top-10. He'd be a league-winner in Dallas. Yes, the offense is plenty questionable, but he'll score FF points on ability, alone. Kinda funny people are touting KWIII's performance in a not great offense, but aren't giving Dre ANY love. That said, I understand the downside if the Pats suck.
If Maye can keep defenses honest and their D is as good as it looks right now, this cat is gonna be a huge surprise. FFers should take him more seriously, IMO.
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I mean he didn't do anything last year...and this offense is probably just as bad
Football Jones
Footballguy
It was a colossal mistake, but he shared with Zeke last year. WAY underutilized. He's the type of RB who can really get rolling with a lot of touches. Gibson is a JAG and the first week was pretty telling how they feel about their RB room. Yes, I realize they could be playing from behind in a lot of games, but that's ok. Dre is a good receiver and certainly better than Gibby (despite what many think).
Two more things, as well...their D looks better and they actually might have a decent QB (when the change takes place this season).
The main thing is the talent. Also, last year in NFL terms is like a decade in real life. Personnel dynamics move fast. Stevenson is massively undervalued in dynasty. We'll see about this season, but if things fall right, he'll be a steal. Will he have bad games? Sure. They all do, but even if things go sour, he'll likely be worth his ADP on volume, alone.
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