RB RJ Harvey, DEN (1 Viewer)

[Soulfly3]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

 

[JohnnyU]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

I think in this moment they go hand-in-hand in RB discussion for the Broncos.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

I think in this moment they go hand-in-hand in RB discussion for the Broncos.

This is yr 5 for Dobbins and while last yr looked like comeback and it would of been his 1st 1k plus rushing season... he once again missed multiple games. I think we should expect the same, hot start then in a few weeks things will slow down quick; good time to buy Harvey during that stretch

 

[JohnnyU]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

I think in this moment they go hand-in-hand in RB discussion for the Broncos.

This is yr 5 for Dobbins and while last yr looked like comeback and it would of been his 1st 1k plus rushing season... he once again missed multiple games. I think we should expect the same, hot start then in a few weeks things will slow down quick; good time to buy Harvey during that stretch

I'm not denying what you're saying. All I'm saying is that Dobbins is a good luxury stash, not a preplanned part of your starting lineup. So, from that angle Dobbins is a good guy to have.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still pretty bullish on Harvey and think by Week 5-6 he should be established as one of their playmakers or catch a lot of balls like he did in college and his head coach enjoys exploiting the RBs
I'm talking as a playmaker catching balls from Bo Nix

-You don't have to be the biggest fan or rave about how good or bad you think RJ Harvey is
It's not unreasonable that he is put in a position for about 10 carries a game and anywhere from 2-3-4+ catches a week once he gets rolling. TDs might be hard to predict and I'm not expecting him to take on the role of thumper inside the 5-10 yd line but he did score a lot the last 2 years in college, this is the NFL which is much harder but he's not new to being featured or touching the ball a lot. I'll adjust my projections just a tad

160-180 carries and he has a decent OL, 800-900 rush yds if he's worth his salt
50 catches, 400 yds

1,200 total yds, 50+ receptions which helps a lot in PPR
5-6+ TDs unreasonable?
Denver RBs have caught over 200 passes in the last 2 years, he's being projected in the 15-20 range from a lot of sites, my numbers would come in under those expectations
That said, I think Harvey could do a lot more than what I listed.
What if he ends up with 70+ catches and closer to 1,500 yds of offense? Push the TDs up to 8-9 vs 5-6 and you can see how much further up the pole he can go

I like the upside and I believe he is worth a roll of the dice where he's being drafted towards the end of the 5th round in 12 teams and closer to the Mid 6th in 10 team formats
He's not that cheap but you likely are not taking him as your RB1, he can be a strong RB2 prospect or part of a RB2/3 platoon that many start assembling around the 6th and beyond to try and fill up flex positions as well. Harvey works in most redraft game plans, will he actually execute and produce the numbers many are anticipating? Your choice what you want to believe

 

[Mitchie]

Think has most bust votes I've seen on the FBG team sleeper/busts articles, interesting...

 

[efactor]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

I think in this moment they go hand-in-hand in RB discussion for the Broncos.

This is yr 5 for Dobbins

Year 6 if you count the year he missed completely when he got hurt preseason (2021).

 

[Dez]

Harvey is one of the most polarizing players this year.
I have heard he will be a league winner and you are steeling him in the 5th/6th round.
I have heard that JK Dobbins is going to be the starter from others
I have heard that Harvey is a 9th round pick from others
I have heard from others JK is the best thing for Harvey because it drive Harvey's price down and is not a threat

 

[TripItUp]

I'm on team Harvey mostly because Sean Payton is.

If anybody in this thread thinks they know more about Harvey than Sean Payton...I've got some oceanfront property in AZ I'd like to show you.

 

[Harjiran]

Given Payton's track record the past couple of years, it seems likely that we'll see some sort of committee in DEN this year and most of the RBs there will be fairly worthless. Outside of Nix and Sutton and the D, I'm probably avoiding DEN this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bucky Irving showed a lot of flashes but ultimately did not seize the starting job until about Week 10
He posted 14 carries in week 6 but didn't get a steady diet of touches until about about halfway thru the season

I think Harvey will now take a slower path before he is able to win the starting job, assuming Dobbins can stay healthy which he usually doesn't
If Dobbins cannot start the season healthy which he's done a couple times, training camp is not kind to him.

We'll see how it shakes out but certainly Harvey has to take a little bump down in his ADP in the next few days/weeks.
I hope people forget about him and focus on Dobbins

He is about a Mid 5th round pick at the moment, RB20 off the board, maybe that will change

Dobbins himself has stated he feels fully healthy and even faster after the injury. I'm approaching him as if he is healthy and ready to go, even though my fantasy team doesn't have to depend on him. He's more of a luxury than a necessity. If any fantasy team depends on Dobbins, they are doing it with with held breath I'm sure.

Wow! Better than ever after all his injuries and surgeries!! Amazing!!!

Says he himself

Well, it’s something.

I feel for Dobbins, he has worked very hard after all his injuries but that history takes a toll on you.

Well, I agree, but he's still young at 26. He has that on his side.

We talking about Harvey or dobbins?

I think in this moment they go hand-in-hand in RB discussion for the Broncos.

This is yr 5 for Dobbins

Year 6 if you count the year he missed completely when he got hurt preseason (2021).

Damm, forgot about that. Poor guy just can't stay healthy

 

[TheWinz]

I'm on team Harvey mostly because Sean Payton is.

If anybody in this thread thinks they know more about Harvey than Sean Payton...I've got some oceanfront property in AZ I'd like to show you.

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2023 - 226-1416 rush -16 TDs 6.3 yds rush
2024 - 232-1577 rush -22 TDs 6.8 yds rush
just the facts

-Here is some more to put in your pipe and smoke or as some of you are displaying, perhaps a new bowl of rice krispies
Has anyone noticed some similarities to another RB that entered the NFL about 2 decades ago?

Harvey is 5-8 and about 200 lbs, he likely will add a little more bulk but I want to emphasize he ran a 4.40 at the combine, that's not slow
Harvey was taken 2nd round - 60th overall
MJD was also taken 2nd round - 60th overall by the Jax Jags in 2006
Drew was listed 5-7, Harvey 5-8 and you might think Drew was a better receiver in college coming out of UCLA but most of his stats pale in comparison to Harvey

It's getting old reading posts that are just rehashing or stuck in what the Broncos did in '23 with Russ Wilson and a rookie in '24 named Bo Nix who many thought was just gonna be average at best in the NFL. I can find the same downtrodden posts about Nix and how he wasn't gonna be much in Denver.

I put my projections out there but all I read are posts with things like all the Denver RBs will be useless and it's just a dark cloudy forecast that doesn't allow for anything except crying over Javonte Williams never becoming much thru 2 different head coaches and multiple injuries in Denver. Redraft fans should care less, all that matters is 2025 so stop living in the past

-And anyone that puts a bunch of sound blurbs together, it's all coach speak and most beat writers just have to make up stories for their editors and sites right now, it's all crystal ball witchcraft so my advice as it has been for years is to not read a lot of windbag articles right now that won't matter when kickoff arrives in September. Camp reports however, we like those

Despite using conservative numbers in my projections, I see a potential workhorse RB for the Broncos and by Mid October people will be kicking themselves for not taking the plunge in the 5th-6th round, especially if you have frontline studs at WR that you grabbed in the early rounds. 60-80-100 yds total a week plus catches plus touchdowns, I'm not gonna keep beating the drum, I hope he falls down the boards further.

-Redraft '25 not Dynasty '28

 

[TripItUp]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I'm on team Harvey

 

[TheWinz]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

 

[TheWinz]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

he didn't he said he wanted to return

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

he didn't he said he wanted to return

Why would he? He doesn’t seem like a 3rd string kind of guy. I’d give that about as much credence as coach speak.

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

he didn't he said he wanted to return

Why would he? He doesn’t seem like a 3rd string kind of guy. I’d give that about as much credence as coach speak.

this was after the season b/f they signed Harris and the draft

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

he didn't he said he wanted to return

Why would he? He doesn’t seem like a 3rd string kind of guy. I’d give that about as much credence as coach speak.

this was after the season b/f they signed Harris and the draft

All the more reason he got lucky he didn’t sign. I’m sure he didn’t feel like he should sign after signing Harris and drafting Hampton, now did he? Sometimes things just work out.

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

Maybe he didn’t want to be back after signing Harris and drafting Hampton? Why would he? I think he knew he could end up in a better situation. Dobbins wants to play, not be 3rd string.

sure, but Chargers signed Harris and drafted Hampton, seems kinda clear they preferred other options.

Maybe it was reciprocal, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they did want to sign him and he wanted to leave. Maybe they didn’t care to even try because Dobbins wanted out. Either way, I think Dobbins wanted out.

he didn't he said he wanted to return

Why would he? He doesn’t seem like a 3rd string kind of guy. I’d give that about as much credence as coach speak.

this was after the season b/f they signed Harris and the draft

All the more reason he got lucky he didn’t sign. I’m sure he didn’t feel like he should sign after signing Harris and drafting Hampton, now did he? Sometimes things just work out.

i give up

 

[kutta]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

Paying a couple million for a veteran RB is nothing. Investing a second round pick in a rookie RB is huge.

 

[menobrown]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

Marvin Mims was almost identical though.

 

[Jail]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

They did want him back and made him an offer. He turned it down.

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

They did want him back and made him an offer. He turned it down.

Well there it is

 

[TripItUp]

Paying a couple million for a veteran RB is nothing. Investing a second round pick in a rookie RB is huge.

Thank You

 

[Mitchie]

Isn't Sean Payton on team Dobbins as well?

significant difference in investment here.

If you mean in terms of years, sure. That's to be expected. I'm just saying Payton actively went after both Harvey and Dobbins. You said you were on team Harvey because Payton was. I was only pointing out Payton is on team Dobbins as well. As for their 2025 salary, Dobbins is $2.745M while Harvey is at what?

I actually think this a great point. Many forget the other part of this where yes Harvey was drafted, but Dobbins was signed as well.

Dobbins and Harvey were both late 2nd round picks. Yes, Dobbins is hurt... ALOT! But when he's been healthy, Dobbins has been the RB touch leader of his team. Harvey and Dobbins can make a great 1/2 punch.

just don't think Dobbins is the same player he was when he was drafted, have to wonder why Chargers didn't want him back.

They did want him back and made him an offer. He turned it down.

ok they did offer him a contract in March, he did say he wanted to come back but apparently not at the contract they were offering and Chargers elected not to increase the offer and he elected to test free agency.

 

[Soulfly3]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

 

[King of the Jungle]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

 

[Jppaul]

Q: How did RJ go from nothing to very FF relevant?

A: Because Sean Payton


If any of us think we know more than coaches and GMs, then why aren't we?

 

[joey]

and Peyton liked McLaughlin last year….and talked up Estime earlier this year….and…

 

[smbkrypt24]

Q: How did RJ go from nothing to very FF relevant?

A: Because Sean Payton


If any of us think we know more than coaches and GMs, then why aren't we?

I would hope no one is thinking they know more than Payton, but NFL teams get it wrong a lot. It is part of the hobby to evaluate the players on your own beyond just the NFLs opinion.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Q: How did RJ go from nothing to very FF relevant?

A: Because Sean Payton


If any of us think we know more than coaches and GMs, then why aren't we?

I do not think I know more than the NFL does, however this silly hobby is more fun if you come up with your own determinations of how players will turn out. There is also the historical fact that teams have drafted players that have not worked out before. I think Harvey is fine, I just do not see him as someone who should be valued as high as many have. I could be wrong, but I am lower on him than consensus.

 

[Insein]

I think people like the idea of Harvey because of Payton.

Dobbins = Ingram, Harvey = Kamara

That's the idea anyway. Reality I think Harvey is a better runner than Kamara but not as good a pass catcher which is where he'd have to make his points this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Has anyone looked into the Denver Broncos' OL?
I would think that information would be handy...I just typed in Denver OL ranking and this is what was generated

The Denver Broncos' offensive line is highly regarded entering the 2025 NFL season, with many analysts and publications ranking them among the league's best, often second only to the Philadelphia Eagles. Several sources specifically highlight their strong pass-blocking and the emergence of Quinn Meinerz as a top guard.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Strong Pass Blocking:
  The Broncos' offensive line is consistently praised for its pass-blocking prowess, with some sources citing them as the best in the league in that regard.
  
  
• Solid Run Blocking:
  While pass protection is a major strength, they are also considered a strong run-blocking unit, contributing to the team's overall success.
  
  
• • Top Players:
    Quinn Meinerz is frequently mentioned as one of the best offensive guards in the league, with some even suggesting he's the best at his position. Garett Bolles is also recognized as a top-tier left tackle.
    
  • Mike McGlinchey's Improvement:
    Right tackle Mike McGlinchey has shown significant improvement, earning a high PFF grade and reducing the number of sacks and pressures he allows.
    
  • Returning Starters:
    All five of the Broncos' starting offensive linemen from the 2024 season return for 2025, providing continuity and experience.
    
  • Potential for Top Spot:
    Some analysts believe the Broncos' offensive line could surpass the Eagles for the top spot if they continue their upward trajectory.
    
  • Strong Interior:
    Ben Powers and Luke Wattenberg are considered solid contributors to the interior line, with Wattenberg potentially growing further at center.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

 

[miqws]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

FWIW Mike Clay (ESPN) projections 7/24:

https://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/25/NFLDK2025_CS_ClayProjections2025.pdf

OL ranking: 4 (behind Phi, Min, Chi)
RJ Harvey: 178-789-4, 50-386-2 PPR rank RB29
JK Dobbins 161-722-5, 34-221-1, PPR rank RB35
McLaughlin 13-58-0, 4-26-0, PPR rank RB90

 

[King of the Jungle]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

A lot depends on Dobbins health and how quickly the rookie gets acclimated. Also depends on how much Payton will involve Jaleel/Estime. Again, I think Harvey is a fine prospect…I just do not see him as a sure thing as others seem to. Gun to head Dobbins 45 Harvey 40 Rest 15….which would be a bit of a headache.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

FWIW Mike Clay (ESPN) projections 7/24:

https://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/25/NFLDK2025_CS_ClayProjections2025.pdf

OL ranking: 4 (behind Phi, Min, Chi)
RJ Harvey: 178-789-4, 50-386-2 PPR rank RB29
JK Dobbins 161-722-5, 34-221-1, PPR rank RB35
McLaughlin 13-58-0, 4-26-0, PPR rank RB90

Dobbins somehow managed to get hurt while reading this post.

 

[King of the Jungle]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

FWIW Mike Clay (ESPN) projections 7/24:

https://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/25/NFLDK2025_CS_ClayProjections2025.pdf

OL ranking: 4 (behind Phi, Min, Chi)
RJ Harvey: 178-789-4, 50-386-2 PPR rank RB29
JK Dobbins 161-722-5, 34-221-1, PPR rank RB35
McLaughlin 13-58-0, 4-26-0, PPR rank RB90

Dobbins somehow managed to get hurt while reading this post.

That bodes well for Harvey holders then.

 

[FarFromHome]

Broncos ran the ball 461 times last year. I can see 500 attempts. My projection feels like

200 Harvey
200 Dobbins
100 everyone else.

At this point we are just guessing.

 

[Jail]

This cat had SEVEN non-Faust posts before April of this year.

Ya, whatever, that's probably the lowest measure of possible success.. I get it...

But I'm still amazed how he went from that (basically nothing) to being a certified banger to some of you. This kid may make me eat my own socks this year, but I legitimately don't see what some of you seem to see. And I'm a big, big fan of finding those little diamonds in the rough .

This is where I am at with him as well. Some guys I am just willing to be wrong on and he is one of them. I don’t hate him by any means, I just do not see a sure-fire talent that will automatically see the field immediately and produce. I think a healthy Dobbins is a much better player and will be the one trusted to see the majority of snaps.

Could either of you fine lads give a % of offensive snaps you see Dobbins taking in the Denver offense?
30-40-50-60-70-80%, what are we talking here?

FWIW Mike Clay (ESPN) projections 7/24:

https://g.espncdn.com/s/ffldraftkit/25/NFLDK2025_CS_ClayProjections2025.pdf

OL ranking: 4 (behind Phi, Min, Chi)
RJ Harvey: 178-789-4, 50-386-2 PPR rank RB29
JK Dobbins 161-722-5, 34-221-1, PPR rank RB35
McLaughlin 13-58-0, 4-26-0, PPR rank RB90

Using his numbers Dobbins is the better value. I’m surprised to see Harvey still going where he is. I tend to agree that it’ll be in the fairly split range of 45/55, but that’s when both are healthy.
I would be shocked if Dobbins doesn’t miss some games. I think it’s just a matter of how many. LAC didn’t give him a lot and he still missed games. So then you’d think Harvey would be great, but that’s when Peyton will give other guys carries.

For me Harvey is going way too high. I like Dobbins if I decide to go hero or zero rb. As long as I have decent bench spots. In short bench I’d avoid both

 

[Scoresman]

Broncos ran the ball 461 times last year. I can see 500 attempts. My projection feels like

200 Harvey
200 Dobbins
100 everyone else.

At this point we are just guessing.

461 to 500 is a pretty drastic increase even with better personnel. You usually only see swings like this when coaching staff changes. This would also require them being in better game script situations. Vegas has them at 9.5 wins last I checked which is about the same as last year.

I have them at 547/470 pass:run ratio.

Harvey 180
Dobbins 165
Nix 82
Everyone else 43

 

[FarFromHome]

Broncos ran the ball 461 times last year. I can see 500 attempts. My projection feels like

200 Harvey
200 Dobbins
100 everyone else.

At this point we are just guessing.

461 to 500 is a pretty drastic increase even with better personnel. You usually only see swings like this when coaching staff changes. This would also require them being in better game script situations. Vegas has them at 9.5 wins last I checked which is about the same as last year.

I have them at 547/470 pass:run ratio.

Harvey 180
Dobbins 165
Nix 82
Everyone else 43

Ya. Your prolly right. My gut says they are a better team then last year. Have more leads. Maybe win a few more games. Resulting in 2-3 more carries a game. We are simply guessing.