RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

He is extremely not good. What is anybody watching who thinks this guy is going to suddenly break out. 

People like me who saw him run last year and decided to trade Chase Edmonds for him in dynasty? Or people wedded to previously held positions from previous analysis that might believe in longer-term evaluations than this year? Because it is certainly not anybody who really watched objectively this year and is extrapolating from that.  

I'm hoping beyond hope that a fresh start away from Arians and Brady is what he needs. Because he looked completely uninterested in playing football this year and terrible, like you said.  

 

[Boone22]

I think it’s a combo of both Hot Sauce Guy and Capella.  I think he’s a talented RB but he may have problems picking up offensive schemes and as we all know Brady runs a pretty complex scheme and doesn’t tolerate mistakes. 

I think if he goes to a team with a dumbed down offense he could thrive and put up respectable numbers just because of his rushing talent.

 

[menobrown]

No he hasn’t, which is why he doesn’t ever play. You’re just looking at ypc and not focused on the things that actually puts players on the field. 

His playing time was cut simply because Fournette is a better fit on a Tom Brady offense which needs RB's to be valued in the passing game which is for sure his major weakness.

He's flashed for sure, the few games he got to be the feature RB he excelled for fantasy purposes and even in a split role he was RB19 in 2020.

People with your mindset are probably the type of people who watched someone ride Penny and Michel type's to championships while you were to busy sitting around wondering what people saw in these players.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No he hasn’t, which is why he doesn’t ever play. You’re just looking at ypc and not focused on the things that actually puts players on the field. 

No, I'm looking at 2020, when he had 192 carries for 978 yards & 7 TDs, with 28 receptions & another TD in the receiving game. In 13 GS. 

Dude looked great. That was basically a year ago. 

But if we are talking YPC, dude has 4.5 for his short career (basically 3 years since he hardly played his rookie season) and in that 2020 season he averaged 5.1 ypc with an OL that IMO wasn't as good at run blocking as the Bucs had in 2021. 

So it's not just that I disagree with you. Reality disagrees with you. RoJo has gotten a raw deal in TB, and is fully capable of being a feature back in the NFL. The only real question is where. Someone should bite, given his age & proven talent. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think it’s a combo of both Hot Sauce Guy and Capella.  I think he’s a talented RB but he may have problems picking up offensive schemes and as we all know Brady runs a pretty complex scheme and doesn’t tolerate mistakes. 

I think if he goes to a team with a dumbed down offense he could thrive and put up respectable numbers just because of his rushing talent.

I mean, check out 2020. He was essentially in that same scheme. And he outplayed Fournette to the point that they nearly cut Lenny in week 14 or 15. Then RoJo got hurt & "playoff Lenny" emerged. 

 

[rockaction]

I think if he goes to a team with a dumbed down offense he could thrive and put up respectable numbers just because of his rushing talent.

This is where I was coming down, only you put it more bluntly. 

 

[Capella]

His playing time was cut simply because Fournette is a better fit on a Tom Brady offense which needs RB's to be valued in the passing game which is for sure his major weakness.

He's flashed for sure, the few games he got to be the feature RB he excelled for fantasy purposes and even in a split role he was RB19 in 2020.

People with your mindset are probably the type of people who watched someone ride Penny and Michel type's to championships while you were to busy sitting around wondering what people saw in these players.

His playing time was cut because he can’t stand up and block in pass protection and because he can’t catch the ball. Had nothing to do with Fournette being a better fit. They gave Jones every chance and wanted him to be the guy. They damn near even cut Fournette last year, lol. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

His playing time was cut because he can’t stand up and block in pass protection and because he can’t catch the ball. Had nothing to do with Fournette being a better fit. They gave Jones every chance and wanted him to be the guy. They damn near even cut Fournette last year, lol. 

Not one part of this is true. None of it jives with what went down in TB. 

Last season Fournette was almost cut in week 14, and RoJo was clearly the better back. 

No one knew Lenny could catch & what he did this year came as a shock to everyone. It probably came as a shock to Lenny.

and RoJo has statistically been better in pass coverage. At the time Lenny came to the Bucs this was widely discussed and the numbers bore it out.

You're clearly making hyperbolic arguments against RoJo & they just don’t jive. 

 

[ffmail4me]

The guy has flashed for sure, he's had moments where he looked the part...the moments where he rotted on the bench...he's hard to figure out, but there are enough teams employing a 2 back system that he WILL have a job and probably be more relevant than he was the last 2 years in Tampa IMO. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and probably be more relevant than he was the last 2 years in Tampa IMO. 

most of us were more relevant than RoJo was in TB this year. Arians hates the kid. 

 

[Capella]

Not one part of this is true. None of it jives with what went down in TB. 

Last season Fournette was almost cut in week 14, and RoJo was clearly the better back. 

No one knew Lenny could catch & what he did this year came as a shock to everyone. It probably came as a shock to Lenny.

and RoJo has statistically been better in pass coverage. At the time Lenny came to the Bucs this was widely discussed and the numbers bore it out.

You're clearly making hyperbolic arguments against RoJo & they just don’t jive. 

Soooooo then why didn’t the Bucs play him? Everything I said is true, which is shown by the fact RoJo never played and isn’t coming back. That’s why they re-signed Fournette. 
 

If you think Arians didn’t play him because he doesn’t like him or something then lol. That’s just hilarious. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Soooooo then why didn’t the Bucs play him? Everything I said is true, which is shown by the fact RoJo never played and isn’t coming back. That’s why they re-signed Fournette. 
 

If you think Arians didn’t play him because he doesn’t like him or something then lol. That’s just hilarious. 

He had close to a 1000 yard season last year & Fournette was the one who didn’t play until the playoffs when RoJo got hurt.

How did you miss this? Pro football reference is your friend. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Chiefs signed RB Ronald Jones to a one-year contract.

Jones was limited to three spot starts behind Leonard Fournette last year, posting his lowest rushing total (428) since his rookie year. The 2018 second-rounder never live up to his draft status in Tampa but had 1,000 scrimmage yards in both 2019 and 2020. In Kansas City, Jones will take over as the top backup to Clyde Edwards-Helaire, replacing free agents Jerick McKinnon and Darrel Williams. Jones should see pass-down snaps in Kansas City and gives the Chiefs a hedge to Edwards-Helaire, who's missed 10 games over the last two seasons.

@Football JonesPlease change the title to RB Ronald Jones, Chiefs

 

[SoBeDad]

Signed one year deal with the Chiefs

How much does that reduce the fantasy value of CEH? I think their skill levels are are not far apart.

 

[JohnnyU]

How much does that reduce the fantasy value of CEH? I think their skill levels are are not far apart.

No more than anyone else they had IMO.

 

[barackdhouse]

Chiefs signed RB Ronald Jones to a one-year contract.

 In Kansas City, Jones will take over as the top backup to Clyde Edwards-Helaire, replacing free agents Jerick McKinnon and Darrel Williams. Jones should see pass-down snaps in Kansas City and gives the Chiefs a hedge to Edwards-Helaire, who's missed 10 games over the last two seasons.

 hahahahaha yeah ok - not laughing at you Johnny I know this blurb is from rotoworld NFL Network but wow they really think this

 

[-OZ-]

How much does that reduce the fantasy value of CEH? I think their skill levels are are not far apart.

It’s entirely possible RoJo plays better and gets more snaps by season’s end. Seems like RBBC to me. 

 

[barackdhouse]

No more than anyone else they had IMO.

agreed

 

[JohnnyU]

 hahahahaha yeah ok - not laughing at you Johnny I know this blurb is from rotoworld NFL Network but wow they really think this

I know it wasn't directed at me, thanks  I actually think CEH will get more passing work in 2022, or at least I hope he does.  Jones is probably just a backup, but can gain more work if CEH doesn't improve.

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe both McKinnon and Williams are free agents.  Any rumors where they may sign?

 

[barackdhouse]

I saw one year up to $5 million *with* incentives. Seems like backup money to me, which they needed to do anyway. Certainly more upside with Jones than either of D Williams or McKinnon. And CEH is clearly suited to be the passing down guy, and still the 1A for early carries. Good move for the Chiefs and predictable move for CEH's outlook.

Also I was going to say every down is a passing down for KC but now that Tyreek is out of town I don't know what to expect from them. MVS and Juju aren't the answer.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is actually good news for CEH if he can take a step up in 2022.  However, if he doesn't, I can easily see Jones cutting into CEH playing time.  I look for CEH to have a better fantasy year in 2022 than 2021.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

“Chiefs signed RB Ronald Jones to a one-year contract.

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports Jones "can earn up to $5 million" with incentives. Jones was limited to three spot starts behind Leonard Fournette last year, posting his lowest rushing total (428) since his rookie year. The 2018 second-rounder never live up to his draft status in Tampa but had 1,000 scrimmage yards in both 2019 and 2020. In Kansas City, Jones will take over as the top backup to Clyde Edwards-Helaire, replacing free agents Jerick McKinnon and Darrel Williams. Jones should see pass-down snaps in Kansas City and gives the Chiefs a hedge to Edwards-Helaire, who's missed 10 games over the last two seasons.”

And lo, the “buy-low” window has shut.

Might f around and see if I can’t squeeze a 2023 2nd out of the CEH owner. 
 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is actually good news for CEH if he can take a step up in 2022.  However, if he doesn't, I can easily see Jones cutting into CEH playing time.  I look for CEH to have a better fantasy year in 2022 than 2021.

Or to the contrary, if CEH continues to struggle in short yardage & get tackled from behind, RoJo could become the larger side of the committee. 

Also, isn’t CEH nearing the end of his rookie contract? Could be an interesting season if RoJo has success in KC. Wouldn’t be the 1st time CEH was passed up by his backups. 

 

[SoBeDad]

With the Miami pick at 2.18 and their own pick at 2.30, they could throw the RB room into more chaos. Hall or Walker would be big upgrades. 

 

[Drezden]

So what is the ROJO value vs rookie picks? for example ROJO vs 2.01 in PPR 12 teams? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So what is the ROJO value vs rookie picks? for example ROJO vs 2.01 in PPR 12 teams? 

In 2022 he’s probably worth a 2nd, IMO. 

Maybe a 2023 3rd 

There’s not a lot of faith than you’ll get a RB of better caliber with better opportunity.

He landed in a really sweet spot - last few years, KC uses all of their RBs, and it’s not like CEH is some world-beater stud who never misses games or comes off the field.  RoJo is better in short yardage and has better top end speed.

If I’m a CEH owner I’m extremely concerned by this signing. 

 

[JohnnyU]

In 2022 he’s probably worth a 2nd, IMO. 

Maybe a 2023 3rd 

There’s not a lot of faith than you’ll get a RB of better caliber with better opportunity.

He landed in a really sweet spot - last few years, KC uses all of their RBs, and it’s not like CEH is some world-beater stud who never misses games or comes off the field.  RoJo is better in short yardage and has better top end speed.

If I’m a CEH owner I’m extremely concerned by this signing. 

I wouldn't give a 2nd for Ronald Jones and I disagree with you about his opportunity.  He's still the backup barring injury to CEH.  Of course last year showed that the backups in KC were valuable, but not 2nd round pick valuable. 

 

[barackdhouse]

What would an offer of ETN and Jones for Barkley do for people?

 

[rockaction]

RoJo rosterer checking in here. 

Wouldn't stun me if he beat out CEH for the lead role and wouldn't stun me if he played his way out of the league on this one-year deal. He's going to have to know how to pass block again, just like with Brady, and the scheme Reid runs is not dumbed-down, as someone upthread hoped for. 

He's twice the runner CEH is when he wants it. Let's see if he wants it. 

I'm holding until then. There really isn't much that anyone could deal me for him. A three or a two is a crap shoot, and nobody is giving up a one, and if he takes the KC job, he's definitely worth that in terms of points scored per game. Darrel Williams lit it up when he played. 

 hahahahaha yeah ok - not laughing at you Johnny I know this blurb is from rotoworld NFL Network but wow they really think this

Rotoworld doesn't seem to follow the game, really. Or they just have too many guys to write about and too much space to fill. It's like they have trained gerbils and algorithms. 

 

[rockaction]

What would an offer of ETN and Jones for Barkley do for people?

I'd be confused by just ETN for Barkley, to be honest. I'd think myself into a ditch and just not act upon it. Throw Jones in there, and if I'm the Barkley GM, I'm wondering what you're trying to pull...

Jones is such a buffoon. Watch him play. I love his running style and have to hold now per what I said above, but he's such a buffoon when it comes to pass blocking and possibly wanting it. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I wouldn't give a 2nd for Ronald Jones and I disagree with you about his opportunity.  He's still the backup barring injury to CEH.  Of course last year showed that the backups in KC were valuable, but not 2nd round pick valuable. 
 

last year, and the year before. CEH has been a bust to date, and has largely been outplayed by his backups. He’s terrible in short yardage and gets caught from behind a lot. 

Jones is both faster and better in short yardage.

The upside is there for him to take over. Not saying it will happen, but it’s absolutely in the realm of possibilities. 

Also, this isn’t directed at you, but for all the exaggerated noise about his fumbles, he had 2 last year, 2 the year before & 3 his rookie season.

Gibson had 5 last year & JT 4, but because their coaches aren’t psychopaths, we never hear about them being fumblers.  

 

[barackdhouse]

Rotoworld doesn't seem to follow the game, really. Or they just have too many guys to write about and too much space to fill. It's like they have trained gerbils and algorithms. 

Occasionally they make their own takes but in this case they were just sharing an NFL Network take. Rotoworld doesn't deserve criticism for *this* take.

It would be like me blaming my television for the fact that I came across "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and nearly vomited one day.

 

[barackdhouse]

I'd be confused by just ETN for Barkley, to be honest. I'd think myself into a ditch and just not act upon it. Throw Jones in there, and if I'm the Barkley GM, I'm wondering what you're trying to pull...

Jones is such a buffoon. Watch him play. I love his running style and have to hold now per what I said above, but he's such a buffoon when it comes to pass blocking and possibly wanting it. 

I think ETN is perhaps the x factor. I think a lot of people have him near or above Barkley. I'm not really sure why but just saying that's why I asked. But I guess that is the thing could there be someone who Jones puts it over the top? Maybe I am off-target here.

 

[rockaction]

He's still the backup barring injury to CEH. 

If it weren't Jones and it was some other back, I'd tell to you watch camp awfully closely. I'm still telling you to watch camp awfully closely. CEH is JAG. No doubt at this point. He was a hand-picked Mahomes nightmare. I just read a story on Twitter (no link) where the GM gave Mahomes a list of players and Mahomes wanted Helaire. That was the rumor, now it's in print, though I cannot (I can't) vouch for its truthfulness. That pick was a big, big mistake for KC. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's twice the runner CEH is when he wants it. Let's see if he wants it. 

I'm holding until then. There really isn't much that anyone could deal me for him. A three or a two is a crap shoot, and nobody is giving up a one, and if he takes the KC job, he's definitely worth that in terms of points scored per game. Darrel Williams lit it up when he played. 

agreed on all points. 

Rotoworld doesn't seem to follow the game, really. Or they just have too many guys to write about and too much space to fill. It's like they have trained gerbils and algorithms. 

They’re CBS now, and for a couple of years they’ve been more focused on the snarky retort than the actual game of football.

 

[IHEARTFF]

What would an offer of ETN and Jones for Barkley do for people?

Probably fair value but I wouldn’t sell Barkley for that. 

 

[rockaction]

I think ETN is perhaps the x factor. I think a lot of people have him near or above Barkley. I'm not really sure why but just saying that's why I asked. But I guess that is the thing could there be someone who Jones puts it over the top? Maybe I am off-target here.

I think ETN/Barkley is so close, and there's really no good reason for it to be. It should be Barkley, but people are so down on him. 

I was kidding about Jones. I was more saying what you're saying -  ETN = Barkley in a lot of people's books. Start throwing Jones in there, and then the other guy starts thinking, "a guy with a bum foot and Jones and all his baggage for Barkley?" 

Hmm...

 

[jm192]

I've got an offer of

I give David Montgomery

I get 2.01, Ronald Jones.  

I already have CEH.  

Still feels light for Montgomery, but I'm sleeping on it.  Thoughts?

 

[JohnnyU]

If it weren't Jones and it was some other back, I'd tell to you watch camp awfully closely. I'm still telling you to watch camp awfully closely. CEH is JAG. No doubt at this point. He was a hand-picked Mahomes nightmare. I just read a story on Twitter (no link) where the GM gave Mahomes a list of players and Mahomes wanted Helaire. That was the rumor, now it's in print, though I cannot (I can't) vouch for its truthfulness. That pick was a big, big mistake for KC. 

I agree relative to the other backs taken after him, but don't count out CEH in 2022 by any means.  No Hill and there are rumblings that CEH is going to be more involved in the passing game.

 

[barackdhouse]

If it weren't Jones and it was some other back, I'd tell to you watch camp awfully closely. I'm still telling you to watch camp awfully closely. CEH is JAG. No doubt at this point. He was a hand-picked Mahomes nightmare. I just read a story on Twitter (no link) where the GM gave Mahomes a list of players and Mahomes wanted Helaire. That was the rumor, now it's in print, though I cannot (I can't) vouch for its truthfulness. That pick was a big, big mistake for KC. 

This was widely reported at the time - it isn't new. I always thought this was one of the reasons everyone hated on him, because of how bad the KC process was. I don't wanna rehash the CEH stuff but I don't disagree Jones should be given a chance to compete with CEH. No doubt. I think CEH is a more complete back but yeah Jones is more of a home run hitter.

What was the news with CEH becoming (quietly) seriously ill in the offseason and losing weight? @menobrowndid you ever hear a follow up to that?

 

[rockaction]

I've got an offer of

I give David Montgomery

I get 2.01, Ronald Jones.  

I already have CEH.  

Still feels light for Montgomery, but I'm sleeping on it.  Thoughts?

Check the dynasty discussion thread, man. 

Light to me. That seems light. Montgomery can be a top-ten or top-tier back. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If it weren't Jones and it was some other back, I'd tell to you watch camp awfully closely. I'm still telling you to watch camp awfully closely. CEH is JAG. No doubt at this point. He was a hand-picked Mahomes nightmare.

CEH couldn’t do this on his birthday with a 1/2 off sale on cocaine, for example: 

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1328066984685105152?s=21&t=ubfGTtqWdldPuH5Cx0ExYQ
 

He’d have either run into the back of his OT or been caught from behind 7 yards downfield by a 340 lb defensive tackle. 

You can time CEH’s 40 with a sundial. 

 

[barackdhouse]

I think ETN/Barkley is so close, and there's really no good reason for it to be. It should be Barkley, but people are so down on him. 

I was kidding about Jones. I was more saying what you're saying -  ETN = Barkley in a lot of people's books. Start throwing Jones in there, and then the other guy starts thinking, "a guy with a bum foot and Jones and all his baggage for Barkley?" 

Hmm...

right

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've got an offer of

I give David Montgomery

I get 2.01, Ronald Jones.  

I already have CEH.  

Still feels light for Montgomery, but I'm sleeping on it.  Thoughts?

I’d keep Monty. 

 

[JohnnyU]

I've got an offer of

I give David Montgomery

I get 2.01, Ronald Jones.  

I already have CEH.  

Still feels light for Montgomery, but I'm sleeping on it.  Thoughts?

I would keep Montgomery.  I wouldn't count on anything great at 2.01 in the 2022 draft.

 

[rockaction]

This was widely reported at the time - it isn't new. I always thought this was one of the reasons everyone hated on him, because of how bad the KC process was.

It was. I just read it again last night on Twitter with all this going around, and I didn't know everyone was aware of it. That's why I reestablished it in my musings about this. 

But yeah, didn't he talk about his spleen or gall bladder or some other internal organ? 

 

[barackdhouse]

But yeah, didn't he talk about his spleen or gall bladder or some other internal organ? 

That is what I remember but I feel like if it were true, that by this point it would have been absolutely all over the NFL and FF news world. But who knows, there is so much crazy going on that some things get lost.

 

[rockaction]

CEH couldn’t do this on his birthday with a 1/2 off sale on cocaine, for example: 

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1328066984685105152?s=21&t=ubfGTtqWdldPuH5Cx0ExYQ
 

He’d have either run into the back of his OT or been caught from behind 7 yards downfield by a 340 lb defensive tackle. 

You can time CEH’s 40 with a sundial. 

You see Jensen get to the second level and just maul that DB? Tampa was darn good that year and darn good last year. The game got away from Jones. He should have been in their rotation. 

An aside and opinion: It also lets one know to go acquire Fournette. Guy has two more years in him. If you play two-year windows, throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. 

 

[-OZ-]

Might f around and see if I can’t squeeze a 2023 2nd out of the CEH owner. 
 

My backs in this league are a mess. 
 

Edwards-Helaire, Clyde KCC RB

Johnson, David HOU RB

Jones, Aaron GBP RB

Jones, Ronald TBB RB

McKissic, J.D. WAS RB

Mostert, Raheem MIA RB

Sanders, Miles PHI RB

Williams, Darrel KCC RB

 might very well rebuild this year anyway