RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (1 Viewer)

[candian fantasy guy]

I stole this from the Bucs thread 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOoQkHsOGRc

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Folks, can you maybe use pro football reference dot com or something? I’m starting to feel like Daniel Dale, that dude who fact checks for all the news networks.

We all have the Internet at our fingers. There’s really no excuse for continuing to get RoJo’s stats wrong. Things like YPC, age and years experience are easy to look up.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I stole this from the Bucs thread 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOoQkHsOGRc

When you’re playing a handful of snaps a week and fearing a benching for literally anything, I’m sure one makes more mistakes. 

Maybe CEH’s “highlight” reel will help to illustrate why RoJo was brought in. 

 

[candian fantasy guy]

When you’re playing a handful of snaps a week and fearing a benching for literally anything, I’m sure one makes more mistakes. 

Maybe CEH’s “highlight” reel will help to illustrate why RoJo was brought in. 

I think we all know your stance on RoJo, we get it. 


 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think we all know your stance on RoJo, we get it. 


 

I’ll be right here fact checking the rest of the way. Enjoy. 

 

[matuski]

Andy Reid obviously disagrees. 

Are you saying picking up Ronald Jones settles the backfield now?  That we know their roles already?

What did Andy Reid say their touch %'s would be?  Are they done looking to upgrade that position?

 

[matuski]

I don't see the Reid quote... but i would be SHOCKED if he said Ronald Jones was going to be the featured back.

RoJo himself seems unaware of his lead role:

“Yeah, I think that’s another thing, Andy Reid says everybody is going to eat,” Jones said. “I’m just excited to see my number get called and to take it from there.”

 

[matuski]

He is a career 4.5 YPC runner who’s faster, stronger and more decisive than CEH with better vision.

He is a guy who when given the opportunity blows away CEH as an inside runner to the tune of 5.1 YPC to 4.4 YPC. 

There ya go.

ETA your math, while convenient, is wrong. RoJo has only been in the league for 4 years. 

Entering 5th, entering 3rd.... you didn't seem to check on CEH yourself.

When you have to dig into YPC on a non featured back.. I think you are walking yourself down the very argument against him.

How does this 5.1 YPC beast not earn more carries?  Is there, perhaps something we have all seen that holds him back?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Are you saying picking up Ronald Jones settles the backfield now?  That we know their roles already?

What did Andy Reid say their touch %'s would be?  Are they done looking to upgrade that position?

No, I’m not saying that. I’m just saying what seems fairly obvious based on CEH’s proven deficiencies, RoJo’s proven strengths, and Andy Reid’s comments at the presser. 

Reid said Jones would get “a lot of work”, and then praised his vision, and his ability on early downs and in short yardage. If not directly, he heavily implied that RoJo was his early down back. 

That came just a few days after a statement that he’d be using more screens (before RoJo was signed)

How that plays out % wise is TBD, obviously since Reid didn’t say he was giving X% of carries to one or the other. We will all find out collectively. But he definitely said how he intends to use Ronald Jones. And based on his comments, if I had CEH I’d be selling as quickly as possible. 

To your last Q, I’m sure they will draft a RB at some point because you can’t go into the season with just 2 on the roster, but I highly doubt they invest an early round pick on one after the signing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Entering 5th, entering 3rd.... you didn't seem to check on CEH yourself.

You said Ronald Jones has been meh for 5 years. I wasn’t aware we were including college stats, since he’s only played in the NFL for 4.  

 

[matuski]

You said Ronald Jones has been meh for 5 years. I wasn’t aware we were including college stats, since he’s only played in the NFL for 4.  

But you seem fine with it for CEH.. I explained.  You don't seem interested in arguing Ronald Jones head on.  I understand, I wouldn't either.

How many years do you normally give RBs to show who they are?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't see the Reid quote... but i would be SHOCKED if he said Ronald Jones was going to be the featured back.

RoJo himself seems unaware of his lead role:

He didn’t, and I never said he did. 

in fact, just a few posts up I specifically said I didn’t think Ronald Jones would be the feature back.

I specifically used the words “early down back” because that’s what Reid said Jones excelled at. 

And as I have already said, being the early down back on the Chiefs could be a very valuable role. 

 

[barackdhouse]

JFC

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But you seem fine with it for CEH.. I explained.  You don't seem interested in arguing Ronald Jones head on.  I understand, I wouldn't either.

I don’t understand your point here. I noticed you claiming Jones played 5 years and corrected it. 

You could just admit you were mistaken & we can both move on from that one. 

 

[matuski]

I don’t understand your point here. I noticed you claiming Jones played 5 years and corrected it. 

You could just admit you were mistaken & we can both move on from that one. 

My point is this is 2 meh RBs.

I don't for a second see the mistake.

It is weird you are arguing so hard that a complete nobody in the league is anything other than... meh.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My point is this is 2 meh RBs.

I don't for a second see the mistake.

It is weird you are arguing so hard that a complete nobody in the league is anything other than... meh.

What’s weird is people arguing that a dude who had 5.1 YPC and just under 1K yards and 7 TDs over 13 starts is “meh” and now “a complete nobody”.

I’m just trying to buck these narratives. Jones was a very good college player who went to a weird situation in TB.

Correcting weird / incorrect narratives with statistics doesn’t seem weird to me at all. It’s much, much weirder to trash a player & fail to recognize the opportunity he has ahead of him in KC.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also, FWIW, I fully concede that Ronald Jones could blow this tremendous opportunity, which would likely end his NFL career, or relegate him to a backup role forever.

That’s absolutely on the spectrum of possible outcomes.

But there is opportunity for a grinder role in KC. He could get short yardage/GL, and could be used to salt away clock. IMO, this is how Reid intends to use him. I could be wrong.

Gotta wait for games to be played to know what’s what. 

 

[travdogg]

His athletic profile alone is much weaker, and so is his performance. 

I'm not sure Fournette and CEH are even in the same stratosphere when it comes to running, catching, and pass pro. 

Founette's a two-time 1,000 yard rusher in Jacksonville, of all places. All he did with Tampa last year is gain well over 1,200 yards from scrimmage in thirteen games started. 

I mean, CEH has never cracked a thousand rushing or over 300 yards receiving. He's totaled 1746 yards from scrimmage in 23 games, all of which he's started. 

It's not like this guy got a chance and totally took it. He's been weak. Fournette has been better than league-average. 

I'd disagree CEH's performance has been weaker. Fournette has greatly benefitted from being thrown in a workhorse role from a fantasy perspective, but from an NFL perspective, he's been meh at best. Last year, in a perfect situation, was the only time he's actually shown why he was once so highly touted. Even then, his receiving is nothing special, and I'd very much argue CEH is as good or better at it. 

The only reason CEH doesn't have a 1,000 yard rushing or 300 yard receiving season has been durability. Which is a fair concern, and in my opinion, the biggest reason Jones was brought in. Jones is better than Darrell Williams. 

I think all 3 of CEH, Fournette, and Jones are about the same level of player. All decent, nobody particularly good. 

Once again, I’ll refer you to the 13 game stretch in 2020 when RoJo finally had opportunity & shined with a performance that CEH hasn’t even sniffed in his career to date.

CEH is a bust. The sooner people realize that, the more excited they’ll get for RoJo’s tough between the tackles running. (Well, not CEH owners, who may have to watch his value crater to 3rd down/breather back) 

From the Reid presser it sure sounds like CEH is the COP now while RoJo gets the early down work. Which is weird since usually the COP is the faster dude. 

As for the “yet” part, one could posit that Reid has seen enough of CEH failing to have success in short yardage, and failing to show good vision - 2 things he specifically praised RoJo for at the press conference. Perhaps the RoJo signing is an indictment of CEH. 

Jones did show out as a runner that year, but he got into the doghouse from a combo of bad ball security, and poor pass blocking. I'm not confident Reid can fix either of those things. I will 100% agree Jones is a better RB than Darrell Williams, and that Tampa probably soured on him too quickly, especially since Fournette wasn't really better, just less mistake prone. 

If you are calling CEH a bust relative to his 1st round pick status, I can see that, I would have argued it the second he was picked. If you are calling him a bust, as in he's a bad RB, I'd disagree. I see a guy who had too high of expectations based on draft position, and has been ok when healthy. He had a solid rookie year, and was playing well when he went down last year, then he looked pretty meh when he came back, only to get hurt again. He looked better in the playoffs on limited work though. 

I'd still bet on CEH being the lead back in KC, but I do think Jones is a bigger threat than Williams was a year ago. Of course, CEH should be better with better health. I don't think a 50-50 split is impossible, and my big concern with either is that KC drafts a RB with 4 picks in the top-62. 

 

[humpback]

Folks, can you maybe use pro football reference dot com or something? I’m starting to feel like Daniel Dale, that dude who fact checks for all the news networks.

We all have the Internet at our fingers. There’s really no excuse for continuing to get RoJo’s stats wrong. Things like YPC, age and years experience are easy to look up.

So are fumbles, yet you keep understating RoJo's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jones did show out as a runner that year, but he got into the doghouse from a combo of bad ball security, and poor pass blocking. I'm not confident Reid can fix either of those things. I will 100% agree Jones is a better RB than Darrell Williams, and that Tampa probably soured on him too quickly, especially since Fournette wasn't really better, just less mistake prone. 

If you are calling CEH a bust relative to his 1st round pick status, I can see that, I would have argued it the second he was picked. If you are calling him a bust, as in he's a bad RB, I'd disagree. I see a guy who had too high of expectations based on draft position, and has been ok when healthy. He had a solid rookie year, and was playing well when he went down last year, then he looked pretty meh when he came back, only to get hurt again. He looked better in the playoffs on limited work though. 

I'd still bet on CEH being the lead back in KC, but I do think Jones is a bigger threat than Williams was a year ago. Of course, CEH should be better with better health. I don't think a 50-50 split is impossible, and my big concern with either is that KC drafts a RB with 4 picks in the top-62. 

I’m calling CEH a bust because he has poor vision, only gets what the OL gives him, and runs up the backs of his OL. He also stinks in short yardage. And all of that was when the Chiefs were pass happy & had arguably the best field stretcher in the game. 

Jones is better in all of those facets of the game, and IMO is a massive threat to CEH’s workload. He’s likely to take early down work on a team that often plays in close games and/or games while they’re ahead.

And seeing as Hill is no longer on the team, defenses may not be giving the cushion they once did - so the Chiefs need a RB who can grind out yards between the tackles. 

Workload split TBD, but I won’t be at all shocked to see a true committee with short yardage favoring Jones. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So are fumbles, yet you keep understating RoJo's.

Oh? You mean the 2 total fumbles he had in 2021? 

or was it the 2 total fumbles he had in 2020? 

Or was it his 1 fumble his rookie season that I’m “understating”? 

Gibson had 6 fumbles last year. Singletary had 5 last year. JT, Ekeler, Mike Davis & Robinson each had 4.  No one ever calls those guys fumblers. 

But please do keep exaggerating the importance of RoJo’s whopping 5 total fumbles in 3 seasons as though I’ve understated them. The irony is almost painful. 

Here’s a handy reference chart so you don’t keep making that mistake.  I’m a helper. 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-by-rb-2021

 

[menobrown]

If you are the "follow the money" guy, or just want to able to be provided another reason(s) to stay down on ROJO some of his contract details are out and the commitment is low.

1 year, $1.25 base, $250K bonus, $500K of salary along with signing bonus guaranteed for total guarantees of $750K. Remaining $3.5M in incentives. No idea on those incentives yet, my guess is a good chunk are easily attainable like JuJu's.

Anyway you put is his  pay is not much in the way of commitment and even if ROJO hit's most of his easy incentives no one would confuse his contract with being a big commitment or huge pay.

Personally while I like to see players shown as much commitment from their team as possible I think this was more a case of two ex-college teammates(ROJO and JuJu)  believing in themselves and what they can do in this offense,  and knowing if it goes well they'll be 25 and 27 year old FA's again next off-season.

Of course the argument is valid if they were shown more interest this off-season they'd not need to be playing on prove it deals.

 

[humpback]

Oh? You mean the 2 total fumbles he had in 2021? 

or was it the 2 total fumbles he had in 2020? 

Or was it his 1 fumble his rookie season that I’m “understating”? 

Gibson had 6 fumbles last year. Singletary had 5 last year. JT, Ekeler, Mike Davis & Robinson each had 4.  No one ever calls those guys fumblers. 

But please do keep exaggerating the importance of RoJo’s whopping 5 total fumbles in 3 seasons as though I’ve understated them. The irony is almost painful. 

Here’s a handy reference chart so you don’t keep making that mistake.  I’m a helper. 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-by-rb-2021

Actually, he didn't have any fumbles his rookie season, then 3, 2, and 2 for a total of 7 in 4 years. Here's a link to the source you asked people to use because I'm also a helper.

So, pretty much everything in that bolded sentence is incorrect, but this is my first post about it, mostly because I know it's pretty pointless to say anything that refutes your narrative. The dude has at least a minor fumbling issue, especially when you consider his limited touches, but your mind is made up per usual. Just thought it was funny you calling out others for getting their facts wrong when you have so many wrong yourself. Irony is ironic.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Actually, he didn't have any fumbles his rookie season, then 3, 2, and 2 for a total of 7 in 4 years. Here's a link to the source you asked people to use because I'm also a helper.

So, pretty much everything in that bolded sentence is incorrect, but this is my first post about it, mostly because I know it's pretty pointless to say anything that refutes your narrative. The dude has at least a minor fumbling issue, especially when you consider his limited touches, but your mind is made up per usual. Just thought it was funny you calling out others for getting their facts wrong when you have so many wrong yourself. Irony is ironic.

You said I was “understating” his fumbles. He had 2 Fumbles last year.

I was going from memory in the rest. My bad. Still doesn’t mean he’s a fumbler or that I was overstating his not significant number of fumbles. 

thanks for playing. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you are the "follow the money" guy, or just want to able to be provided another reason(s) to stay down on ROJO some of his contract details are out and the commitment is low.

1 year, $1.25 base, $250K bonus, $500K of salary along with signing bonus guaranteed for total guarantees of $750K. Remaining $3.5M in incentives. No idea on those incentives yet, my guess is a good chunk are easily attainable like JuJu's.

Anyway you put is his  pay is not much in the way of commitment and even if ROJO hit's most of his easy incentives no one would confuse his contract with being a big commitment or huge pay.

Personally while I like to see players shown as much commitment from their team as possible I think this was more a case of two ex-college teammates(ROJO and JuJu)  believing in themselves and what they can do in this offense,  and knowing if it goes well they'll be 25 and 27 year old FA's again next off-season.

Of course the argument is valid if they were shown more interest this off-season they'd not need to be playing on prove it deals.

Definitely a prove-it deal. And if he falls on his face they pay very little for the experiment. Seems like a smart investment for the chiefs, and also a good chance for Jones to redeem his reputation since it’s obviously terrible. Some deserved, some spun out of whole cloth. 

 

[humpback]

You said I was “understating” his fumbles. He had 2 Fumbles last year.

thanks for playing. 

You said he had 5 fumbles the last 3 years when he's had 7. That is understating. The other "facts" you got wrong are just a bonus and funny in light of your post about everyone getting their facts straight.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You said he had 5 fumbles the last 3 years when he's had 7. That is understating. The other "facts" you got wrong are just a bonus and funny in light of your post about everyone getting their facts straight.

Whatever. Keep exaggerating the significance of his fumbles, when he only had 2 last year. Again, Gibson had 6 in 2021, and everyone loooooves Gibson. All good. Have a nice day. 

 

[Capella]

Andy Reid obviously disagrees. 

He does? He gave him 1.5M guaranteed. What makes you think he believes he’s an upgrade?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He does? He gave him 1.5M guaranteed. What makes you think he believes he’s an upgrade?

The way he glowingly spoke at the presser about how he’s going to use Jones as an early down back, while specifically complimenting his vision, burst & power as things Jones brings to the table? 

Two obvious deficiencies of CEH’s game, btw. It certainly wasn’t subtle, and it was definitely noteworthy.

What Jones is guaranteed financially is irrelevant to how he’ll be utilized. If the Chiefs got a bargain, that’s just a bonus for the Chiefs. So what if he shopped at the five & dime? i don’t follow your logic. 

As a FF owner I don’t have to pay his salary. 
 

ETA: as for what makes me specifically think Jones will be an upgrade? Pretty simple: he’s a much better RB than CEH. He is faster, more powerful, has better vision & knows how to read his blocks. Also the fact that he was a top 10 RB just 1 season ago in 2020 & CEH has never sniffed that kind of production. 

 

[JohnnyU]

The way he glowingly spoke at the presser about how he’s going to use Jones as an early down back, while specifically complimenting his vision, burst & power as things Jones brings to the table? 

Two obvious deficiencies of CEH’s game, btw. It certainly wasn’t subtle, and it was definitely noteworthy.

What Jones is guaranteed financially is irrelevant to how he’ll be utilized. If the Chiefs got a bargain, that’s just a bonus for the Chiefs. So what if he shopped at the five & dime? i don’t follow your logic. 

As a FF owner I don’t have to pay his salary. 
 

ETA: as for what makes me specifically think Jones will be an upgrade? Pretty simple: he’s a much better RB than CEH. He is faster, more powerful, has better vision & knows how to read his blocks. Also the fact that he was a top 10 RB just 1 season ago in 2020 & CEH has never sniffed that kind of production. 

 Best thing to do now is just wait and see, because we're repeating ourselves in multiple posts.  You know that's when we've said all there is to be said.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

 Best thing to do now is just wait and see, because we're repeating ourselves in multiple posts.  You know that's when we've said all there is to be said.

I've said wait & see multiple times. When I'm asked a question, I answer it This question seemed somewhat self-evident if one read Reid's presser. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I believe it will be a committee, but if they have a 7 point lead in the 4th quarter with 5 mins to play, now they have a RB who can pick up tough yardage. 

They lacked that with CEH. 

Part of the reason Jones fell out of favor was he didn’t get the tough yards. There were multiple instances of him running out of bounds short of the first down marker to avoid contact. 

I know you want him to be successful, but he’s only shown one skill set in the four years he’s been in the league and he only showed that skill set in one of those years. Maybe the Chiefs will use him better, but sometimes a guy is who he is. 

 

[MAC_32]

Wait and see is not a thing in our game - do that and you'll be too late. Confirmation bias reigns supreme though. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

Wait and see is not a thing in our game - do that and you'll be too late. Confirmation bias reigns supreme though. 

In this case, I thinks its more everyone has given their opinion over and over to the point that wheels are just spinning. Wait and see who was right is more the theme for this one. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Part of the reason Jones fell out of favor was he didn’t get the tough yards. There were multiple instances of him running out of bounds short of the first down marker to avoid contact. 

I know you want him to be successful, but he’s only shown one skill set in the four years he’s been in the league and he only showed that skill set in one of those years. Maybe the Chiefs will use him better, but sometimes a guy is who he is. 

That’s not at all true. In 2021 he was 2nd only to JT in “unexpected yardage”.

I don’t know where you’re getting your information, but this is not accurate. 

Arians felt his pass pro was deficient, and preferred Fournette. Arians also had a zero tolerance for Jones fumbles/mistakes. 

You’ve spun this out of whole cloth. Again: Jones is a career 4.5 YPC runner who averaged 5.1 over the 13 game stretch he started.

Your narrative doesn’t align with reality. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In this case, I thinks its more everyone has given their opinion over and over to the point that wheels are just spinning. Wait and see who was right is more the theme for this one. 

Yep. Although if I’m a CEH owner I sell him for anything I can get. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

Not sure there is much to get excited about here. Two down back in an Andy Reid system? If you had him then he is a hold or sell but I wouldn’t pay much for him at this point. CEH although unremarkable will still get touches with potential for a passing game uptick if they don’t bring back McKinnon or Williams. If they do bring either of those back I doubt anyone will have much value at all. With Jones you are probably hoping for a touchdown each week which I try to avoid the frustration of those types of backs. Add in the factor that the division got stronger and the Chiefs may be playing more catch-up ball than they ever have since Mahomes became the starter.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not sure there is much to get excited about here. Two down back in an Andy Reid system?

This seems chicken & egg-ish to me. Did they pass more on early downs because of Andy Reid’s system, or because they had an ineffective RB who wasn’t great rushing on early downs?

Similarly, did they throw more in the red zone in short yardage because of Reid, or because CEH famously couldn’t punch it in from the 1 or 2 on multiple tries?

At the presser Reid seemed pretty excited to have a short yardage option. Those Reid offenses can be pretty productive. If RoJo is used at the stripe, what’s the O/U on TDs?

Seems like there’s quite a bit to be excited about to me. 

 

[menobrown]

Not sure there is much to get excited about here. Two down back in an Andy Reid system?

In 26 full games with the Chiefs Hunt averaged 1.3 carries per game and .34 receptions a game on non first and second downs. 34 carries and 9 receptions in total.

 

[Grahamburn]

Seems like there’s quite a bit to be excited about to me. 

Sometimes it’s better to just give a projection. What is yours for Jones? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sometimes it’s better to just give a projection.

“Sometimes” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence. lol

Just ask me for a projection if you want one. Don’t pretend that’s more or less than what you’re doing. Why make it weird? 

What is yours for Jones? 

Ok, sure - I’ll play. Just keep in mind that this is a relatively meaningless exercise & projections =/= predictions. 

Williams/Gore combined for 250 total touches.  I’ll be a little bit conservative here and estimate a slight increase for Gore. 

So as a complete WAG, let’s say RoJo sees 170 RuAtt, 800 RuYd, plus 16 receptions for another 130 yards, & 10 total TD.

A 930 APY season with 10 tugs would probably make him a pretty decent RB2 for FF owners, even in PPR format.

~10 RuAtt/game seems pretty modest considering the Chiefs often play with a lead or close. It’s rare they get blown out. But again - i’m being conservative here.

And just to make the haters happy, he’ll have 2 fumbles lost, and Andy Reid won’t make a federal case out of either of them because he’s not a sociopath like Bruce Arians.

Note: this projection assumes good health/17 games for CEH, which is something he hasn’t done. He’s started 13 & 10 games, respectively, so there’s also opportunity for much more if CEH misses time.

Note 2: I still don’t think RoJo would be elevated to “feature back” in the  event of a CEH injury, as I’d expect more Gore + whomever they sign or draft (might bring back McKinnon, might draft a scat back) but 4-7 games without CEH could mean quite a few more touches.

No idea if this is a good projection - it’s early. But I’m ok making it in April, 2022. 

What’s your projection?  I’ve heard that sometimes it’s better to make one.  

 

[MAC_32]

Sometimes it’s better to just give a projection. What is yours for Jones? 

I get it - projections forces one to apply a number to a player/group of players. But does anyone actually make consistently strong projections. Especially when looking at it from the perspective of a full season. This is a week-to-week game. I think establishing who you think a player is now and defining his range of potential outcomes is optimal. Sure, any output is a lot muddier and not too useful for discussion purposes, but that's reality in this game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I get it - projections forces one to apply a number to a player/group of players. But does anyone actually make consistently strong projections. Especially when looking at it from the perspective of a full season. This is a week-to-week game. I think establishing who you think a player is now and defining his range of potential outcomes is optimal. Sure, any output is a lot muddier and not too useful for discussion purposes, but that's reality in this game.

Projections can be fun. I don’t mind making them. But I agree - there are too many variables (injuries to player in question or to peripheral players like OL or QB) and quality of person making the projections for it to be meaningful or significant. 

Whenever someone demands a projection it comes off as trying to force someone into saying something they’ll later regret.

I eat enough crow that it doesn’t bother me. I’ve made a hell of a lot of good calls around here over the years as well. I participate here for entertainment & to glean knowledge from those who’s opinions I respect.

And hey, maybe I get it right and will have something to bump at the end of the 2022 season.  

 

[Football Jones]

Two of the biggest overblown things for RBs in FF are fumbling & pass blocking. They rarely ever become long-term issues if the talent is there. RBs leave the backfield a bunch in today's NFL, albeit they might be assigned to chip on the way out.

I believe RoJo is certainly within RB2 range this season. We'll just have to see how long it takes him to become the early down back (which I strongly suspect will happen at some point). Unfortunately, this might be a strict RBBC to start.

The real upside for dynasty owners is RoJo performing well enough to get re-signed by KC. He's young enough to still have a few good years left.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Two of the biggest overblown things for RBs in FF are fumbling & pass blocking. They rarely ever become long-term issues if the talent is there. 

That was Tiki Barber among others

 

[Grahamburn]

I get it - projections forces one to apply a number to a player/group of players. But does anyone actually make consistently strong projections. Especially when looking at it from the perspective of a full season. This is a week-to-week game. I think establishing who you think a player is now and defining his range of potential outcomes is optimal. Sure, any output is a lot muddier and not too useful for discussion purposes, but that's reality in this game.

We all have inherent bias toward certain players. I’m a Bucs’ fan so I’ve followed Jones’ career pretty closely. There’s a reason he’s leaving Tampa and signed a one year contract loaded with incentives. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I’m other words, that’s a “just in case we don’t get the RB we want in the draft” contract. 

 

[MAC_32]

I’m other words, that’s a “just in case we don’t get the RB we want in the draft” contract. 

They have enough draft capital to do this, but I'd be surprised. They've reached the stage in franchise qb contract life in which they need draft picks at premium positions to control costs. I think this move just says they've seen enough to realize what many of us said at the time - that CEH is not a horse. Put him in competition with RoJo and add a day 3 rookie then see how it all shakes out. 

 

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They have enough draft capital to do this, but I'd be surprised. They've reached the stage in franchise qb contract life in which they need draft picks at premium positions to control costs. I think this move just says they've seen enough to realize what many of us said at the time - that CEH is not a horse. Put him in competition with RoJo and add a day 3 rookie then see how it all shakes out. 

This is really the most likely scenario, and even though the track record for Day Three guys isn't that great, you never know what Kansas City will do when the rubber meets the road. CEH has proven not to be up to the task so far, and Jones comes with tremendous question marks.

But I doubt they'll take a back in the first few rounds for exactly the reason that MAC_32 points out. Right now, they have holes all over. Part of the reason for that is their selection of CEH in the first a few years ago. That was a luxury pick that they don't have now. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From today's Sportsline email, with staff writers picking their early sleepers at each position: 

"Heath's pick (Heath Cummings): Ronald Jones, Chiefs – "Jones is still just 25 years old and he's averaged 4.5 yards per carry over 488 career carries. While he's not going to give you much in the way of the passing game, he could absolutely be the lead rusher in Kansas City. I would expect Clyde Edwards-Healire to handle most of the passing downs, but Jones could be in line for 200+ carries and short-yardage work on one of the best offenses in football …"