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RB Roschon Johnson, CHI (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Love Roschon's talent, but not the situation. I'm not sure there's a ton of value for any of the Bears RBs here unless one really cements the job at the expense of the other two. I don't expect too many dumpoffs, so there probably won't be much passing work for the RBs. Which means it has to be made up in rushing volume/efficiency at the expense of one of the best - if not the best - rushing QB in the game.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bears had the lowest number of targets to RBs last season - and have now added a top WR so you’re very likely correct.
zamboni
Footballguy
And the Eagles were right there with them, I believe, so some of the same concerns hold for Swift/Penny/Gainwell/Scott.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Eagles were second least.
zamboni
Footballguy
Thought as much. Gives me some Jonathan Taylor concerns (beyond the other ones) as we extend the QB rushing pool. We already know about Dobbins and the risk baked into having Lamar next to him.
But that's for another thread.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Correction. RJ has been a no-brainer pick over Foreman since forever.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Can totally see him earn more and more playing time as the season progresses. Plays Bears type football.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Love the instinctive second-hand latch around ball-carrying forearm when he saw big impact coming.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
time to drop Herbert. it was nice knowin ya khalil! I really thought he'd at least kill it this week of all weeks. but no, he's garbage.
rockaction
Footballguy
D'Onta Foreman looked good when I saw him run the ball today. Like really good. I don't think any of these guys goes away in the rotation. Herbert is probably the most athletic guy of the bunch. Foreman is a sorta bruiser with some nice speed. Roschon is a total bruiser with questionable speed.
If Roschon was that athletic, I think the new staff would be anointing him right now. As it is, I don't think he'll be a bellcow with those other two guys in the mix.
If Roschon was that athletic, I think the new staff would be anointing him right now. As it is, I don't think he'll be a bellcow with those other two guys in the mix.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Game flow felt weird. Even though they were down only a score in 1st half just felt like they were way behind. Then they were. Hard to take anything concrete out of RB usage other then they all looked decent and they all kinda played the position without specific roles.
Promising Herbert had 3 catches. Tampa up next. My guess is Herbert leads in snaps. Just a guess.
Promising Herbert had 3 catches. Tampa up next. My guess is Herbert leads in snaps. Just a guess.
OU#1
Footballguy
I own him to hopefully keep him for next year, but I only saw him get significant snaps today when the game was already out of hand.
I don’t think you can make any educated decision based on his usage today. Seems like fools Gold stats to me…
Usage of Foreman was very surprising and concerning.
I also own Herbert and grabbed Roschon in the last round.
I think this backfield is going to be a mess, and it’s a wait and see who emerges situation.
3 headed RBBC if Roschon gets more touches is all I see.
I don’t think you can make any educated decision based on his usage today. Seems like fools Gold stats to me…
Usage of Foreman was very surprising and concerning.
I also own Herbert and grabbed Roschon in the last round.
I think this backfield is going to be a mess, and it’s a wait and see who emerges situation.
3 headed RBBC if Roschon gets more touches is all I see.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
our league is 12 x 18 so I can be patient
this regime might not survive the bye week
they'll be around 3-9 - maybe the interim HC/OC will want to lean on him down the stretch since they already know what Herbert and Foreman bring to the table
the 15 RB targets are surprising/awesome to see but I don't have expectation that Fields will do that every week
The Frankman
Footballguy
As everyone knew but some didn't want to admit some still don't...give Foreman bell cow carries. He's a bull. Keep messing around and the run game will continue to be disorganized.
Johnson would thrive after a bull wore down a D. I'd bet sixty yards with forty in fourth Q and twenty the rest. Some long gains of course.
Midseason, revisit this but be leery of the order the bull gives to an offense.
Fields is not a running back and eventually they'll end his career or effectiveness if they don't admit this. Long history of running QBs being smashed and this happening.
Foreman with 20 carries for as low as fifty yards would still be fine. Fields and Johnson could burst for long gains against a worn down D. Ride the bull
Johnson would thrive after a bull wore down a D. I'd bet sixty yards with forty in fourth Q and twenty the rest. Some long gains of course.
Midseason, revisit this but be leery of the order the bull gives to an offense.
Fields is not a running back and eventually they'll end his career or effectiveness if they don't admit this. Long history of running QBs being smashed and this happening.
Foreman with 20 carries for as low as fifty yards would still be fine. Fields and Johnson could burst for long gains against a worn down D. Ride the bull
OU#1
Footballguy
I watched this game and while the stat line didn’t show it, Foreman looked strong and he was in the game for long periods. Roschon came in for a play here and there and not much else until the game was well out of hand.
Somebody mentioned that there will be a lot of garbage time stats with the bears this year, and Roschon should get a lot of reps then. My concern there is having to rely on garbage time for him to score anything.
I think he’s a hold until we see him out there in early game periods when it matters, which will show he’s earned more playing time.
This whole thing looks like a 3 headed RBBC to me though and probably a backfield to avoid until one of them emerges and starts getting at least half the pie.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. An injury changes everything, but with all 3 healthy none will be the guy. With my mortgage on the line it's still Herbert for the time being for most points. Could change quickly though.
Ok I'll forget Foreman's career in like five minutes. Gotta run to the store first
eighsse2
Footballguy
Was offered Hunt (would probably just drop him) and a guy's 1st and 2nd rounders in 2024, for Roschon. He has Herbert and Foreman, and has been trying for weeks, upping his offer here and there. I turned this one down but it's getting close for me.
I would expect his slot to be on the late side of mid-to-late. Dead last would be no big surprise, but #6 wouldn't be a shocker either. Doubt it would be higher than #6 though. I drafted Roschon with the 2.01 pick, which would make the trade a pretty good win. But currently really love his prospects, and in our league a stud RB is just invaluable.
12-team, 20-man, PPR, 1QB 2RB 2WR 0TE 1FX K D. Am I nutso to not take that offer?
I would expect his slot to be on the late side of mid-to-late. Dead last would be no big surprise, but #6 wouldn't be a shocker either. Doubt it would be higher than #6 though. I drafted Roschon with the 2.01 pick, which would make the trade a pretty good win. But currently really love his prospects, and in our league a stud RB is just invaluable.
12-team, 20-man, PPR, 1QB 2RB 2WR 0TE 1FX K D. Am I nutso to not take that offer?
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I don't do a ton of dynasty, but that seems like a good offer to me. I know Roschon still has that rookie hotness/glow but honestly that backfield is a mess. Like the Eagles, Fields is the RB1 and everything behind that is ????
Bears fan here, the narrative on local sports radio this week has gone from “ok, we’re rebuilding” to “heads gonna roll”. I have never seen local Bears fans as distraught and crushed as they were this week. Never. And I’ve lived through the Payton era and 85 Bears. I say all this b/c the pressure has never been greater, coaches especially.
Roschon was drafted by this regime. He was the only one that displayed passion and desire Sunday. During and after the game. I heard numerous teammates on radio rave that he’s a beast in a man’s body’. Fields loves him. It might not happen this week but I’d be SHOCKED if he isn’t the lead dog soon. Flus and Getsy fighting for their jobs and their careers. Flus and his ****S principles being called a fraud. Turmoil in the locker room. It’s REAL bad folks.
Anyway, Fields needs a LOT of help. I’m not sold on him as a starting QB in this league. So in the meantime Roschon and his skillset is the back that can help him most. Just my take.
Roschon was drafted by this regime. He was the only one that displayed passion and desire Sunday. During and after the game. I heard numerous teammates on radio rave that he’s a beast in a man’s body’. Fields loves him. It might not happen this week but I’d be SHOCKED if he isn’t the lead dog soon. Flus and Getsy fighting for their jobs and their careers. Flus and his ****S principles being called a fraud. Turmoil in the locker room. It’s REAL bad folks.
Anyway, Fields needs a LOT of help. I’m not sold on him as a starting QB in this league. So in the meantime Roschon and his skillset is the back that can help him most. Just my take.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Good post. Thanks for sharing local vibe of the area. Hmmmm
neal cassady
Footballguy
According to Footballguys September dynasty trade value chart, released on 9/1, Roschon has a value of 10. A 2024 late first round pick has a value of 14, and a late second round pick has a value of 6. So, going off of that, you’d be better off taking the deal. I’m not sure if week 1 would change Rocshon’s value today though. I also don’t know anything about next years rookie class yet, but maybe this helps. Good luck.
NP. Like I said, I’ve never seen it this bad. Even through the Trestman era. Fans knew they were bad. Now there’s this level of expectation. It’s gotten so bad that Claypool probably isn’t dressing for the game. St. Brown to take his spot. This was the first sign for me that Poles isn’t F**** around. People have questioned what the hell Velus Jones is still doing on the roster but I think it’s because Poles doesn’t want to admit he screwed up. Same with the Claypool trade and the draft capital given up. Now it’s serious. That’s why I think Roschon breaks away from the pack soon. We shall see.
Foreman looked great Sunday. I literally messaged my brother Sunday during the game, and said “why the didn’t we keep Foreman for $2 million? He looks awesome as expected and we let him go for nothing”. Panthers GM is awful and the owner isn’t much better.
Foreman is like Baby Derrick Henry, and has looked great when given any opportunities in this league. He was also used in the receiving game some too. Any negative talk about foreman’s play seems to be more about who you own in fantasy football, or just wanting to see the “new shiny toy”.
With that being said Rochon is the best pass blocker of the 3 of them, and a great receiving back. If there is any reason that he stands out it is the pass blocking because thar supposed new and improved offensive line was awful and couldn’t block anything last week. He will get more work because of that’s.
If there is an injury to Herbert or foreman than Rochon becomes an every week flex starter
jurrassic
Footballguy
Would love some clarity in the backfield. I thought Johnson looked good, but so did Herbert and Foreman when they played. The Bears defense is not great. If that continues, you would hope they open up the offense. Let Fields improvise more and use Roschon in the passing game.
Boone22
Footballguy
As a Roschon owner in Dynasty neither of those RBs would be of any interest to me. I’d need significantly more than either or both of those two.
That makes perfect sense. This is redraft.
jurrassic
Footballguy
If it's a redraft, I would think you could trade him for either. McKinnon is in the better offense. Moss has immediate value. I'd move on it quick though, before he starts getting more involved.
Weebs210
Footballguy
As a Roschon truther i would insta decline but maybe they would be more willing.
MTskibum
Footballguy
I own Herbert in one league redraft league and Herbert and Roschon in another.
Roschon had the majority of his touches in garbage time. I still believe in Herbert, he averaged 3.7 ypc after contact last year. For runningbacks that had more than 100 carries he was #3 in the league in YPC after contact, behind Tony Pollard and Rhamondre Stevenson.
I think Herbert is the best bet for a RB playing behind the bears terrible offensive line.
Roschon had the majority of his touches in garbage time. I still believe in Herbert, he averaged 3.7 ypc after contact last year. For runningbacks that had more than 100 carries he was #3 in the league in YPC after contact, behind Tony Pollard and Rhamondre Stevenson.
I think Herbert is the best bet for a RB playing behind the bears terrible offensive line.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Maybe for the first quarter but when they are down two TD's they won't be running with Herbert anymore.
zamboni
Footballguy
While true in week 1, that could very well change.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
It's the beauty and madness of this thing we enjoy. None of us know. We try. We read tea leaves and media comments and form opinions. In the end week 2 could see Herbert with 20 carries and Roschon with 2. Or it could see Roschon with 20 carries and Herbert with 2.
