Update: The #Broncos are signing free agent RB Samaje Perine to a 2-year deal worth $7.5M, per
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RB Samaje Perine, DEN - Plays Better West of the Mississippi! (4 Viewers)
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Boston
Footballguy
if you are a Javonte Owner this is exactly what you want…Perine is an excellent role player but not a threat to do too much damage if Javonte can return to form…he will be a complimentary back and do a good job but he is much less of a potential threat than a higher-end rookie.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If that’s the only back they bring in, yes I agree.
If they bring in others, or draft one high, it paints a different picture.
That all said, I’m hoping this means a larger role for Chris Evans, who was reportedly in for a larger role last year but got hurt.
OK, but "dangerous" might be a bit of a stretch for a soon to be 28 year old RB who, while being an OK backup RB hasn't exactly shown a lot of "dangerous" traits in his NFL career.
Of course he can play all 3 downs but I don’t believe Payton wants him as as anything more than a solid backup guy.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Precamp hype is always nice, but outside of Kamara do you really want any part of a sean payton backfield? Only way the "touch" scheme isn't 40/30/30 is if 2 RBs are hurt.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Just paid 3.09 pick in Rookie Draft. He was a FA and sitting there... It was between him & Sean Tucker as my last pick.
Currently 12 Team 1QB PPR, and Rosters are 30 until Aug when cut to 25
FWIW... KTC has Perine worth 3.02
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Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
It's been very quiet in here. How is everyone feeling about Perine with Javonte looking like he's on track to not miss any time?
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Feeling the same for my ppr league which is RB2 potential with some spike opportunities week to week. That could get better if Williams gets banged up.
CowboysHomer
Footballguy
RB2 potential. Same place he was coming into the week. New coach made two RBs viable in the past, and who's to say Javonte stays healthy / is himself?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Perine has never had more than 100 carries in a season in his NFL career. here's betting that trend continues. Watch denver trade for a guy like Michael Carter or some other decent RB like that. you depending on Perine to be 'the guy' should Javonte be unable to carry the load, is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Perine is a JAG's JAG.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
@OU#1 could you please update the thread title to Denver?
As far as how this plays out in Denver I think Javonte Williams is presenting really nice value in redraft leagues right now.
When I was reviewing RB stats in relation to another conversation I was having in the ETN thread, I was pretty impressed with the numbers Williams put up before he was injured.
I was somewhat on the fence about him as a prospect, so I don't have any take lock type bias for Williams either.
I have watched Perine as a rookie prospect more than I have Williams as a rookie or a pro, and I was pretty high on Perine as a prospect, although I had some doubts about him as well. I saw signs of Perine maybe declining in ability even before he got to the NFL. To me he has been a dissapointment as a pro player compared to what I thought he might be with a glass half full perspective of him in college.
I am somewhat surprised by him remaining relevant this long. I was even more surprised to hear some talk about him being a good receiving option from posters here in criticism and comparison to Dalvin Cook. Which is borderline bizzaro world to me.
That said Peyton does have a history of using RBBC and I really havent watched Williams enough to have a strong opinion about his talent.
It just seems to me that Williams has a chance to be a special RB, while I am pretty certain Perine isnt.
As far as how this plays out in Denver I think Javonte Williams is presenting really nice value in redraft leagues right now.
When I was reviewing RB stats in relation to another conversation I was having in the ETN thread, I was pretty impressed with the numbers Williams put up before he was injured.
I was somewhat on the fence about him as a prospect, so I don't have any take lock type bias for Williams either.
I have watched Perine as a rookie prospect more than I have Williams as a rookie or a pro, and I was pretty high on Perine as a prospect, although I had some doubts about him as well. I saw signs of Perine maybe declining in ability even before he got to the NFL. To me he has been a dissapointment as a pro player compared to what I thought he might be with a glass half full perspective of him in college.
I am somewhat surprised by him remaining relevant this long. I was even more surprised to hear some talk about him being a good receiving option from posters here in criticism and comparison to Dalvin Cook. Which is borderline bizzaro world to me.
That said Peyton does have a history of using RBBC and I really havent watched Williams enough to have a strong opinion about his talent.
It just seems to me that Williams has a chance to be a special RB, while I am pretty certain Perine isnt.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I agree with RB2 potential with RB1 potential if Javonte gets hurt again. Perine was a reliable flex option last year and money when Mixon got hurt.
the spanker
Footballguy
Noooooooooooooo! First week and debating if I should put him in my flex spot for reason you stated.
Watch me get it wrong and he goes off week 1.
I hate fantasy football.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Currently thinking of Perine vs Jamaal Williams vs Drake London. Conundrum time.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
IMO there are a lot of people way over-interpreting the Javonte Williams "eased-in" comments.
Sure, he'll have a pitch count. Probably some sort of green/yellow/red light number of touches or snaps.
But Williams had seven touches in two drives in his lone preseason appearance...when Payton said beforehand that he'd get 3-4.
So if it's 3rd and goal from the 2-yd line in the last 2 mins, and Javonte has had 15 productive touches in the game, which DEN RB do you expect Sean Payton to give the ball to?
Sure, he'll have a pitch count. Probably some sort of green/yellow/red light number of touches or snaps.
But Williams had seven touches in two drives in his lone preseason appearance...when Payton said beforehand that he'd get 3-4.
So if it's 3rd and goal from the 2-yd line in the last 2 mins, and Javonte has had 15 productive touches in the game, which DEN RB do you expect Sean Payton to give the ball to?
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Pots
Footballguy
His injury was much more severe than Breece Hall's. Like, really really bad to the point he might not be the same player ever again. It affects lateral movements especially, cuts, jukes, etc so your analogy of 3rd and 2 might be accurate as his North/South ability will be less affected. However it SHOULD impact him overall on his touches for a while. Only one guy came back from this injury and popped off, and that was ADP. His 'big role' is coach speak and isn't quantifiable. Though, he could be the exception like ADP was, I'm not betting on it Week 1. Lots of answers will be made on a lot of players this opening week.
I’ll believe it when I see it. However, I ain’t buying it. As a Perine owner, I’m more concerned about the amount of work McLaughlin might take from the both of them,
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Was seven touches in two drives in his very first appearance in nearly a year "coach speak?"
How exactly would you quantify "big role?"
Stoneworker
Footballguy
What exactly do you expect in terms of touch ratio between Perine and Williams?
That's really the only thing that matters. Not semantics like "big role" or "popping off," or other non-quantifiable analogies.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ahhh, there it is.
Not counting on Perine for anything. He’s simply a lottery ticket:/bench depth because as I said, I’ll believe JWilliams getting “significant” work when I see it. As a betting man, I’ll take the odds coming off of that injury. Didn’t see any better value at the end of the 9th round. So, there you have it. There it is.
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Pots
Footballguy
Yeah I think you're blowing that 7 touches WAY out of proportion to importance like a lot of people do on small preseason sample sizes. He was given a workload that would test the knee, simple as that. And he didn't look all that great during it imo. The exact ratio is a crapshoot but I'd say close to 50/50 depending on how the knee feels.
That’s funny, that’s the exact number of rushes JK had last year his first game back. The next 8 games didn’t work out so well. Look, I’m not saying it’s impossible. But the odds are against him taking on “significant” work early on, if at all this season. Again, just playing the odds on this one. We shall see, however.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
The 7 touches were very significant precisely because getting hit was the last psychological hurdle to overcome in Williams' recovery. And physically he looked just fine. Next hurdle is workload.
50/50 is not unreasonable, although I'm more 60/40 Williams up to a defined limit (e.g. 15-16 touches) before Perine takes over.
But if it's 50/50 I simply don't understand why so many think Perine is a better play is my whole point.
Pots
Footballguy
50/50 is if everything goes well. The chance that it could be much less is higher than it could be much more which is why I see Perine as a sneaky play and I might end up needing to put my money where my mouth is now that C.Watson tweaked his hammy.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I can understand the caution, but Javonte Williams' recovery has been ahead of schedule on every single metric to date (attending OTA's, attending minicamp, starting training camp off the PUP, getting starter reps in TC, starting and playing in a meaningful. preseason game).
Nor has Sean Payton made a "coach speak" statement to date about his recovery that wasn't true or factual (e.g. "we expect him to start TC not on PUP").
So IMO 50/50+ for Williams is just another the next milestone that has no actual data to refute it from being an expectation.
OU#1
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
I’m not sure people are are saying that at 50/50 Perine is a better play than Williams. I think they are saying if it’s 50/50 then Perine may be a better play over other depth options on their roster.
