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RB Samaje Perine, KC (1 Viewer)
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Max Power
Footballguy
I think he's actually a great fit there. I wonder what this means for CEH.
Boston
Footballguy
The new Jerrick McKinnon.
massraider
Footballguy
In dynasty, this is what we call a Sell Opportunity
Relieved because I've been kind of heavy in that round 8-9'ish area in drafting both Bengals and Titans and worried about his connections with those teams and eating up some of the pie which was already getting shared.
Now, I wonder does he have value? Is he the new McKinnon and consequently, and more importantly, should that be lowering Pachecho who went to a different level after McKinnon went down? At this time I think so.
Now, I wonder does he have value? Is he the new McKinnon and consequently, and more importantly, should that be lowering Pachecho who went to a different level after McKinnon went down? At this time I think so.
I think Perine is a lot smaller threat than McKinnon was. McKinnon had a special feel with Mahomes in the passing game. I don't know that Perine gets that work, or if he's just a clear backup to Pacheco.
I'm still happily taking Pacheco as a top-10 RB, with a lot of upside from there.
Runkle
Footballguy
I haven't heard much about CEH's status, he might not be in the mix with ongoing PTSD issues
socrates
Footballguy
Not only the ongoing PTSD issues, but a history of mediocre production. CEH has been a disappointment.
Are you guys serious abut these PTSD issues for CEH? First I've heard of this...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I expect a 5th year breakout.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Yes, this was a real concern for his well being.
CEH was being treated for "mental health issues" and some report threw out the PTSD as a result of concussions.
I don't know the cause (and his privacy matters), but there were several reports of his "mental health" being an issue.
CEH was being treated for "mental health issues" and some report threw out the PTSD as a result of concussions.
I don't know the cause (and his privacy matters), but there were several reports of his "mental health" being an issue.
Runkle
Footballguy
IIRC he's been held out of much of camp with ongoing "mental health" issues that haven't really been expanded upon.
His actual state of mind has not been expanded on but the root of the PTSD was, which I'm not sure if that's what you meant or not.
He and a friend had someone attempt to rob them in college and one of them shot and killed the attempted robber(no one has said as far as I know who pulled the trigger)
Why it's bothering him now to this extent after so many years I don't know.
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RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
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warpig33
Footballguy
I see Perine replacing Pacheco in the red zone, 3rd downs, and passing situations. I no longer agree Pacheco has a top 10 season. Maybe fringe top 10 (9-12 or so). It was bad enough knowing Kelce is option 1,2, and 3 in the red zone and now another threat to Pacheco’s scoring opps.
Wow
pinequick
Footballguy
Hadn't there been some connection to the shooting at the KC victory parade (he sheltered a kid during the shooting)? I might be making this up? Somebody fact-check me on this.
I would not think all of the red zone but otherwise agree, except I'd move him down into more of a mid to lower end RB2, like he was last year before Mckinnon was out of the picture. Might take a few weeks to acclimate Perine but anticpate that's where it goes.
I would agree and why I said what I said in the response above this one and why I said earlier I was worried about my Titan and Bengal RB shares. Never been some kind of big Perine fan, though he did a great job when Mixon was out in 22, but what he does he does well and he's going to chew up some key fantasy points.
At least Pacheco owners know who the handcuff is. I just dropped Steele, my last pick in the draft, for Perine. BTW, Steele might get a few short TDs.
Remember that Pacheco is a very good RB. But instead of top 5 potential, top 10-12 is more likely. He was about #16 last year with a struggling KC offense. He's also less likely to get injured with Perine getting significant carries.
Remember that Pacheco is a very good RB. But instead of top 5 potential, top 10-12 is more likely. He was about #16 last year with a struggling KC offense. He's also less likely to get injured with Perine getting significant carries.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
High priority back of the bench ww claim in redraft. If he indeed gets the McKinnon role (which I 100% expect) he’ll be flex-worthy.
Crushing blow to Pacheco's ceiling just 10 days before the season.
Crushing blow to Pacheco's ceiling just 10 days before the season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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-It's a good thing NFL players don't have the weak constitution that so many FF GMs seems to display
It would seem as if days or weeks are just ruined by the signing of a back up Running Back
If Pacheco is even half as good as someone like @travdogg posts(Top-10) then I don't think some Journeyman at RB should be much of an issue for a guy that has been on the team alrwady and won 2 Super Bowls his 1st 2 seasons in the NFL as their lead RB
Just grab the oxygen mask as it falls down in front of you, place the little rubber band around the back of your head and then look to help others around you
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s not the rushing I’m concerned about at all.
- Pacheco OwnersYeah, Perine just been a running machine since he first arrivedSamaje Perine Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Samaje Perine. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
-It's a good thing NFL players don't have the weak constitution that so many FF GMs seems to display
It would seem as if days or weeks are just ruined by the signing of a back up Running Back
If Pacheco is even half as good as someone like @travdogg posts(Top-10) then I don't think some Journeyman at RB should be much of an issue for a guy that has been on the team alrwady and won 2 Super Bowls his 1st 2 seasons in the NFL as their lead RB
Just grab the oxygen mask as it falls down in front of you, place the little rubber band around the back of your head and then look to help others around you
It’s the receiving, and specifically, the receiving Perine is likely to do at the expense of Pacheco.
It matters.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree with all this. Seems fairly obvious & detrimental to ignore.
I’m picking 1.06 in my last NFFC tonight. Was fully planning on a WR-Pacheco start. Now I think I’m going WR-WR.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like Steele, but if anything this muddies the water up little.
If Pacheco were to go down, it’ll likely be RBBC with Perine heavier in the mix than he’ll be with Pacheco.
Just a killer to the FF value of that backfield all around.
Good real life signing by KC though.
The full out panic by some is pretty funny to observe I have to say, great job illustrating it.
- Pacheco OwnersYeah, Perine just been a running machine since he first arrivedSamaje Perine Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Samaje Perine. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
-It's a good thing NFL players don't have the weak constitution that so many FF GMs seems to display
It would seem as if days or weeks are just ruined by the signing of a back up Running Back
If Pacheco is even half as good as someone like @travdogg posts(Top-10) then I don't think some Journeyman at RB should be much of an issue for a guy that has been on the team alrwady and won 2 Super Bowls his 1st 2 seasons in the NFL as their lead RB
Just grab the oxygen mask as it falls down in front of you, place the little rubber band around the back of your head and then look to help others around you
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Characterizing rational concern as “panic” is one thing.
Ignoring the obvious ramifications of such a signing is something else.
Neither will help you to win at FF.
ETA: could it be meaningless? Possible I suppose. But it seems like a safe bet to take whatever your receiving projections for Pacheco were and halve them.
And Reid loves throwing outside swing passes, and inside push-passes to the RB in the RZ. Just another data point. McKinnon used to get those, not Pacheco.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Same here. I drafted him in the 2nd to be my #1 a few weeks ago in a 16 team slow draft. Now I’m pissed
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think he still delivers ~80% of what we expected (I took him as my RB1 on MN)Same here. I drafted him in the 2nd to be my #1 a few weeks ago in a 16 team slow draft. Now I’m pissed
The only bright side I can think of is the Chiefs might be a more effective offense this year on the ground leading to more opportunity.
It sucks though for sure.
Posting 6 times in 20 minutes saying the same thing over and over is pretty much panic.
You had a 100% certainty line in one of your posts but looks like you edited that out, that will not help you win at FF. It's good to have conviction but not allowing for being wrong is not smart.
They have two healthy RBs on the roster (and the current backup is a rookie UDFA) so this was a great depth signing. Perine is a quality NFL RB. Thinking Reid brought him in to steal a large part of Pacheco's role while possible is not the most likely scenario, he has long preferred having a feature back which Pacheco is. Perine will play on some passing downs, there is only one RB in the league who has the CMC role and it is CMC.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I just want to make sure I'm clear...all off season its been Pacheco is a 3-down back and he knows the Playbook better than anyone they could possibly sign walking the streets
But Sam Perine is cut by yet another NFL team and is picked up by KC and we want to give how much of the pie to Perine?
Would we not say Perine is a Journeyman at RB?
I would love to see some one do the projections for Perine, i linked right to his career numbers, he just landed in KC, doubt he is going to be asked to do a whole lot to start
How much work load is Perine going to get?
And this is to the whole SP, I just am zero'ing in on HSG but that's unfair, many others posted concerns.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Turns 29 in a few weeks
Instinctive
Footballguy
I think he could take 30-40% of carries and 40-50% of passing work.
That's not gonna be an amazing contributor, but it does take away from the 75% of carries and 75% of passing work I had on Pacheco.
That's not gonna be an amazing contributor, but it does take away from the 75% of carries and 75% of passing work I had on Pacheco.
McKinon was 31 last year. So was our beloved Mostert.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He had a career high 50 catches last year in that dumpster fire in Denver
Let's start with last year and work back
50 in Denver, year before it was 38 in Cinci and prior to that 27 and 11 both with the Bengals
Are we penciling him in for 65 this year in KC?
He was signed late before the season mainly because KC has virtually nothing or anything at all proven outside of Pacheco
To start moving Pacheco down or suddenly turn on him because they signed Perine seems like weak sauce to me
Jerrick McKinnon FTR was a KC Chief before Pacheco arrived,
Let's start with last year and work back
50 in Denver, year before it was 38 in Cinci and prior to that 27 and 11 both with the Bengals
Are we penciling him in for 65 this year in KC?
He was signed late before the season mainly because KC has virtually nothing or anything at all proven outside of Pacheco
To start moving Pacheco down or suddenly turn on him because they signed Perine seems like weak sauce to me
Jerrick McKinnon FTR was a KC Chief before Pacheco arrived,
The only time Pachecho has ever been a 3 down back was when McKinnon got hurt late in the year, to late to bring in another competent vet.
Perine was cut because of his salary and RB depth on Denver. He had options where to sign. He was not claimed on waivers or something.
GregStarling
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
I don't know about the whole "he knows the playbook" thing. We've seen RB's join teams on short notice and be fine or be traded during the season and be fine.
The reason I was so bullish on him: they had NO ONE else that mattered on the team. McKinnon did enough to cap his receiving upside. They let him walk and didn't replace him. No competition for rushing work. No competition for the passing game. Dude was set to smash.
Well now, they replaced McKinnon. Perine is a good pass catching back. I think he'll see a fair amount of the passing game touches. My argument for WHY Pacheco is going to smash just got...well...smashed.
He's obviously still the starter. He's probably an RB1. But it's probably closer to RB12 than RB6 if Perine takes the passing work like I think he will. And that makes him less of a value than he was 24 hours ago.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly. I'm not saying Pacheco is going to drop to RB20
But he's not a top 5 in my book any more, and I had just warmed up to that idea recently (like, right before I took him in the FBG Bowl) - my only share. Thankfully a free league. I agree he's likely closer to RB12 now. Still a fine RB, just not a dude I want in the 2nd when I can get KWIII in the late 3rd/mid-4th.
Tonight I went ARSB-ETN 1-2 in my last NFFC. Pacheco fell to 2.02, so others are clearly paying attention.
His ADP was around RB12, nothing has changed.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Either would be detrimental to his overall value, especially in PPR.
.5 PPR or non-PPR I probably still draft him mid 2nd.
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