RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (1 Viewer)

[Pipes]

I'm in!  How much you wanna bet?

Yeah me too.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

While it wouldn’t change my mind on 1.01 the worst case scenario is for Barkley to go to NYG. That line has been putrid for years on end now.

Orleans Darkwa averaged 4.4 ypc and Wayne Gallman averaged 4.3 ypc last year for the Giants. Those guys are about as average as it gets. IT was the pass blocking here they really struggled. The Giants new GM has also made improving the o-line a priority this offseason.

 

[Buckna]

I am warming up to the Giants as a destination as well. Scuttlebutt is that Andrew Norwell reuniting with Gettleman who gave him his original shot in Carolina is "all but a done deal." That one move alone would greatly improve the shaky Giants line. From a long-term football perspective, I don't think it would be a great idea for them to pass on drafting a successor to Eli, but from a short-term fantasy outlook Barkley could be in line for very good numbers there.

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley's potential can't be quantified by NFL Combine results

 

[barackdhouse]

I think he’s going to Cleveland and if they don’t draft him it will be their error. You just don’t pass on a guy who is this elite even if his position is devalued. And you have 1.04 to take another player. Then you tell, and pay, cousins or keenum to come to Cleveland because of all the offensive weapons already in place. That is what I would do if GM.

I agree fully. No excuse for them to not get Barkley. Go hard for Foles or Keenum. IMO.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

First, internet bets aren't exactly binding.

But sure, if you want to bet on Barkley being a superstar in year 1, then cool.  Let's do it.  Seems to me that superstar is essentially a top 4 player at his position.  If Barkley finishes as a top 4 RB in typical PPR scoring, then I will never post on FBG again and I will delete this account.  However, if he finishes outside the top 4, then both of you delete your accounts and never post on FBG again.  Deal?

Um no. I deal strictly un cash or Ethereum. I couldn’t care less if you post or not again. Why does that bet sound good to you? Serious question 

 

[Pipes]

First, internet bets aren't exactly binding.

But sure, if you want to bet on Barkley being a superstar in year 1, then cool.  Let's do it.  Seems to me that superstar is essentially a top 4 player at his position.  If Barkley finishes as a top 4 RB in typical PPR scoring, then I will never post on FBG again and I will delete this account.  However, if he finishes outside the top 4, then both of you delete your accounts and never post on FBG again.  Deal?

So the #1 overall pick needs to finish top 4 in his position year 1 to not be considered a bust?  By that definition pretty much every #1 overall pick has been a bust.  I guess if anyone can do it Barkley is the guy but what a ridiculously stupid bet.  LOL sorry my last reply I should know better than to feed the troll.

 

[Pipes]

Also for those of you that say he's likely to bust please go on record as to who you think the Browns should draft.  It's real easy to say so and so is going to be a bust or this guy was a terrible pick at least you can do is go on record with the guy they should pick before the actually draft.  So if Barkley turns out to be just very good say 1200 combined yards and 10 tds per year kind of guy while one of Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen turns out to be a stud while the other 3 are just ok to maybe slightly above average, you shouldn't be banging on the Browns blew another draft pick drum if you didn't call the right QB.  Real easy to brag when it's 1 guy vs the field.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I am not sure why there is so much contention about who the Browns draft and when. With the 1st and 4th picks overall, seems a no-brainer to me to grab Barkley #1 overall and still have a clear shot at one of the Top 3 QBs three picks later.

Seems to me to simply be the safer route given the more comparable talent levels of the Top QBs compared to the Top RBs.

I must not be taking something obvious into this account.

We'll see.

 

[Faust]

Penn State RB Saquon Barkley did not rule out the possibility that he will retest some athletic events during the school pro day on March 20.

"I'm not satisfied with some of my numbers," said Barkley, who did not participate in the three-cone drill or the broad jump but otherwise absolutely dominated at the NFL Scouting Combine. We're all about Barkley's perfectionist attitude, but there's no real upside to testing again -- or even testing just on the three-cone drill and/or broad jump. He's already in play for the No. 1 overall selection and has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's one of the top athletes in the class.

Source: Sporting News

Mar 7 - 5:55 PM

 

[zed2283]

 

[fruity pebbles]

Id love to see him run the 40 again. He has an electronically timed high 4.3 in him. Pro day times he'd run a low 4.3. Then again don't want to see him pull something.

 

[RBM]

I am not sure why there is so much contention about who the Browns draft and when. With the 1st and 4th picks overall, seems a no-brainer to me to grab Barkley #1 overall and still have a clear shot at one of the Top 3 QBs three picks later.

Seems to me to simply be the safer route given the more comparable talent levels of the Top QBs compared to the Top RBs.

I must not be taking something obvious into this account.

We'll see.

Yeah seems like a no brainer. Only thing that could prevent it is if somehow they are absolutely in love with one of the qbs. And knowing the top 4 I’m not sure how that could even happen. But it’s the Browns so....

 

[travdogg]

I am not sure why there is so much contention about who the Browns draft and when. With the 1st and 4th picks overall, seems a no-brainer to me to grab Barkley #1 overall and still have a clear shot at one of the Top 3 QBs three picks later.

Seems to me to simply be the safer route given the more comparable talent levels of the Top QBs compared to the Top RBs.

I must not be taking something obvious into this account.

We'll see.

I can't imagine an NFL team thinking like that though. That's how a fantasy owner thinks. There is a 0% chance any team will view the top QB's as equals. 

Barkley being a RB in a loaded QB class, where most of the top teams need a QB, makes him going #1 seem crazy. I think its more likely he's not a top-5 pick than he goes #1. That pick is a QB even if it means its not the Browns picking there.

 

[msudaisy26]

The owner of the 1.01 pick just offered it to me for 1.02 and Dalvin Cook. If it was a normal league I think I would have accepted, but this is a best ball league and we start 2 rb, 3 wr,  1 te and 3 flex so having a deep team is better. 

 

[BassNBrew]

The owner of the 1.01 pick just offered it to me for 1.02 and Dalvin Cook. If it was a normal league I think I would have accepted, but this is a best ball league and we start 2 rb, 3 wr,  1 te and 3 flex so having a deep team is better. 

So you pasted on Emmitt Smith for Cook and a prayer?  I would actually take the opposite approach in best ball.  2 WR4-5 can post WR2 production.

 

[msudaisy26]

So you pasted on Emmitt Smith for Cook and a prayer?  I would actually take the opposite approach in best ball.  2 WR4-5 can post WR2 production.

I don't view Guice as a prayer. 

 

[Faust]

According to Graham Barfield's charting, Penn State RB Saquon Barkley ranks the highest in three years in missed tackles forced per opportunity.

In that three year sample, Barfield states Barkley places second in Yards Created per Carry, first in Missed Tackles per Carry, first in Missed Tackles per Opportunity and second in Pass Protection Execution. That equals a rare prospect who fits exactly what the NFL is looking for now: a ball carrier who creates yards on his own as a runner and receiver. Now, Barkley does have wrinkles in the form of not sticking his head down and converting one or two yards when a lane is not created. No prospect is flawless, and Barkley's strengths are absurd.

Source: Fantasy Guru

Mar 8 - 10:11 AM

 

[Buckna]

I can't imagine an NFL team thinking like that though. That's how a fantasy owner thinks. There is a 0% chance any team will view the top QB's as equals. 

Barkley being a RB in a loaded QB class, where most of the top teams need a QB, makes him going #1 seem crazy. I think its more likely he's not a top-5 pick than he goes #1. That pick is a QB even if it means its not the Browns picking there.

Agreed, this isn't fantasy football where if I pass on Rodgers I can get Rivers a bunch of rounds later for almost the same production. There are so many variables that will differentiate these guys to an NFL front office like scheme fit, personality, football IQ, accuracy, leadership, arm strength... those are just a few off the top of my head. Very little chance that these teams see these QBs as equals or just pick one at random because they are plug and play. If they do, they'll probably be out of the job in two years.

I'm not a fan that it has become such a QB driven league, but that's reality. The best prospect in this class is probably not even Barkley! It's probably Quenton Nelson and no one is arguing that teams should take the Guard over a QB. And no matter how great Barkley is, he's still just a RB.

Of course, it's the Browns so watch them do the exact opposite of what I am saying here and probably miss on another QB because they took the 3rd best guy.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't view Guice as a prayer. 

Several sources have him listed as the 4th best back in the draft.  

 

[msudaisy26]

Several sources have him listed as the 4th best back in the draft.  

Okay 

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Several sources have him listed as the 4th best back in the draft.  

Several sources seem to be wrong.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I can't imagine an NFL team thinking like that though. That's how a fantasy owner thinks. There is a 0% chance any team will view the top QB's as equals. 

Barkley being a RB in a loaded QB class, where most of the top teams need a QB, makes him going #1 seem crazy. I think its more likely he's not a top-5 pick than he goes #1. That pick is a QB even if it means its not the Browns picking there.

Agreed, this isn't fantasy football where if I pass on Rodgers I can get Rivers a bunch of rounds later for almost the same production. There are so many variables that will differentiate these guys to an NFL front office like scheme fit, personality, football IQ, accuracy, leadership, arm strength... those are just a few off the top of my head. Very little chance that these teams see these QBs as equals or just pick one at random because they are plug and play. If they do, they'll probably be out of the job in two years.

Agree with you both that teams don't see these QBs as equals. There is a big difference in ability in terms of the strength of Allen's arm versus Lamar Jackson's athleticism vs Rosen's accuracy vs Rudolph's mobility vs Mayfield's field vision etc.

But is the drop-off between them that much more than the drop off between a Barkley and a Chubb/Penny/Guice? Again, maybe it is, maybe it isn't but I think that the difference between Barkley and the next few RBs is a little greater. 

Point is that this draft is pretty stocked with talent at QB, and if the Browns aren't in absolute love with a single QB prospect, it's pretty possible their second guy is there for them at #4. And Allen/Rosen/Mayfield (depending on whom the Browns like better) are more likely to be there for them at #4 than Barkley. To me, given the Giants and Colts needs, can see Chubb/Barkley going at 2 and 3. 

This way, the Browns get the best RB in the draft (and a consensus Top 3 pick) and still get a franchise talent at QB.

 

[travdogg]

Agree with you both that teams don't see these QBs as equals. There is a big difference in ability in terms of the strength of Allen's arm versus Lamar Jackson's athleticism vs Rosen's accuracy vs Rudolph's mobility vs Mayfield's field vision etc.

But is the drop-off between them that much more than the drop off between a Barkley and a Chubb/Penny/Guice? Again, maybe it is, maybe it isn't but I think that the difference between Barkley and the next few RBs is a little greater. 

Point is that this draft is pretty stocked with talent at QB, and if the Browns aren't in absolute love with a single QB prospect, it's pretty possible their second guy is there for them at #4. And Allen/Rosen/Mayfield (depending on whom the Browns like better) are more likely to be there for them at #4 than Barkley. To me, given the Giants and Colts needs, can see Chubb/Barkley going at 2 and 3. 

This way, the Browns get the best RB in the draft (and a consensus Top 3 pick) and still get a franchise talent at QB.

That's still fantasy owner speak. Its not about the drop off from one guy to the next, its about the QB determining the entire type of offense you run. RB's simply aren't that important. So while Barkley to #2 RB is probably a bigger drop off than any of the top QB's are, the QB effects everything the offense does, the RB simply doesn't have that power, no matter how good he is.

Right now, I think any team taking Barkley in the top-6 is making a mistake. Tampa is the highest pick, where I can actually see the sense in the pick. Maybe that will change after free agency as some of those teams in the top-6 may address bigger issues, but that is how I think it stands right now.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

That's still fantasy owner speak. Its not about the drop off from one guy to the next, its about the QB determining the entire type of offense you run. RB's simply aren't that important. So while Barkley to #2 RB is probably a bigger drop off than any of the top QB's are, the QB effects everything the offense does, the RB simply doesn't have that power, no matter how good he is.

Right now, I think any team taking Barkley in the top-6 is making a mistake. Tampa is the highest pick, where I can actually see the sense in the pick. Maybe that will change after free agency as some of those teams in the top-6 may address bigger issues, but that is how I think it stands right now.

Let's agree to disagree on this point. I don't see how Barkley does not get drafted in the Top 6 so I'd bet NFL teams would disagree with you here. But that's OK, and what's fun about trying to predict the future. No guarantees a draft stud pans out.

I've seen in the past few years what a solid running game can do for helping to define and open up offenses -- Bell, DJ, Zeke, Kamara/Ingram, Freeman/Coleman, Cook, Fournette -- and actually allow QBs who are less all-rounded to be extraordinary under center. I think a stud at RB definitely can define your offense - at the very least define your team's ability to attack in myriad ways offensively with just the threat of a run.

The argument of a QB being more central/defining to an NFL offense and the relative importance of the RB position to QB also seems to me to be a bit tangential to the argument that team needs are unique. Just because RBs are deemed less important than QBs (and LTs, premiusm CBs, etc.) to an NFL team overall doesn't negate the fact that a team with a need at the RB position (Browns qualify here, without solidity at the position since Mack/Byner in the late 80s/90s) would value a blue-chipper RB with a big drop-off to the next guy over a QB with less of a drop-off to the next guy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

First, internet bets aren't exactly binding.

But sure, if you want to bet on Barkley being a superstar in year 1, then cool.  Let's do it.  Seems to me that superstar is essentially a top 4 player at his position.  If Barkley finishes as a top 4 RB in typical PPR scoring, then I will never post on FBG again and I will delete this account.  However, if he finishes outside the top 4, then both of you delete your accounts and never post on FBG again.  Deal?

You have 104 posts. It seems like not posting anymore wouldn’t bother you much.

 

[Concept Coop]

That's still fantasy owner speak. Its not about the drop off from one guy to the next, its about the QB determining the entire type of offense you run. RB's simply aren't that important. So while Barkley to #2 RB is probably a bigger drop off than any of the top QB's are, the QB effects everything the offense does, the RB simply doesn't have that power, no matter how good he is.

Right now, I think any team taking Barkley in the top-6 is making a mistake. Tampa is the highest pick, where I can actually see the sense in the pick. Maybe that will change after free agency as some of those teams in the top-6 may address bigger issues, but that is how I think it stands right now.

I think taking Fournette that high was a mistake, but Barkley projects to be more than a RB.  You can do a lot of the same things NO did with Kamara, in addition to giving him 20 carries a game.  He can catch, run routes, and block really well, in addition to traditional RB duties.  He's a weapon.  

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

That's still fantasy owner speak. Its not about the drop off from one guy to the next, its about the QB determining the entire type of offense you run. RB's simply aren't that important. So while Barkley to #2 RB is probably a bigger drop off than any of the top QB's are, the QB effects everything the offense does, the RB simply doesn't have that power, no matter how good he is.

But we have a very recent example to the contrary, don't we? Two years ago the Eagles gave the Browns a king's ransom to move up to #2 without (at least publicly) any guarantee at the time that the Rams would draft Goff at 1 instead of Wentz.

I have a hard time believing they'd have made that trade without considering both QBs roughly equal on their board, even though their playing styles are quite different.

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley's true comparison? Cardinals' David Johnson

 

[travdogg]

But we have a very recent example to the contrary, don't we? Two years ago the Eagles gave the Browns a king's ransom to move up to #2 without (at least publicly) any guarantee at the time that the Rams would draft Goff at 1 instead of Wentz.

I have a hard time believing they'd have made that trade without considering both QBs roughly equal on their board, even though their playing styles are quite different.

Not really. Everyone knew the Rams were going Goff. Sure it wasn't "official" but everyone knew Goff was going #1. 

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Not really. Everyone knew the Rams were going Goff. Sure it wasn't "official" but everyone knew Goff was going #1. 

Yeah worst kept secret in football last year...or two years ago

 

[Faust]

The wisdom of drafting Saquon Barkley No. 1; value free agents

 

[Soulfly3]

A great addition to the Browns offense.

We putting up points

 

[Ack88]

A great addition to the Browns offense.

We putting up points

If the Browns are smart enough to take him....not a sure bet.

 

[DocHolliday]

If the Browns are smart enough to take him....not a sure bet.

The Browns will probably draft a QB at 1 and miss out on the home run.   If the QB becomes top 5 eventually, passing on Barkley will have been a smart move.  

 

[Ack88]

The Browns will probably draft a QB at 1 and miss out on the home run.   If the QB becomes top 5 eventually, passing on Barkley will have been a smart move.  

Admittedly, I know nothing and am just a fan, but not one of these QBs looks special to me. Good- yes, great- no.

Barkley is great, like hall of fame talent great. I'm thinking Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, Adrian Peterson, LaDanian Tomlinson kind of talent. Who knows if he will live up to the talent but he is, by a country mile, the best player in this draft. 

Don't overthink it. 

If you are that desperate for a QB, there is not much difference between Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, etc....and you will get one of them at #4. 

 

[Otis]

Admittedly, I know nothing and am just a fan, but not one of these QBs looks special to me. Good- yes, great- no.

Barkley is great, like hall of fame talent great. I'm thinking Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, Adrian Peterson, LaDanian Tomlinson kind of talent. Who knows if he will live up to the talent but he is, by a country mile, the best player in this draft. 

Don't overthink it. 

If you are that desperate for a QB, there is not much difference between Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, etc....and you will get one of them at #4. 

This I agree with. If I’m the Browns I can’t afford to screw this up, and Barkley is a standout and safe pick. The other QBs are all gambles — take whichever is remaining at 4. Suddenly you have a great offense lining up for now and the future. 

 

[Aunt Jemima]

ok so Hyde to the Browns, JStew to the Giants, Crowell to the Jets - Where is Barkley going to land now?? Could it be Denver, Colts, TB? Could he drop to Oak or SF??

 

[fruity pebbles]

ok so Hyde to the Browns, JStew to the Giants, Crowell to the Jets - Where is Barkley going to land now?? Could it be Denver, Colts, TB? Could he drop to Oak or SF??

Stewart isn’t enough of a blip on the radar to sway a decision either way.

 

[Snorkelson]

McKinnon to sf. If he starts to fall someone will be moving up to get him. 

 

[BassNBrew]

ok so Hyde to the Browns, JStew to the Giants, Crowell to the Jets - Where is Barkley going to land now?? Could it be Denver, Colts, TB? Could he drop to Oak or SF??

Stewart is all the more reason for the Giants to take him.  I suspect they brought him in to keep the bench warm for Barkley in the colder months.  Stewart also will give the Giant defenders tackling practice since Barkley won't be tackable.

 

[Sir Psycho]

So if you're a Barkley owner, would you prefer the Giants or Colts ?

 

[fruity pebbles]

So if you're a Barkley owner, would you prefer the Giants or Colts ?

Giants for me

 

[Jello_Biafra]

So if you're a Barkley owner, would you prefer the Giants or Colts ?

Giants

 

[FF Ninja]

So if you're a Barkley owner, would you prefer the Giants or Colts ?

Colts

ok so Hyde to the Browns, JStew to the Giants, Crowell to the Jets - Where is Barkley going to land now?? Could it be Denver, Colts, TB? Could he drop to Oak or SF??

Don't forget Minnesota gave Murray $15M/3yr and then drafted Dalvin and instantly handed him the keys to the offense despite being a 2nd round back with a mediocre at best combine. I haven't seen any of these contract numbers, but I doubt any of them would prohibit a team from taking Barkley if they were expecting him to go earlier and he fell to them. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

ok so Hyde to the Browns, JStew to the Giants, Crowell to the Jets - Where is Barkley going to land now?? Could it be Denver, Colts, TB? Could he drop to Oak or SF??

JStew has zero impact on what the Giants do. If they do not take Barkley it’s not because of him.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Colts

Don't forget Minnesota gave Murray $15M/3yr and then drafted Dalvin and instantly handed him the keys to the offense despite being a 2nd round back with a mediocre at best combine. I haven't seen any of these contract numbers, but I doubt any of them would prohibit a team from taking Barkley if they were expecting him to go earlier and he fell to them. 

schefter has Mckinnon's contract at 4 years $30 mil

 

[Skeletore Eh]

So if you're a Barkley owner, would you prefer the Giants or Colts ?

colts.  the upside of barkley in an Andrew luck led offense is tantalizing

 

[FF Ninja]

schefter has Mckinnon's contract at 4 years $30 mil

Yeah, gives me pause at first then I remember that Lynch thinks he's playing with monopoly money in SF, so I don't think we can read into anything they do.

 

[The Jacket]

I'd probably rule the 9ers out now honestly, but who cares - he was never going there anyway. He's still an absolute lock in the top 5. Denver would love to have him. Cleveland would be stupid to pass on him TWICE. And most of all, the Colts should flat take him at 3. No questions.