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RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (3 Viewers)
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I low-key want him to sit this week. I have Herbert to fill-in, I don't want to have to sweat it out until Monday night, and I'd rather he get a little more rest. Far more important to me that I have him at full strength next week, when Fournette is on bye.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I really could use him this week. Encouraged he's coming back soon, but in a 14 team league, I'm really missing him. I hate that it'll be a Monday night game cause I won't have another option if he's looking good to go and then a last second scratch, so mostly I hope it's generally clear what will happen by Sunday morning.
heckmanm
Footballguy
of course
The Frankman
Footballguy
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Neal Cassady
Footballguy
was just basking in the realization that I’m going up against Rogers this weekend..of course I have Barkley.
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I think Barkley was possibly going to be held out through the bye anyway.was just basking in the realization that I’m going up against Rogers this weekend..of course I have Barkley.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Honestly I think it's time for me to tank/rebuild in the dynasty league where I have him (and Sanders), so having him not playing means I don't have to beabout benching him
I was going to tank but then won 2 games in a row and with some other things that happened decided to go for it this year. Not getting him until week 11 hurts.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I feel like every fantasy draft has that sliding doors moment that ends up determining your season. Last year I took Kamara in the first and was planning on taking a WR -- most likely Golladay or Godwin -- in the second. But at the last second I decided Aaron Jones was too much value, so I grabbed him. That move helped win me a championship.
This year I picked late in the first, and agonized over whether to take Saquon or ... Jonathan Taylor. Guess which direction I went.
This year I picked late in the first, and agonized over whether to take Saquon or ... Jonathan Taylor. Guess which direction I went.
I feel like every fantasy draft has that sliding doors moment that ends up determining your season. Last year I took Kamara in the first and was planning on taking a WR -- most likely Golladay or Godwin -- in the second. But at the last second I decided Aaron Jones was too much value, so I grabbed him. That move helped win me a championship.
This year I picked late in the first, and agonized over whether to take Saquon or ... Jonathan Taylor. Guess which direction I went.
Most guys in the first and second round are good. How good each is really is subjective as well as injury risk / o-line problems / perceived quality of offenses / etc. Think Barkley was an upside shot where you could see top 3 elite value but had a bit more perceived risk which dropped him. Earlier in the year Barkley looked awesome and Taylor had a slow start so things could have gone differently. Just goes to show, that luck is just a huge factor IMO.
Seasons still long.. who knows, Barkley can come back and Taylor can get injured and now you made the right move.
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Neal Cassady
Footballguy
Agreed, though he's a great buy-low if owners are frustrated, or need to win now. Other than week 11 against TB, Giants have a great schedule down the stretch, and Booker has been putting up solid RB2 numbers, despite being greatly inferior to Barkley in every way.sho nuff said:
I think so many people wrote him off. Would be nice to see this guy come back like McCaffrey and Montgomery did. As someone who bought in late, I'm a believer.
If he practices all week and they confirm he’s starting then I don’t see anyway you sit Barkley.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
To be fair, I'm probably sitting Barkley vs TB but only because I think Harris/Stevenson vs ATL and Conner vs SEA have better matchups, history of elite games, and upside and probably better floor too.
May consider flexing him in PPR but prefer to go with a WR.
I still think 9/10 you have to start Barkley if he starts though.
May consider flexing him in PPR but prefer to go with a WR.
I still think 9/10 you have to start Barkley if he starts though.
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
Far be it for me to piss in anyone's parade but... The guy hasn't rushed for over sixty yards since 2019. Why has nobody else brought up the very real possibility that the amount of injuries he's gone through have been too much and the elite rookie we saw is different than the player he is today?
I don't think anyone is arguing that he's back to elite form but that he is very playable given todays scarcity at the position. We believe today's Barkley is better than today's Booker and today's booker was startable. He has upside. But I think his floor is Booker's production given he's healthy enough to get a decent amount of snaps.
But that's just my take. Maybe others are arguing he is no doubt elite top 5 start rest of year. I think that's the hope and upside, but I certainly don't think its a given.
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
Most fantasy articles I've read have given the "he'll be an elite starter now that he's back" vibe. But I agree with you.
I mean that’s only like 6 games 2 of which he was limited coming off a devastating knee injury.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I'd agree with this take. Booker was a top-15 RB in Barkley's absence, and Barkley is better than Booker in every way. This also doesn't seem like an injury where Barkley gets eased back in, I'm expecting full workloads. So top-15 is Barkley's absolute floor. I think top-5 is possible, but its no lock.
It seemed to me his point was that Saquon may be a different back than he was before all the injuries and he backed that up by saying it’s been forever since he’s ran for more than 60 yards. My point was that he hasn’t played that much in forever. Obviously we know he’s had the injury issues causing him to miss all those games but that time span of him not going over 60 yards isn’t really that many games. So I don’t know if it says much about where his skills are at. If he had played 15?games post major injury I’d have much more doubt than when really he’s only played like 4 full games.
Also, his last healthy game was against the Saints who are the #2 defense against RBs this season. Barkley had 126 total yards and 2 TD's, which is better than anyone else has done against them this season.
Right and the game in 2020 before he tore his knee was Pittsburgh and they hit him in the backfield like every play. The one game I’d consider healthy and disappointing on the ground was the Falcons and he had a td and 6/43 through the air. He looked really spry next game against the Saints in the game you referenced. Then a really unlucky injury. I suspect he’ll find the sledding tough in Tampa behind that garbage line but do ok in the air and then he’s got some really appealing matchups where he’ll get it going on the ground and the air.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Cobbler1 said:
Little column a, little column b. Barkley has had multiple leg injuries and it's fair to question if he's the same back as he was when he was elite. Adding another on top this year doesn't make me any more favorable towards his outlook.pantherclub said:
Add to it that he simply hasn't been able to stay healthy for a solid stretch of time... Sometimes being able to stay on the field is a skill onto itself. Even if he comes back with the same form as his rookie year, he's still a higher injury risk than others at a position with a high level of injury risk. Anointing him as a solid rb1, let alone a potential top 5 like @travdogg among others have, fails to bake in all the inherent risk that Barkley comes with.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
You can count the RBs with Barkley's upside on 1 hand, and at least 1 of those fingers have been chopped off(Derrick Henry) saying Barkley has top-5 potential isn't a bold statement whatsoever, he has RB1 overall potential. He's considered "just" an RB1 because of all those risks you alluded to.
Again, Devontae Booker, who is a below average backup RB, has been a top-15 RB in Barkley's absence. That is Barkley's absolute floor. Booker has averaged 19 touches per game since Barkley went down, while Barkley had 22 and 18 his last 2 games before injury. If you consider RB1 to be top-12, as most do. I don't know how anyone can say Barkley won't be that, unless they are basically just saying, "he'll get hurt, he always gets hurt, screw that guy." Which, I mean, you are welcome to do, but its likely a losing strategy.
I have Barkley as the RB8 going forward this season, and despite how I'm coming off in this reply, I think I'm probably being a little pessimistic. I do fully agree that he is a bigger injury risk than most RBs, but I also think that is baked into his price.
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To be honest, not many RB's do reach 100 yards rushing. I'll take 55 yards rushing along with 4 receptions for 40 yards with a TD here and there.
