RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (2 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Is there that much difference between Henderson and Dobbins (other than workload at OSU)? Their college totals, 40 times, and physical attributes are very similar.

 

[Boston]

Is there that much difference between Henderson and Dobbins (other than workload at OSU)? Their college totals, 40 times, and physical attributes are very similar.

You are forgetting the ACL and Achilles injuries.

 

[Anarchy99]

Is there that much difference between Henderson and Dobbins (other than workload at OSU)? Their college totals, 40 times, and physical attributes are very similar.

You are forgetting the ACL and Achilles injuries.

I meant coming out of college.

 

[TripItUp]

Is there that much difference between Henderson and Dobbins (other than workload at OSU)? Their college totals, 40 times, and physical attributes are very similar.

two very different players IMHO

Henderson is comped to Gibbs by some. He's elite catching the ball out of the backfield.

 

[Faust]

First impressions of Patriots RB TreVeyon Henderson on practice field

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

 

[King of the Jungle]

Is there that much difference between Henderson and Dobbins (other than workload at OSU)? Their college totals, 40 times, and physical attributes are very similar.

two very different players IMHO

Henderson is comped to Gibbs by some. He's elite catching the ball out of the backfield.

I think the Gibbs comp is a bit of a stretch, but he is definitely a dangerous weapon. Dobbins was a much better runner imo.

 

[Kiddnets]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

 

[Boston]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

 

[menobrown]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

RS has a lot of meat on the bone left on his contract, for one. For another he’s just a very different RB. I don’t think they want a 5’10 205 back banging between the tackles when they have a 6’ 227 RB on the team.

 

[Boston]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

Henderson was not brought in to replace Stevenson...McDaniels is back as the OC so I would fully expect some form of RBBC...I am higher on Henderson then you as far as FF as I expect him to be a high-octane James While in this offense and I think it will translate to FF more than it did for White...Stevenson is a real wildcard right now...I could see him having a very productive season or getting buried if Vrabel gets to a point he can't trust him...I think there is a huge swing with him right now...Gibson is also hanging around and was decent last year...I don't think he is fantasy-relevant but we don't know how McDaniels will use him so he could end up dinging one or both of the other backs a little bit depending on his role.

 

[Kiddnets]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

Henderson was not brought in to replace Stevenson...McDaniels is back as the OC so I would fully expect some form of RBBC...I am higher on Henderson then you as far as FF as I expect him to be a high-octane James While in this offense and I think it will translate to FF more than it did for White...Stevenson is a real wildcard right now...I could see him having a very productive season or getting buried if Vrabel gets to a point he can't trust him...I think there is a huge swing with him right now...Gibson is also hanging around and was decent last year...I don't think he is fantasy-relevant but we don't know how McDaniels will use him so he could end up dinging one or both of the other backs a little bit depending on his role.

Thats my concern - id expect more than a James White type RB with a top 5 rookie draft pick - I had him as high as 4 behind Jeanty, Hampton, Travis - but now firmly have Tet over him with Harvey and Kaleb gaining.

 

[Boston]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

Henderson was not brought in to replace Stevenson...McDaniels is back as the OC so I would fully expect some form of RBBC...I am higher on Henderson then you as far as FF as I expect him to be a high-octane James While in this offense and I think it will translate to FF more than it did for White...Stevenson is a real wildcard right now...I could see him having a very productive season or getting buried if Vrabel gets to a point he can't trust him...I think there is a huge swing with him right now...Gibson is also hanging around and was decent last year...I don't think he is fantasy-relevant but we don't know how McDaniels will use him so he could end up dinging one or both of the other backs a little bit depending on his role.

Thats my concern - id expect more than a James White type RB with a top 5 rookie draft pick - I had him as high as 4 behind Jeanty, Hampton, Travis - but now firmly have Tet over him with Harvey and Kaleb gaining.

I don't say that in a derogatory manner...I think it will be a plus...I am not one to chase the elusive bell cow...RBBC is becoming the norm and I think Henderson will have a role that may keep him from being a legit #1 but I think he will be a #2 capable of blowing up any week and his receptions will make him a safe play week-to-week...I don't see much downside with him.

 

[mjb03003]

James White was RB6 in PPR in 2018. Just sayin:

94 carries, 425 rushing yards, 5 TDs
87 receptions (123 targets), 751 receiving yards, 7 TDs.

He was also RB18 in 2019 (in 15 games):

67 carries, 263 rushing yards, 1 TD
72 receptions (95 targets), 645 receiving yards, 5 TDS.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

RS has a lot of meat on the bone left on his contract, for one. For another he’s just a very different RB. I don’t think they want a 5’10 205 back banging between the tackles when they have a 6’ 227 RB on the team.

5'10 205lbs isnt even small for a rb anymore. That's almost Ashton jeanty size. It's basically exactly CMC's size.

James Cook is 15lbs lighter despite being taller.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's basically exactly CMC's size.

And hasn't he just been the picture of health with a big workload.

RS is 6' 227 and much better suited to early down work.

 

[menobrown]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

RS has a lot of meat on the bone left on his contract, for one. For another he’s just a very different RB. I don’t think they want a 5’10 205 back banging between the tackles when they have a 6’ 227 RB on the team.

5'10 205lbs isnt even small for a rb anymore. That's almost Ashton jeanty size. It's basically exactly CMC's size.

James Cook is 15lbs lighter despite being taller.

Where are you all pulling these weights from? Team websites? Players body change from the combine of course but NFL teams don't actually have official weigh in's used to update their player sizes. They just input whatever, probably someone from social media. Just saying no idea who is right or now but Henderson weighed 202 at the combine, James Cook was 199.

I'm not focused on the weight mysef but for sure Rhamondre is built to handle a bigger workload.

I just think with Henderson past nagging injury history and with his interior running being one of the weak aspects of his game I just don't think he projects as a high rushing volume player to me. That's what matters more to me then his weight.


He's got three down skills but there is a huge difference between a Rb who can play on all three downs and a workhorse. He has always profiled to me as more of a tandem RBBC guy, not a bellcow even by today's lesser standards.

 

[JohnnyU]

Stud

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not focused on the weight mysef but for sure Rhamondre is built to handle a bigger workload.

This is really my only point in bringing up their weights. I’m just going by what they were listed at when I googled it. RS is definitely better built for 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I’m also not as concerned about the fumbles for RS. Lot of chatter about that on the reddits. Last year was bad, no doubt. But he hasn’t been that bad a fumbler in the past, and he was banged up a lot last year.

 

[menobrown]

But he hasn’t been that bad a fumbler in the past, and he was banged up a lot last year.

Agree and I don't get to carried with fumbles in general as I think it's correctable but I think we can all acknowledge if he fumbled at a high rate again it's going to be an issue for him.

Overall he's been in as dog poop an overall situation as any RB in the league the past few years. Maybe that kind of stuff makes you start pressing, leads to more mistakes but either way his overall lack of success has to be looked at in context of that horrible situation he's been mired. Sound like me, you and a few others are not writing him off after some bad years, even with a high draft pick coming.

Not trying to be negative on what Henderson brings to the table, they truly seem like an ideal complimentary duo and that's the main thing I'm trying to get across, I think that's the plan with some Gibson mixed in next year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think that's the plan with some Gibson mixed in next year.

Ironically he actually is a fumbler. Heh

 

[FreeBaGeL]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

RS has a lot of meat on the bone left on his contract, for one. For another he’s just a very different RB. I don’t think they want a 5’10 205 back banging between the tackles when they have a 6’ 227 RB on the team.

5'10 205lbs isnt even small for a rb anymore. That's almost Ashton jeanty size. It's basically exactly CMC's size.

James Cook is 15lbs lighter despite being taller.

Where are you all pulling these weights from? Team websites? Players body change from the combine of course but NFL teams don't actually have official weigh in's used to update their player sizes. They just input whatever, probably someone from social media. Just saying no idea who is right or now but Henderson weighed 202 at the combine, James Cook was 199.

I'm not focused on the weight mysef but for sure Rhamondre is built to handle a bigger workload.

I just think with Henderson past nagging injury history and with his interior running being one of the weak aspects of his game I just don't think he projects as a high rushing volume player to me. That's what matters more to me then his weight.


He's got three down skills but there is a huge difference between a Rb who can play on all three downs and a workhorse. He has always profiled to me as more of a tandem RBBC guy, not a bellcow even by today's lesser standards.

I just went to NFL.com. NFL, ESPN, pro-football-reference, etc all list him as 190.

I am open to the idea those are fudged numbers, but regardless the point is he's basically the same size, as are many of the RBs that finished in the top 10 last year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

Who said they only want to use him like James White?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

Who said they only want to use him like James White?

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Henderson was not brought in to replace Stevenson...McDaniels is back as the OC so I would fully expect some form of RBBC...I am higher on Henderson then you as far as FF as I expect him to be a high-octane James While in this offense

Thats my concern - id expect more than a James White type RB with a top 5 rookie draft pick - I had him as high as 4 behind Jeanty, Hampton, Travis - but now firmly have Tet over him with Harvey and Kaleb gaining.

James White was RB6 in PPR in 2018. Just sayin:

94 carries, 425 rushing yards, 5 TDs
87 receptions (123 targets), 751 receiving yards, 7 TDs.

He was also RB18 in 2019 (in 15 games):

67 carries, 263 rushing yards, 1 TD
72 receptions (95 targets), 645 receiving yards, 5 TDS.

 

[ffmail4me]

I don't think they will only give him 100 carries (or less) like White, but I'll GLADLY take White's production in the passing game

 

[mjb03003]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

Who said they only want to use him like James White?

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Henderson was not brought in to replace Stevenson...McDaniels is back as the OC so I would fully expect some form of RBBC...I am higher on Henderson then you as far as FF as I expect him to be a high-octane James While in this offense

Thats my concern - id expect more than a James White type RB with a top 5 rookie draft pick - I had him as high as 4 behind Jeanty, Hampton, Travis - but now firmly have Tet over him with Harvey and Kaleb gaining.

James White was RB6 in PPR in 2018. Just sayin:

94 carries, 425 rushing yards, 5 TDs
87 receptions (123 targets), 751 receiving yards, 7 TDs.

He was also RB18 in 2019 (in 15 games):

67 carries, 263 rushing yards, 1 TD
72 receptions (95 targets), 645 receiving yards, 5 TDS.

Unsure why I was quoted here. I listed James White’s 2018 and 2019 numbers just to illustrate that even the James White role was extremely productive for fantasy at his peak. I believe Henderson will get more carries (and likely fewer catches) than White in those years, but still a larger overall workload.

 

[Anarchy99]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

Who said they only want to use him like James White?

I actually want to know who came up with the narrative that Henderson is being considered as a James White type of back in the first place. He averaged 1.6 receptions per game at tOSU (which is what he averaged as a senior as well). If that usage rate carried over to the NFL, that would work out to 27 receptions if he played a full 17-game season. How that became comparable to White and his up to 87 receptions in a season is befuddling.

There is no way of knowing if the way NE shuffled through and used their backs was more a of BB thing or a Josh McDaniels thing. But they generally kept adding RBs every year or two and no one really lasted a long time. They had 8 different guys as their leading rusher in the past 12 years. Normally, I would say a guy a team added recently was the choice of the current coaching staff, and that guy would likely be the one with a brighter future on the team. But Rhamondre was drafted when McDaniels was still with the Pats, so I am guessing he had some input in the team drafting him. Plus, he is getting paid well. He's the 10th highest paid back in the league at $9M this season. Fantasy wise, RS and TH could easily drain the value of the other, and both guys could be getting drafted too early (if the workload is divided pretty evenly). I haven't checked their ADPs latetly, but liast I looked, NE would have to get a lot more RB production to make them both fantasy relevant this year.

 

[travdogg]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

I think these situational comps aren't giving Stevenson enough credit. Nobody other than Gibbs in that 1st group was dealing with anyone on Stevenson's level, and nobody in that 2nd list was on Stevenson's level. NE thought high enough of Stevenson to give him a very large extension a year ago, and I HIGHLY doubt that was all Mayo. I think the likely scenario is Stevenson is the starter, and Henderson sees COP/situational work in 2025, and possibly long term too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plus, he is getting paid well. He's the 10th highest paid back in the league at $9M

yeah, I mentioned this part earlier. He’s got a lot of guaranteed money as well. Generally speaking, high paid NFL players play. Wild assertion, I know.

 

[Boston]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

I think these situational comps aren't giving Stevenson enough credit. Nobody other than Gibbs in that 1st group was dealing with anyone on Stevenson's level, and nobody in that 2nd list was on Stevenson's level. NE thought high enough of Stevenson to give him a very large extension a year ago, and I HIGHLY doubt that was all Mayo. I think the likely scenario is Stevenson is the starter, and Henderson sees COP/situational work in 2025, and possibly long term too.

iMO contracts given before Vrabel don’t have any meaning (good or bad) as far as the current season or the future IMO.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

I think these situational comps aren't giving Stevenson enough credit. Nobody other than Gibbs in that 1st group was dealing with anyone on Stevenson's level, and nobody in that 2nd list was on Stevenson's level. NE thought high enough of Stevenson to give him a very large extension a year ago, and I HIGHLY doubt that was all Mayo. I think the likely scenario is Stevenson is the starter, and Henderson sees COP/situational work in 2025, and possibly long term too.

I think the opposite. I think people in here are giving Stevenson too much credit. Way too much.

He had a good year 3 years ago. Since then he has been a mess of injuries, bad production, and now we can even add fumbles to the mix as well. He would've been a sell even if NE hadn't used a premium pick on another running back.

I've said this before other places on the forum, but mid/late 20's running backs coming off of multiple bad seasons disappear into obscurity at a rate of 10-to-1 over the ones that actually bounce back and become good players again. Historically by far the most likely scenario for Stevenson is that he is never fantasy relevant again, or maybe half relevant for another year or so before everyone forgets whether he's even still in the league or not.

The contract does complicate things a bit but it's time to call that contract what it is, a bad contract that was a bad mistake. New England is hardly the first to make that mistake on a RB and they'd be hardly the first to quickly realize their mistake and give up on it if they choose to do so.

Unless New England gets stuck in sunk cost fallacy, Stevenson won't be an issue long-term (and maybe even short-term) if Henderson is actually as good as his draft capital indicates. Henderson will either be as good as advertised and we'll all forget about Stevenson a year from now, or he won't be good and the two will share crappy production that makes neither relevant. The odds of Stevenson reviving his career at age 27 after two crappy years are way stacked against him. Injuries, bad situation, whatever. Every one of the multitude of guys that followed this exact same career path had all the same excuses convincing people to hold on when the writing was on the wall.

 

[menobrown]

I actually want to know who came up with the narrative that Henderson is being considered as a James White type of back in the first place. He averaged 1.6 receptions per game at tOSU (which is what he averaged as a senior as well). If that usage rate carried over to the NFL, that would work out to 27 receptions if he played a full 17-game season. How that became comparable to White and his up to 87 receptions in a season is befuddling.

James White averaged 1.4 receptions in his time at Wisconsin which would have worked out to 24 in a 17 game season.

 

[menobrown]

@32BeatWriters
“I'm excited about McDaniels's plan for second-round RB TreVeyon Henderson, whose explosiveness and quicks are evident. The Pats could find unique ways to get Henderson into space as a receiver and gadget player from different alignments – he's a playmaker.”

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1928387135888867495?s=61

still high on him but dont like top 5 rookie picks referred to as gadget player

Agreed.

I think people are kicking dirt on RS grave prematurely. These backs compliment each other in a Monty/Gibbs sort of way (not really comping Henderson to Gibbs though)

I could be wrong, but I can see using them both at the same time pretty often. And using RS in short yardage.

If Stevenson can be trusted I fully expect a 1/2 punch of him and Henderson...I would much rather have Henderson in FF but if Stevenson plays well he will have a legit role in this offense.

I expect a 1-2 punch and got it pretty close to even next year for fantasy with expectation Rhamondre gets more overall touches, including more in the goal line area, but Henderson getting more high volume non-red zone area touches in the passing game and being put in space. In a RBBC I usually favor the top pass catching RB which I do think is Henderson but Rhamondre's got some skills there as well-but would be shocked if Henderson does not own the third down/passing game role.

I've actually got a little more down on Henderson in the weeks since the draft the more I've thought about it. I just don't think they drafted him to replace RS, not now anyway, but his speed on a slow footed offense and pass protection skills with Maye behind a still less the average line is what drew them to picking him. That's not horrible but not exactly ideal.

Now I'm not so down on Henderson I won't draft him or put him inside top 6 rookies and am in a draft right now I took him at as RB24 and later took Rhamondre as RB41. 5 round difference, guess not a popular RB zone, and HSG guy you mentioned using both of them in real life but my thinking was I might need to use both of them in fantasy the same weeks and think this could be a viable plan on teams thin at RB(like the one I'm drafting). I could see the two of them combining for like a 25'ish PPG block. With no bye week until 14 if you get crammed at RB during drafts and pair these two up they might offer you a depth or a viable 2 RB solution until your fantasy team figures out how to build more Rb's around them. That's my thinking anyway.

RS has a lot of meat on the bone left on his contract, for one. For another he’s just a very different RB. I don’t think they want a 5’10 205 back banging between the tackles when they have a 6’ 227 RB on the team.

5'10 205lbs isnt even small for a rb anymore. That's almost Ashton jeanty size. It's basically exactly CMC's size.

James Cook is 15lbs lighter despite being taller.

Where are you all pulling these weights from? Team websites? Players body change from the combine of course but NFL teams don't actually have official weigh in's used to update their player sizes. They just input whatever, probably someone from social media. Just saying no idea who is right or now but Henderson weighed 202 at the combine, James Cook was 199.

I'm not focused on the weight mysef but for sure Rhamondre is built to handle a bigger workload.

I just think with Henderson past nagging injury history and with his interior running being one of the weak aspects of his game I just don't think he projects as a high rushing volume player to me. That's what matters more to me then his weight.


He's got three down skills but there is a huge difference between a Rb who can play on all three downs and a workhorse. He has always profiled to me as more of a tandem RBBC guy, not a bellcow even by today's lesser standards.

I just went to NFL.com. NFL, ESPN, pro-football-reference, etc all list him as 190.

I am open to the idea those are fudged numbers, but regardless the point is he's basically the same size, as are many of the RBs that finished in the top 10 last year.

Ok, just wanted clarfication and in no way do I think James Cook is dropped 9 pounds since the combine.

But you won't find me debating or arguing his size is the issue and I'm one of the people who was ardently fighting that Gibbs size was not a concern when he came into the league. A non-issue to me.

I don't agree on pretty much anything you said on Rhamondre in your follow up post but this is not his thread and I've said enough about him but will just say I think he's an issue now and if/when he's out of the picture someone else will be because Henderson to me is in every way a space/satelite back and one of the weakest parts of his game is interior running.

I think he's always going to be a RBBC back and will never be a top 5 fantasy RB.

But I also have fought the hard fight in previous threads/discussions for Gibbs, Swift and going all the way back to when Kamara was coming into the league that you don't have to be a bell cow to be a good fantasy back espeically when you bring receiving traits to the table so I'm not going to contradict that now. My anticipation for Henderson is he will live primarly in the RB2 zone for the duration of his career. A 13-15 PPR PPG kind of producer.

 

[Lansdowne]

Treyveon is probably not going to get Saquon levels of workload but saying they want to use him like James White is a huge stretch.

200+ carries and 50+ receptions is plenty to be an elite fantasy RB these days. Maybe not out of the gate year 1 (though that is entirely possible), but if he's not doing that by year 2 then it's only because he's not good enough, not due to his size.

Half of the top 10 running backs last year were a similar size to Henderson.

Jahmir Gibbs
De'Von Achane
Kyren Williams
James Cook
Chase Brown

They all hit that 200+ carry mark by year two, and mostly left their "counterpart" in the dust.

Rhamondre Stevenson is a non-issue. He's not better suited for early down work. He's better suited for the bench. He was a one hit wonder. He's been bad for several years now, and for all that beautiful size everyone loves he's been the one that's had trouble staying healthy (just like the bigger Zack Moss being the one that couldn't stay healthy alongside Chase Brown).

By far the most like scenario for Rhamondre is he gets work in some capacity this year, maybe 40-50%, and then fades into the annals of FF history and just becomes one of those guys whose name gets thrown out in the future and people think "oh wow, I totally forgot that guy even existed!". Like Jordan Howard, Chris Brown, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Philip Lindsay, Jeremy Hill, etc.

If Henderson is good he will have no problem getting a workload needed for top 5 fantasy production by year 2 at the latest. If he's not then he won't. Rhamondre won't be a factor one way or the other.

I think these situational comps aren't giving Stevenson enough credit. Nobody other than Gibbs in that 1st group was dealing with anyone on Stevenson's level, and nobody in that 2nd list was on Stevenson's level. NE thought high enough of Stevenson to give him a very large extension a year ago, and I HIGHLY doubt that was all Mayo. I think the likely scenario is Stevenson is the starter, and Henderson sees COP/situational work in 2025, and possibly long term too.

I think the opposite. I think people in here are giving Stevenson too much credit. Way too much.

He had a good year 3 years ago. Since then he has been a mess of injuries, bad production, and now we can even add fumbles to the mix as well. He would've been a sell even if NE hadn't used a premium pick on another running back.

I've said this before other places on the forum, but mid/late 20's running backs coming off of multiple bad seasons disappear into obscurity at a rate of 10-to-1 over the ones that actually bounce back and become good players again. Historically by far the most likely scenario for Stevenson is that he is never fantasy relevant again, or maybe half relevant for another year or so before everyone forgets whether he's even still in the league or not.

The contract does complicate things a bit but it's time to call that contract what it is, a bad contract that was a bad mistake. New England is hardly the first to make that mistake on a RB and they'd be hardly the first to quickly realize their mistake and give up on it if they choose to do so.

Unless New England gets stuck in sunk cost fallacy, Stevenson won't be an issue long-term (and maybe even short-term) if Henderson is actually as good as his draft capital indicates. Henderson will either be as good as advertised and we'll all forget about Stevenson a year from now, or he won't be good and the two will share crappy production that makes neither relevant. The odds of Stevenson reviving his career at age 27 after two crappy years are way stacked against him. Injuries, bad situation, whatever. Every one of the multitude of guys that followed this exact same career path had all the same excuses convincing people to hold on when the writing was on the wall.

Saying this as someone who absolutely loves Henderson: dismissing Stevenson as a functional part of the offense could be a mistake. The Pats OL was dead last in run block win rate and second-to-last in pass block win rate last season. Stevenson getting nearly 1,000 total yards and 8 total TDs despite that was a minor miracle in itself. The shine has worn off from Stevenson ever since his breakout 2022 performance, but he can still be fantasy useful when priced properly. He was fantasy RB27 last year, which is a high end RB3 in the Brian Robinson and Tyrone Tracy range. With the three new additions to the OL this year and some actual competent coaching (Doug Marrone is one of the finer OL coaches in the NFL), I can see a scenario where he returns low end RB2 value in a timeshare with Henderson (who I'd favor as a high end RB2 with RB1 spike weeks). Stevenson might be another Jonathan Stewart for fantasy. Ball security will be the main thing for him, has to return to his 2023 form where he only had 1 fumble all season. As for Henderson, he has mega star upside, but my worry is he doesn't excel between the tackles (plus running behind the Pats OL, even improved as it could be, presents a downgrade from Ohio State's OL).

 

[Anarchy99]

James White averaged 1.4 receptions in his time at Wisconsin which would have worked out to 24 in a 17 game season.

Not exactly the same situation. White averaged 3 catches a game as a senior (and played twice as much as he did his junior year). That would get him 51 catches in an NFL season.

I believe it was Edelman that said that Henderson could block and pass, and thus the comparisons to White started. The one complaint with NE backs over the years was that opponents could determine what the play call would be based on the RB on the field. If they had backs that could run and catch on any given play, that would help the offence. RS had a season with 69 receptions. Gibson had a season with 48 receptions. TH apparently could be used as a receiver out of the backfield. If the offense became less predictable, they would be tougher to defend. All I know with Henderson is that some of the comps have gotten a bit over the top in terms of who else his game is like.

I looked up the workloads for rookie RB under McDaniels . . . (rushes/receptions):

Laurence Maroney 172/22
BJGE 74/3
Knowshon Moreno 247/28
Brandon Bolden 56/2
Jonas Gray 89/1
James White 9/5
Sony Michel 209/7
Damien Harris 4/0
J.J. Taylor 23/1
Rhamondre 133/14
Zamir White 17/0

Not a ton of receptions there, but I suspect that was due to suspect pass protection skills. If Henderson can pick up defenders on blitz pickup right out of the gate, he could see more time on the field in passing situations.

 

[Boston]

Edelman with his two cents on the Henderson/White comp:

Patriots rookie already earning comparisons to Super Bowl icon James White

Following a storied career with the New England Patriots, which saw Julian Edelman win a trio of Super Bowl Rings, a Super Bowl MVP, and total over 7,000 yards

musketfire.com

 

[menobrown]

James White averaged 1.4 receptions in his time at Wisconsin which would have worked out to 24 in a 17 game season.

Not exactly the same situation. White averaged 3 catches a game as a senior (and played twice as much as he did his junior year). That would get him 51 catches in an NFL season.

Sorry but removing White's entire career when he was heavily playing and only using his last year screams of cherry picking.

Point we might both be able to agree on is both RB's had pass catching skills but neither were in systems that utilized it much. That's where the White comp makes sense but where Henderson might struggle to get that kind of receiving workload is I think a stone footed guy like Brady needed to rely heavily on his RB's a lot more then the super underrated athletic Maye will regardless of being in a McDaniels offense. I mean Brady turned Fournette into a 70+ catch guy because of his quick processing and willingness to take a profit and avoid a negative play. In a lot of similar sitautions Maye will likely use his legs to buy time and eventually run.

Of course Henderson is far more explosive then White ever dreamed of being and while I recall White being put in some awesomely drawn up and executed screen plays I think Henderson is gong to stress defenses a lot more with his speed and turn his catches into bigger plays.

All in all we might also agree that I'm not really seeing Henderson like White with exception of both should be their teams primary third down/passing down backs. I think their styles are really different.

Rhamondre is also a good receiver and I think it's going to help NE next year not be predictable when one is in the game. Both can play all three downs.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Saying this as someone who absolutely loves Henderson: dismissing Stevenson as a functional part of the offense could be a mistake. The Pats OL was dead last in run block win rate and second-to-last in pass block win rate last season. Stevenson getting nearly 1,000 total yards and 8 total TDs despite that was a minor miracle in itself. The shine has worn off from Stevenson ever since his breakout 2022 performance, but he can still be fantasy useful when priced properly. He was fantasy RB27 last year, which is a high end RB3 in the Brian Robinson and Tyrone Tracy range. With the three new additions to the OL this year and some actual competent coaching (Doug Marrone is one of the finer OL coaches in the NFL), I can see a scenario where he returns low end RB2 value in a timeshare with Henderson (who I'd favor as a high end RB2 with RB1 spike weeks). Stevenson might be another Jonathan Stewart for fantasy. Ball security will be the main thing for him, has to return to his 2023 form where he only had 1 fumble all season. As for Henderson, he has mega star upside, but my worry is he doesn't excel between the tackles (plus running behind the Pats OL, even improved as it could be, presents a downgrade from Ohio State's OL).

These are all the same things that were said about Jordan Howard, Devonta Freeman, Marlon Mack, Philip Lindsay, Matt Breida, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Peyton Hillis, Jeremy Hill, Chris Brown, and the 1000 other guys that followed this path into obscurity. In every case their were people saying it was the injuries, or the O-line, or the playcalling, or all of them.

Every once in a blue blue moon you get a guy who actually turns it around after multiple seasons of subpar play, like CMC did, but they are by far the major exception.

Post-breakout 25+ year old running backs coming off of multiple consecutive down years just almost always fade away rather than bounce back. We're talking like 90%+ here. One bad year and it's not written in stone. With two bad years like Rhamondre where his efficiency dropped massively, injury riddled, etc. They're usually pretty close to donezo roster cloggers.

 

[Anarchy99]

James White averaged 1.4 receptions in his time at Wisconsin which would have worked out to 24 in a 17 game season.

Not exactly the same situation. White averaged 3 catches a game as a senior (and played twice as much as he did his junior year). That would get him 51 catches in an NFL season.

Sorry but removing White's entire career when he was heavily playing and only using his last year screams of cherry picking.

Point we might both be able to agree on is both RB's had pass catching skills but neither were in systems that utilized it much. That's where the White comp makes sense but where Henderson might struggle to get that kind of receiving workload is I think a stone footed guy like Brady needed to rely heavily on his RB's a lot more then the super underrated athletic Maye will regardless of being in a McDaniels offense. I mean Brady turned Fournette into a 70+ catch guy because of his quick processing and willingness to take a profit and avoid a negative play. In a lot of similar sitautions Maye will likely use his legs to buy time and eventually run.

Of course Henderson is far more explosive then White ever dreamed of being and while I recall White being put in some awesomely drawn up and executed screen plays I think Henderson is gong to stress defenses a lot more with his speed and turn his catches into bigger plays.

All in all we might also agree that I'm not really seeing Henderson like White with exception of both should be their teams primary third down/passing down backs. I think their styles are really different.

Rhamondre is also a good receiver and I think it's going to help NE next year not be predictable when one is in the game. Both can play all three downs.

I guess I am still puzzled that Edleman's comments that Henderson reminding him of White got picked up everywhere and that turned into Henderson becoming the next James White. I haven't seen that coming from people associated with the team or that cover the team. The point being, I am not sure Henderson will be used anywhere near the way White was. I can see them bringing Henderson along slowly for all the reasons already discussed . . . and use him more as a runner to start. TH might turn into a third down specialist at some point (whether or not he plays a lot on other downs). If healthy and the OL is improved, RS is a proven capable back. Gibson also has proven to be a reliable option (although he should be a much lesser used option). Not a lot to go on as far as Maye and last year, but they didn't have him checking down to the RBs a ton.

 

[menobrown]

James White averaged 1.4 receptions in his time at Wisconsin which would have worked out to 24 in a 17 game season.

Not exactly the same situation. White averaged 3 catches a game as a senior (and played twice as much as he did his junior year). That would get him 51 catches in an NFL season.

Sorry but removing White's entire career when he was heavily playing and only using his last year screams of cherry picking.

Point we might both be able to agree on is both RB's had pass catching skills but neither were in systems that utilized it much. That's where the White comp makes sense but where Henderson might struggle to get that kind of receiving workload is I think a stone footed guy like Brady needed to rely heavily on his RB's a lot more then the super underrated athletic Maye will regardless of being in a McDaniels offense. I mean Brady turned Fournette into a 70+ catch guy because of his quick processing and willingness to take a profit and avoid a negative play. In a lot of similar sitautions Maye will likely use his legs to buy time and eventually run.

Of course Henderson is far more explosive then White ever dreamed of being and while I recall White being put in some awesomely drawn up and executed screen plays I think Henderson is gong to stress defenses a lot more with his speed and turn his catches into bigger plays.

All in all we might also agree that I'm not really seeing Henderson like White with exception of both should be their teams primary third down/passing down backs. I think their styles are really different.

Rhamondre is also a good receiver and I think it's going to help NE next year not be predictable when one is in the game. Both can play all three downs.

I guess I am still puzzled that Edleman's comments that Henderson reminding him of White got picked up everywhere and that turned into Henderson becoming the next James White. I haven't seen that coming from people associated with the team or that cover the team. The point being, I am not sure Henderson will be used anywhere near the way White was. I can see them bringing Henderson along slowly for all the reasons already discussed . . . and use him more as a runner to start. TH might turn into a third down specialist at some point (whether or not he plays a lot on other downs). If healthy and the OL is improved, RS is a proven capable back. Gibson also has proven to be a reliable option (although he should be a much lesser used option). Not a lot to go on as far as Maye and last year, but they didn't have him checking down to the RBs a ton.

I actually agree with almost everything you are saying here, only quibble is he's an older incoming rookie RB who was drafted high so would expect that's with a designed usage in mind to try and get him on the field a little earlier and more frequent then you might be inclined to think and I think they need his speed.

Now saying that I have Rhamondre and Hendereson on two teams together and as silly as this might be to say today if I had to input my week one starting lineup right now I'd go with Rhamondre, which again means nothing today without all the info I'll gain from training camp and preseason just where I'm at today with them.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Saying this as someone who absolutely loves Henderson: dismissing Stevenson as a functional part of the offense could be a mistake. The Pats OL was dead last in run block win rate and second-to-last in pass block win rate last season. Stevenson getting nearly 1,000 total yards and 8 total TDs despite that was a minor miracle in itself. The shine has worn off from Stevenson ever since his breakout 2022 performance, but he can still be fantasy useful when priced properly. He was fantasy RB27 last year, which is a high end RB3 in the Brian Robinson and Tyrone Tracy range. With the three new additions to the OL this year and some actual competent coaching (Doug Marrone is one of the finer OL coaches in the NFL), I can see a scenario where he returns low end RB2 value in a timeshare with Henderson (who I'd favor as a high end RB2 with RB1 spike weeks). Stevenson might be another Jonathan Stewart for fantasy. Ball security will be the main thing for him, has to return to his 2023 form where he only had 1 fumble all season. As for Henderson, he has mega star upside, but my worry is he doesn't excel between the tackles (plus running behind the Pats OL, even improved as it could be, presents a downgrade from Ohio State's OL).

These are all the same things that were said about Jordan Howard, Devonta Freeman, Marlon Mack, Philip Lindsay, Matt Breida, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell, Peyton Hillis, Jeremy Hill, Chris Brown, and the 1000 other guys that followed this path into obscurity. In every case their were people saying it was the injuries, or the O-line, or the playcalling, or all of them.

Every once in a blue blue moon you get a guy who actually turns it around after multiple seasons of subpar play, like CMC did, but they are by far the major exception.

Post-breakout 25+ year old running backs coming off of multiple consecutive down years just almost always fade away rather than bounce back. We're talking like 90%+ here. One bad year and it's not written in stone. With two bad years like Rhamondre where his efficiency dropped massively, injury riddled, etc. They're usually pretty close to donezo roster cloggers.

In general, I think there are a lot of truths here. to the specific case of RS, it seems to eliminate the context of the team around him those last two years.

He dealt with a couple of soft tissue injuries, and that offense for at least one of those years was absolute garbage.

The team sure seemsed to think he has a lot left based on that massive contract they gave him.

Once again, it just seems way premature to be kicking dirt on this guy‘s grave. IMO going to play a lot more than Henderson shareholders want him to. The only thing stopping that from happening would be if he continues to fumble to a high rate. But that, too, seems like it would be unusual given his career history.

 

[Anarchy99]

The team sure seems to think he has a lot left based on that massive contract they gave him.

NE did a lot of strange things last season. They extended a bunch of guys, some of which they probably overpaid. Stevenson, Dugger, Henry, Barmore, Onwenu, Bourne, Peppers, Tavai, and some lower paid guys. They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere.

Which circles back to the other point I was making:

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere

It’s hard to fairly judge RS based on his output on his second year because that offense was an absolute mess. They had nothing at WR, and in his 3rd year they had a rookie QB & not a whole lot at receiver.

This year seems pretty important for the Pats to take that next step. IMO Stevenson will be a big part of that. Few teams use a bell-cow RB these days, and I really don’t see Henderson fitting that role regardless. He never did in college.

In 2024 he split carries with Judkins, toting the ball 144 times with 29 receptions. 174 touches.

2023 he had 156 carries & 19 receptions. 175 touches.

2022 he had 107 carries & 4 receptions (8 games)

2021 was his heaviest workload at 183 carries & 27 reception.

I’m having a difficult time projecting him for an NFL starter’s workload of ~250+ carries. The 2024 Patriots ran the ball 446 times in 2024.

The last time McDaniels was their OC in 2021 they ran The ball a whopping 489 times.

Seems like there will be plenty of touches to go around between RS & Henderson. I am skeptical he carries the ball 200x. And both backs are capable receivers. As @menobrown suggested, they’ll likely use both in the receiving game to not be predictable when only one is on the field.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere.

Which circles back to the other point I was making:

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere

It’s hard to fairly judge RS based on his output on his second year because that offense was an absolute mess. They had nothing at WR, and in his 3rd year they had a rookie QB & not a whole lot at receiver.

This year seems pretty important for the Pats to take that next step. IMO Stevenson will be a big part of that. Few teams use a bell-cow RB these days, and I really don’t see Henderson fitting that role regardless. He never did in college.

In 2024 he split carries with Judkins, toting the ball 144 times with 29 receptions. 174 touches.

2023 he had 156 carries & 19 receptions. 175 touches.

2022 he had 107 carries & 4 receptions (8 games)

2021 was his heaviest workload at 183 carries & 27 reception.

I’m having a difficult time projecting him for an NFL starter’s workload of ~250+ carries. The 2024 Patriots ran the ball 446 times in 2024.

The last time McDaniels was their OC in 2021 they ran The ball a whopping 489 times.

Seems like there will be plenty of touches to go around between RS & Henderson. I am skeptical he carries the ball 200x. And both backs are capable receivers. As @menobrown suggested, they’ll likely use both in the receiving game to not be predictable when only one is on the field.

Career high touches in college for...

Gibbs: 195
Achane: 232
Cook: 140
Henderson: 210



If he's good, he'll get a Gibbs/Achane/Cook/Kyren/etc workload which is plenty to be a top 5 fantasy RB. Maybe not year 1, but no later than year 2 if he's good enough. And maybe close to that even year 1 if he earns it. Stevenson won't be an impediment to that. The only impediment will be Henderson himself. It's not 1998 anymore, these coaches aren't going to hold an electric player back like they did back then.

Again, I don't buy the excuses or "but it's different in this case" for Stevenson. Like I said before, every single one of those guys whose path Stevenson is following had people yelling all of those same excuses. He was hurt! Bad gameplan! Rookie QB! Their situation is always "different' until they fade and they become another stock example for the next guy who is "different". Two years of excuses for a post breakout 27 year old running back almost always end up being exactly that, excuses. It's not 100%, but it's very likely.

 

[Anarchy99]

The last time McDaniels was their OC in 2021 they ran The ball a whopping 489 times.

They were also winning. Hard to guess what they will do if they are playing from behind. I can see them gelling and winning . . . and I can see them still having talent issues and playing from behind a lot. While they ran the ball 489 times in 2021, the 2 primary RBs had a combined 335 rushing attempts. That's probably a better number to work with than 489. Plus, Maye they will most likely have Maye with more rushing attempts this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The last time McDaniels was their OC in 2021 they ran The ball a whopping 489 times.

They were also winning. Hard to guess what they will do if they are playing from behind. I can see them gelling and winning . . . and I can see them still having talent issues and playing from behind a lot. While they ran the ball 489 times in 2021, the 2 primary RBs had a combined 335 rushing attempts. That's probably a better number to work with than 489. Plus, Maye they will most likely have Maye with more rushing attempts this year.

Oh for sure - I didn’t mean to imply that I thought there would be 489 carries between RS & Henderson. Just that based on McDaniels most recent stint there, they ran a lot. And that there should be plenty of touches to go around.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere.

Which circles back to the other point I was making:

They didn't have a lot of options, as they had a ton of cap room and very few free agents were interested in coming to town. They had to spend their money somewhere

It’s hard to fairly judge RS based on his output on his second year because that offense was an absolute mess. They had nothing at WR, and in his 3rd year they had a rookie QB & not a whole lot at receiver.

This year seems pretty important for the Pats to take that next step. IMO Stevenson will be a big part of that. Few teams use a bell-cow RB these days, and I really don’t see Henderson fitting that role regardless. He never did in college.

In 2024 he split carries with Judkins, toting the ball 144 times with 29 receptions. 174 touches.

2023 he had 156 carries & 19 receptions. 175 touches.

2022 he had 107 carries & 4 receptions (8 games)

2021 was his heaviest workload at 183 carries & 27 reception.

I’m having a difficult time projecting him for an NFL starter’s workload of ~250+ carries. The 2024 Patriots ran the ball 446 times in 2024.

The last time McDaniels was their OC in 2021 they ran The ball a whopping 489 times.

Seems like there will be plenty of touches to go around between RS & Henderson. I am skeptical he carries the ball 200x. And both backs are capable receivers. As @menobrown suggested, they’ll likely use both in the receiving game to not be predictable when only one is on the field.

Career high touches in college for...

Gibbs: 195
Achane: 232
Cook: 140
Henderson: 210



If he's good, he'll get a Gibbs/Achane/Cook/Kyren/etc workload which is plenty to be a top 5 fantasy RB. Maybe not year 1, but no later than year 2 if he's good enough. And maybe close to that even year 1 if he earns it. Stevenson won't be an impediment to that. The only impediment will be Henderson himself. It's not 1998 anymore, these coaches aren't going to hold an electric player back like they did back then.

Again, I don't buy the excuses or "but it's different in this case" for Stevenson. Like I said before, every single one of those guys whose path Stevenson is following had people yelling all of those same excuses. He was hurt! Bad gameplan! Rookie QB! Their situation is always "different' until they fade and they become another stock example for the next guy who is "different". Two years of excuses for a post breakout 27 year old running back almost always end up being exactly that, excuses. It's not 100%, but it's very likely.

I guess we’ll find out when the games get played.

I’m expecting a pretty even split of touches. Especially in Henderson’s 1st season.

I could certainly be wrong. Wouldn’t be the 1st time.