I have him in 3 leagues, but benched him in 2 of them. Seattles defense is for real, this was kind of expected.
A 10 ppr floor looks pretty good though, I have pretty high expectations going forward.
He lost snaps on 3rd downs and in two minute drill offense which was expected to Demercado.His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time
53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.
His early down work was 33 out of 38 plays, and the OC failed to properly utilize him. Gained 4.4 YPC vs a stout run D.
I mean...it's one game.He lost snaps on 3rd downs and in two minute drill offense which was expected to Demercado.His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time
53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.
His early down work was 33 out of 38 plays, and the OC failed to properly utilize him. Gained 4.4 YPC vs a stout run D.
Though part of the problem is he was the one getting those 3rd down snaps and 2 minute drill offense before, and those are very valuable snaps for fantasy.
Adding early down work to that role would make him a strong fantasy player and is what I think most people were hoping for. Getting early down work but losing very high value fantasy snaps in exchange for it is still an upgrade, but not as much of one as people were probably hoping for.
Benson was already matching Conner in fantasy production this year as the spell/3rd down back. So just flipping from that role to Conner's 2025 role isn't a huge upgrade.
Given Benson had been looking good, has a good skillset for 3rd down work, and the dearth of other options on the team, people were hoping Benson would get Conner's 2024 role where he got the early down work AND the passing down work.
I mean...it's one game.He lost snaps on 3rd downs and in two minute drill offense which was expected to Demercado.His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time
53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.
His early down work was 33 out of 38 plays, and the OC failed to properly utilize him. Gained 4.4 YPC vs a stout run D.
Though part of the problem is he was the one getting those 3rd down snaps and 2 minute drill offense before, and those are very valuable snaps for fantasy.
Adding early down work to that role would make him a strong fantasy player and is what I think most people were hoping for. Getting early down work but losing very high value fantasy snaps in exchange for it is still an upgrade, but not as much of one as people were probably hoping for.
Benson was already matching Conner in fantasy production this year as the spell/3rd down back. So just flipping from that role to Conner's 2025 role isn't a huge upgrade.
Given Benson had been looking good, has a good skillset for 3rd down work, and the dearth of other options on the team, people were hoping Benson would get Conner's 2024 role where he got the early down work AND the passing down work.
I've got to think that if the coaching staff believes it's in their best interests to give Benson more of those touches...especially if they can't beat good teams...maybe they will as the season goes on.
They could also just be thinking let's not dump EVERYTHING on the kid immediately.
Just don't think one game is predictive on how it will go the rest of the season.
Good points but I also want to point something out and that's the schedule moving forwardI think you have to set expectations where they should be. Benson isn't an elite back but he will be getting a very nice share of carries.
Last night is Bensons floor. The Cards offense was out of sorts and a big part of that was Seattle's D.
I would expect much better moving forward. Demarcado isn't going away completely but Benson looks to get the lions share moving forward until/if he messes that up. It does look like Demarcado is getting the 2 minute runs.
His value went up because people were expecting/hoping he would get both.
Because he's SHORT.This is starting to look like a bad investment. Seahawks stacking the box because Murray isn’t effective.
Aint readinallatWhatever you say bud. I disagree with just about everything you've said here including Conner being volume based considering he's averaged RB13 finish across the past four seasons and done so despite only averaging 200 rushes a season. You are just throwing out stuff as fact but providing nothing to actually back it up. And it's not that important to me to spend time putting together numbers that easily dismiss the stuff you're just throwing at the wall; especially when you just hand wave the data away with some logical fallacy or misdirection which doesn't even pertain to what everyone else in the thread is talking about. It's like talking to a wall. Believe whatever you want. When Demarcado finishes with close to the same fantasy numbers as Benson feel free to come back and tag me. I'll wait with bated breath. And if your reply is "but that's not what I'm saying"; then what are you saying? Because that's what we are talking about here; projecting Bensons usage and fantasy scoring ROS and comping it to both Conner and Demarcado. Either snap rate is irrelevant/at best a correlation that's not actually linked to causation; or it is and you're trying to insinuate Demarcado is going to majorly eat into Bensons production and wind up splitting the workload with him. Or... you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and have literally no point.I'd strongly disagree that snap rate is more important that actual touches for fantasy RBs. Kind of wild to even suggest IMO unless you're just trying to be "right" for the sake of being right. And I'm not manipulating numbers lol. I put exactly what their carry and pass target numbers were for the game. Seems relevant as it's directly correlated to opportunities to score fantasy points. Unlike snaps. Which could just be them standing next to the QB and blocking.13 touches and targets for BensonHis own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time
53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.
4 touches and targets for Demarcado
Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.
I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.
Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.
This is the exact opposite of how it works. A players usage can fluctuate in any given game, but unless they get hurt teams have an idea how much they want a certain player to play.
So if he averages 30 plays a game roughly, some weeks he will see 12 attempts in those 30 plays and some weeks he might only see six. Now if he plays 50 plays a game his floor goes higher. Being on the field more leads to more touches and as I said it was only one week.
That's a low barShame about his usage, as he was the best player on the field for the Cards for most of that game.
Shame about his usage, as he was the best player on the field for the Cards for most of that game.
Eh, he had an ok game. Benson was churning out big gains. He’d bust a run for 8 then the cards would have collective amnesia & do anything but run again.somewhere McBride is shaking his head at you![]()
Trey Benson rushed eight times for 35 yards in the Cardinals’ Week 4 loss to the Seahawks, adding five receptions for 19 yards.
Oh dear. Obviously not what you were signing up for if you paid a pretty FAAB penny for Benson following James Conner’s season-ending ankle injury, but Benson did have poor game flow to contend with. The Cards were down 14-3 at halftime following a host of miscues in the passing game. More concerning was the feared immediate re-emergence of Emari Demercado as a passing-down complement/two-minute drill back. Demercado handled just four touches, but one of them was a seven-yard touchdown reception with 0:28 remaining. It’s not surprising the Cards’ backfield looked a little different tonight than it did following Conner’s Week 3 injury — coaches always change it up with they actually have time to game plan — but this was still on the poorer end of the most likely outcomes. They now have 10 days to mull things over before a soft Week 5 date with the Titans. Benson will remain in the RB2 mix for that one, especially with bye weeks beginning.
- Rotoworld
Trey Benson leads the Cardinals' backfield: Benson played the vast majority of the snaps on early downs without James Conner.
The Cardinals started the season with Conner as their lead back, as they’ve done each of the last four seasons. Benson was cutting into his playing time on early downs more than last year, while Benson had overtaken Emari Demercado as the third-down back and two-minute drill back. However, Conner suffered a season-ending foot injury last week. Immediately after the injury, Benson stepped up as the early-down back, while Demercado jumped back into his third-down role.
Thursday night, the Cardinals continued what they started at the end of last week. Benson was the early-down back, and Demercado was the third-down back. Demercado also took the two-minute drill. He only played in 45% of the two-minute drills last season, so it wouldn’t be surprising if he and Benson split those over the rest of the season. Arizona had Bam Knight as the fourth running back on the roster, but the Cardinals elevated Michael Carter from the practice squad. Carter ended up being the primary backup on early downs.
This ultimately left Benson playing a role similar to Conner when he was at his best last season. As last season progressed, Benson got more involved, but he doesn’t have anyone looking over his shoulder like Conner had with Benson. The Cardinals' game plan was to focus on the passing game early, but they fell behind, leading them also to pass frequently late in the game. This didn’t leave Benson with as many touches as some fantasy managers would have liked. However, Benson’s utilization suggests he should have several big games over the rest of the season. If anything, he is a buy-low option.
Eh, he had an ok game. Benson was churning out big gains. He’d bust a run for 8 then the cards would have collective amnesia & do anything but run again.somewhere McBride is shaking his head at you![]()
If he scored a TD there'd be no conversation.Eh, he had an ok game. Benson was churning out big gains. He’d bust a run for 8 then the cards would have collective amnesia & do anything but run again.somewhere McBride is shaking his head at you![]()
13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
I have no idea what this has to do with my post, as I said nothing remotely of the sort.I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
If he averages a touchdown a week you are right. Remind me who scored the last touchdown? Because in years past Connors was on the field for that play.If he scored a TD there'd be no conversation.Eh, he had an ok game. Benson was churning out big gains. He’d bust a run for 8 then the cards would have collective amnesia & do anything but run again.somewhere McBride is shaking his head at you![]()
13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
Conner was saving each of his days with a TD. He did pretty much jack otherwise too.
Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
I have no idea what this has to do with my post, as I said nothing remotely of the sort.I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
I’m talking about football observations, not fantasy football points.Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
I have no idea what this has to do with my post, as I said nothing remotely of the sort.I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
I watched the game he had a couple of nice gains, but you don't get points because you should have gotten the ball more. Big runs are 10 plus yards. He had one and 5 catches for almost nothing.
I’m talking about football observations, not fantasy football points.Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
I have no idea what this has to do with my post, as I said nothing remotely of the sort.I still can't believe we think 10 ppr points per game is his floor. That would put him as a top 12 back rest of season. Connor never has done that with the Cardinals while receiving bell cow workload.
I watched the game he had a couple of nice gains, but you don't get points because you should have gotten the ball more. Big runs are 10 plus yards. He had one and 5 catches for almost nothing.
My point was he should have had more touches. He should have been used as a receiver more. Every time it looked like they started to get the ground game going, they abandoned it for some terribly designed/ineffective play instead.
I wouldn’t at all be shocked if they watched that game film & committed more to the run. It’s either that or commit more to losing football games.
I saw a few - he had a nice 12 yard carry in the 1st quarter, 2nd drive, followed by a reception for 4. And then Murray dinked and dunked twice, and a false start left them with a FG opp.Okay, but where in all that was he churning out big plays. He had one.
On both the 12 yard gain & the 8 yard gain he looked solid to me. Showed burst, vision, and power. Quicks, too.He looked decent to me. He didn't jump off the screen as the best player on the field.
I saw a few - he had a nice 12 yard carry in the 1st quarter, 2nd drive, followed by a reception for 4. And then Murray dinked and dunked twice, and a false start left them with a FG opp.Okay, but where in all that was he churning out big plays. He had one.
2nd quarter, 1st play of the drive Benson broke loose for 8. At that point he had like 23 yards on 3 carries, and 4 on a reception.
They proceeded to dunk and dunk, then got a chunk play, then the fateful Int to Ernest Jones.
He only touched the ball 2-3 more times the entire game.
On both the 12 yard gain & the 8 yard gain he looked solid to me. Showed burst, vision, and power. Quicks, too.He looked decent to me. He didn't jump off the screen as the best player on the field.
Not saying he’s the next LT2. All I’m saying is he should have been utilized more. When you have an unreliable QB, maybe take some pressure off with a good run game. Benson looked plenty capable to me.
Eh. We can agree to disagree. I’m not saying Benson is special but if he get’s 20+ touches he’s going to be a fine RB for FF.Benson didn't give me that vibe yesterday.
Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
Seahawks D isn't one I'm expecting to let RB 2's run wild onDid you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
4 yards per carry, 54 total, .... that's not extremely anywhere in the NFL RB world
Eh. We can agree to disagree. I’m not saying Benson is special but if he get’s 20+ touches he’s going to be a fine RB for FF.Benson didn't give me that vibe yesterday.
In the same game K9 averaged 4.3 YPC to Benson's 4.4 YPC, difference being one had 19 carries while the other 8. The issue here is strictly about volume. We don't know what he could have done with the same number of carries.Did you watch the game? He was extremely effective. It is not Benson’s fault they kept abandoning the run & not converting.13 touches for 54 yards isn't churning out big plays.
Due respect, this post sounds like someone who watched the box score and not the player.
4 yards per carry, 54 total, .... that's not extremely anywhere in the NFL RB world
I would agree with this just based off of usage alone since Petzing is not a good OC, but I still believe Benson adds an explosive element to the run game they lacked before. His main problem will be trying to maximize the limited opportunities given by the genius calling the plays.Eh. We can agree to disagree. I’m not saying Benson is special but if he get’s 20+ touches he’s going to be a fine RB for FF.Benson didn't give me that vibe yesterday.
I guess that is where we disagree. Only a handful of rbs average 20+ game and Benson doesn't look like one of those guys. The Cardinals didn't let Connor average that. He will be fine as a low end rb2 and flex, but I am not seeing the 10 ppr point floor top 12 guy a lot of people are seeing.
Eh. We can agree to disagree. I’m not saying Benson is special but if he get’s 20+ touches he’s going to be a fine RB for FF.Benson didn't give me that vibe yesterday.
I agree that is more explosive than Connor, but I think Connor's experience and usage is going to out weigh the extra gear that Benson has over Conner.I would agree with this just based off of usage alone since Petzing is not a good OC, but I still believe Benson adds an explosive element to the run game they lacked before. His main problem will be trying to maximize the limited opportunities given by the genius calling the plays.Eh. We can agree to disagree. I’m not saying Benson is special but if he get’s 20+ touches he’s going to be a fine RB for FF.Benson didn't give me that vibe yesterday.
I guess that is where we disagree. Only a handful of rbs average 20+ game and Benson doesn't look like one of those guys. The Cardinals didn't let Connor average that. He will be fine as a low end rb2 and flex, but I am not seeing the 10 ppr point floor top 12 guy a lot of people are seeing.
Yep. Them being comfortable leaning on Connor compared to Benson outweighs most intangibles. I'm heavily invested and hopeful in Benson, but I think your absolutely correct. Maybe as we move forward they become more and more comfortable. Benson is a big guy with speed. He needs experience now. Not a bad first game as lead back where the offense played so abysmal for most of the game.I agree that is more explosive than Connor, but I think Connor's experience and usage is going to out weigh the extra gear that Benson has over Conner.
Yep. Them being comfortable leaning on Connor compared to Benson outweighs most intangibles. I'm heavily invested and hopeful in Benson, but I think your absolutely correct. Maybe as we move forward they become more and more comfortable. Benson is a big guy with speed. He needs experience now. Not a bad first game as lead back where the offense played so abysmal for most of the game.I agree that is more explosive than Connor, but I think Connor's experience and usage is going to out weigh the extra gear that Benson has over Conner.
Yep. Them being comfortable leaning on Connor compared to Benson outweighs most intangibles. I'm heavily invested and hopeful in Benson, but I think your absolutely correct. Maybe as we move forward they become more and more comfortable. Benson is a big guy with speed. He needs experience now. Not a bad first game as lead back where the offense played so abysmal for most of the game.I agree that is more explosive than Connor, but I think Connor's experience and usage is going to out weigh the extra gear that Benson has over Conner.
D'Ernest Johnson signed to practice squadMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
Connor got hurt on a Sunday, and the Cards had a quick turnaround to Thursday night. No time to sign new players and integrate them.D'Ernest Johnson signed to practice squadMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
I like it. Let’s keep this energy!Connor got hurt on a Sunday, and the Cards had a quick turnaround to Thursday night. No time to sign new players and integrate them.D'Ernest Johnson signed to practice squadMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
Carter was active Thursday. These signings are to replace Connor's roster spot.
I'll wait for some official word other than "didn't practice Monday" before I panic.
I'm good with thatConnor got hurt on a Sunday, and the Cards had a quick turnaround to Thursday night. No time to sign new players and integrate them.D'Ernest Johnson signed to practice squadMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
Carter was active Thursday. These signings are to replace Connor's roster spot.
I'll wait for some official word other than "didn't practice Monday" before I panic.
He was active last weekMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
Michael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
You're being kind on the bolded. It's pure drivel to state he will get 35-40 percent of the production that Conner had. I love Conner and all, but pleasei didnt read that. with due respect, your 35%-40% comment is a bit odd. and i don't own a bit of Benson.got it. benson is guaranteed going forward. readies pen and notebook....
One carry for one yardMichael Carter signed to active roster. This stinks to high heaven.
I thought Carter had a few touches on TNF, no? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.