ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Very few team rushing attempts this week, but got the TD to salvage his day. Feels like a riskier play next week for anyone still alive. I may not have a better option in a start-2+ RB league.
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RB Ty Chandler, MIN (1 Viewer)
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Moonlight
Footballguy
Less risk going against a bottom run D in GB than the top run D in Detroit. The risk is centered on how much Mattison plays.
Playing at home and thinking that the Vikes might like to limit Wild Man Mullans down field shots makes Chandler a better play if he holds off Mattison.
Playing at home and thinking that the Vikes might like to limit Wild Man Mullans down field shots makes Chandler a better play if he holds off Mattison.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
On one hand it’s a very weak RB draft class but on the other hand it’s a loaded RB FA class so I think it’s 50/50.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I think 60/40 but certainly competition. Vikings have holes
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Vikings have no money for FA RBs
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Internet has them middle of the road in cap space for next year so I assumed they were in decent shape.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
well I'm sure they are going to have to spend a majority of whatever cap they do have on a QB, whether its Cousins or another FA QB. That has to be the biggest priority you'd think.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
And Jefferson will need a deal very soon
I think they are fine on cap space even with need to sign a QB.
They may not be able to, or want to, shop at the top of the RB market but someone like Montgomery came with a cap charge this year of less then $3M, and frankly I don't think the RB market improved their value since most the top paid RB's last year via FA signing or getting tagged did not do so well.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Vikings are 'really, really excited' about Ty Chandler
"I love where Ty is at. Going to be a big offseason for him. Really, really excited about Ty."
For now Chandler is all they got.
Expect the Vikings to add 2 RB in free agency or draft.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
They also have McBride who they bothered to spend a draft pick on last year and have signed to a futures contract. Probably a nobody but had some mega production in college and was quite well thought of pre draft last year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
They do but he couldn't even make the active roster last year and they were scrounging for RBs.
zamboni
Footballguy
Lot of nice comments in that article from O'Connell, but the key is whether he's excited enough to give him 15-20 touches a game or just 5-8. What they do in free agency in a few weeks will probably go a long way towards answering that.The Vikings are 'really, really excited' about Ty Chandler
"I love where Ty is at. Going to be a big offseason for him. Really, really excited about Ty."www.si.com
For now Chandler is all they got.
Expect the Vikings to add 2 RB in free agency or draft.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah well so far Chandler has been their hand picked guy.Lot of nice comments in that article from O'Connell, but the key is whether he's excited enough to give him 15-20 touches a game or just 5-8. What they do in free agency in a few weeks will probably go a long way towards answering that.The Vikings are 'really, really excited' about Ty Chandler
"I love where Ty is at. Going to be a big offseason for him. Really, really excited about Ty."
For now Chandler is all they got.
Expect the Vikings to add 2 RB in free agency or draft.
So was McBride though and the decision to make Mattison the starter after observing him for a whole year.
They need 2 more RB. They won't invest much though so Chandler will get his shot to be the guy.
zamboni
Footballguy
I can see that, although with the glut of FA RBs, they might not need to invest much and still get a high quality addition that would dent Chandler's upside.Yeah well so far Chandler has been their hand picked guy.Lot of nice comments in that article from O'Connell, but the key is whether he's excited enough to give him 15-20 touches a game or just 5-8. What they do in free agency in a few weeks will probably go a long way towards answering that.The Vikings are 'really, really excited' about Ty Chandler
"I love where Ty is at. Going to be a big offseason for him. Really, really excited about Ty."
For now Chandler is all they got.
Expect the Vikings to add 2 RB in free agency or draft.
So was McBride though and the decision to make Mattison the starter after observing him for a whole year.
They need 2 more RB. They won't invest much though so Chandler will get his shot to be the guy.
ZacSr
Footballguy
ZacSr
Footballguy
When that happens, then the situation will change. But for now, Chandler is the best
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would sell Chandler for a 2nd round rookie pick in a standard dynasty league and not think twice about it.When that happens, then the situation will change. But for now, Chandler is the best
ZacSr
Footballguy
It's your choice. It would be interesting to see the result.I would sell Chandler for a 2nd round rookie pick in a standard dynasty league and not think twice about it.When that happens, then the situation will change. But for now, Chandler is the best
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The way I look at it is this, even if Chandler stays their starter, how long will that last? I like Chandler, but I don't love him and make no mistake about it he is replaceable. Getting a 2nd round rookie pick for him now is maximizing his value in my mind. Of course someone will be dumb enough to trade a 1st, but that is an outlier.It's your choice. It would be interesting to see the result.I would sell Chandler for a 2nd round rookie pick in a standard dynasty league and not think twice about it.When that happens, then the situation will change. But for now, Chandler is the best
ZacSr
Footballguy
Maybe it makes sense to keep him in the starter a little longer?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
What does "a little longer" really mean in the NFL? My guess is that one season or less constitutes "a little longer" in a lot of cases. Just ask Alexander Mattison.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
That's possible.I can see that, although with the glut of FA RBs, they might not need to invest much and still get a high quality addition that would dent Chandler's upside.Yeah well so far Chandler has been their hand picked guy.Lot of nice comments in that article from O'Connell, but the key is whether he's excited enough to give him 15-20 touches a game or just 5-8. What they do in free agency in a few weeks will probably go a long way towards answering that.The Vikings are 'really, really excited' about Ty Chandler
"I love where Ty is at. Going to be a big offseason for him. Really, really excited about Ty."
For now Chandler is all they got.
Expect the Vikings to add 2 RB in free agency or draft.
So was McBride though and the decision to make Mattison the starter after observing him for a whole year.
They need 2 more RB. They won't invest much though so Chandler will get his shot to be the guy.
I don't expect the Vikings to use a draft pick higher than a 5th where Chandler was drafted. If they do you have to give that player a serious look as that may be a case of the Vikings really liking that RB. Otherwise they would pass, it's not a priority for them.
100% agree. Chandler is a deal sweetener or a guy to deal for a 2nd rounder. No reason to think the day 3 draft pick going into year 3, is anything special. Also think he benefitted from having fresh legs late in the season, dude had 49 carries until the last month of the season.
Very worried a day 3 pick could absolutely be a major threat to his starting job, as could a cheap lower tier FA like a Zack Moss or Devin Singletary.
Ty Chandler is fast, I'm not sure he brings anything else to the table. COP RB seems like where he belongs.
I'd pass no matter how much I needed a RB.
I know KOC talked him up the other day but I believe his biggest frustration on the offensive side of the ball since he took the job has been the lack of a strong consistent running game. Chandler finished the year ok but I don't think that the Vikings have reached a point where they think the answer they've been seeking was always right under their nose.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Everything they have done including offensive line decisions has been to improve their passing game at expense of their ability to run the ball.
The switch from Cleveland to Risner at left guard is anther example. Cleveland grades better by pff in run blocking than Risner and the reverse of that.
What has held Chandler back was pass blocking. It all points in the same direction.
So any frustrations of the coach he has to realize is partly because of the choices they have made as well.
They threw $21m at Josh Oliver to try and help improve the running game.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think the joke is on you.
*https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news...osh-oliver-elite-blocking-te-adds-versatility
* (this was before they signed him)
Pro Football Focus ranked Oliver as the best run-blocking tight end with at least 150 run-blocking snaps, a cohort of 69 eligible players.
His rate of positive run blocks, 15.3%, paced the rest of the field. George Kittle’s 10.9% ranked a distant second.
*I don't have PFF but found this article for how he was doing 6 weeks after they signed him.
Through the season's first six weeks, analytics site Pro Football Focus has Oliver ranked second overall in blocking among tight ends with a PFF grade of 85.3. His grade of 88.8 in the run game ranks No. 1 overall; San Francisco's George Kittle is next with an 80.1
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
PFF often comes up with weird stats that just do not add up to the naked eye. I am not saying this is one of those instances, but I would be very hesitant to use their info to support a debate. Here are some recent examples I pulled from Reddit:
QB
I can't help but think of a quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
QB
- Geno Smith is still the highest graded QB on PFF. His 90.2 overall grade is higher than 2nd place Josh Allen's 87.5, and his 87.9 passing grade is a full 5.7 points higher than the 2nd place passing grade of Mahomes. He's tied with Nick Chubb for the 3rd highest graded offensive behind only Lindstrom and Andrew Thomas. Overall he's in a 3 way tie with Chubb and Wagner for 13th highest graded player overall.
- The top 10 QBs: Smith, Allen, Mahomes, Hurts, Dalton, Tua, Brissett, Zach Wilson, Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson. Bailey Zappe has the 9th highest passing grade, and Dalton the 4th.
- Jacoby Meyers and Randall Cobb are the 5th and 6th highest graded receivers.
- Patriots have two top 10 RBs (3 and 10), and the Falcons have 8 and 14. All of which are graded higher than Dalvin Cook.
- Daniel Bellinger is TE 4 behind only Nkjoku, Andrews, and Kelce.
- The Raiders have TE8 and it's not Waller (TE 25, behind many team's backups including the Giants).
- The Seahawks have 3 TEs in the top 12, and number 12 is Fant.
I can't help but think of a quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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steelcityman
Footballguy
Does McBride have a new lifeline now in Minn?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Probably not, but why not stash until you have to make room for your rookie picks
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
Does Cam Akers reemerge and impact the scenario?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He's probably as done as Marlon Mack, but you never know. They probably will cut him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
After a 2nd Achilles injury that seems unlikely.
He is a RFA so the Vikings could tender him I suppose? He has no contract right now.
BigJim®
Footballguy
They’d already paid Mattison starter $ so he wasn’t going to play much without injury or prolonged performance issues. I’m not sure how to think about the Akers trade. Seems like a bad sign, but how could KOC pass on a late 2026 draft swap for an impact guy he’d already coached?
I’m optimistic for 2024. Cutting Mattison for very little cap benefit I think shows they feel good with him in the mix of whatever.
I think between the dropped passes, fumbling, and inefficiency running the ball, one could easily argue Mattison’s entire season was a prolonged performance issue.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Agreed. Mattison stunk last year and the team stuck with him way too long.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think we’ve probably seen the last of Akers. 2 achilles injuries, team that drafted him has given up on him and he’s had multiple issues with his coach. He’s one big red flag.
joey
Footballguy
Yeah, he was a freebie end of season pick up and IR stash for me in one FFPC league who is at the very edge of my entire bench. Something literally magical would need to happen between now and cut down to even make him close to keepable at this point.
(Note to the other FGBs in that FFPC league, Akers is avaiable for cheap
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Penguin
Footballguy
2028 8th rounder coming to you shortlyYeah, he was a freebie end of season pick up and IR stash for me in one FFPC league who is at the very edge of my entire bench. Something literally magical would need to happen between now and cut down to even make him close to keepable at this point.
(Note to the other FGBs in that FFPC league, Akers is avaiable for cheap
