Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Cut him loose in FFPC, can't see ever starting him this season.
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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
A bit soon I think MOP. Patterson actually had a chance to score on his one target of the game which he did catch.
While the Bears have a improved offense that will be quite a challenge as well. If the Vikings can get their run game going I do not see the defense being on the field quite this much. Perhaps this is me with purple glasses on but the team seems much hungrier now than it did all preseason and perhaps into game one as well, they seemed to be going through the motions.
The Vikings were a hungry team last season. I am starting to hear some of that spirit again. Being embarrassed does that.
I do not know what was up with him not getting many snaps. But the coaches said they had plays planned for him, they just didn't get to run enough plays.
You do realize that the Lions ran 77 offensive plays right?
While the Bears have a improved offense that will be quite a challenge as well. If the Vikings can get their run game going I do not see the defense being on the field quite this much. Perhaps this is me with purple glasses on but the team seems much hungrier now than it did all preseason and perhaps into game one as well, they seemed to be going through the motions.
The Vikings were a hungry team last season. I am starting to hear some of that spirit again. Being embarrassed does that.
I do not know what was up with him not getting many snaps. But the coaches said they had plays planned for him, they just didn't get to run enough plays.
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I cut him to make room for another player. While I think he may do OK (I'll keep and eye on him on the wire), he does have Ponder throwing to him. With Jennings and Simpson ahead of him...not sure if that offense throws enough to warrant a roster spot for him on my team right now.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Same here, chopped Patterson for Andre Roberts in a redraft. If I'm going to have a WR3 I'd rather have the one with the better QB and better offense, and one that actually plays.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Roberts is a veteran in a much better situation. Not sure why you would have had Patterson over someone like him in redraft ever. Good move.
That said I do not expect the Vikings to try the Bears downfield as much as they did the Lions. The Bears are better overall defense I think, but if they are soft it is on the line or linebackers. So besides running a ton, Which the Vikings will always try to do, while the Cardinals will not, I also see them trying to get the ball to receivers in space and more screen game. So Patterson may be more involved.
Dynasty I likely would have Patterson higher than Roberts, but it is close enough that I am not entirely sure.
That said I do not expect the Vikings to try the Bears downfield as much as they did the Lions. The Bears are better overall defense I think, but if they are soft it is on the line or linebackers. So besides running a ton, Which the Vikings will always try to do, while the Cardinals will not, I also see them trying to get the ball to receivers in space and more screen game. So Patterson may be more involved.
Dynasty I likely would have Patterson higher than Roberts, but it is close enough that I am not entirely sure.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Bob,
Are you trying to say rookie WR do not have a very good track record of instantly producing?
I seem to recall hearing this somewhere before.. like 25 or so years ago (and every season after).. I think it was on a FF rule of thumb list, but I could be wrong.
Of course there are exceptions, such as Quan. But yeah generally rookie WR do not produce right away. If they do in their rookie season it usually takes awhile.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
it was more addressed to the i told you so crowd after ONE GAME! 
hey, i like him better in dynasty than redraft...
just think it is a bit early to bury his chances for this season...
and i do think there were far better redraft options at the position...
but in deeper leagues, he may be worth rostering at end of bench...
hey, i like him better in dynasty than redraft...
just think it is a bit early to bury his chances for this season...
and i do think there were far better redraft options at the position...
but in deeper leagues, he may be worth rostering at end of bench...
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes if only a season were only one game long these folks would look like genius! Well maybe not..
I do think as the league has become more pass oriented that more opportunity has become available to rookie WR in years past, but generally it does take them at least a few games before they become aclimated enough to make significant contributions to their offenses. And that is on well established passing teams, which the Vikings certainly are not.
I do think as the league has become more pass oriented that more opportunity has become available to rookie WR in years past, but generally it does take them at least a few games before they become aclimated enough to make significant contributions to their offenses. And that is on well established passing teams, which the Vikings certainly are not.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Unfortunately, it's about the only way he's going to be able to score this season (at least with Ponder at QB).
Vikings need to let this kid play. If he's not seeing significant playing time by mid-season, Leslie Frazier needs to be fired.
Let the kid play, he's electric. Teams will have to scheme against him, he's a man among boys.
That speed and quicks at 6,3 is unfair. Jairus Wright getting more snaps than him is criminal.
Let the kid play, he's electric. Teams will have to scheme against him, he's a man among boys.
That speed and quicks at 6,3 is unfair. Jairus Wright getting more snaps than him is criminal.
griff321
Footballguy
I disagree, because I feel that Patterson is the kind of player that that could complement Ponder's lack of talent. Get him on short outs, bubble screens, or end arounds, basically high percentage completion plays, and it's obvious to everyone that he has the talent and physical ability to house it. I think it's somewhat of a mystery why the Vikings haven't utilized this obvious asset yet. I do think that time is coming though.
I'd take a chance on the potential of Patterson over an average Joe like Roberts any day.
And If returns yards count it's a blowout.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i actually think roberts has some talent, but his production will be inconsistent, as are pretty much all WR3s...
we agree patterson has a chance to make some noise if he gets the opportunity...
whether he will is the current redraft debate...
below is article that suggests he could be due for an increase of snaps in near future...
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Zulgad_Refusal_to_use_Cordarrelle_Patterson_a_complete_mystery091613
we agree patterson has a chance to make some noise if he gets the opportunity...
whether he will is the current redraft debate...
below is article that suggests he could be due for an increase of snaps in near future...
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Zulgad_Refusal_to_use_Cordarrelle_Patterson_a_complete_mystery091613
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Bob Magaw said:
I love the kid in dynasty but if he see's an uptick in playing time and targets this week I'm probably going to be looking to grab him in redraft leagues.Yeah I get the feeling it's coming and he'll start to be worked in a lot. I'd be looking to trade for him in redraft if he's rostered, or pick hi up.Bob Magaw said:
Grabbing him this week before it's too late. Could get some targets, rushing attempts and return yardage (he was supposed to replace Harvin) If he doesnt do anything before the bye I'll drop himBob Magaw said:
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Patterson is not Harvin.qimqam said:
I drafted Harvin in a few dynasty leagues that gave points for return yardage. I do not recall him being a must start year one. Year 2 yes. But then I had a lot of other good options besides Harvin.
As a general rule I do not plan on playing rookies at all. Dynasty or redraft. Unless they do so well that I cannot keep them benched anymore.
Andre Roberts is a quality WR in a better situation because of having a better QB (who did not get sacked by Detroit btw woot!) and being on a passing team. That is why I would consider them close. Long term yes I prefer Pattersons talent.
Really glad he scored on the kick off return. However right after this happened.. you could see Hester was steaming on the side lines. I think Patterson having such a good return really motivated Hester, who then proceeded to set a Bears record in return yards.
Patterson is important to the Vikings. They paid a grip for him in terms of draft picks. The Vikings could have used those 2nd and 3rd round picks on defensive back, linebacker or guard. So jury still out on that deal.
At some point he will get more involved in the offense. He has 3 catches on 3 targets. Doing what he can with the limited opportunity presented thus far.
I mean, wouldn't it really just take a hamstring tweak for him to see the field in place of somebody? The Vikings have openly stated they want to get him more involved.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I think you're right. He's going to have a big game at some point this year. Maybe it's on a gadget play or two, but it'll happen. Who knows if he'll repeat it, but he'll be more involved going forward.
Clifford
Footballguy
So nobody thinks he's worth a pickup in redraft? Was interesting to read the bikes say essentially the exact same thing after week 1. Still it's one of those headscratchers. I mean, Jerome Simpson? Like all of a sudden he's going to be a great receiver? Seems like they have to start this kid sooner or later.
Insein
Footballguy
I dropped him to pick up Rainey. Was regretting it thinking someone would grab him. A guy picked up Jerome Simpson instead. Ill probably get him back when Rainey does nothing.
Clifford
Footballguy
But when do you think he'll be startable? Or do you view more of a good longshot hold for a week or two?
I think long shot hold. There's at least reason to think they will get him more involved and if he does something with those touches he could carve out a real role.
I was thinking he's a hold till about week 6 or 7 to see if he can do something. If you can of course. He might be startable in the second half of the year.
People have Vincent Brown, Marlon Brown, guys like that rostered. I don't see why Patterson doesn't have as much upside as those guys in the second half of the year.
I was thinking he's a hold till about week 6 or 7 to see if he can do something. If you can of course. He might be startable in the second half of the year.
People have Vincent Brown, Marlon Brown, guys like that rostered. I don't see why Patterson doesn't have as much upside as those guys in the second half of the year.
eurotrashman
Footballguy
Ponder is bad, but he's not Blaine Gabbert. Those other guys are nothing more than high risk flex plays - don't see why Patterson can't be that in a few weeks.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Your'e right. Ponder has never made a WR fantasy relevant.
Ghost Shark
Footballguy
Does anyone else consider Cordarrelle a good preemptive pick-up/stash this week? It pains me to say this but I think Matt Cassel is probably an upgrade over Ponder. At the very least, he should throw downfield more than Ponder. Cordarrelle is an explosive WR and I wouldn't be surprised to see things start clicking for him on Sunday.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
I think he's a good stash regardless of the QB situation. There really isn't a better WR stash in terms of upside for the second half of the season IMO.
Garrett
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Wouldn't mind stashing him in redraft, but just can't justify it with short benches.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I'm starting him today - short bench league but don't want to drop him for someone with a better matchup (ie Donnie Avery). He gets a little bump in my league since return yards are worth half as many points as receiving yards but 0.5ppr.
Hoping he breaks one for a return today.
Hoping he breaks one for a return today.
TheLurkerBelow
Footballguy
So what's going on with Cordarelle? I picked him up in one dynasty league, but my biggest fear was that he'd be another Desmond Howard in that he looks like he has the tools, but could end up never being a good wide receiver and is just a great kick returner his whole career. Sure he's just a rookie, but red flags go up for me on rookie WRs who just vanish after the draft. Usually you hear some news, or see them make a few plays on the field, or start to be worked into the gameplan a bit more as the season goes along. With Cordarelle he's been almost invisible at the WR position.
Yes the Minnesota QB play is terrible and that has to contribute to this, but if we look at his peers DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Markus Wheaton, Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, and even Justin Hunter, only Wheaton and Cordarelle have failed to contribute in any way. Tavon hasn't been doing much, but at least you can see he's part of the game plan.
Yes the Minnesota QB play is terrible and that has to contribute to this, but if we look at his peers DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Markus Wheaton, Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, and even Justin Hunter, only Wheaton and Cordarelle have failed to contribute in any way. Tavon hasn't been doing much, but at least you can see he's part of the game plan.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Its odd for sure. What little he's touched the ball on the field this year, he's produced. Looked great almost every touch honestly.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I think this week will tell us a lot about his prospects the rest of the season. If they can't get him more involved coming out of the bye, I think it's clear he still needs work and development, which honestly wouldn't be all that surprising.
I'm a huge believer in dynasty - sky is the limit with this kid. But in redraft I need to see the Vikings get him more involved.
I'm a huge believer in dynasty - sky is the limit with this kid. But in redraft I need to see the Vikings get him more involved.
