Warhogs
Footballguy
Huh? If he puts up WR1 statistics for the season isn't he a WR1? Sure his stats might fluctuate more than some others but that statement doesn't make sense.
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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (3 Viewers)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
chickensoup
Footballguy
No one should have drafted him as their teams WR1, even if they thought he would get there (probably low end, right around WR12). His targets are going to be low, his RZ usage will be low. His upside weekly is high though. His damage is primarily going to come in his combined yardage and long TD.
Saying he is a WR1 because his end of year stats say he was is like saying Chris Johnson was a legit RB1 last year. It's about confidence in them putting up elite numbers weekly. I'm not confident CP can put up those numbers weekly because of his targets and RZ usage.
Warhogs
Footballguy
So you are saying that if you could look into a crystal ball and CP was going to finish as WR10 but have a lot of ups and downs you would rather take the guy who finished at WR15 but was more consistent? OK. I would rather have the guy who scored the most points at the end of the year.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Again, people are overlooking just how often even the tier 1 WRs have "weeks like these".
Dez and Demaryius each had one in week 1. Demaryius barely has 100 yards on the season so far. AJ Green put up a zero this week. Calvin and Dez each had 5 games last year (1/3rd of their starts) where they put up less than 50 yards with no TDs, something Patterson still hasn't done going back his last half season's worth of starts.
Dez and Demaryius each had one in week 1. Demaryius barely has 100 yards on the season so far. AJ Green put up a zero this week. Calvin and Dez each had 5 games last year (1/3rd of their starts) where they put up less than 50 yards with no TDs, something Patterson still hasn't done going back his last half season's worth of starts.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Like I said before, boom or bust. There are going to be a LOT of weeks like the for CP owners. Get used to it.
chickensoup
Footballguy
No, I mean going into the year a guy who will get low targets and little redbone opportunities is a guy I'm not predicting to be a WR1. His touches will be in line on most weeks, but running and catching are 2 different beasts because of TDs.
I doubt many put him in their top 12 to start the year, and even those who did it was very low end where 12-18ish are very close. If I had gone RB/RB there's no way I could put a guy reliant on long runs/YAC to get yardage fits as your WR1. I'd go the safer route.
My point on the him being a year end WR1 akin to CJ being a RB1 is that end of year stats are unpredictable. His consistency will not be there and it's hard to say he would be top 12 when drafts happen. I say it's possible he gets there, he has the talent. But I wound still not take him as a WR1 next year based off of it
Yenrub
Footballguy
Last season Megatron was the #1 WR in my standard scoring league
He scored single digits in weeks 1, 5 (DNP), 6, 14 and 16
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well - receiver is high variance and even the very best guys are going to have some 40-60 yard, no TD games each year. Hopefully he can get 3-5 carries a game more often to further stabilize his floor. If this is as bad as it gets with Patterson I am thrilled.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
He led the team in targets in yesterday with 7... many of which were uncatchable. Cassell looked absolutely terrible, it could be Teddy Time very soon. Teddy would be a good reason to bump Cordarrell if you ask me... anyone would compared to that Cassell.
It was most definitely a weak fantasy day for Cordarrell, but rewatching his targets, there is plenty of reason for optimism.
It was most definitely a weak fantasy day for Cordarrell, but rewatching his targets, there is plenty of reason for optimism.
Milkman
Footballguy
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Full disclosure: this was the first game I've watched him play. I too think that you are probably seeing his floor with yesterday's performance. Yes, there will probably be at least one game this year with only 20-30 yds receiving, but every WR #1 will do that. Biggest knock I can make on him is his route running needs polished, especially when working against press coverage and getting back into his route more quickly. I think he should overcome this with another year or so. Dez and Julio had the same knock against them their first couple years and have adjusted fine.
If you really want to nit-pick on yesterdays game, he could have caught the ball where he didn't get both feet in bounds. Cassell missed him wide open, but If you watch it over again, he attempts to catch the ball against his body which forced him to jump and lost any opportunity to extend and drag his feet. He should have extended and tried to catch with his hands. Again, it's petty and still not a given that he would have made the catch, but would have at least given him a chance.
If you really want to nit-pick on yesterdays game, he could have caught the ball where he didn't get both feet in bounds. Cassell missed him wide open, but If you watch it over again, he attempts to catch the ball against his body which forced him to jump and lost any opportunity to extend and drag his feet. He should have extended and tried to catch with his hands. Again, it's petty and still not a given that he would have made the catch, but would have at least given him a chance.
BoomGoesTheDynamite
Footballguy
10th ranked WR so far this year in my 1/2 PPR league and thats coming off a down game. Care to share your predictions for the season?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
What are your weekly expectations of a 4th round WR? For reference, here are the games so far by WRs with ADP in the 4th round this year other than Patterson.
77yds, 0 TD
12yds, 0 TD
37yds, 0 TD
55yds, 0 TD
22yds, 0 TD
51yds, 0 TD
72yds, 1 TD
42yds, 0 TD
93yds, 0 TD
74yds, 0 TD
How often do you think 4th round WRs are putting up 100yds and a TD? This year in 10 games from 4th round WRs (other than Patterson) there is one combined TD and zero combined 100 yard games. 6 out of 10 were worse than Patterson's 56/0 and 10 out of 10 were worse than Patterson's week 1. Out of 12 total games from 4th round WRs counting Patterson, he has put up the 1st and 6th best scores. How exactly is that "below 4th round expectations"?
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
He was pretty consistent once he was featured more in the last five games as a rookie.
When I looked at a 1/2 point PPR league, when his usage changed and he was featured more in his last five games as a rookie last season, he scored 9.6, 25.2, 13.5, 13.7 and 21.5, for a 16.7 PPG average. Does that look like a boom or bust distribution? That was top 10 in that format, for that time frame, higher than Antonio Brown, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, Vincent Jackson, etc. Than he was top 5 week 1 in 2014 with 22.3 points. Even in week 2, he was within a point of WRs like Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, Victor Cruz and Keenan Allen.
What are expectations for a 4th rounder? Did Patterson fall short of them, in the last five games of 2013 and first game of 2014, in 75% or more of those starts (the ratio you are predicting)? Was starting him in that stretch "gruelling", when he was the only skill player in the league to score at least 1 TD in six straight games?
Maybe he will be inconsistent in the future and disappoint the expectations of a comparable fourth round WR? But it would have been just as fair and accurate to say in the previous six games, get used to consistent production. It is at least as likely that Peterson being out and Cassel having 4 INTs contributed to his muted scoring, and week 2 was an aberration on that basis (NOT the best basis on which to claim I told you he is going to be inconsistent).
Of course there is some risk in taking a young, high upside player over some of the older, more established options. But there is also risk in not taking him, if he fulfills his potential. If so, you may be getting used to him putting up production better than expectations based on comparable round 4 WRs, more consistently than a 25% or worse ratio (range of 2/16-4/16 games), as you have speculated.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think you need a little of both in your lineups but the point with a guy like CP is that he can only help you win one game a week. He will go bonkers and put up 50 points in one week allowing you to crush your opponent by 45 then disappear for 3-4 weeks at a time and if you end up going 1-4 during that stretch because he didn't even provide average stats during his non explosive weeks was he really worth it, even if his year end numbers say he was a #1 WR?
I am a big fan of his but guys like CP are great in total points or best-ball leagues but are less valuable in H2H or All-Play leagues.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I really don't understand how they didn't give him at least one carry. They used him as a decoy on the first drive and it worked well, but you have to give the guy the ball.
Milkman
Footballguy
Man Gordon level is exactly what I need but I don't know. I like Patterson but the year Gordon had was almost unprecedented. Not sure CP=Gordon......
Still I'd happily take 70-1000-9 with some rushing yards and a TD or two sprinkled in. When you add that all up though it's pretty close to Gordon level I guess.....
Still I'd happily take 70-1000-9 with some rushing yards and a TD or two sprinkled in. When you add that all up though it's pretty close to Gordon level I guess.....
Ace zero1
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't really know how we can say this right now. Min simply didn't use Patterson last week that much. They were content to let him be a decoy. They just have to give him the ball more. The fact that he lined up in the backfield 6 times and never touched the ball is asinine.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I'm not going to pretend like I know enough to be an NFL coach, but it just seems obvious to me that CP is a "get the ball in his hands as often as possible" type player. It's still early in the season, and I don't think last week's Game against NE will be the norm.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
The only thing I can figure out is that they knew about his injury and just didn't let anyone know. Otherwise, the coaches should know better...
Faust
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GROOT
Footballguy
Ace zero1
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
1 out of every 4 games will be boom, 3 bust. Good luck figuring out which weeks are boom.
Dude...in ppr 10 pts is an o.k deal. A bust is 7 points or less. 10 - 13 is o.k; 14 - 18 is good; and over 19 is pretty great. By your standards, pretty much everyone except for a chosen few bust out every week. It is not like we took this guy with our 1st or 2nd round pick. He was a 5th rounder on average and is played as a flex in most cases unless you were a moron and took a qb and a te in your first three picks.
Is Andre Johnson a bust? (6 points today) Harvin? (11) Gates (1 frikking point, get rid of him!!!) Ellignton (10 points) Cameron (3) DThomas (9 points) Ball (4 points) McCoy (2 points!!!!!) Watkins (3 points) Jimmy G (11 points) Spiller (8 points) Gronk (13) Stafford (6 points) Lacy (3) Cobb(6) Are all of these guys busts? They were all taken way before CP!!! What about Foster? He didnt even play!!! How about AP?!?!?!
In my league, my team name is 'The Master'. I named it as such because I have won my competitive league pretty much every other year over a 15 year period. Let me assure you of something, CP is what is known as a 'high floor/high ceiling' type of cat...yes he will only score 25 points 1 out of every 4 weeks, but in the other weeks he will score 10 - 15 points at minimum. This dude is going to be a flat out star; to be honest think about what is even going on in Minny....star player disgraced and out for good, major media sh*tstorm, even in these weeks he hits his floor and does not totally screw everybody...once things are stabilized he will be averaging 16 - 20 points a game ppr in Norv's offense.
In my league, my team name is 'The Master'. I named it as such because I have won my competitive league pretty much every other year over a 15 year period. Let me assure you of something, CP is what is known as a 'high floor/high ceiling' type of cat...yes he will only score 25 points 1 out of every 4 weeks, but in the other weeks he will score 10 - 15 points at minimum. This dude is going to be a flat out star; to be honest think about what is even going on in Minny....star player disgraced and out for good, major media sh*tstorm, even in these weeks he hits his floor and does not totally screw everybody...once things are stabilized he will be averaging 16 - 20 points a game ppr in Norv's offense.
Ace zero1
Footballguy
A turd? Wow, you must have an awesome team. Maybe the reason you are bitter is because you are one of those types whose fantasy success relies upon striking gold on your first five picks. Most championship squads are comprised of a mix of hits in all rounds in addition to shrewd pick ups on the ww.
I don;t get how you call CP a turd.
