RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, PIT (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Rotoworld is so funny, hey say Patterson is a stud and T Austin is light years out of fantasy yet both have the same numbers when they play.

At this point I rather Hester

 

[pantherclub]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

You're going to have a hard time finding this thread in week 17.

its going to take him the bulk of the season for him to get revved up? No thanks I will pass.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

As an NFL pass catcher, Patterson averages 3-31 per game, with four whopping touchdown catches in 21 games. So, does averaging, say, 50 yards per game from this point, constitute "breaking out?"

 

[rickyg]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

As an NFL pass catcher, Patterson averages 3-31 per game, with four whopping touchdown catches in 21 games. So, does averaging, say, 50 yards per game from this point, constitute "breaking out?"

Really, no more needs to be said on the topic. He's either going to post some stats or he isn't. There is a contingent that believes he will and a contingent that believes he won't. No one knows for certain.

I am in the contingent that believes he is an elite talent and that his coaching staff will try to find ways to get the ball in his hands consistently every week from here on out.

I remember dez Bryant in his 3rd year. Everyone gave up on him. He hadn't posted a 100 yard game yet (or maybe one) at that point and romo wasn't looking much towards his way and he was a headcase. Midway through the season he flourished and literally won leagues for his owners.

I'm not saying that Patterson is as talented as dez with regards to being polished route runner, but Patterson has equal skills with the ball in his hands and has dez upside.

In dynasty he is an exciting hold. In redraft i think he will shut people up sooner rather than later. And if he does it via runs and screen passes who cares?

 

[GROOT]

Best offensive weapon on the team and they can't figure out how to get him touches... regardless if he can't run routes, he needs the ball in his hands and he will make things happen. The past few weeks have been a travesty.

Norval does need to do a better job.

Please prove he is the best offensive weapon on this team,

With Peterson gone there is clearly no one better on that team with the ball in their hands. If you disagree with that, you're clearly more tree than sentient being.

ETA: Clearly.

OK, so Norv should keep handing off to him? That's his only chance of getting the ball in his hands, because as an overated WR, it just ain't happening.

 

[tandl71]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

You're going to have a hard time finding this thread in week 17.

It's week 6 and I had to dig.

 

[Concept Coop]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Why wait for a good laugh? Go back and read those who proclaimed they were getting a steal in round 4.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

As an NFL pass catcher, Patterson averages 3-31 per game, with four whopping touchdown catches in 21 games. So, does averaging, say, 50 yards per game from this point, constitute "breaking out?"

Really, no more needs to be said on the topic. He's either going to post some stats or he isn't. There is a contingent that believes he will and a contingent that believes he won't. No one knows for certain.

I am in the contingent that believes he is an elite talent and that his coaching staff will try to find ways to get the ball in his hands consistently every week from here on out.

I remember dez Bryant in his 3rd year. Everyone gave up on him. He hadn't posted a 100 yard game yet (or maybe one) at that point and romo wasn't looking much towards his way and he was a headcase. Midway through the season he flourished and literally won leagues for his owners.

I'm not saying that Patterson is as talented as dez with regards to being polished route runner, but Patterson has equal skills with the ball in his hands and has dez upside.

In dynasty he is an exciting hold. In redraft i think he will shut people up sooner rather than later. And if he does it via runs and screen passes who cares?

For the record, I am not in the "he is a bust and will not break out" camp. I am still cautiously optimistic that he will emerge eventually, but that might not be this year. I do have him on one redraft team, so I hope it's this year. I am just saying, it seems like those who are "all in" on him are willing to make any excuse in the book - no AP, not being targeted enough, etc. - to explain why he isn't lighting it up. And some of those explanations are perfectly valid - I do think the loss of AP has hurt him a bit - but some just need to accept it that he isn't that good of an NFL pass catcher...yet.

 

[zamboni]

For those of us in keeper/dynasty leagues, the only viable option is to hold but keep him far away from a starting lineup until he produces anything like he did down the stretch last year.

 

[MNTom]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

As an NFL pass catcher, Patterson averages 3-31 per game, with four whopping touchdown catches in 21 games. So, does averaging, say, 50 yards per game from this point, constitute "breaking out?"

Really, no more needs to be said on the topic. He's either going to post some stats or he isn't. There is a contingent that believes he will and a contingent that believes he won't. No one knows for certain.I am in the contingent that believes he is an elite talent and that his coaching staff will try to find ways to get the ball in his hands consistently every week from here on out.

I remember dez Bryant in his 3rd year. Everyone gave up on him. He hadn't posted a 100 yard game yet (or maybe one) at that point and romo wasn't looking much towards his way and he was a headcase. Midway through the season he flourished and literally won leagues for his owners.

I'm not saying that Patterson is as talented as dez with regards to being polished route runner, but Patterson has equal skills with the ball in his hands and has dez upside.

In dynasty he is an exciting hold. In redraft i think he will shut people up sooner rather than later. And if he does it via runs and screen passes who cares?

For the record, I am not in the "he is a bust and will not break out" camp. I am still cautiously optimistic that he will emerge eventually, but that might not be this year. I do have him on one redraft team, so I hope it's this year. I am just saying, it seems like those who are "all in" on him are willing to make any excuse in the book - no AP, not being targeted enough, etc. - to explain why he isn't lighting it up. And some of those explanations are perfectly valid - I do think the loss of AP has hurt him a bit - but some just need to accept it that he isn't that good of an NFL pass catcher...yet.

All that matters right now, he is not worth much as a fantasy football option

 

[urbanhack]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Why wait for a good lague? Go back and read those who proclaimed they were getting a steal in round 4.

I don't think anyone thought he was a steal in round 4. Most people that drafted him in round 4 knew they were reaching. If he was a steal in round 4, then they expected him to go in the 2nd or 3rd round???

 

[Stryker]

Might be forced to start him this week with Calvin and Green injuries at WR.. :(

 

[Gottabesweet]

Is he even playing? Still on KR?

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think anyone thought he was a steal in round 4. Most people that drafted him in round 4 knew they were reaching. If he was a steal in round 4, then they expected him to go in the 2nd or 3rd round???

Semantics aside--if he wants to laugh at people for being wrong about Patterson, there's no need to wait.

 

[PhantomJB]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

 

[Faust]

Cordarrelle Patterson needs to be more than a decoy

 

[Jack White]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

 

[Da Gildz]

I'm surprised he's so down on everyones rankings this week. He's clearly not a WR2, we all get that. But this is a guy who can put up 30+ pts any given week. He's your prototypical 'feast' or famine WR3. Yet, im seeing him ranked in the 40's/50's on some lists?? That's crazy. I would suggest owners look at their matchups, if you think you're an underdog this week, do not leave this guy on your bench.

 

[PhantomJB]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

Depends. Generally speaking, however, I find that you can glean more insight by critically listening to coaches than random opinions in the Shark Pool.

 

[Jack White]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

Depends. Generally speaking, however, I find that you can glean more insight by critically listening to coaches than random opinions in the Shark Pool.

Problem with that is coaches lie for a living.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Because it seems like a good ideas to get the ball into the hands of a dynamic playmaker?



I'm stubbornly still aboard this train and will start him as long as he plays.

 

[jurb26]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

They manufactured touches for him week 1.

 

[Jack White]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

They manufactured touches for him week 1.

But in the last four games, only two bubble screens and one rushing attempt.

 

[Concept Coop]

I am in the contingent that believes he is an elite talent and that his coaching staff will try to find ways to get the ball in his hands consistently every week from here on out.I remember dez Bryant in his 3rd year. Everyone gave up on him. He hadn't posted a 100 yard game yet (or maybe one) at that point and romo wasn't looking much towards his way and he was a headcase. Midway through the season he flourished and literally won leagues for his owners.

I'm not saying that Patterson is as talented as dez with regards to being polished route runner, but Patterson has equal skills with the ball in his hands and has dez upside.

Not trying to pile on, or even poke fun, as I have elsewhere in this thread. Just addressing your points:

Dez was likely a better wide receiver as a 19 YO true freshman than Patterson is today, his 2nd year in the NFL. I don't see any valid comparison between the two players, as WRs. Dez is a great route runner, has elite tracking abilities and body control in the air, is physically dominating with his upper-body strength, knows where to be on the field, understands how to adjust to coverages, and has great hands. You don't reach those levels while learning on the job at this level.

Patterson is a great athlete and it translates on the field when he has the ball in his hands--like Dion Sanders, Devin Hester, Patrick Peterson, Dante Hall, Desmond Howard, etc. But, as you can see by looking at that list--it doesn't mean much if you don't have high end WR skills.

If you're holding out hope that he's Dez Bryant, I think you're making a very, very bad bet.

 

[Concept Coop]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

They manufactured touches for him week 1.

Norv addressed why they aren't giving him as many runs; teams adjusted. They're seeing him in the backfield and playing wide.

 

[jurb26]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

They manufactured touches for him week 1.

Norv addressed why they aren't giving him as many runs; teams adjusted. They're seeing him in the backfield and playing wide.

Which doesn't change the fact they they manufactured touches for him week 1. There are other ways of doing it as well.

 

[Concept Coop]

Which doesn't change the fact they they manufactured touches for him week 1. There are other ways of doing it as well.

If the goal is to get him touches, sure. If the goal is to move the football and win games--that takes a back seat. Norv is one of the great offensive minds in football. It's pretty telling that he's not forcing it to CP. In the interview, he kept making it a point that they want to "get everyone involved", when asked about CP specifically. Norv's not out to get CP or his fantasy owners and clearly knows what he's doing. Maybe we need to stop making excuses for the kid. Maybe he's just not a very good NFL WR.

 

[jurb26]

Which doesn't change the fact they they manufactured touches for him week 1. There are other ways of doing it as well.

If the goal is to get him touches, sure. If the goal is to move the football and win games--that takes a back seat. Norv is one of the great offensive minds in football. It's pretty telling that he's not forcing it to CP. In the interview, he kept making it a point that they want to "get everyone involved", when asked about CP specifically. Norv's not out to get CP or his fantasy owners and clearly knows what he's doing. Maybe we need to stop making excuses for the kid. Maybe he's just not a very good NFL WR.

Where did I make any excuse in that post?

 

[Concept Coop]

Where did I make any excuse in that post?

I very well could have misundertood you. But bringing up his utilization as you have--comes of as you shifting blame from CP, and to Norv.

 

[jurb26]

Where did I make any excuse in that post?

I very well could have misundertood you. But bringing up his utilization as you have--comes of as you shifting blame from CP, and to Norv.

I simply corrected the statement that was made about him having never been manufactured touches. Not sure how it could have been unclear. Week 1 he was manufactured touches. I didn't bring up any utilization other than the correction.

 

[Concept Coop]

Because they are not the same player, even though it's become trendy to imply that they are basically equivalent?

I'm the only person I've read make the comment. Is once a trend?

What has CP done that places him ahead of Tavon as a WR? Why has the fantay community accepted Tavon's usage, or lack of, but not CP's? They're both talented, raw players who are dangerous in space, but can't seem to get there very often.

Norv Turner is one of the great offensive minds in football. If he's not making it a point to force CP the ball--it's likely for reasons beyond his own ignorance or short-comings. Is it really easier to belive that we know better than Norv on the subject, than to believe that maybe CP isn't as good as we thought and isn't worthy of the targets we're calling for?

 

[Concept Coop]

Why isn't there a 40 page Tavon Austin thread calling out the Rams?

Smaller? Less explosive?

Tavon's quicker and faster. But my point wasn't to compare them as players, but rather situations: Raw, talented players with upside but serious flaws. We've widely accepted that Tavon's lack of numbers are his own doing. Yet, we're blaming Norv Turner and 3 different QBs for CP's.

 

[jurb26]

Because they are not the same player, even though it's become trendy to imply that they are basically equivalent?

I'm the only person I've read make the comment. Is once a trend?

What has CP done that places him ahead of Tavon as a WR? Why has the fantay community accepted Tavon's usage, or lack of, but not CP's? They're both talented, raw players who are dangerous in space, but can't seem to get there, due to short-comings.

Norv Turner is one of the great offensive minds in football. If he's not making it a point to force CP the ball--it's likely for reasons beyond his own ignorance or short-comings.

There was a bit more to his post than that.

 

[Warpig]

Hear it from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions. Good interview with Norv asking the same questions everyone in here is asking. First 2:30 focused on CP.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Turner-Anxious-To-Get-Cordarrelle-More-Involved/b6ab9c12-b7ab-4af3-89e1-dd47fdbe3adc

Do you really believe anything Norv -- or any coach -- has to say?

I feel they haven't done anything to manufacture touches for him up to this point; why will they start now?

Best hope for Patterson owners is that Teddy and McKinnon play well, forcing defenses to ignore Patterson.

This.

Everytime a coach has opened his mouth this year, they have only gone on to do the exact opposite of what they've said. It's a stupid game they play.

 

[Concept Coop]

Because they are not the same player, even though it's become trendy to imply that they are basically equivalent?

I'm the only person I've read make the comment. Is once a trend?

What has CP done that places him ahead of Tavon as a WR? Why has the fantay community accepted Tavon's usage, or lack of, but not CP's? They're both talented, raw players who are dangerous in space, but can't seem to get there, due to short-comings.

Norv Turner is one of the great offensive minds in football. If he's not making it a point to force CP the ball--it's likely for reasons beyond his own ignorance or short-comings.

There was a bit more to his post than that.

And it was addressed (utilization).

 

[zamboni]

Still waiting for those 20 plays that Norv specifically designed for CP during mini-camps. Perhaps all NFL defenses got a hold of those.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Still waiting for those 20 plays that Norv specifically designed for CP during mini-camps. Perhaps all NFL defenses got a hold of those.

He has 20 plays, he is just spreading them out over the course of the 16 game season.

 

[Yenrub]

Why isn't there a 40 page Tavon Austin thread calling out the Rams?

Smaller? Less explosive?

Tavon's quicker and faster. But my point wasn't to compare them as players, but rather situations: Raw, talented players with upside but serious flaws. We've widely accepted that Tavon's lack of numbers are his own doing. Yet, we're blaming Norv Turner and 3 different QBs for CP's.

For me it’s because I don’t see anything special, rare or unique about Austin. I have seen a ton of small, fast and quick guys play in the NFL. Some have done well some have not.

I also don’t buy that it is widely accepted that Austin’s lack of production is his own doing. I have seen plenty question why the Rams especially with Fisher as the head coach even bothered to draft a player like Austin because he didn’t seem like a good fit for their (Fisher’s) offense. Also hasn't Austin missed a lot of games due to injury?

I haven’t seen too many guys Patterson’s size move the way he does with the ball in his hands

 

[Concept Coop]

For me it’s because I don’t see anything special, rare or unique about Austin. I have seen a ton of small, fast and quick guys play in the NFL. Some have done well some have not.


I also don’t buy that it is widely accepted that Austin’s lack of production is his own doing. I have seen plenty question why the Rams especially with Fisher as the head coach even bothered to draft a player like Austin because he didn’t seem like a good fit for their (Fisher’s) offense. Also hasn't Austin missed a lot of games due to injury?

I haven’t seen too many guys Patterson’s size move the way he does with the ball in his hands.

Tavon had a higher rookie draft ADP. While I think it's perfectly rational to value Patterson more due to his size--it's hard to explain the market's behavior based on it. It's not as though Tavon shrunk or Patterson grew.

And while there may be some Tavon grumblings--it's nothing compared to what we're seeing and hearing with Patterson. That's pretty clear by looking at their ADPs. The market expected CP to be doing much more than he is, while it was agnostic at best on Tavon's chances.

At an idividual level, I certainly understand liking CP more than Tavon. I just question why their projections were so far apart, and why they haven't been re-adjusted, bringing them closer together, based on this season, at a market level. Again, at one point the market had them neck and neck, if not Tavon slightly higher.

 

[KellysHeroes]

think I'm starting Hester over him this week while Douglas is hurt

 

[SameSongNDance]

Only SD has been stingier vs. WRs this year than DET. I mean, all of this "we'll get him more involved" talk is nice but what we've seen thus far in conjunction with the match-up takes him off the flex radar. If he blows up on my bench I'll be happy.

 

[FlipsideRM]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

 

[FlipsideRM]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

I'm buying into the fact that Norv is finally starting to take the heat for not getting their best playmaker the ball. The reporters are finally asking the right questions, etc. He's too dynamic to not get more than 5 touches per game, this is a home game after the Vikes just laid a stinker vs the Packers.

Yes, Detroit has been good against "wide receivers" but if they can utilize cordarelle with some screens/hitch/handoffs this guy can explode, I can see it happening this week

 

[loonzilla]

Stupid Question: What the hec does Patternson say during that ESPN fantasy football commercial?

 

[LawFitz]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

Mean regression

 

[tone1oc]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

Mean regression

Which mean has him being relevant as a WR?

 

[FlipsideRM]

Everyone and their mother is trading him/benching him this week. Same happened for some idiots with Demaryius, look what happened last week. Don't ditch your playmakers

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

Mean regression

What is the mean? Aside from a stint in Dec. of last year, it's essentially 2/30 or 3/20. CP hasn't shown us anything to suggest that there's a higher mean for him to regress towards.

Everyone and their mother is trading him/benching him this week. Same happened for some idiots with Demaryius, look what happened last week. Don't ditch your playmakers

People were spewing the same garbage last week. When CP puts together back to back seasons of 90+ catches, 1400+ yards and double digit TDs he'll get a pass on a slow start. Sure, CP can similarly take a screen to the house but that's where the comparison ends; his game isn't nearly as polished. If you decide to start CP this week after everything we've seen thus far in conceivably the worst match-up possible and he blows up, congratulations, but it was still the wrong move.

 

[FlipsideRM]

I'll be the contrarian this week. I think he has a big game this week

Okay, why?

Mean regression

What is the mean? Aside from a stint in Dec. of last year, it's essentially 2/30 or 3/20. CP hasn't shown us anything to suggest that there's a higher mean for him to regress towards.

Everyone and their mother is trading him/benching him this week. Same happened for some idiots with Demaryius, look what happened last week. Don't ditch your playmakers

People were spewing the same garbage last week. When CP puts together back to back seasons of 90+ catches, 1400+ yards and double digit TDs he'll get a pass on a slow start. Sure, CP can similarly take a screen to the house but that's where the comparison ends; his game isn't nearly as polished. If you decide to start CP this week after everything we've seen thus far in conceivably the worst match-up possible and he blows up, congratulations, but it was still the wrong move.

Why is it the worst matchup possible? Teams who usually get blown out the week before and are playing at home tend to bounce back. They've had a week and a half to prepare for this game, ot too mention they get bridgewater back. Theyll find ways to get Cordarelle the ball in space this week, bank on it