RB/WR Ty Montgomery, NE (1 Viewer)

[JFS171]

Right I realize that I'm just speaking of the unpredictable nature of it.

Yeah - I think it's the type of thing that the risk averse dynasty owner should look to avoid.  I'd gamble on Montgomery in redraft as I think he's going to have some monster games ... but I have a feeling he misses weeks too, and who knows when.

I love the talent.  Love the situation.  What happened last year and the slow recovery times scare the crap out of me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Several players have sickle cell - the only effect I've seen is some don't play at high altitude. None have reported healing slowly or not being able to play 16 games that I recall (unless a game is at Denver) 

i drafted Ty in the 3.08 spot and I'm happy with him there. I also handcuffed him, as I usually do with my RB2s, but watching them both play it's obvious who the superior talent is.

I may be the minority here but in PPR I think Ty is a great 3rd round value. With an elite QB and elite WRs to stretch the field, Montgomery will have plenty of running room and he's as smooth a pass catcher out of the backfield as any RB I've seen. 

Very happy to have him as my RB2. He looked terrific last (preseason) game, and he looks to have added weight to his frame from last year. Runs tough, he's fast, good vision - seems like a lot of folks are downgrading him based on 1. Sickle cell (which seems silly) or 2. Last year's small sample size, where he converted from WR, and was still very much learning the position. 

3rd round seems fair for his upside in a prolific offense. JWill was a cheap insurance policy, too. 

Each to their own though - maybe I'm wrong and he'll suck. Obviously I'm betting on the opposite. Good luck everyone. 

 

[JFS171]

Several players have sickle cell - the only effect I've seen is some don't play at high altitude. None have reported healing slowly or not being able to play 16 games that I recall (unless a game is at Denver) 

i drafted Ty in the 3.08 spot and I'm happy with him there. I also handcuffed him, as I usually do with my RB2s, but watching them both play it's obvious who the superior talent is.

I may be the minority here but in PPR I think Ty is a great 3rd round value. With an elite QB and elite WRs to stretch the field, Montgomery will have plenty of running room and he's as smooth a pass catcher out of the backfield as any RB I've seen. 

Very happy to have him as my RB2. He looked terrific last (preseason) game, and he looks to have added weight to his frame from last year. Runs tough, he's fast, good vision - seems like a lot of folks are downgrading him based on 1. Sickle cell (which seems silly) or 2. Last year's small sample size, where he converted from WR, and was still very much learning the position. 

3rd round seems fair for his upside in a prolific offense. JWill was a cheap insurance policy, too. 

Each to their own though - maybe I'm wrong and he'll suck. Obviously I'm betting on the opposite. Good luck everyone. 

I did ask the question up above, and I think it's plausible that it affects folks differently.  Ryan Clark never had a problem except whether or not to play at Denver.  Same with Tevin Coleman.  But John Brown has a rather notorious reputation now for being a slow healer, whether soft tissue injuries or sprained ankles.  Maybe Ty falls in the latter group?  Given how he randomly missed games last year and seemed to be out for rather extended periods without specifics given, it makes me wonder.

As I said before, the talent is there ... the opportunity is golden.  In redraft, sign me up.  In dynasty, I'd look for an opportunity to sell (and have and did).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I did ask the question up above, and I think it's plausible that it affects folks differently.  Ryan Clark never had a problem except whether or not to play at Denver.  Same with Tevin Coleman.  But John Brown has a rather notorious reputation now for being a slow healer, whether soft tissue injuries or sprained ankles.  Maybe Ty falls in the latter group?  Given how he randomly missed games last year and seemed to be out for rather extended periods without specifics given, it makes me wonder.

As I said before, the talent is there ... the opportunity is golden.  In redraft, sign me up.  In dynasty, I'd look for an opportunity to sell (and have and did).

Yeah - I agree with that assessment. 

The slow healing could just be because Brown is a slow healer. he seems to be the outliar of the players I've seen with the condition. 

And yep - for redraft I like him more, provided you remember to handcuff him. Just in case it becomes an issue.

IMO if it were as bad as some here suggest, GB wouldn't have made him their starting RB. I'm reasonably sure their team doctors/trainers are better at assessing this sort of thing than we are.

also, folks need to take caution to not associate cause and effect so easily - football is a dangerous sport, and a lot of players miss games for lots of reasons. Montgomery could very well get a normal minor injury and miss a game - and all of a sudden the FFB community will erupt with "i toldja so! Sickle cell! Slow healer!" when it might have nothing to do with that. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Several players have sickle cell - the only effect I've seen is some don't play at high altitude. None have reported healing slowly or not being able to play 16 games that I recall (unless a game is at Denver) 

i drafted Ty in the 3.08 spot and I'm happy with him there. I also handcuffed him, as I usually do with my RB2s, but watching them both play it's obvious who the superior talent is.

I may be the minority here but in PPR I think Ty is a great 3rd round value. With an elite QB and elite WRs to stretch the field, Montgomery will have plenty of running room and he's as smooth a pass catcher out of the backfield as any RB I've seen. 

Very happy to have him as my RB2. He looked terrific last (preseason) game, and he looks to have added weight to his frame from last year. Runs tough, he's fast, good vision - seems like a lot of folks are downgrading him based on 1. Sickle cell (which seems silly) or 2. Last year's small sample size, where he converted from WR, and was still very much learning the position. 

3rd round seems fair for his upside in a prolific offense. JWill was a cheap insurance policy, too. 

Each to their own though - maybe I'm wrong and he'll suck. Obviously I'm betting on the opposite. Good luck everyone. 

I think the biggest issue with Ty is that his body is not used to or built for the pounding that comes at RB. He hasn't learned to take a hit as a RB, so in turn he gets beat up a bit more. 

With the risk of sounding condescending or know it all, I'll outline my line of thinking in how I came to the conclusion that he may heal slower

Red blood cells bring oxygen, oxygen heals tissue. If a red blood cell's inability to bring oxygen is compromised then healing will be slower. Much like higher altitude affects people with sickle cell, being hurt is the same thing. Ty has evidence of this as early as last season where he took a while to get healthy following what seemed to be like a normal every day hit. 

I did ask the question up above, and I think it's plausible that it affects folks differently.  Ryan Clark never had a problem except whether or not to play at Denver.  Same with Tevin Coleman.  But John Brown has a rather notorious reputation now for being a slow healer, whether soft tissue injuries or sprained ankles.  Maybe Ty falls in the latter group?  Given how he randomly missed games last year and seemed to be out for rather extended periods without specifics given, it makes me wonder.

As I said before, the talent is there ... the opportunity is golden.  In redraft, sign me up.  In dynasty, I'd look for an opportunity to sell (and have and did).

Honestly, with how fickle the GB coaches can be with RBs, I think the best idea in redraft would be to sell him high at around week 6 or 7. He will start off pretty well and I imagine he will have about 2-3 big games before the pounding catches up and Williams/Jones catch on. I'm not looking for an "I told you so moment," I'm just offering one opinion. I realize I'm likely in the minority here, but I've been pretty accurate thus far on Ty

 

[Interseptopus]

Yeah - I agree with that assessment. 

The slow healing could just be because Brown is a slow healer. he seems to be the outliar of the players I've seen with the condition. 

And yep - for redraft I like him more, provided you remember to handcuff him. Just in case it becomes an issue.

IMO if it were as bad as some here suggest, GB wouldn't have made him their starting RB. I'm reasonably sure their team doctors/trainers are better at assessing this sort of thing than we are.

also, folks need to take caution to not associate cause and effect so easily - football is a dangerous sport, and a lot of players miss games for lots of reasons. Montgomery could very well get a normal minor injury and miss a game - and all of a sudden the FFB community will erupt with "i toldja so! Sickle cell! Slow healer!" when it might have nothing to do with that. 

You're right. Correlation is not causation. No one will ever know if he is healing slowly because of sickle cell unless you'r eon that medical staff. No two injuries are alike. In general I tend to stay away from guys who get beat up a bit more... just conservative drafting for me. 

I wouldn't' be one to throw it in anyone's faces. We all have opinions. Some of us will be right but most of us will be wrong. Some people like myself have downgraded Ty to some degree because of his sickle cell. Others like yourself have not. Whatever happens happens. If he sucks this year... that's hard enough to deal with... don't need some tool bag throwing it in your face. I think you did a great thing by handcuffing him. Drafting Ty without a handcuff, or at least good backups, is pretty risky IMO. 

Best of luck to you this season. I hope Ty is awesome because that means GB is awesome. There isn't a thread in this whole forum that I hope I'm more incorrect on than this one

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think the biggest issue with Ty is that his body is not used to or built for the pounding that comes at RB. He hasn't learned to take a hit as a RB, so in turn he gets beat up a bit more. 

With the risk of sounding condescending or know it all, I'll outline my line of thinking in how I came to the conclusion that he may heal slower

Red blood cells bring oxygen, oxygen heals tissue. If a red blood cell's inability to bring oxygen is compromised then healing will be slower. Much like higher altitude affects people with sickle cell, being hurt is the same thing. Ty has evidence of this as early as last season where he took a while to get healthy following what seemed to be like a normal every day hit. 

Yes, I'm familiar with the condition and the mechanics of it, thanks.

All due respect for your educated opinion, unless you're the one taking the hit, you can't possibly know what constitutes "normal".

There's nothing normal about a helmeted linebacker plowing into you at game speed - it's a wholly unnatural experience.

I've seen players take what looks like career ending blows, pop up and line up for the next snap. I've also seen players take what appears to be a minor glancing blow and be lost for the season.

Again - unless you're the one absorbing the blow it's really presumptuous to project what kind of hit he took or how it should or should not have have effected him. 

I do agree he was less used to it last season - and the added reps, training camp, increased muscle mass and weight will likely help with that, like it does all RBs. 

Honestly, with how fickle the GB coaches can be with RBs, I think the best idea in redraft would be to sell him high at around week 6 or 7. He will start off pretty well and I imagine he will have about 2-3 big games before the pounding catches up and Williams/Jones catch on. I'm not looking for an "I told you so moment," I'm just offering one opinion. I realize I'm likely in the minority here, but I've been pretty accurate thus far on Ty

That's pretty bold advice considering the season hasn't even started yet. 

GB has been fickle out of necessity. No one said they were fickle when it appeared they'd finally found a feature back in Edddie Lacy. Then fickle again because Lacy got fat and slow (fatter/slower?)

Maybe Jwill will have a larger role than folks think - in PPR Ty should carry plenty of value catching passes from ARod. And maybe the optimist would say that JWill will help to absorb some of those hits that'll help to keep Ty on the field. 

Either way that's why he's not a 1st or 2nd round pick as Lacy was when he was expected to carry the load. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You're right. Correlation is not causation. No one will ever know if he is healing slowly because of sickle cell unless you'r eon that medical staff. No two injuries are alike. In general I tend to stay away from guys who get beat up a bit more... just conservative drafting for me. 

I wouldn't' be one to throw it in anyone's faces. We all have opinions. Some of us will be right but most of us will be wrong. Some people like myself have downgraded Ty to some degree because of his sickle cell. Others like yourself have not. Whatever happens happens. If he sucks this year... that's hard enough to deal with... don't need some tool bag throwing it in your face. I think you did a great thing by handcuffing him. Drafting Ty without a handcuff, or at least good backups, is pretty risky IMO. 

Best of luck to you this season. I hope Ty is awesome because that means GB is awesome. There isn't a thread in this whole forum that I hope I'm more incorrect on than this one

Oh I wasn't suggesting it would be you. lol

That said, I think we're all more in agreement than you indicate. We've all downgraded him. He's a late 3rd / early 4th round pick. 

The starting RB for GBP is typically a 1st rounder. I happily took Ahman Green 1.03 the year he tore his ACL.  

i also spent a 1.07 on Lacy when I thought he'd be the man.  

But I also had Green & Lacy the prior years when they were most productive - the bottom line for me is that al players carry risk. I'm sure Ware owners wish they could go back and draft Montgomery right now. But the upside to having the featured role RB in the GBP offense justifies that risk. 

IF Montgomery can give you 14 games, catch 40+ passes and score a handful of TDs he'll be worth it. 

If the sickle cell becomes an issue and JWill takes over, he was a 15th round handcuff so pretty cheap insurance. 

Good luck to you as well! 

 

[Interseptopus]

Yes, I'm familiar with the condition and the mechanics of it, thanks.

All due respect for your educated opinion, unless you're the one taking the hit, you can't possibly know what constitutes "normal".

There's nothing normal about a helmeted linebacker plowing into you at game speed - it's a wholly unnatural experience.

I've seen players take what looks like career ending blows, pop up and line up for the next snap. I've also seen players take what appears to be a minor glancing blow and be lost for the season.

Again - unless you're the one absorbing the blow it's really presumptuous to project what kind of hit he took or how it should or should not have have effected him. 

I do agree he was less used to it last season - and the added reps, training camp, increased muscle mass and weight will likely help with that, like it does all RBs. 

You're right, I can only see with my eyes. 

I hope that having a whole off season would condition him a bit as well. I agree. His frame is very close to AP, but AP was just a freak of a RB... (who also his biggest knock on draft day was his ability to stay healthy)

I've said this a bunch in here, and it seems obvious, but Ty's biggest contribution is as a receiver out of the backfield. I don't see him being a bruising RB... they don't need him to be this year especially with Williams. He looked just awful at the goal line last year. They have Rip and Williams too for those. So if Ty can get 5-60 a game and maybe a TD here and there he's a great RB2. But after he came back after his injury his targets drastically decreased... noticeably so. So in that aspect, I think that's a good argument that the coaching staff did know more than us and realize that they couldn't' be throwing to Ty 10-14 times a game if they wanted him to be healthy. 

He just needs to make the most of his opportunities.

That's pretty bold advice considering the season hasn't even started yet. 

GB has been fickle out of necessity. No one said they were fickle when it appeared they'd finally found a feature back in Edddie Lacy. Then fickle again because Lacy got fat and slow (fatter/slower?)

Maybe Jwill will have a larger role than folks think - in PPR Ty should carry plenty of value catching passes from ARod. And maybe the optimist would say that JWill will help to absorb some of those hits that'll help to keep Ty on the field. 

Either way that's why he's not a 1st or 2nd round pick as Lacy was when he was expected to carry the load. 

Just my opinion. I think following the bye week GB has a different RB getting the lion's share. I'll probably be wrong. But I think 8 weeks is a conceivable amount of time to expect a rookie RB to get the game flow a bit more. Williams is more of a runner than Ty is. Ty is a catcher. 

Lacy was given a very short leash and then was relegated to the bench behind James Starks... Lacy was coming off of a pro bowl year I believe. I don't know of many NFL teams that gave up on their pro bowl running back <2 months into the season. That's all. There is a lot of pressure in GB to win. If they start losing and it's becuase their running game is averaging 40 yards a game, I'm pretty certain a big change would come. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Oh I wasn't suggesting it would be you. lol

That said, I think we're all more in agreement than you indicate. We've all downgraded him. He's a late 3rd / early 4th round pick. 

The starting RB for GBP is typically a 1st rounder. I happily took Ahman Green 1.03 the year he tore his ACL.  

i also spent a 1.07 on Lacy when I thought he'd be the man.  

But I also had Green & Lacy the prior years when they were most productive - the bottom line for me is that al players carry risk. I'm sure Ware owners wish they could go back and draft Montgomery right now. But the upside to having the featured role RB in the GBP offense justifies that risk. 

IF Montgomery can give you 14 games, catch 40+ passes and score a handful of TDs he'll be worth it. 

If the sickle cell becomes an issue and JWill takes over, he was a 15th round handcuff so pretty cheap insurance. 

Good luck to you as well! 

I think he can do all of that. He will likely lose goal line carries unless an injury happens. But I think there is some definite value. 

I think many people draft him hoping they can get games of 10-125 out of him... I'm not so sure. 5-50 with the chance for a score... heck I'd take that as my RB2 every day. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lacy was given a very short leash and then was relegated to the bench behind James Starks... Lacy was coming off of a pro bowl year I believe. I don't know of many NFL teams that gave up on their pro bowl running back <2 months into the season. That's all. There is a lot of pressure in GB to win. If they start losing and it's becuase their running game is averaging 40 yards a game, I'm pretty certain a big change would come. 

Yeah - definitely. No argument there at all. Again; we're closer on this than it seemed. 

Interestingly I see Ty as closer to starks in build / ability. 

GB gave up on Lacy because he'd tap dance to the line, displayed horrible vision and for a "bruiser" would collapse from a toe tackle, often for a loss. 

Lacy was terrible. He went from pro-bowl to burrito bowl. Played soft and hesitant, giving GB no choice. IMO they stuck with him a game too many. 

Starks was hungry and able - I was lucky enough to have Starks as a handcuff, obviously not as lucky as if Lacy had delivered on his 1st round value. 

 

[SoBeDad]

Aaron Jones has looked better than Williams. Any chance he passes him on the depth chart?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Aaron Jones has looked better than Williams. Any chance he passes him on the depth chart?

There's always a chance.  

but the coaching staff sees JWill as the backup right now. 

 

[Chaka]

Yeah - definitely. No argument there at all. Again; we're closer on this than it seemed. 

Interestingly I see Ty as closer to starks in build / ability. 

GB gave up on Lacy because he'd tap dance to the line, displayed horrible vision and for a "bruiser" would collapse from a toe tackle, often for a loss. 

Lacy was terrible. He went from pro-bowl to burrito bowl. Played soft and hesitant, giving GB no choice. IMO they stuck with him a game too many. 

Starks was hungry and able - I was lucky enough to have Starks as a handcuff, obviously not as lucky as if Lacy had delivered on his 1st round value. 

This is really a revisionist interpretation of Lacy's time in GB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is really a revisionist interpretation of Lacy's time in GB.

It's also through bitter lenses since he killed me in 2 leagues. Anger dies slow to the fantasy owner scorned. lol 

I don't think it's that revisionist though - perhaps slightly exaggerated, but he was terrible. And I'm not describing his "time in GB" - I'm describing the year he played soft, slow, terrible and was replaced. 

 

[Chaka]

It's also through bitter lenses since he killed me in 2 leagues. Anger dies slow to the fantasy owner scorned. lol 

I don't think it's that revisionist though - perhaps slightly exaggerated, but he was terrible. 

I can dig it.

He had one down year out of four. Even in the down year he managed 4.1 ypc and 9.4 ypcatch.

Last year he was rolling until he got hurt.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can dig it.

He had one down year out of four. Even in the down year he managed 4.1 ypc and 9.4 ypcatch.

Last year he was rolling until he got hurt.

A more fair description.

...Of a player I detest because he ruined my season.  

I have very low expectations for him in Seattle. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Aaron Jones has looked better than Williams. Any chance he passes him on the depth chart?

Don't get me started

IMO Jones is the dynasty back to own in this offense... Yuuuge! 

I'm probably wrong, but I was thrilled when GB took him

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Don't get me started

IMO Jones is the dynasty back to own in this offense... Yuuuge! 

I'm probably wrong, but I was thrilled when GB took him

By the way, I agree with you this one. I think Williams is a tailor made third down back, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he has Jones's potential in the run game. If Montgomery were to miss time, I'd bet that Jones is the one getting early down work. 

 

[packer_junkie]

Packers took 3 running backs in the draft. All three have been impressive at times this preseason. Packers beat guys seem to like Davante Mays (Utah State the best). Williams has been the first guy in after Montgomery & Jones probably has the best burst and numbers. Good luck trying to figure out which/if any-- is the guy to have after Monty. 

 

[Slapdash]

Right I realize that I'm just speaking of the unpredictable nature of it.

This is killer in my book.  Could not pull the trigger on adding him back to any of my teams after that.

 

[EBF]

Aaron Jones has looked better than Williams. Any chance he passes him on the depth chart?

FWIW, Mays got into the game ahead of Jones and had several carries before Jones broke that long run. Jones may be 4th on the depth chart right now.

I don't think this situation is very clear. I have Ty in a lot of leagues (6 out of 7) because I got him cheap in rookie drafts a couple years ago, but I'm a bit reluctant to believe he can hold up for an entire year as the main RB.

I own Mays in all of my leagues, as he looks like a good player relative to his acquisition price (he's dirt cheap, so worth a punt). I think Williams is decent and wouldn't be surprised to see him have some useful games. This is not a RB situation I'd be targeting in redraft though. In dynasty, I'd buy Mays (he's probably on waivers in most leagues) and avoid the others at their market price.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also worth noting about "looked good" in the preseason - Montgomery playing against 1s, the rest playing against guys who will be trying to sell you car insurance in November. Just sayin - it's preseason. So Jones "looking better than Williams" must be taken in context. Unless you've seen Jones against 1s and 2s, there's no way to know if he truly looked better or if the defensive players he faced will be cut from the roster. 

 

[Tau837]

Also worth noting about "looked good" in the preseason - Montgomery playing against 1s, the rest playing against guys who will be trying to sell you car insurance in November. Just sayin - it's preseason. So Jones "looking better than Williams" must be taken in context. Unless you've seen Jones against 1s and 2s, there's no way to know if he truly looked better or if the defensive players he faced will be cut from the roster. 

But this cuts both ways. Yes, the defenders he faced may be soon out of the league, but the same is true of many of his offensive teammates when he got that playing time.

 

[Interseptopus]

FWIW, Mays got into the game ahead of Jones and had several carries before Jones broke that long run. Jones may be 4th on the depth chart right now.

I don't think this situation is very clear. I have Ty in a lot of leagues (6 out of 7) because I got him cheap in rookie drafts a couple years ago, but I'm a bit reluctant to believe he can hold up for an entire year as the main RB.

I own Mays in all of my leagues, as he looks like a good player relative to his acquisition price (he's dirt cheap, so worth a punt). I think Williams is decent and wouldn't be surprised to see him have some useful games. This is not a RB situation I'd be targeting in redraft though. In dynasty, I'd buy Mays (he's probably on waivers in most leagues) and avoid the others at their market price.

I do like Mays as well. I like both Mays and Jones more than Williams TBH... Williams seems like a Brandon Jackson type guy for me... ok maybe a bit of a ridiculous comparison but what I mean is situational runner only, not a 3 down back IMO. Jones and Mays have that big play ability. Jones seems more like a Ty Montgomery but one who runs better. Mays seems to be the most complete back on their roster. 

But this cuts both ways. Yes, the defenders he faced may be soon out of the league, but the same is true of many of his offensive teammates when he got that playing time.

Took the words out of my mouth. If he's running with the 1st offense vs the #3 defense, then yeah that makes sense. But he's running 3rd string vs 3rd string. Sure it's not against 1st string players but his supporting cast isn't 1st string either. I'd love to see Mays with the 1st team. 

I am not entirely sure what GB does with their RB depth this season... 
Obviously Montgomery and Williams make the active roster. Ripkowski as well. Do they keep 5 RBs??? Mays vs Jones, who do they hold onto... neither one is likely to make it to the practice squad. At first I thought Mays would but he has looked great so far. 

Also, they have 3 QBs they should really keep this year too... so that takes a spot away from a positional player that they would have kept in earlier years. Could be tough decisions

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But this cuts both ways. Yes, the defenders he faced may be soon out of the league, but the same is true of many of his offensive teammates when he got that playing time.

Fair point.

 

[packer_junkie]

I do like Mays as well. I like both Mays and Jones more than Williams TBH... Williams seems like a Brandon Jackson type guy for me... ok maybe a bit of a ridiculous comparison but what I mean is situational runner only, not a 3 down back IMO. Jones and Mays have that big play ability. Jones seems more like a Ty Montgomery but one who runs better. Mays seems to be the most complete back on their roster. 

Took the words out of my mouth. If he's running with the 1st offense vs the #3 defense, then yeah that makes sense. But he's running 3rd string vs 3rd string. Sure it's not against 1st string players but his supporting cast isn't 1st string either. I'd love to see Mays with the 1st team. 

I am not entirely sure what GB does with their RB depth this season... 
Obviously Montgomery and Williams make the active roster. Ripkowski as well. Do they keep 5 RBs??? Mays vs Jones, who do they hold onto... neither one is likely to make it to the practice squad. At first I thought Mays would but he has looked great so far. 

Also, they have 3 QBs they should really keep this year too... so that takes a spot away from a positional player that they would have kept in earlier years. Could be tough decisions

no way they keep 3 qbs. If callahan gets scooped up, they'll keep Taysom Hill on the PS. I imagine they'll keep 4 rbs & 1 FB Ripkowski & try to keep Kerridge the FB on the PS for ST depth. Either that or they will have an "Injury" that lands mays or jones on the PS (They do seem to trust williams the most)

 

[Interseptopus]

no way they keep 3 qbs. If callahan gets scooped up, they'll keep Taysom Hill on the PS. I imagine they'll keep 4 rbs & 1 FB Ripkowski & try to keep Kerridge the FB on the PS for ST depth. Either that or they will have an "Injury" that lands mays or jones on the PS (They do seem to trust williams the most)

I love Hill... I don't care for Callahan's arm. I am not so sure Hill makes it to the PS as well as he has looked. But I can be hopeful. I really hope they do not keep 3 QBs and use that spot for a RB instead... but if we could land hill on the PS I'd be very pleased. 

 

[zed2283]

I hate to pull the "do you watch the games?" card, but I thought Montgomery was tremendous last year.  But I could be a little biased since I started him in a semi-final game last year when he ripped the Bears.

Playing the same card, J.Williams has been unimpressive to say the least.  I drafted him because I let myself be pressured into it by the fantasy world, but I held my nose doing it and already regret it.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I am not entirely sure what GB does with their RB depth this season... 
Obviously Montgomery and Williams make the active roster. Ripkowski as well. Do they keep 5 RBs??? Mays vs Jones, who do they hold onto... neither one is likely to make it to the practice squad. At first I thought Mays would but he has looked great so far. 
 

The other thing here. They've been absolutely raving about FB Joe Kerridge all camp long. So, is there chance they keep both Ripkowski and Kerridge? Maybe Kerridge can play some FB if they try to run Ripkowski?

That likely means it's Montgomery, Williams the first RB options. Maybe Jones and Mays to the practice squad?

Tough decisions coming here.

 

[kyoun1e]

So in PPR leagues, this guy is going mid 3rd round. He's in the mix with the likes of D. Cook and K. Hunt (and to a lesser degree CMC who is now going end of 2nd).

Are Ty fans taking him before or after Cook/Hunt?

 

[Interseptopus]

So in PPR leagues, this guy is going mid 3rd round. He's in the mix with the likes of D. Cook and K. Hunt (and to a lesser degree CMC who is now going end of 2nd).

Are Ty fans taking him before or after Cook/Hunt?

IMO Cook >>>>> Montgomery. Cook has top 12 potential. Hunt vs Montgomery is a good debate. TBH I'd go with Hunt because I think the volume would be more than Montgomery. 

 

[menobrown]

I hate to pull the "do you watch the games?" card, but I thought Montgomery was tremendous last year.  But I could be a little biased since I started him in a semi-final game last year when he ripped the Bears.

Playing the same card, J.Williams has been unimpressive to say the least.  I drafted him because I let myself be pressured into it by the fantasy world, but I held my nose doing it and already regret it.

Agree with all of this.

Montgomery not only looked tremendous last year he looked powerful and explosive in this last weeks preseason game. His only concern will be staying healthy.

Jamal Williams I grabbed in a draft a few weeks ago when I heard Montgomery had a soft tissue injury but it was not so widely reported yet. Tried to like him, could not do it, absolutely unimpressive to say the least.  I do not think Jamal is the backup RB, I think that is Aaron Jones.  While Monty is healthy that might mean Jamal plays the second most RB snaps because they'll want to use Jamal on some passing downs because of his pass blocking but I think if Monty got hurt Aaron Jones would be the primary ballcarrier.

 

[Interseptopus]

Agree with all of this.

Montgomery not only looked tremendous last year he looked powerful and explosive in this last weeks preseason game. His only concern will be staying healthy.

Jamal Williams I grabbed in a draft a few weeks ago when I heard Montgomery had a soft tissue injury but it was not so widely reported yet. Tried to like him, could not do it, absolutely unimpressive to say the least.  I do not think Jamal is the backup RB, I think that is Aaron Jones.  While Monty is healthy that might mean Jamal plays the second most RB snaps because they'll want to use Jamal on some passing downs because of his pass blocking but I think if Monty got hurt Aaron Jones would be the primary ballcarrier.

Montgomery really advanced well through the season as a running back. He did not look like a WR trying to play RB; he looked like a RB. I am a fan of his, in spite of me knocking on him in here, as I was calling for him being a second half star in some shape or form- I actually thought he'd be the same role he had as a RB but out of the slot. 

He looked better and better and may surprise a lot of people this year, me included. I am commenting more long term I am not so sure Montgomery is a fantasy stud. He will have fantasy value. I see him as a mid to low range RB2 with some high RB2/low RB1 upside on occasion (if he sees those 8-10 targets). But, the injury risk is there. 

I agree 100% on Jamaal... he's the #2 RB but really #3 I think in terms of how he's looked. Jones is a complete package. 

 

[menobrown]

 But, the injury risk is there. 

Undeniable risk for so many reasons. Mainly the sickle cell trait, upright running style, lack of experience as a ball carrier. I'd be stunned if he gave you a full 16.

 

[Interseptopus]

Undeniable risk for so many reasons. Mainly the sickle cell trait, upright running style, lack of experience as a ball carrier. I'd be stunned if he gave you a full 16.

Short bench in my league... seriously thinking of grabbing Jones in the last round, but I don't want to play that card too early... lots of GB fans in my league, but many will assume Williams is the backup, so until Jones actually takes over Williams I may just leave Jones on the WW.... targeting him as a late season addition though, possibly as a keeper for next year. 

 

[eoMMan]

Undeniable risk for so many reasons. Mainly the sickle cell trait, upright running style, lack of experience as a ball carrier. I'd be stunned if he gave you a full 16.

Yup. Because of this, I have him a notch below Crowell, Cook, Hunt, etc .

 

[Bucsfan5493]

Ended up with Ty in one of my drafts. He wasn't on my radar at all, but after looking into it, I don't mind the pick. Got him at 4.03 in a .5 PPR league. He'll be in a great offense, with a great offensive line and obviously knows how to catch out of the backfield.

I've heard people are concerned about Williams possibly taking carries away from him, but last night he got 11 carries and only had 31 yards on those carries. If the Packers expected him to have a decent sized role in the offense, I can't imagine they would have given him 11 carries in the last pre-season game.

 

[kittenmittens]

Aaron Jones has looked better than Williams. Any chance he passes him on the depth chart?

I don't think that's likely...  Because Jones can't pass block.

The thing most people forget is that the coach doesn't care if one back is a slightly better runner.  Looking better when running is just a nice to have, after all the "must haves" like knowing where to be in pass protection and also execute the block so that Aaron Rodgers doesn't get killed.

If anything Williams has a chance to pass Montgomery if Montgomery hasn't improved his pass blocking enough... Green Bay already wants a more physical back whether they admit it or not... look at all the touches that have gone to John Kuhn or more recently Ripkowski.

Of course the pass protection could get better from either back and they may give Williams a run, but right now I think Williams has pretty good trust of the coaches - for now...

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/40499/adrian-peterson-expects-big-things-from-packers-rb-ty-montgomery

Adrian Peterson expects 'big things' from Packers RB Ty Montgomery

The 24-year-old Montgomery spent part of his offseason working out side by side with the 32-year-old Peterson in Houston.

It was all part of Montgomery's conversion from receiver. He sought out the help of many -- from the self-described Footwork King, who taught Montgomery how to improve his feet;...

...Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "Ty is preparing to go. He's a big part of what we do and how we play -- his ability to be a part of the offense and particularly the things he can do out of the backfield."

 

[Phenomena]

Undeniable risk for so many reasons. Mainly the sickle cell trait, upright running style, lack of experience as a ball carrier. I'd be stunned if he gave you a full 16.

Given the violence of the game, I'm stunned that any running backs make the full 16.  Anyone can get hurt at any point.  Per-game average when they do play is why you draft people. It's why Elliot is going in the 2nd round despite possibly missing half the season.  Ty is the starting RB and potential workhorse for one of the best offenses in the league. His only competition for any touches whatsoever is an unproven 3rd round rookie.  Ty easily deserves to be taken in the late 3rd or early 4th regardless of league format.

 

[menobrown]

Given the violence of the game, I'm stunned that any running backs make the full 16.  Anyone can get hurt at any point.  Per-game average when they do play is why you draft people. It's why Elliot is going in the 2nd round despite possibly missing half the season.  Ty is the starting RB and potential workhorse for one of the best offenses in the league. He deserves to be taken in the late 3rd or early 4th.

Sure anyone can get hurt, ignoring the factors that make him a higher risk to not being able to stay healthy is something I'm not going to do.

I agree he's the starting RB, without question, and should be easily able to return value where he is getting drafted so long as he's healthy. I don't however see a true workhorse. Also one of his best traits is obviously his ability as a receiver but his usage last year in this department was a bit underwhelming most weeks and traditionally Rodgers does not throw to RB's a lot. This is why despite this being one of the best offenses in the league it's not one of the best RB spots.  In the end I don't think his PPG performance is going to make up his missed games and justify his ADP.

 

[Skoo]

If he wasn't a converted WR I bet he'd be going a full round earlier in drafts. Fear of the unknown.

Got him as my #3RB in a standard keeper and am thrilled about it.

 

[CentralPA]

If he wasn't a converted WR I bet he'd be going a full round earlier in drafts. Fear of the unknown.

Got him as my #3RB in a standard keeper and am thrilled about it.

He's my flex back in PPR.  I'm drinking the cheese flavored Cool-Aid.  (eww)

 

[Interseptopus]

Given the violence of the game, I'm stunned that any running backs make the full 16.  Anyone can get hurt at any point.  Per-game average when they do play is why you draft people. It's why Elliot is going in the 2nd round despite possibly missing half the season.  Ty is the starting RB and potential workhorse for one of the best offenses in the league. His only competition for any touches whatsoever is an unproven 3rd round rookie.  Ty easily deserves to be taken in the late 3rd or early 4th regardless of league format.

Yes, Ty would be a decent 3rd or 4th round RB2, but IMO you can do better. Abdullah is just as likely, if not more, as Ty to do well and he can be had round 5 or 6.  
Yes, any RB can get hurt at any time. But would you also agree that certain factors may make some RBs more predisposed to injury than others based on running style, physical traits, genetic disorders, etc? Do you think it's just a coincidence several players are frequently hurt? Does Jordan Reed just have bad luck, or maybe is there something with how his body is made up or plays that makes him more risk for injury so that he's never played 16 games, but several workhorse TEs have? 

No, he's not a workhorse RB. Last season with Christine Michael as the only RB behind him, he only cracked >10 carries once during the regular season, averaging 6.8 attempts per game. That's not the definition of a workhorse IMO. A workhorse gets 15-18 carries a game. 

Sure, we could say a whole off-season of working as a RB maybe the coaching staff trusts him more and he feels more natural at the RB position.
We could also say that there were zero RBs behind Ty Montgomery last year, and now they have 3 RBs behind him that run just fine, less of the pie to go around. Would they really have kept 5 RBs if they had full faith in Montgomery and weren't' going to use all 5? 

GB is not a running team. People thinking Ty is going to offer 8-10 targets in the passing game a week are going to be sorely disappointed. After he got hurt last year, he never saw more than 5 targets during the regular season again. 

IMO what you're looking at for Montgomery per game:
3-4 receptions
35 receiving yards
6 attempts 
40 rushing yards
A chance at a long score but not getting any goal line carries

In PPR leagues that'll work out to 11 points a game. That's probably good enough for a RB2, especially if he gets a score then you're sitting pretty good. If you can live with that, great. If you're expecting a lot more, well then best of luck to you. I think the above is fairly reasonable if not forgiving given his surrounding cast. 

 

 

[OnTheReg]

Yes, Ty would be a decent 3rd or 4th round RB2, but IMO you can do better. Abdullah is just as likely, if not more, as Ty to do well and he can be had round 5 or 6.  
Yes, any RB can get hurt at any time. But would you also agree that certain factors may make some RBs more predisposed to injury than others based on running style, physical traits, genetic disorders, etc? Do you think it's just a coincidence several players are frequently hurt? Does Jordan Reed just have bad luck, or maybe is there something with how his body is made up or plays that makes him more risk for injury so that he's never played 16 games, but several workhorse TEs have? 

No, he's not a workhorse RB. Last season with Christine Michael as the only RB behind him, he only cracked >10 carries once during the regular season, averaging 6.8 attempts per game. That's not the definition of a workhorse IMO. A workhorse gets 15-18 carries a game. 

Sure, we could say a whole off-season of working as a RB maybe the coaching staff trusts him more and he feels more natural at the RB position.
We could also say that there were zero RBs behind Ty Montgomery last year, and now they have 3 RBs behind him that run just fine.

GB is not a running team. People thinking Ty is going to offer 8-10 targets in the passing game a week are going to be sorely disappointed. After he got hurt last year, he never saw more than 5 targets during the regular season again. 

IMO what you're looking at for Montgomery per game:
3-4 receptions
35 receiving yards
6 attempts 
40 rushing yards
A chance at a long score but not getting any goal line carries

In PPR leagues that'll work out to 11 points a game. That's probably good enough for a RB2, especially if he gets a score then you're sitting pretty good. If you can live with that, great. If you're expecting a lot more, well then best of luck to you. I think the above is fairly reasonable if not forgiving given his surrounding cast. 

 

So they're going to hand their #1 RB the ball only 6 times?

 

[CentralPA]

Sure anyone can get hurt, ignoring the factors that make him a higher risk to not being able to stay healthy is something I'm not going to do.

I agree he's the starting RB, without question, and should be easily able to return value where he is getting drafted so long as he's healthy. I don't however see a true workhorse. Also one of his best traits is obviously his ability as a receiver but his usage last year in this department was a bit underwhelming most weeks and traditionally Rodgers does not throw to RB's a lot. This is why despite this being one of the best offenses in the league it's not one of the best RB spots.  In the end I don't think his PPG performance is going to make up his missed games and justify his ADP.

Not to be disrespectful as I am biased party but just seems like a whole lot of nit picking.  Granted he has a very small sample size as an RB but I've heard nothing but great things out of camp and he looked pretty good in the dress rehearsal. 

 

[Interseptopus]

If he wasn't a converted WR I bet he'd be going a full round earlier in drafts. Fear of the unknown.

Got him as my #3RB in a standard keeper and am thrilled about it.

He's my flex back in PPR.  I'm drinking the cheese flavored Cool-Aid.  (eww)

I think that's about right for him. Flex/RB3 is a great low risk high reward with Ty

 

[Interseptopus]

So they're going to hand their #1 RB the ball only 6 times?

They did last year...  

With less competition behind him. So no, they may hand him the ball less. Look at Seattle last year.. .they did just fine handing their RB1 the ball 5 or so times 

I think what you're proposing is more ridiculous than what I am. I am going off of a full 11 games of Ty as the starter averaging 6.8 carries per game. You're saying that, without any evidence, GB is suddenly going to give the same back way more carries than they did last year.

They saw first hand how using him too much abuses his body and he has to sit... I can't see them going down that road again. If Ty turns into some crazy workhorse RB then I'll gladly eat crow, but I just don't see it happening. Not with Ty at least

 

[CentralPA]

Yes, Ty would be a decent 3rd or 4th round RB2, but IMO you can do better. Abdullah is just as likely, if not more, as Ty to do well and he can be had round 5 or 6.  
Yes, any RB can get hurt at any time. But would you also agree that certain factors may make some RBs more predisposed to injury than others based on running style, physical traits, genetic disorders, etc? Do you think it's just a coincidence several players are frequently hurt? Does Jordan Reed just have bad luck, or maybe is there something with how his body is made up or plays that makes him more risk for injury so that he's never played 16 games, but several workhorse TEs have? 

No, he's not a workhorse RB. Last season with Christine Michael as the only RB behind him, he only cracked >10 carries once during the regular season, averaging 6.8 attempts per game. That's not the definition of a workhorse IMO. A workhorse gets 15-18 carries a game. 

Sure, we could say a whole off-season of working as a RB maybe the coaching staff trusts him more and he feels more natural at the RB position.
We could also say that there were zero RBs behind Ty Montgomery last year, and now they have 3 RBs behind him that run just fine, less of the pie to go around. Would they really have kept 5 RBs if they had full faith in Montgomery and weren't' going to use all 5? 

GB is not a running team. People thinking Ty is going to offer 8-10 targets in the passing game a week are going to be sorely disappointed. After he got hurt last year, he never saw more than 5 targets during the regular season again. 

IMO what you're looking at for Montgomery per game:
3-4 receptions
35 receiving yards
6 attempts 
40 rushing yards
A chance at a long score but not getting any goal line carries

In PPR leagues that'll work out to 11 points a game. That's probably good enough for a RB2, especially if he gets a score then you're sitting pretty good. If you can live with that, great. If you're expecting a lot more, well then best of luck to you. I think the above is fairly reasonable if not forgiving given his surrounding cast. 

 

Also no disrespect but this is a crutch argument.  He was also pushed into a role he had not trained for at all that season.  You're not going to get 15-18 carries a game at a new position your not prepared for.