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That’s certainly possible. I just think we’re looking Walker 60/40 at worst for the foreseeable future.
Correct - but you said “easily”, which I believe is an overstatement.
Maybe, maybe not. But again, that's not what you asked me
Are all touches created equal for FF?
it’s a new question. That’s how conversations work.
90%? I'll take that bet
So if Walker gets 60% of the touches, but Charbs gets 90% or receptions & short yardage you still take Walker over Charbs?
I'm betting against the number being 90%
That’s not what I asked you.
Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
You asked first.
Receptions seems possible.
I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
As you didn’t establish any scoring system that’s kind of a fast and loose bet.
I mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
I'm ok with that. Carroll is maybe the least trustworthy HC in the NFL. Even in that quote, he also said Walker is also a good receiving RB, and that McIntosh (no lock to make the roster) is there for his versatility too. Carroll is all sunshine and lollipops all the time. That's actually how you knew Chris Carson's career was in jeopardy a couple years ago, because Carroll actually sounded pessimistic about something.I mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
In full PPR, I'd agree with this.
Considering he spent a 2nd round pick on the RB who’s receiving ability he’s effusively praising. I believe him this time.
Rookies never suck
He might.
At least.
Charbonnet was my RB2 headed into the draft. I had Gibbs in the same tier, but Charbonnet profiles as an early down between the tackles guy and Gibbs doesn’t, so tie goes to the (GL) runner.
I’m very curious about the rosters in a $5K dynasty league. Unrelated to the topic other than Walker going at 19, but can you post a link?
I’m perfectly okay with either being a top 20-30 guy if they’re both playing and the chance of getting top ten if either gets injured.
I think it’s pretty solid - if you go back to Carson a few years ago it will likely validate your projections for what Seattle would ideally have in terms of RB touches.
Let me try to rephrase this since these seem to be the words you are hung up on.
Just to note another potential issue for the backfield is while I know Charbonnet has some third down skills that's Deejay's strong skill set as well as McInstosh who was one of the better pass catching RB's in the draft an fell due to medical issues. I think there is a strong chance one of these two are designated passing down RB, further muddying the waters.
Counterpoint: no, he won’t. He’ll just have to get touches.
Solid point. Used to be Homer in that role.
No, I’m acting as if Penny got hurt and no other RB had *significant* touches last year.
I have - I said I believe it will be 60-40.
Then we can agree to disagree. I believe it will be more than enough to substantially devalue Walker for FF.
Well, Pete isn’t a genius in all aspects football. I mean the man called (or was at least on board) a slant pass from the 1 yard line in the Super BowlI mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
I can sleepwalk that thing to him, boy!Well, Pete isn’t a genius in all aspects football. I mean the man called (or was at least on board) a slant pass from the 1 yard line in the Super BowlI mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
Fwiw, clay is projecting a 15/8 ppr point split in walkers favor. Maybe he’s right. I don’t think they would have drafted a RB in the second round if that’s the workload they envisioned. I’m out on Walker if he’s being priced at a 15 point back. I had him last year and he wasn’t the league winner I thought he’d be down the stretch.
IIRC he’s more of a “hot hand” guy.
ClassicI can sleepwalk that thing to him, boy!Well, Pete isn’t a genius in all aspects football. I mean the man called (or was at least on board) a slant pass from the 1 yard line in the Super BowlI mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
It will never not be hilarious. It’s one of the most perfect things the television has ever gifted us.ClassicI can sleepwalk that thing to him, boy!Well, Pete isn’t a genius in all aspects football. I mean the man called (or was at least on board) a slant pass from the 1 yard line in the Super BowlI mean, you’re basically disagreeing with Pete Carroll.I'd disagree with that scouting report. Charbonnet is a solid checkdown option, but he an average receiver in my opinion, he's not a guy I would ever expect to be featured (especially in this offense) in the passing game. He's not a great route runner or separator, he just has good hands. That's probably still better than Walker, but I think counting on that as a valuable part of Charbs production is a mistake, Seattle is maybe the least valuable 3rd down job in the NFL.Didn’t say he’d get all the receptions.
The idea probably comes from Charbonnet’s college film and pre-draft scouting reports that shows/says he’s a fluid receiver, and the fact that Walker really isn’t.
ETA: this is from the link Faust just posted.
And
About Walker
Which echoes everything I have been saying about Charbs being a better bet for receptions / short yardage.
From a redraft perspective, I see Walker as a 4th round pick, and Charbonnet as a 9th rounder. I'll likely have zero Walker shares. Dynasty wise, I have Charbonnet as 1.9, and would maybe go as high as 1.3 for Walker if I were a RB away. I think Walker is a better overall runner, with FAR superior big-play ability. I'd be awfully surprised if he lost that starting job at any point.
I like Walker almost as much as anyone but this seems a bit much.
