smbkrypt24
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I have him at 10 currently. Still making minor adjustments here and there though.
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RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (1 Viewer)
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Lot of overvaluing handcuffs here.
Your ownership or lack thereof of Walker has no bearing on Charbonnet’s potential fantasy value.
In the Seattle offense, with the draft capital spent on him, he could be argued anywhere from the 5-10 rookie with massive upside, assuming a 1 QB, PPR, non-TE premium league with relatively normal lineups.
I’m in two vastly different dynasty leagues - one is IDP, PPR but you are not required to start an RB - can go up to 5 WR. In that one, Charbs is likely a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick.
The other is a 14 team, non-PPR, WR/TE combined league where you start 1-4 RB and 1-4 WR/TE (scoring and lineup rules virtually unchanged in 25 years). In that one, Charb is likely a top 5 pick as that league is very RB dominated.
Your ownership or lack thereof of Walker has no bearing on Charbonnet’s potential fantasy value.
In the Seattle offense, with the draft capital spent on him, he could be argued anywhere from the 5-10 rookie with massive upside, assuming a 1 QB, PPR, non-TE premium league with relatively normal lineups.
I’m in two vastly different dynasty leagues - one is IDP, PPR but you are not required to start an RB - can go up to 5 WR. In that one, Charbs is likely a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick.
The other is a 14 team, non-PPR, WR/TE combined league where you start 1-4 RB and 1-4 WR/TE (scoring and lineup rules virtually unchanged in 25 years). In that one, Charb is likely a top 5 pick as that league is very RB dominated.
I have Walker in two leagues.
One of those I have pick 5 and there is no way I'm taking Charbs with that pick.
The other league I have pick 9. I also have Kamara on that team. I'm not entirely sure I'd take any of them and but will have to strongly consider it if I"m making that pick because my team is a contender which is very flush with WR's, TE's and Mahomes and thin at RB. I would probably take Miller over Charbs if both are available and I go that direction.
One of those I have pick 5 and there is no way I'm taking Charbs with that pick.
The other league I have pick 9. I also have Kamara on that team. I'm not entirely sure I'd take any of them and but will have to strongly consider it if I"m making that pick because my team is a contender which is very flush with WR's, TE's and Mahomes and thin at RB. I would probably take Miller over Charbs if both are available and I go that direction.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree. Let’s hope we see some 4th round gems.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I have Walker and picks 3-4-6-20.
I'm not even sure I'd be tempted to use pick 20 on him right now. As I essentially have to take JSN to get value for these picks that's just too much Seahawk on my team.
I'm not even sure I'd be tempted to use pick 20 on him right now. As I essentially have to take JSN to get value for these picks that's just too much Seahawk on my team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the one absolute so far. What a bummer. I wasn’t even going to be able to take him, but I was excited to see his opportunity as a RB1 somewhere.
I’m still excited to see him play, but no doubt Pete Carroll just skewered one of the premium draft picks in this year’s rookie draft.
Glad I dealt all my picks except 1 & 2.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Was relying on him being an option to refresh my RB room at 1.09 in superFlex. Might have to try trade down into two 2nd rounders now if possible, or just invest in a WR. Or just try buy an RB with the pick.
It’s a frustrating one for sure
It’s a frustrating one for sure
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I had him at 1.07 ish but now he's middle 2nd round. Great handcuff back. Cool.
Willy
Footballguy
I have no shares of either of Walker or Charbs and don't expect to after the draft. I agree with the general sentiment here. There's nothing really good about this landing spot. Something unexpected has to happen for this guy to have major value and that would be at the expense of a guy who was a top 5 RB asset just 3 days ago. How different is the RB landscape if he ends up in Cincy or something?
timschochet
Footballguy
I have watched every game Charbonnet played in college (since coming to UCLA). He is easily the best running back ever to play for the Bruins and it’s not even close IMO.
Here is my prediction. The season for Seattle begins with an RBBC, but Charbonnet will emerge as a star running back, the best rookie running back, by midseason. After that Walker will be an afterthought or be traded.
Here is my prediction. The season for Seattle begins with an RBBC, but Charbonnet will emerge as a star running back, the best rookie running back, by midseason. After that Walker will be an afterthought or be traded.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Very bold prediction. But hey, limbs were made to be gone out on. Did I say that right?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
So gross.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe he’ll have stand alone value as a PPR FF RB2.
And similarly Walker will likely hold FF RB2 value.
The reason that all sucks is because both could have been FF RB1s if say, Cinci drafts Charbs & SEA doesn’t take a RB.
It’s just depressing for the FF landscape.
Blick
Footballguy
I don’t know if I’d go quite that far, but it’s a non-0 proposition that Charbs is the best back on that team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s at least a more complete back because of his superior receiving profile & YPC consistency.
That said, I don’t envision a Walker trade. They’ll keep the depth.
I won't discount your feelings here (I like Charbonnet a lot) but being better than Freeman McNeil or Maurice Jones-Drew would be a major surprise.
2022 draft: Seahawks draft Ken Walker. "OK, Seattle is still a running team."
2022 season: Geno, Metcalf, Lockett all have pretty good seasons. "OK, Seattle is a passing team now."
2023 1st round: Seahawks draft JSN. "OK, Seattle is building up that passing game instead of taking a RB. Noted."
2023 2nd round: Seahawks draft Charbonnet. "Seattle wyd"
2022 season: Geno, Metcalf, Lockett all have pretty good seasons. "OK, Seattle is a passing team now."
2023 1st round: Seahawks draft JSN. "OK, Seattle is building up that passing game instead of taking a RB. Noted."
2023 2nd round: Seahawks draft Charbonnet. "Seattle wyd"
FairWarning
Footballguy
I don’t see him being an every down RB with Walker. they do compliment each other though. I see it like Chubb/Hunt in Cleveland (pre 2022).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
All I know is that Charbs is an every down type of back.
Born to Run
Footballguy
Walker owner in FFPC SF. I'm concerned that the new guy takes all the TDs. He is better built for the job and takes some of the wear-n-tear off Walker.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Yep. All of us KW3 owners need to accept we’re basically f’ed. charb is a better receiver and GL back. This is a full blown RBBC. Both can be useable but neither will be top FF RBs barring one of them getting injured.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
This is more how I feel. It's not ideal but is part of the game.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
On a non-fantasy note. Seattle is building an offense here. If everyone can stay healthy. A big if.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
He's probably gonna be over drafted considering this is a time share for a few years.
Assuming Charbonnet is a good NFL player.
So that seems like best case scenario barring injury to walker
Assuming Charbonnet is a good NFL player.
So that seems like best case scenario barring injury to walker
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I keep hearing this but who exactly are you foregoing if you take Charbonet. I mean he still has to be RB3 in this class, no? Late first for a young RBBC back seems fine to me in this class.
Boston
Footballguy
You hit on it…it’s a tough choice…fully understand the Seattle landing spot scaring people but on the flip side who do you draft over him…I don’t have an issue with going either direction.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Agree. As an owner of KW3 he was pretty inconsistent last season. Great games surrounded by duds. He was also pretty bad in the receiving game.
The hope was SEA wouldn't draft or sign another solid RB so his workload would stay high, but that didn't happen.
This looks like a full blown RBBC with Charb also getting a lot of the GL looks and receiving downs. Hate to say it, but for FF purposes it wouldn't be shocking at all for Charb to outproduce KW3.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah passing up Charbonet so that you don't miss out on Rashee Rice or Kendre Miller doesn't sound like a winning strategy either.
I'd take Achane over Charbonnet. He went to the absolute perfect system for his skill set, and has way less competition for carries, especially long term, than Charbonnet does.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Some might say projecting out more than 3 or 4 years is useless, but can't dislike Achane being
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
You sure he's 18 months younger? I'm seeing 9
eighsse2
Footballguy
Hmm ... Checking.
You're right. Thanks. I never could find a nice tidy list that included all of their ages. So I made my own list by checking each birthdate. Did something wrong.
The Gator
Footballguy
Are you Ferrari's team principle???
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I sure would not - but ok one player.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
how about for touches?
eighsse2
Footballguy
This one's going to need more explanation
Still seems true to me. Walker>Mostert and Wilson in my eyes, especially long term. Also seeing more pass catching weapons in Seattle, even if Hill/Waddle is the best 1/2 at WR in the NFL.
I'm probably coming from a different starting place with Charbonnet v Achane. I didn't think they were far apart going into the draft. Didn't see Gibbs that far ahead of either of them, but his landing spot (and subsequent Swift trade) certainly makes a difference there.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I know the game is changing but I can't get behind a 180 pound RB - even if he can run inside in college. I don't see heavy workloads in his future. I can see 6-10 touches a game and a lot of "boom/bust". I think he'll be a better NFL player than fantasy asset. I may turn out to be wrong, but I'll live with it.
I get Charbonet ended up behind a very good RB and that's a bummer, but Seattle leans on the run and Charbs (who could see 3rd down and GL work) should be a decent flex option when Walker is healthy and have league winning upside if Walker was to go down.
I mean 180 pound is a little untrue. He's 188, I'm sure he'll play in the 190s as the Dolphins will likely have him add a little size as long as he stays 4.3.
I see Achane having 13-15 touches a game. I see him as very CJ Spiller like. Probably 60+ yards every week, with obviously some spike weeks due to big plays.
My concern with Charbonnet is that Walker is just better than him. I do agree that if Walker goes down (or Charbonnet obviously) that the Seattle RB will be an RB1. I'm also not sure Seattle leans run heavy anymore. They were 22nd in the NFL in rushing attempts last season, and 27th in 2021. Adding a 1st round WR would seem to suggest they aren't going back to their run heavy ways. I think decent flex option may be a best-case scenario in year 1, unless Walker gets hurt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think Charbs is better than Walker. He’s a more fluid receiver and for PPR gives him a slight advantage already. He also seems to be a more consistent runner, where IIRC that’s been a criticism of Walker.
And well, SEA just spent a 2nd on Charbs, despite having Walker so that could also be telling in what SEA thinks of Walker. Maybe not, but it’s probably not nothing.
I wouldn’t have an issue with anyone taking Charbs over Achane, but I do like them both at their ADP. Achane will have a role, and he’s playing with a 31 year old Mostert and Jeff Wilson, who has trouble staying on the field.
But if betting on injury replacement production, if Walker gets dinged up, Charbonet has top 7 RB upside.
I'd take Achane over Charbs.
That SEA backfield is crowded and I don't think people are properly looking at how much worse McIntosh might have made it. He's one of the top pass catching RB's in the draft and apparently only slid due to medicals. But I think he's the best pass catching RB on the team. I see a strong potential as him as the third down back only making this an uglier RBBC.
I got Walker in two leagues and this whole thing stinks and just going to leave everyone pining for a trade or an injury. I hate to give up on a young talent, which Walker is, but I'm torn on trying harder to puruse getting off this ride or hang on in case Charbs looks like a stiff.
Now I will say I've never been wildly high on Charbonnett. Seems like a smaller Connor/Rhamondre type to me and for his sake he's exactly the kind of RB who needs a full time role and he's not getting it while Walker is around and healthy.
That SEA backfield is crowded and I don't think people are properly looking at how much worse McIntosh might have made it. He's one of the top pass catching RB's in the draft and apparently only slid due to medicals. But I think he's the best pass catching RB on the team. I see a strong potential as him as the third down back only making this an uglier RBBC.
I got Walker in two leagues and this whole thing stinks and just going to leave everyone pining for a trade or an injury. I hate to give up on a young talent, which Walker is, but I'm torn on trying harder to puruse getting off this ride or hang on in case Charbs looks like a stiff.
Now I will say I've never been wildly high on Charbonnett. Seems like a smaller Connor/Rhamondre type to me and for his sake he's exactly the kind of RB who needs a full time role and he's not getting it while Walker is around and healthy.
joey
Footballguy
Here’s my dilemma and current decision making process written in a very WDIS, er, Draft kind of post…
in one of my FFPC 1QB (TE-P) leagues, I’m trying to finish my rebuild.
My roster:
QB: Herbert
RB: Walker, JWilliams, Allgeier, Herbert, Carter
WR: Olave, Pittman, Toney, Palmer, Cooks, Shakir, Claypool
TE: Andrews
and I hold the 1.1, 1.6, 1.8, 2.6, 2.7
Obviously, I welcome Bijan to my team…and already roster his handcuff (glass half full)
At the 1.6 and 1.8, I have a few ways to go:
- Grab the last WR of the “big 4”
- Go rookie RB, either Charbs (to pair with my Walker) or Achane.
- Kincaid at 1.6 (or Mayer at 1.8?)
before the NFL draft, grabbing a TE wasn’t even on my radar and I was just gonna grab whoever remained from this TE clas at my 2.6/2.7 picks. But now…that sure has changed. I think I also have to grab Kincaid at 1.6 and then take Charbs at 1.8, and grab whatever remains at RB or WR (or another rookie TE) in the 2nd.
thoughts? What would you smart people do?
in one of my FFPC 1QB (TE-P) leagues, I’m trying to finish my rebuild.
My roster:
QB: Herbert
RB: Walker, JWilliams, Allgeier, Herbert, Carter
WR: Olave, Pittman, Toney, Palmer, Cooks, Shakir, Claypool
TE: Andrews
and I hold the 1.1, 1.6, 1.8, 2.6, 2.7
Obviously, I welcome Bijan to my team…and already roster his handcuff (glass half full)
At the 1.6 and 1.8, I have a few ways to go:
- Grab the last WR of the “big 4”
- Go rookie RB, either Charbs (to pair with my Walker) or Achane.
- Kincaid at 1.6 (or Mayer at 1.8?)
before the NFL draft, grabbing a TE wasn’t even on my radar and I was just gonna grab whoever remained from this TE clas at my 2.6/2.7 picks. But now…that sure has changed. I think I also have to grab Kincaid at 1.6 and then take Charbs at 1.8, and grab whatever remains at RB or WR (or another rookie TE) in the 2nd.
thoughts? What would you smart people do?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I could see this all being spot on, though I am a bit higher on Charbonnet than you.
I have the 2 backs as very coin flippy right now. Likely better short term value in Achane given the age/fragility if the backs in that RB room, so I would have no problem with anyone selecting Achane over Charbonet.
I do agree that Walker/Charbonet is going to be frustrating at least short term. And it’s hard to know what pony to bet on.
The pick definitely screwed Walker shareholders. In both my leagues the Walker shareholder dealt away RB depth because they thought they had a bona fide RB1, and now they’re both scrambling to deal for RBs.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not sure what the smart people would do, but here’s what I’d do:Here’s my dilemma and current decision making process written in a very WDIS, er, Draft kind of post…
in one of my FFPC 1QB (TE-P) leagues, I’m trying to finish my rebuild.
My roster:
QB: Herbert
RB: Walker, JWilliams, Allgeier, Herbert, Carter
WR: Olave, Pittman, Toney, Palmer, Cooks, Shakir, Claypool
TE: Andrews
and I hold the 1.1, 1.6, 1.8, 2.6, 2.7
Obviously, I welcome Bijan to my team…and already roster his handcuff (glass half full)
At the 1.6 and 1.8, I have a few ways to go:
- Grab the last WR of the “big 4”
- Go rookie RB, either Charbs (to pair with my Walker) or Achane.
- Kincaid at 1.6 (or Mayer at 1.8?)
before the NFL draft, grabbing a TE wasn’t even on my radar and I was just gonna grab whoever remained from this TE clas at my 2.6/2.7 picks. But now…that sure has changed. I think I also have to grab Kincaid at 1.6 and then take Charbs at 1.8, and grab whatever remains at RB or WR (or another rookie TE) in the 2nd.
thoughts? What would you smart people do?
Draft Bijan
Trade everything else for proven assets.
You got hosed multiple times with SEA, ATL & maybe also CHI all drafting quality RBs.
Try to package Walker + pick(s) for a true stud.
Try to package other picks for WRs. There’s value out there, and while you’re down on the draft, not every FF manager is.
You could easily sacrifice quantity for quality by consolidating those 6 & 8 and maybe also the 2.6 pick for near-elite WR/RB.
That’s what I’d try 1st. It’s basically what I did with 5 of my 7 picks (3, 4, 8, 10, 2.01) and I’m pretty happy with the results.
ETA: I’d hold Allgeier - his value got crushed but having the handcuff to your RB1 isn’t the worst idea, at least compared to the pennies on the dollar you’d get for him now.
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