RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (5 Viewers)

[Blick]

but I don't know how anyone can argue that they limit each other's upside.

That's the logical conclusion.

I think we’re missing an extra “not” or “dont’” in that sentence for it to mean what I think you’re agreeing with

“I don’t know how anyone can argue that they DON’T limit each other’s upside”

I interpret it that no one can argue it (that they limit each other's upside) - because it's obvious they do, but it could have been worded more clearly.

cool. We’re on the same page with the intent of that statement, then. Just making sure

Sorry. I meant...

If you think you're going to get high end fantasy production out of either of these guys, you're likely wrong (health dependent of course). "High end" meaning Walker's production from last year.

 

[Payne]

but I don't know how anyone can argue that they limit each other's upside.

That's the logical conclusion.

I think we’re missing an extra “not” or “dont’” in that sentence for it to mean what I think you’re agreeing with

“I don’t know how anyone can argue that they DON’T limit each other’s upside”

I interpret it that no one can argue it (that they limit each other's upside) - because it's obvious they do, but it could have been worded more clearly.

cool. We’re on the same page with the intent of that statement, then. Just making sure

Sorry. I meant...

If you think you're going to get high end fantasy production out of either of these guys, you're likely wrong (health dependent of course). "High end" meaning Walker's production from last year.

If you consider Walker's production "high end" last year, I question why some would think he is in for such a drastic drop.

I do believe Walker will return high end numbers. He's the better RB and I have seen Pete ride a veteran time and time again.
I see Zach as somebody they couldn't pass up in the 2nd round. He will steal some catches and some carries, but with this offense and the fact Walker can take it the distance every single time, I'm comfortable with my stance.

 

[ghostguy123]

Walker went pick 4.05 in my current 1 QB startup.

 

[TripItUp]

If you consider Walker's production "high end" last year, I question why some would think he is in for such a drastic drop.

I do believe Walker will return high end numbers. He's the better RB and I have seen Pete ride a veteran time and time again.
I see Zach as somebody they couldn't pass up in the 2nd round. He will steal some catches and some carries, but with this offense and the fact Walker can take it the distance every single time, I'm comfortable with my stance.

 

[Blick]

but I don't know how anyone can argue that they limit each other's upside.

That's the logical conclusion.

I think we’re missing an extra “not” or “dont’” in that sentence for it to mean what I think you’re agreeing with

“I don’t know how anyone can argue that they DON’T limit each other’s upside”

I interpret it that no one can argue it (that they limit each other's upside) - because it's obvious they do, but it could have been worded more clearly.

cool. We’re on the same page with the intent of that statement, then. Just making sure

Sorry. I meant...

If you think you're going to get high end fantasy production out of either of these guys, you're likely wrong (health dependent of course). "High end" meaning Walker's production from last year.

If you consider Walker's production "high end" last year, I question why some would think he is in for such a drastic drop.

I do believe Walker will return high end numbers. He's the better RB and I have seen Pete ride a veteran time and time again.
I see Zach as somebody they couldn't pass up in the 2nd round. He will steal some catches and some carries, but with this offense and the fact Walker can take it the distance every single time, I'm comfortable with my stance.

Given how little competition he had after Penny went out, how can you expect an increase or even the same production after they spend 2nd round capital on Charbonnet? From week 5 on he was 11th in PPR scoring.

He’s current going at RB 16 in redraft and 9 in dynasty. Given that both he and Charbonnet will be on rookie deals for the next 3 years, I’m not ready to spend RB 9 value to get him. I think his redraft value is the price I’d be comfortable paying.

I could see Walker starting hot then being in a timeshare by mid season.

 

[TripItUp]

I could see Walker starting hot then being in a timeshare by mid season.

My best guess how it breaks down assuming both remain healthy(which is unlikely)

They split 70/30 favoring Walker to start and that ratio varies slightly from game to game based on health/opponent/gamescript etc. etc.

This is based on my opinion that Charbonnet is not in Walker's class as a pure runner.

 

[joey]

The more back-and-forth and what-ifs I read in this thread, plus thinking of the injury rate for RBs in general, I’m happier every day about using my 1.8 on Charbs in the league where I also roster Walker.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The more back-and-forth and what-ifs I read in this thread, plus thinking of the injury rate for RBs in general, I’m happier every day about using my 1.8 on Charbs in the league where I also roster Walker.

That’s also something getting lost - although they both lose some value being together, RBs do get hurt and if/when one does, the other is a potential league winner. Deejay Dallas is decent enough but won’t push for as many snaps - maybe McIntosh?

 

[Payne]

The more back-and-forth and what-ifs I read in this thread, plus thinking of the injury rate for RBs in general, I’m happier every day about using my 1.8 on Charbs in the league where I also roster Walker.

You should be happy. That is sound drafting.

 

[Faust]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

 

[Faust]

Seahawks RB Zach Charbonnet is out indefinitely with a shoulder injury.

Ken Walker, meanwhile, has a groin issue. What was supposed to be one of the hottest training camp competitions is now at a standstill, leaving DeeJay Dallas and rookie Kenny McIntosh to absorb reps. It’s worse news for Charbonnet, as coach Pete Carroll made it sound like he had the longer timeline. That, combined with Charbonnet’s rookie status suddenly has him looking like a dicey early-season bet. Charbonnet should not be considered likely to make a September re-draft impact, at least until we get a positive injury update.

 

[Weebs210]

Indefinitely could mean two days. No point to panic until doctors asses.

 

[TripItUp]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

I could not disagree more with both of these articles, but they are blessings for those of us looking to buy Walker on the dip. Push those Walker prices down baby!!

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

 

[Weebs210]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Indefinitely could mean two days. No point to panic until doctors asses.

Is he going to see a proctologist?

 

[Weebs210]

Indefinitely could mean two days. No point to panic until doctors asses.

Is he going to see a proctologist?

You never know it could be his shoulder and his ***. But yeah assess

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Indefinitely could mean two days. No point to panic until doctors asses.

Is he going to see a proctologist?

You never know it could be his shoulder and his ***. But yeah assess

Sorry, I couldn't pass up the bottom feeding humor.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Groins can be touchy

 

[Payne]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

I've tried arguing this in both threads.

 

[Payne]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

I've asked this before with no answer, how good would Charb had done last year behind that same line? You can't answer it. In fact, maybe he would have done worse. You don't know.

I love how everyone just assumes he would have done better than Walker did in those situations. When in reality, nobody knows.

 

[Payne]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

 

[The Finist]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

 

[Weebs210]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

Thank you. I enjoy a good afternoon chuckle.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

Thank you. I enjoy a good afternoon chuckle.

The notion that the Seahawks spent a 2nd round pick on Charbs to not actually fill a glaring need is what’s humorous to me.

Walker was factually, statistically one of the worst situational RB in the league, bottom 5 in efficiency & expected yards. He was not a good short yardage back, and not a great receiver.

Which is why they spent that 2nd on Charbonnet.

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day, so he’s not exactly either right now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day,

Yeah, right now Walker, as an incumbent, could probably afford to lose practice time more than a rookie like Charbonet - but I'm not sure how either player being hurt already is a good thing for that player and since both are injured it's not really necessarily a good thing for the competition either.

 

[Payne]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

Fine with me. I just want Walker.

 

[Payne]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

Thank you. I enjoy a good afternoon chuckle.

The notion that the Seahawks spent a 2nd round pick on Charbs to not actually fill a glaring need is what’s humorous to me.

Walker was factually, statistically one of the worst situational RB in the league, bottom 5 in efficiency & expected yards. He was not a good short yardage back, and not a great receiver.

Which is why they spent that 2nd on Charbonnet.

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day, so he’s not exactly either right now.

I will ask this for maybe the 100th time, can you say Charbs would have been any better last year behind that line? The answer is you can't. In fact, he may have been worse. That is also a fact.

And no, that is not why they spent a 2nd rounder on Charb. It's because they had a need for depth behind Walker. If they LOVED Charb, why didn't they take him with their first 2nd round pick?

And last time Walker had "a little groin thing" he rushed for over 1,000 yards as a rookie and averaged 4.6 yards per carry.

 

[Payne]

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day,

Yeah, right now Walker, as an incumbent, could probably afford to lose practice time more than a rookie like Charbonet - but I'm not sure how either player being hurt already is a good thing for that player and since both are injured it's not really necessarily a good thing for the competition either.

A few reports make it seem like the injury to Walker isn't bad. Sounds like more of a precaution.

 

[Da Franchise]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

And of course there is going to be a split. Nobody is arguing that.

Just don't be surprised if it's with McIntosh and Charbs is more rb3 on this team.

Thank you. I enjoy a good afternoon chuckle.

The notion that the Seahawks spent a 2nd round pick on Charbs to not actually fill a glaring need is what’s humorous to me.

Walker was factually, statistically one of the worst situational RB in the league, bottom 5 in efficiency & expected yards. He was not a good short yardage back, and not a great receiver.

Which is why they spent that 2nd on Charbonnet.

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day, so he’s not exactly either right now.

I will ask this for maybe the 100th time, can you say Charbs would have been any better last year behind that line? The answer is you can't. In fact, he may have been worse. That is also a fact.

And no, that is not why they spent a 2nd rounder on Charb. It's because they had a need for depth behind Walker. If they LOVED Charb, why didn't they take him with their first 2nd round pick?

And last time Walker had "a little groin thing" he rushed for over 1,000 yards as a rookie and averaged 4.6 yards per carry.

Here’s the thing about dynasty…it requires you to piece things together without “knowing” everything. Unless you don’t want to be any good at it.

 

[dkp993]

Why Zach Charbonnet will wind up starting for Seahawks in 2023

Seahawks 90-Man Countdown: RB Zach Charbonnet - Feature Back?

The disrespect to Walker this off-season is going to be discussed for years to come. People are forgetting how talented he is.

It's not disrespect. He was statically bad at getting stuffed for no gains, short yardage, not the best receiver...all stuff Charb is good at. If both healthy there is going to be some type of split.

I've asked this before with no answer, how good would Charb had done last year behind that same line? You can't answer it. In fact, maybe he would have done worse. You don't know.

I love how everyone just assumes he would have done better than Walker did in those situations. When in reality, nobody knows.

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That Charbonnet has an injured shoulder doesn’t change that. It might delay the inevitable if the injury is worse than expected, but that timeshare is coming.

ETA: the last time Walker had a “little groin thing” he ended up having hernia surgery the next day,

Yeah, right now Walker, as an incumbent, could probably afford to lose practice time more than a rookie like Charbonet - but I'm not sure how either player being hurt already is a good thing for that player and since both are injured it's not really necessarily a good thing for the competition either.

A few reports make it seem like the injury to Walker isn't bad. Sounds like more of a precaution.

If you’re taking anything Pete “Pollyanna” Carroll says without huge grains of salt, you should probably go look at his history of commenting on injuries.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

 

[dkp993]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

 

[The Finist]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

Sea wanted depth. They threw a bunch at the wall just in the wrong order. Charbs is meat puppet who did well in chip Kelly's known cfb offensive system against a weak pac10.
GL to all the charb truthers it's hilarious to sharks

 

[Weebs210]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

Sea wanted depth. They threw a bunch at the wall just in the wrong order. Charbs is meat puppet who did well in chip Kelly's known cfb offensive system against a weak pac10.
GL to all the charb truthers it's hilarious to sharks

It's funny watching a walrus thinking he's a shark.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

Sea wanted depth. They threw a bunch at the wall just in the wrong order. Charbs is meat puppet who did well in chip Kelly's known cfb offensive system against a weak pac10.
GL to all the charb truthers it's hilarious to sharks

I’m hardly a “Charbs truther”

I have zero shares across 4 leagues.

Protip: people who call themselves sharks and attempt to speak for others, aren’t.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think he could be both depth, but also depth that serves a purpose. We won’t know anything for a while now, maybe? but this was a RBBC that actually made sense from an NFL perspective that maybe even works for Fantasy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think he could be both depth, but also depth that serves a purpose. We won’t know anything for a while now, maybe? but this was a RBBC that actually made sense from an NFL perspective that maybe even works for Fantasy.

Agreed.

 

[The Finist]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

Sea wanted depth. They threw a bunch at the wall just in the wrong order. Charbs is meat puppet who did well in chip Kelly's known cfb offensive system against a weak pac10.
GL to all the charb truthers it's hilarious to sharks

I’m hardly a “Charbs truther”

I have zero shares across 4 leagues.

Protip: people who call themselves sharks and attempt to speak for others, aren’t.

Isn't that what you did when telling us why sea drafted charbs?


Real sharks know. GL

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

No but it seems to be the standard he’s being held up to. Dude was sensational as a rookie and will absolutely assuredly improve on his weaknesses in year 2.

And while your draft capital argument holds water for the vast majority of head coaches and general managers in the league it simply doesn’t for Seattle. They have no compunction about adding to the running back room at any time, regardless of who they have on the field.

But the fact is he was inefficient and had way too many plays of 0 or negative yards.

Again, not saying, he hast to be perfect, but he needed to be better than he was. But he wasn’t, so the Seahawks drafted someone who could do those things better than he could.

This doesn’t seem that complicated, nor is it in any way an insult to Walker. It is what it is.

Sea wanted depth. They threw a bunch at the wall just in the wrong order. Charbs is meat puppet who did well in chip Kelly's known cfb offensive system against a weak pac10.
GL to all the charb truthers it's hilarious to sharks

I’m hardly a “Charbs truther”

I have zero shares across 4 leagues.

Protip: people who call themselves sharks and attempt to speak for others, aren’t.

Isn't that what you did when telling us why sea drafted charbs?


Real sharks know. GL

I don’t know what you mean. I have an opinion about it & expressed it. If you wanna make it weird, I guess we’re done here.

Best of luck to you this upcoming season.

 

[TripItUp]

Walker was factually, statistically one of the worst situational RB in the league, bottom 5 in efficiency & expected yards. He was not a good short yardage back, and not a great receiver.

A) those stats don't account for god awful line play, efficiency suffers when the O line sucks

B) It took the Seahawks over half a season to realize that they should be man blocking not zone blocking for Walker, and then all of sudden efficiency improved once they increased man blocking schemes...which is the only blocking Walker rushed with in college

C) he was a rookie and the vast majority of great RBs improve year 2, assuming he can't improve on any perceived weaknesses seems very odd to me

D) the O Line is improved so Walker's efficiency should improve

I'm not sure how you could have watched Walker last year and not conclude he is one of the best pure runners in the game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not sure how you could have watched Walker last year and not conclude he is one of the best pure runners in the game.

I didn’t say he wasn’t.

I think he’s a fine RB. You’ve never seen me bash Walker.

But Walkers game has holes, and IMO Seattle/Carroll drafted a dude to bridge the gaps in his game.

Walker’s super talented. Love the guy.

 

[Lansdowne]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

Why not? The Seahawks did it with Penny when they took him 1st round, and didn’t start him until his 4th pro season (I get that he missed a lot of time to injury, but it took until his 31st game played to start and only after Carson got hurt.) I’m sure they didn’t draft him that high with the intention of not starting him eventually, but Carroll sure took his sweet time giving Penny the keys to the car, and that unfortunately didn’t last long for him either after fracturing his tibia last year.

(I was tempted to mention Walker as a second rounder last year, but I thought it was obvious he was brought in with the mind that Penny was in a walk year and would either be priced out or too injury prone to trust for another season.)

There’s also AJ Dillon in the second round in 2020, who everyone is STILL waiting to overtake Aaron Jones. Dillon had the draft capital of a starter but has only started 5 out of 45 games played. He was a luxury pick then, and remains one now.

Ameer Abdullah went second round in 2015. Has he been anything BUT a depth piece in his career? How about Giovani Bernard in 2013? History is full of guys taken around where Charbs has been taken who were treated as depth. That’s not to say that’ll be his fate either. But it wouldn’t be the first time a team, with an established RB1, took another RB high in the draft and used him almost strictly as a backup.

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

@Hot Sauce Guy I appreciate your takes in these Seattle RB threads. As a Walker holder and member of the K9 fan club my first instinct is to write you off as a hater since you are a Niners fan and you are secretly afraid of Walker running wild on your team and keeping you out of the playoffs . Then I let my emotions simmer down and appreciate the input, even if I disagree with your assessment of Walker. It is good to have arguments on both sides of a player to help us look more objectively at the situation. I tend to look at all of my guys through the rosiest of glasses.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@Hot Sauce Guy I appreciate your takes in these Seattle RB threads. As a Walker holder and member of the K9 fan club my first instinct is to write you off as a hater since you are a Niners fan and you are secretly afraid of Walker running wild on your team and keeping you out of the playoffs . Then I let my emotions simmer down and appreciate the input, even if I disagree with your assessment of Walker. It is good to have arguments on both sides of a player to help us look more objectively at the situation. I tend to look at all of my guys through the rosiest of glasses.

Definitely not a hater.

Just a dude who likes football trying to make my best guess at why SEA brought in a 2nd round RB.

I’m so old I still think of the Seahawks as the Raiders rivals.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also it was KW3’s rookie season, dude gets no pass for not being perfect? I just don’t get it.

No one’s saying he had to be perfect.

Not one of us have made that statement.

But if he was better in short yardage; better at not having 0 or negative rushing plays; better in the receiving game, Seattle wouldn’t have spent a 2nd on Charbonnet.

I will never, ever be convinced that sort of draft capital would ever be spent by a team on a “depth” pick.
Cmon

Why not? The Seahawks did it with Penny when they took him 1st round, and didn’t start him until his 4th pro season (I get that he missed a lot of time to injury, but it took until his 31st game played to start and only after Carson got hurt.) I’m sure they didn’t draft him that high with the intention of not starting him eventually, but Carroll sure took his sweet time giving Penny the keys to the car, and that unfortunately didn’t last long for him either after fracturing his tibia last year.

(I was tempted to mention Walker as a second rounder last year, but I thought it was obvious he was brought in with the mind that Penny was in a walk year and would either be priced out or too injury prone to trust for another season.)

There’s also AJ Dillon in the second round in 2020, who everyone is STILL waiting to overtake Aaron Jones. Dillon had the draft capital of a starter but has only started 5 out of 45 games played. He was a luxury pick then, and remains one now.

Ameer Abdullah went second round in 2015. Has he been anything BUT a depth piece in his career? How about Giovani Bernard in 2013? History is full of guys taken around where Charbs has been taken who were treated as depth. That’s not to say that’ll be his fate either. But it wouldn’t be the first time a team, with an established RB1, took another RB high in the draft and used him almost strictly as a backup.

I believe they brought in Penny to be 1B to Carson, but he kept getting hurt.

When penny was healthy he got plenty of run, rare as it was.

If Walker & Charbs are both healthy they compliment each other well. Which I’m pretty sure was the entire plan.

 

[TripItUp]

I think they brought in Charbonnet to add RB depth, but I also believe they are going to be disappointed with Charbonnet's production.

That being said, he is a good pass blocker.

 

[rockaction]

I guess you have to have a flag planted on a situation that nobody could possibly know because it's all in the GM and Pete Carroll's heads what they're going to do with these guys. Anybody claiming they know can't possibly know.

Not that you guys are doing that. You're making educated guesses. But where there's certitude creeping in, there seems to be fallacious thinking.