Real Collusion (1 Viewer)

[Amused to Death]

A lot of people jumping on the OP here. Let's keep one thing in mind; he did not initiate the situation. This was a friends league and I can understand not having provisions for collusion in the rules. They should be there, but I'm sure it was a case of "we'll never have to worry about it". Now they do unfortunately and its by no fault of the OP.

If the information being provided here is correct (and its all we have to go on), the 2 owners provided no explanation for the trade. Not even a weak one. So let's stop trying to justify it because even the cheaters didn't try to justify it. It was collusion. Given that, the league voted unanimously, the commish didn't act alone. In a lot of leagues, collusion is the worst offense you can commit and its understood among long-time players. Some may have reacted differently and that's your prerogative if you'r ever faced with it. This league put it to a vote and the decision was unanimous. The cheaters are out, they don't get their money back and will probably never play in leagues with this group of owners again. Everyone involved will move forward with the consequences. No need for pissing war, imo.

This isn't true. In the first post, he said the 6-4 team defended the trade. He failed to provide their logic/rationale, but he did say that they defended it.

The 3-7 team didn't reply to anyone. Again, while this MAY be the sign of a person who is guilty of collusion, it just as easily could be the sign of a disinterested owner who doesn't care enough to stay in contact, or avoid making crappy trades. The OP assumes it is the first possibility, but it just as easily could be the second.

This is the most important. This guy needs to explain how the trade improves his team. He didn't. No one else can make excuses for him when he won't do it himself. He was active enough to make a trade, he needs to speak up. Friends aren't suddenly disinterested to the point of silence when being accused of collusion. Only he can defend himself and he's chosen not to.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of people jumping on the OP here. Let's keep one thing in mind; he did not initiate the situation. This was a friends league and I can understand not having provisions for collusion in the rules. They should be there, but I'm sure it was a case of "we'll never have to worry about it". Now they do unfortunately and its by no fault of the OP.

If the information being provided here is correct (and its all we have to go on), the 2 owners provided no explanation for the trade. Not even a weak one. So let's stop trying to justify it because even the cheaters didn't try to justify it. It was collusion. Given that, the league voted unanimously, the commish didn't act alone. In a lot of leagues, collusion is the worst offense you can commit and its understood among long-time players. Some may have reacted differently and that's your prerogative if you'r ever faced with it. This league put it to a vote and the decision was unanimous. The cheaters are out, they don't get their money back and will probably never play in leagues with this group of owners again. Everyone involved will move forward with the consequences. No need for pissing war, imo.

This isn't true. In the first post, he said the 6-4 team defended the trade. He failed to provide their logic/rationale, but he did say that they defended it.

The 3-7 team didn't reply to anyone. Again, while this MAY be the sign of a person who is guilty of collusion, it just as easily could be the sign of a disinterested owner who doesn't care enough to stay in contact, or avoid making crappy trades. The OP assumes it is the first possibility, but it just as easily could be the second.

This is the most important. This guy needs to explain how the trade improves his team. He didn't. No one else can make excuses for him when he won't do it himself. He was active enough to make a trade, he needs to speak up. Friends aren't suddenly disinterested to the point of silence when being accused of collusion. Only he can defend himself and he's chosen not to.

Well based on how quickly the OP got the result he wanted in this thread (1 hour). How long did he wait for a response from the 3-7 owner?

 

[Bayhawks]

If a team is 3-7 and basically eliminated, why do they get their money back? Love the rationale on this one... BTW, hasn't complained one bit either.

What about the 6-4 team? If you reversed the trade and kept the two teams in the league, he perhaps gets into the playoffs. Explain your rationale for keeping his money too.

Are you conceding that the 3-7 team should forfeit his money? I'll answer yours happily, please first answer mine.

Not to be childish, but why won't you answer the question unless he answers first?

Not to be childish, but I asked mine first... & from the response it looks like it was swept under the rug.

Okay, sorry I missed that the first time.

I'll ask again, however, without trolling or being argumentative:

1-What rules (if any) does your league have with regard to trades?

2-What are/were the rosters of the two teams involved in the trades?

3-Without knowing the answers to 1 & 2, I DO NOT concede that the 3-7 should forfeit his $400.

So, please answer my question:

Why doesn't the 6-4 team deserve a refund of his money?

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

You still haven't told us what rules your league has about trades.

You still haven't told us what their rosters were.

Why is that? You make it seem like there's something you don't want us to know, which gives credence to KCitons' earlier post where he said sometimes people only post partial information in order to get the replies that they are looking for. If that isn't what you are doing, please provide that information.

As for your comment:

"BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt."

You don't KNOW THIS. You think it (and it might actually be the case), but you don't know this. What was his rationale for the trade? How do you know he didn't try to throw out a lowball offer & the 3-7 owner didn't just accept it because he didn't care? If that's the case, he didn't try to #### the entire league.

Again, if you were trying to do this to me, you'd be giving me my $400 back. I'm not going to pay that much money to play FF, then be told "F### you, we're taking your money," especially if all I did was get lucky and have someone accept a lowball trade offer I threw out.

 

[Bayhawks]

If a team is 3-7 and basically eliminated, why do they get their money back? Love the rationale on this one... BTW, hasn't complained one bit either.

What about the 6-4 team? If you reversed the trade and kept the two teams in the league, he perhaps gets into the playoffs. Explain your rationale for keeping his money too.

Are you conceding that the 3-7 team should forfeit his money? I'll answer yours happily, please first answer mine.

Not to be childish, but why won't you answer the question unless he answers first?

Not to be childish, but I asked mine first... & from the response it looks like it was swept under the rug.

Okay, sorry I missed that the first time.

I'll ask again, however, without trolling or being argumentative:

1-What rules (if any) does your league have with regard to trades?

2-What are/were the rosters of the two teams involved in the trades?

3-Without knowing the answers to 1 & 2, I DO NOT concede that the 3-7 should forfeit his $400.

So, please answer my question:

Why doesn't the 6-4 team deserve a refund of his money?

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

 

[McGarnicle]

Next year at the draft everything goes along as normal. You've got the keg of beer, wings, etc. Everyone's wearing their favorite player's jersey and trading good-natured smack talk. Then the commish stands up and says "Okay, we need to discuss some business now". Instantly two guys run to the door, lock it and stand there with their arms crossed. "We had some collusion last year, friends...", and he takes out a shotgun from underneath the couch. "Pete, Bob, kneel here on the floor please. I'd like you both to explain that trade if you don't mind. The rest of these guys will vote on your fate." If either of them laugh, commish clocks them in the head with the butt of the shotgun.

I probably wouldn't actually shoot them, but this should get the point across.

 

[Bayhawks]

A lot of people jumping on the OP here. Let's keep one thing in mind; he did not initiate the situation. This was a friends league and I can understand not having provisions for collusion in the rules. They should be there, but I'm sure it was a case of "we'll never have to worry about it". Now they do unfortunately and its by no fault of the OP.

If the information being provided here is correct (and its all we have to go on), the 2 owners provided no explanation for the trade. Not even a weak one. So let's stop trying to justify it because even the cheaters didn't try to justify it. It was collusion. Given that, the league voted unanimously, the commish didn't act alone. In a lot of leagues, collusion is the worst offense you can commit and its understood among long-time players. Some may have reacted differently and that's your prerogative if you'r ever faced with it. This league put it to a vote and the decision was unanimous. The cheaters are out, they don't get their money back and will probably never play in leagues with this group of owners again. Everyone involved will move forward with the consequences. No need for pissing war, imo.

This isn't true. In the first post, he said the 6-4 team defended the trade. He failed to provide their logic/rationale, but he did say that they defended it.

The 3-7 team didn't reply to anyone. Again, while this MAY be the sign of a person who is guilty of collusion, it just as easily could be the sign of a disinterested owner who doesn't care enough to stay in contact, or avoid making crappy trades. The OP assumes it is the first possibility, but it just as easily could be the second.

This is the most important. This guy needs to explain how the trade improves his team. He didn't. No one else can make excuses for him when he won't do it himself. He was active enough to make a trade, he needs to speak up. Friends aren't suddenly disinterested to the point of silence when being accused of collusion. Only he can defend himself and he's chosen not to.

You're making assumptions that we can't be sure of. Maybe his cell phone broke, maybe his GF/wife was cheating on him & he doesn't really care about FF right now. Maybe he's pissed at his "friends" who have accused him of cheating, stolen his money, and kicked him out of the league. As noted, the OP made his decision about what to do within a very short time of posting this thread. It's not like he gave the 3-7 owner a lot of time to explain himself.

Again, I'm still waiting for a response about the league rules. Unless they say "collusion forfeits your entrance fee," the OP has no right/legal standing to keep their money.

 

[lod01]

If a team is 3-7 and basically eliminated, why do they get their money back? Love the rationale on this one... BTW, hasn't complained one bit either.

What about the 6-4 team? If you reversed the trade and kept the two teams in the league, he perhaps gets into the playoffs. Explain your rationale for keeping his money too.

Are you conceding that the 3-7 team should forfeit his money? I'll answer yours happily, please first answer mine.

Not to be childish, but why won't you answer the question unless he answers first?

Not to be childish, but I asked mine first... & from the response it looks like it was swept under the rug.

Okay, sorry I missed that the first time.

I'll ask again, however, without trolling or being argumentative:

1-What rules (if any) does your league have with regard to trades?

2-What are/were the rosters of the two teams involved in the trades?

3-Without knowing the answers to 1 & 2, I DO NOT concede that the 3-7 should forfeit his $400.

So, please answer my question:

Why doesn't the 6-4 team deserve a refund of his money?

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

 

[Bayhawks]

If a team is 3-7 and basically eliminated, why do they get their money back? Love the rationale on this one... BTW, hasn't complained one bit either.

What about the 6-4 team? If you reversed the trade and kept the two teams in the league, he perhaps gets into the playoffs. Explain your rationale for keeping his money too.

Are you conceding that the 3-7 team should forfeit his money? I'll answer yours happily, please first answer mine.

Not to be childish, but why won't you answer the question unless he answers first?

Not to be childish, but I asked mine first... & from the response it looks like it was swept under the rug.

Okay, sorry I missed that the first time.

I'll ask again, however, without trolling or being argumentative:

1-What rules (if any) does your league have with regard to trades?

2-What are/were the rosters of the two teams involved in the trades?

3-Without knowing the answers to 1 & 2, I DO NOT concede that the 3-7 should forfeit his $400.

So, please answer my question:

Why doesn't the 6-4 team deserve a refund of his money?

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

 

[KCitons]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

Now you're done?

 

[lod01]

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

That's illogical. The 3-7 would have nothing to gain with your statement. See how logic works?

 

[KCitons]

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

That's illogical. The 3-7 would have nothing to gain with your statement. See how logic works?

But, we never heard what the rest of the rosters looked like. So we can't assume every 3-7 team is making an illogical trade

 

[Bayhawks]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?

You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

 

[Bayhawks]

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

That's illogical. The 3-7 would have nothing to gain with your statement. See how logic works?

They would have nothing to lose, either by my statement. If they don't make trades, they are already "out of it," (which is why collusion is being argued). Therefore, giving his players away, doesn't cost him anything. See how logic works? My argument is just as logical as yours, so you can't "guarantee" that your argument is right, anymore than I can argue that mine is right.

 

[Insein]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

I think people have no problem with kicking them out if that's what you want. Its the keeping $800 that's an issue. That can be brought to small claims court and be ripped apart by a judge. No established rules for why the contract to play a game was voided and no refund given. You'd lose easily.

 

[KCitons]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

The OP had his mind made up already. We are all just patsies.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If a team is 3-7 and basically eliminated, why do they get their money back? Love the rationale on this one... BTW, hasn't complained one bit either.

What about the 6-4 team? If you reversed the trade and kept the two teams in the league, he perhaps gets into the playoffs. Explain your rationale for keeping his money too.

Are you conceding that the 3-7 team should forfeit his money? I'll answer yours happily, please first answer mine.

No I didn't. I said that I thought you should have reversed the trade, and that taking money away from either person was total BS. If you think these guys made a shady deal, reverse the trade, and don't invite them back, no harm, no foul.

You on the other hand, defended your action by saying that the 3-7 team was basically eliminated and shouldn't get a refund, but have yet to say why the 6-4 owner deserved to have his money forfeited in the midst of the playoff hunt. We await your reply.

 

[KCitons]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

I thought you left?

 

[KCitons]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

Exactly my point. If you could slow down for a second you would see that other people may read this thread. They may be able to use your experience to learn something and make their home league better.

BTW, I would say it to your face. Maybe you would punch me and then my kid would have a large bank account.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

And your comment about the casinos, also, is wrong. My understanding is that generally card counters are told to leave, cash in their chips, and told not to come back again. In this case would be the equivalent of telling the "Colluders" that you see that absent an explanation that their trade was BS, reverse it to equal the playing field, and that they are not welcome back the following year.

 

[lod01]

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

That's illogical. The 3-7 would have nothing to gain with your statement. See how logic works?

They would have nothing to lose, either by my statement. If they don't make trades, they are already "out of it," (which is why collusion is being argued). Therefore, giving his players away, doesn't cost him anything. See how logic works? My argument is just as logical as yours, so you can't "guarantee" that your argument is right, anymore than I can argue that mine is right.

Ok, at best you get 0.01% chance of being right. I get the 99.99%. That will satisfy the 'guarantee'.

 

[Bayhawks]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

I wasn't insulting you, it was a serious question. The "I'm losing this argument, so I'm not going to talk anymore" is what my wife does, therefore I am curious as to whether you are male or female. If I wanted to insult you, I would have used an offensive term like "b##h" or "h#3" or something to that effect. Since that wasn't my intent, I wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way. Obviously if we were face to face, I wouldn't need to ask you if you were a woman.

You saying "we reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue" rings very false. If that was the case, you wouldn't have posted the thread in the first place, you wouldn't have come and posted your resolution after it had been reached, and you wouldn't have continued to post after you posted about the resolution. Therefore the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you can't defend your position anymore, so you are going to stop talking about it, and are using the "no need to endlessly argue" line to cover that up. You could very effectively end this argument by providing the information that has been asked for. If it supports your conclusion and decision, the argument would be over.

 

[McGarnicle]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

The OP had his mind made up already. We are all just patsies.

There is no doubt that it is collusion. The only question is how to handle it which is what the thread is about.

 

[Bayhawks]

BC he tried to #### the entire league... He was grabbing a few extra cards while everyone else was playing the hands they were dealt.

If you go into a casino and are caught cheating (and there is no court of law in a casino), you'll be going home empty handed... I think it is even worse trying to stack the deck against a group of friends.

That is my opinion, and honestly I don't care if people here disagree, maybe a higher tolerance to cheating in your leagues... We voted and all agreed on the punishment - Only 1-10 has contested, & if he wasn't a dbag none of this would have happened.

I'll guarantee you they planned on splitting the winnings.

You can't do that, unless you were one of them.

Sure I can. Logic my friend. Logic.

Okay, then. I can guarantee that they didn't plan on splitting the winnings.

That's illogical. The 3-7 would have nothing to gain with your statement. See how logic works?

They would have nothing to lose, either by my statement. If they don't make trades, they are already "out of it," (which is why collusion is being argued). Therefore, giving his players away, doesn't cost him anything. See how logic works? My argument is just as logical as yours, so you can't "guarantee" that your argument is right, anymore than I can argue that mine is right.

Ok, at best you get 0.01% chance of being right. I get the 99.99%. That will satisfy the 'guarantee'.

Where are you pulling these made-up numbers from? Just because you decide something to be true, doesn't make it so.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

I wasn't insulting you, it was a serious question. The "I'm losing this argument, so I'm not going to talk anymore" is what my wife does, therefore I am curious as to whether you are male or female. If I wanted to insult you, I would have used an offensive term like "b##h" or "h#3" or something to that effect. Since that wasn't my intent, I wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way. Obviously if we were face to face, I wouldn't need to ask you if you were a woman.You saying "we reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue" rings very false. If that was the case, you wouldn't have posted the thread in the first place, you wouldn't have come and posted your resolution after it had been reached, and you wouldn't have continued to post after you posted about the resolution. Therefore the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you can't defend your position anymore, so you are going to stop talking about it, and are using the "no need to endlessly argue" line to cover that up. You could very effectively end this argument by providing the information that has been asked for. If it supports your conclusion and decision, the argument would be over.

How do their rosters change the situation? please name any scenario where Fitz > Green, BJGE > Moreno, Injured Cutler > Wilson

 

[KCitons]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

The OP had his mind made up already. We are all just patsies.

There is no doubt that it is collusion. The only question is how to handle it which is what the thread is about.

It seems like collusion, but the title suggests that all other collusion threads were fake. This one is real.

It speaks to the mindset of the OP from the beginning. He telling us more than he asked. Which is why I pointed out his statement in his first post.

"Honestly, friends or no friends I want them out and disqualified.."

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

I wasn't insulting you, it was a serious question. The "I'm losing this argument, so I'm not going to talk anymore" is what my wife does, therefore I am curious as to whether you are male or female. If I wanted to insult you, I would have used an offensive term like "b##h" or "h#3" or something to that effect. Since that wasn't my intent, I wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way. Obviously if we were face to face, I wouldn't need to ask you if you were a woman.You saying "we reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue" rings very false. If that was the case, you wouldn't have posted the thread in the first place, you wouldn't have come and posted your resolution after it had been reached, and you wouldn't have continued to post after you posted about the resolution. Therefore the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you can't defend your position anymore, so you are going to stop talking about it, and are using the "no need to endlessly argue" line to cover that up. You could very effectively end this argument by providing the information that has been asked for. If it supports your conclusion and decision, the argument would be over.

How do their rosters change the situation? please name any scenario where Fitz > Green, BJGE > Moreno, Injured Cutler > Wilson

We await your response for why reversing a trade and kicking the guys out next is less desirable preferable to taking money from a 6-4 team that is very much in the playoff hunt.

 

[McGarnicle]

Only thing I would add -- when I was a commish I had 3 pages of rules typed up in a Word document which I sent to everyone before the draft. It covered every possible issue I could think of with an emphasis on trades. It explicitly stated that the commish had final veto power and stated how I would deal with suspected collusion (finish out the season, owners removed next year).

I think this would be especially important in a big stakes league. It would make guys think twice before trying something like this bogus trade for one, and secondly removes any ambiguity around whether someone should be DQ'd, forfeit league fees, etc.

 

[McGarnicle]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

The OP had his mind made up already. We are all just patsies.

There is no doubt that it is collusion. The only question is how to handle it which is what the thread is about.

It seems like collusion, but the title suggests that all other collusion threads were fake. This one is real.

It speaks to the mindset of the OP from the beginning. He telling us more than he asked. Which is why I pointed out his statement in his first post.

"Honestly, friends or no friends I want them out and disqualified.."

Most other collusion threads ask for opinions of a trade being possible collusion. Here he has established that collusion definitely has occurred (no other conclusion unless both owners are complete imbeciles which is not the case), stated what he would like to see happen, and asked us to weigh in on how we would handle it.

 

[Johnny Blood]

This "solution" is completely absurd. By OP's own admission the 3-7 team was not yet eliminated. But suppose OP is right and that team will be eliminated. Then some other team was going to take the last playoff spot. Now that team is out of the playoffs and can't win the pot.

Ridiculous!

I think people in this league should slow down their decisionmaking process and learn how to answer basic factual questions instead of only providing information that suits their own point of view. Even if OP is right, the refusal to answer the most elemental questions is wrong.

 

[KCitons]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

The OP had his mind made up already. We are all just patsies.

There is no doubt that it is collusion. The only question is how to handle it which is what the thread is about.

It seems like collusion, but the title suggests that all other collusion threads were fake. This one is real.

It speaks to the mindset of the OP from the beginning. He telling us more than he asked. Which is why I pointed out his statement in his first post.

"Honestly, friends or no friends I want them out and disqualified.."

Most other collusion threads ask for opinions of a trade being possible collusion. Here he has established that collusion definitely has occurred (no other conclusion unless both owners are complete imbeciles which is not the case), stated what he would like to see happen, and asked us to weigh in on how we would handle it.

OK, then why even post the players involved in the trade? Just come right out and say, "we have found two owners guilty of collusion. We have no rules to deal with trades, or dishonest owners. What do you suggest we do?"

Again, I point out that he had found his decision in less than an hour.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

This "solution" is completely absurd. By OP's own admission the 3-7 team was not yet eliminated. But suppose OP is right and that team will be eliminated. Then some other team was going to take the last playoff spot. Now that team is out of the playoffs and can't win the pot.

Ridiculous!

Agreed, if you were eliminating two teams from the playoffs, I don't see the harm in keeping the playoff structure as it was. Better for a team to get in that shouldn't have then for a team that deserved a spot to miss out because someone else cheated.

Hell, if I was in line for the 6th playoff spot, I may not have voted to disqualify them.

 

[Bayhawks]

I can't argue this anymore.

Some on this board think collusion is impossible, which you are entitled to think. When Megatron gets traded for Carson Palmer in your league, hopefully the owner just says "I lost interest, wasn't cheating just a bad deal."

I'm done.

You're kidding, right?You start a thread. Get defensive when one poster disagrees with you. Refuse to divulge any information other than what you decide is relevant. Claim the reason you won't divulge this information is because the other poster is "trolling" or "arguing just to argue." When a 2nd poster (me) asks for the information again, without being argumentative or a troll, you still refuse.

But you expect anyone to believe that you were being 100% straight forward about the circumstances of this event?

If that's the case, you stole those guys $800, and you would definitely be giving me my money back.

Seriously-I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, asking for more information, allowing that those guys might have been cheating, while also offering the possibility that you had gone too far. Your response is "I'm not talking about this any more." No disrespect intended, but are you a female? Because this is exactly what my wife does when she realizes she is wrong about something.

We reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue with a group of strangers. The situation sucks, but we reached an outcome that 8 of us agreed to as fair and only one has challenged.

No disrespect taken - A stranger on the Internet insulting me that wouldn't say it to my face, I've learned to not let these things bother me.

I wasn't insulting you, it was a serious question. The "I'm losing this argument, so I'm not going to talk anymore" is what my wife does, therefore I am curious as to whether you are male or female. If I wanted to insult you, I would have used an offensive term like "b##h" or "h#3" or something to that effect. Since that wasn't my intent, I wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way. Obviously if we were face to face, I wouldn't need to ask you if you were a woman.You saying "we reached a resolution, no need to endlessly argue" rings very false. If that was the case, you wouldn't have posted the thread in the first place, you wouldn't have come and posted your resolution after it had been reached, and you wouldn't have continued to post after you posted about the resolution. Therefore the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you can't defend your position anymore, so you are going to stop talking about it, and are using the "no need to endlessly argue" line to cover that up. You could very effectively end this argument by providing the information that has been asked for. If it supports your conclusion and decision, the argument would be over.

How do their rosters change the situation? please name any scenario where Fitz > Green, BJGE > Moreno, Injured Cutler > Wilson

In your own words, I'll be happy to answer your question after you answer mine.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Only thing I would add -- when I was a commish I had 3 pages of rules typed up in a Word document which I sent to everyone before the draft. It covered every possible issue I could think of with an emphasis on trades. It explicitly stated that the commish had final veto power and stated how I would deal with suspected collusion (finish out the season, owners removed next year).

I think this would be especially important in a big stakes league. It would make guys think twice before trying something like this bogus trade for one, and secondly removes any ambiguity around whether someone should be DQ'd, forfeit league fees, etc.

I do the same for my league (although mine hit 8 pages. I included the scoring system, in case I forgot to roll over a change, we would have a record of the official system).

Most people aren't going to read and remember every detail, or look at it at all, but when controversies come up, if you have a document you can refer to, it just gives you a firmer foundation to justify your decision.

 

[Amused to Death]

Only thing I would add -- when I was a commish I had 3 pages of rules typed up in a Word document which I sent to everyone before the draft. It covered every possible issue I could think of with an emphasis on trades. It explicitly stated that the commish had final veto power and stated how I would deal with suspected collusion (finish out the season, owners removed next year).

I think this would be especially important in a big stakes league. It would make guys think twice before trying something like this bogus trade for one, and secondly removes any ambiguity around whether someone should be DQ'd, forfeit league fees, etc.

I do the same for my league (although mine hit 8 pages. I included the scoring system, in case I forgot to roll over a change, we would have a record of the official system).

Most people aren't going to read and remember every detail, or look at it at all, but when controversies come up, if you have a document you can refer to, it just gives you a firmer foundation to justify your decision.

Absolutely every league should have some provision for collusion. Absent that, they had to deal in the present which unfortunately was collusion. Like I mentioned earlier, ours are written, but the penalty is pretty much exactly as this league chose to do. And all of our owners know it and agree to it.

 

[MattFancy]

I've got a good collusion case in one of my leagues. This is the 1st year of this keeper league. The commish's team is 2-8, he's pretty much done. His wife is 8-2 and in 1st place. He traded her Victor Cruz, Julius Thomas, and his 8th next year for Martellus Bennett and a 3rd next year. Now keep in mind, we can only keep 2 players and they can't be from the 1st 2 rounds or FAs. So Thomas wasn't drafted so he isn't keeper eligible.

Still this trade tilts way in favor of the team getting Cruz and Thomas. The reason I think it's even fishier is I offered the commish a 1st for those same 2 players and he turned it down. Something definitely seems off.

 

[TartanLion]

I guess I'll plop this one in here, because our league is having problems right now with two teams, and in my novices estimation, blatant blatant cheating is going on. Timeline of events....

10 team re-draft. First year of league.

Team A and B are work colleagues.

- Team A doesn't go online once from the draft to week six to operate on WW or fill in roster that has injured players. No response to multiple trade offers. Leaves bye players in his starting team.

- in week 6 team A goes online to accept a trade from Team B. He gives away Lynch for Bell and Snelling. Bell and Snelling go on bench where they remain to this day. Snelling was injured at time I think. Trade allowed.

- in week 7, team A goes online to accept two trades from team B - he gives away Jimmy Graham for Gates and then gives away Dez Bryant for Doug Baldwin. At this point league cries foul and trades are rejected.

- Team A doesn't come online once for the next five weeks. He gifts wins to opposition, sometimes having a roster of only five starting players. Team B wins some games and gets himself back to 5-5

- this week, Team A mysteriously comes online and makes WW moves. He also adds some players team B used to own. He comes online three times and each time Team B makes moves himself within the same hour. Team B has EIGHT players on a bye next week. He fills in his roster for the up coming crunch games where he plays team B playoff competitors. I sense something is afoot and notify the commissioner.

I mean this is all shady as ####, no ? Team A admits he never checks his team. Basically, the suspicion is that Team B has control of team A's account to do whatever he wants. He refuses to admit this though.

What do you do ?

 

[McGarnicle]

I've got a good collusion case in one of my leagues. This is the 1st year of this keeper league. The commish's team is 2-8, he's pretty much done. His wife is 8-2 and in 1st place. He traded her Victor Cruz, Julius Thomas, and his 8th next year for Martellus Bennett and a 3rd next year. Now keep in mind, we can only keep 2 players and they can't be from the 1st 2 rounds or FAs. So Thomas wasn't drafted so he isn't keeper eligible.

Still this trade tilts way in favor of the team getting Cruz and Thomas. The reason I think it's even fishier is I offered the commish a 1st for those same 2 players and he turned it down. Something definitely seems off.

It makes me sick that so many people are just fundamentally dishonest.

 

[KCitons]

I guess I'll plop this one in here, because our league is having problems right now with two teams, and in my novices estimation, blatant blatant cheating is going on. Timeline of events....

10 team re-draft. First year of league.

Team A and B are work colleagues.

- Team A doesn't go online once from the draft to week six to operate on WW or fill in roster that has injured players. No response to multiple trade offers. Leaves bye players in his starting team.

- in week 6 team A goes online to accept a trade from Team B. He gives away Lynch for Bell and Snelling. Bell and Snelling go on bench where they remain to this day. Snelling was injured at time I think. Trade allowed.

- in week 7, team A goes online to accept two trades from team B - he gives away Jimmy Graham for Gates and then gives away Dez Bryant for Doug Baldwin. At this point league cries foul and trades are rejected.

- Team A doesn't come online once for the next five weeks. He gifts wins to opposition, sometimes having a roster of only five starting players. Team B wins some games and gets himself back to 5-5

- this week, Team A mysteriously comes online and makes WW moves. He also adds some players team B used to own. He comes online three times and each time Team B makes moves himself within the same hour. Team B has EIGHT players on a bye next week. I sense something is afoot and notify the commissioner.

I mean this is all shady as ####, no ? Team A admits he never checks his team. Basically, the suspicion is that Team B has control of team A's account to do whatever he wants. He refuses to admit this though.

What do you do ?

I know it sucks for commissioners to write and owners to read. But, you have to have rules, rules, and more rules. In addition to pages of current rules, I keep a word doc with rule changes and tweaks for the following year. Most are things none of the other owners notice, but I see as being a potential problem in the future.

I also have inactive owner/tanking rules. Submitting a noncompetitive lineup multiple weeks will lead to an owner being warned, then penalized and then removed from the league.

 

[Legion of Doom]

The title of the thread speaks volumes "Real Collusion". Not, "need help, is this collusion?"

We are all just patsies.

Yep b/c "Reel Collusion" would have been too obvious..............eh.prolly not!

 

[TartanLion]

I guess I'll plop this one in here, because our league is having problems right now with two teams, and in my novices estimation, blatant blatant cheating is going on. Timeline of events....

10 team re-draft. First year of league.

Team A and B are work colleagues.

- Team A doesn't go online once from the draft to week six to operate on WW or fill in roster that has injured players. No response to multiple trade offers. Leaves bye players in his starting team.

- in week 6 team A goes online to accept a trade from Team B. He gives away Lynch for Bell and Snelling. Bell and Snelling go on bench where they remain to this day. Snelling was injured at time I think. Trade allowed.

- in week 7, team A goes online to accept two trades from team B - he gives away Jimmy Graham for Gates and then gives away Dez Bryant for Doug Baldwin. At this point league cries foul and trades are rejected.

- Team A doesn't come online once for the next five weeks. He gifts wins to opposition, sometimes having a roster of only five starting players. Team B wins some games and gets himself back to 5-5

- this week, Team A mysteriously comes online and makes WW moves. He also adds some players team B used to own. He comes online three times and each time Team B makes moves himself within the same hour. Team B has EIGHT players on a bye next week. I sense something is afoot and notify the commissioner.

I mean this is all shady as ####, no ? Team A admits he never checks his team. Basically, the suspicion is that Team B has control of team A's account to do whatever he wants. He refuses to admit this though.

What do you do ?

I know it sucks for commissioners to write and owners to read. But, you have to have rules, rules, and more rules. In addition to pages of current rules, I keep a word doc with rule changes and tweaks for the following year. Most are things none of the other owners notice, but I see as being a potential problem in the future. I also have inactive owner/tanking rules. Submitting a noncompetitive lineup multiple weeks will lead to an owner being warned, then penalized and then removed from the league.

Good advice, thanks. I'll get to making sure that happens

 

[KCitons]

I guess I'll plop this one in here, because our league is having problems right now with two teams, and in my novices estimation, blatant blatant cheating is going on. Timeline of events....

10 team re-draft. First year of league.

Team A and B are work colleagues.

- Team A doesn't go online once from the draft to week six to operate on WW or fill in roster that has injured players. No response to multiple trade offers. Leaves bye players in his starting team.

- in week 6 team A goes online to accept a trade from Team B. He gives away Lynch for Bell and Snelling. Bell and Snelling go on bench where they remain to this day. Snelling was injured at time I think. Trade allowed.

- in week 7, team A goes online to accept two trades from team B - he gives away Jimmy Graham for Gates and then gives away Dez Bryant for Doug Baldwin. At this point league cries foul and trades are rejected.

- Team A doesn't come online once for the next five weeks. He gifts wins to opposition, sometimes having a roster of only five starting players. Team B wins some games and gets himself back to 5-5

- this week, Team A mysteriously comes online and makes WW moves. He also adds some players team B used to own. He comes online three times and each time Team B makes moves himself within the same hour. Team B has EIGHT players on a bye next week. I sense something is afoot and notify the commissioner.

I mean this is all shady as ####, no ? Team A admits he never checks his team. Basically, the suspicion is that Team B has control of team A's account to do whatever he wants. He refuses to admit this though.

What do you do ?

I know it sucks for commissioners to write and owners to read. But, you have to have rules, rules, and more rules. In addition to pages of current rules, I keep a word doc with rule changes and tweaks for the following year. Most are things none of the other owners notice, but I see as being a potential problem in the future. I also have inactive owner/tanking rules. Submitting a noncompetitive lineup multiple weeks will lead to an owner being warned, then penalized and then removed from the league.

Good advice, thanks. I'll get to making sure that happens

Let me rephrase that , I'm not saying you need to write a book. But, every league must have rule/procedures to solve problems. Every year something unique will pop up. If there is no protocol to deal with it, that's when arguments start and leagues collapse.

 

[Phenix]

I say I hate stupid "collusion" threads.

Get him forum police!

 

[FF Wiseguy]

I've got a good collusion case in one of my leagues. This is the 1st year of this keeper league. The commish's team is 2-8, he's pretty much done. His wife is 8-2 and in 1st place. He traded her Victor Cruz, Julius Thomas, and his 8th next year for Martellus Bennett and a 3rd next year. Now keep in mind, we can only keep 2 players and they can't be from the 1st 2 rounds or FAs. So Thomas wasn't drafted so he isn't keeper eligible.

Still this trade tilts way in favor of the team getting Cruz and Thomas. The reason I think it's even fishier is I offered the commish a 1st for those same 2 players and he turned it down. Something definitely seems off.

I see where you're coming from, but I think the only basis for collusion is that a husband and wife traded with each other.

Let's break down the deal.

Wife gets

Victor Cruz - Big name, big first month of the season. Hasn't done much since then, at this point is a mid-level WR2 with potential to be better.

Julius Thomas - Great player this year. However, can't be kept, so is basically useless to husband.

8th round pick - Just okay, could go either way based on who it's used for.

Husband gets

Martellus Bennett - Currently TE9 in PPR. I'm presuming eligible to be kept. Without knowing the husband's roster, there's a chance Bennett is a potential keeper.

3rd round pick - Not as good as a 1st round pick next year in theory. But since you can't keep 1st and 2nd round picks, he gives himself a good chance at two top flight keepers for the year after. Easy to make the argument that in a keeper league, 3rd round is just as good as a 1st.

In my mind, the trade value alone passes the sniff test. You can say the wife clearly wins the trade, but I don't think it's completely lopsided as to completely upset the balance of the league.

So we go back to the issue that they are husband and wife. Let's say for argument's sake the deal you offered is better than the deal the husband took. Does that constitute collusion? Here, I'm not quite sure. He still took a deal that was beneficial to him, that was not absolutely lopsided.

I'm in a league with my fiance, but I help her with a lot of her moves, sometimes even logging in as her to make add/drops, set her lineup, etc. I made the decision from the start that we would never trade with each other. But that's just cause it's a friends league, and I want to avoid any potential controversy, since the money isn't enough to create the headache. But I'm not sure if it qualifies as collusion if both parties conduct a transaction where they both benefit, even if one benefits more than the other.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

We care this much about this?

 

[KCitons]

We care this much about this?

Actually yes. People cheating in a fantasy league is a growing concern. It can ruin a league if they are not prepared to handle it.

In 20+ years of playing FF, I've seen 3 different leagues disband because of cheating. One was a home league of friends where the commish was adjusting his roster after the games started to maximize points. Sometimes, home leagues can increase the odds of cheating. The ability to rib your friends, outweighs any cash prize over a bunch of strangers.

Another involved one person owning two teams. MFL has tools to check IP addresses. This wasn't a case of coworkers using the same computer. This was one person trying to portray two separate identities.

The last was similar to the OP's case. The owners made a late season trade that only benefited one team involved. One of the owners admitted to dumping his roster. They also admitted that neither team planned to return to the league the following year and they wanted to make a run at the money.

 

[lod01]

I've got a good collusion case in one of my leagues. This is the 1st year of this keeper league. The commish's team is 2-8, he's pretty much done. His wife is 8-2 and in 1st place. He traded her Victor Cruz, Julius Thomas, and his 8th next year for Martellus Bennett and a 3rd next year. Now keep in mind, we can only keep 2 players and they can't be from the 1st 2 rounds or FAs. So Thomas wasn't drafted so he isn't keeper eligible.

Still this trade tilts way in favor of the team getting Cruz and Thomas. The reason I think it's even fishier is I offered the commish a 1st for those same 2 players and he turned it down. Something definitely seems off.

Can size, would you hit it? If so, there could be a reason he traded with her and not you.

 

[RealReactions]

Somebody needs to knock this dude the #### out. He literally deserves an punch right in the face. You just stole 800 from 2 friends over fake ####### football. Grow the #### up how do you have any friends in the first place. If I lost the money and got kicked out in my league you can bet your ### i would show up at your door ask for my refund if you didn't i would #### with you until you refunded me. Start slashing your tires break #### at night and if you won't give me 400 cash I'll cause over 400 in damages and call it even

 

[Mr.Pack]

If there was any doubt that lhucks was a tool before this thread, this thread removes all doubt.