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The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now. This is another ghost story about a kid that arrives at an orphanage a victim of the Spanish civil war. He sees a ghost, and as with all ghosts, this one has a terrible past. I wish I knew more about the Spanish civil war so that I could understand better the metaphors being used, but all in all, it was still a great mix of drama with the supernatural.

I would rank the Del Toro movies I've seen like this:

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)

2. Pan's Labyrinth

3. Devil's Backbone

4. Hellboy 2

5. Hellboy

6. Mimic

All of them are either top notch movies or definitely worth seeing.

 
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The Happening: Horrible. It might be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Normally I like Marky Mark movies but this piece of trash just didn't do anything right. There may not be another movie with this many plots holes. M. Night Shamalamamasldf is a complete hack. I will never watch one of his movies again.

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Restraint: Excellent movie. There were so many different ways the story could have gone and any of them would have fit great. The lead actor, Stephen Moyer, was great. 3.5/6

 
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.

 
The Happening: Horrible. It might be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Normally I like Marky Mark movies but this piece of trash just didn't do anything right. There may not be another movie with this many plots holes. M. Night Shamalamamasldf is a complete hack. I will never watch one of his movies again.

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Restraint: Excellent movie. There were so many different ways the story could have gone and any of them would have fit great. The lead actor, Stephen Moyer, was great. 3.5/6
First off, this isnt a Marky Mark movie. Any movie directed by MNS, is a Shyalamalan movieHes terrible, I dont know why anyone goes to see is movies

His only half decent movie was Sixth Sense, and I didnt even like that because I knew Willis was dead 10 minutes in. 'Stir of Echoes' has a similar plot but blows Sixth Sense out of the water

Signs - was decent until you find out aliens can be killed by water - WEAK

Unbreakable - TERRIBLE

Village - didnt see it, but everyone I know who did says TERRIBLE

Lady in the Water - this had to be so bad, I dont need ppl to tell me TERRIBLE

Happening - this officially looked like 1 of the worst movies of the year, so I know not to waste my time on something this TERRIBLE

Why did someone who like you said (Wahlberg) typically only does movies that, if not good, are at least entertaining, sign onto a movie this bad?

His best piece of work was his Mastercard commercial

 
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The Happening: Horrible. It might be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Normally I like Marky Mark movies but this piece of trash just didn't do anything right. There may not be another movie with this many plots holes. M. Night Shamalamamasldf is a complete hack. I will never watch one of his movies again.

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Restraint: Excellent movie. There were so many different ways the story could have gone and any of them would have fit great. The lead actor, Stephen Moyer, was great. 3.5/6
First off, this isnt a Marky Mark movie. Any movie directed by MNS, is a Shyalamalan movieHes terrible, I dont know why anyone goes to see is movies

His only half decent movie was Sixth Sense, and I didnt even like that because I knew Willis was dead 10 minutes in. 'Stir of Echoes' has a similar plot but blows Sixth Sense out of the water

Signs - was decent until you find out aliens can be killed by water - WEAK

Unbreakable - TERRIBLE

Village - didnt see it, but everyone I know who did says TERRIBLE

Lady in the Water - this had to be so bad, I dont need ppl to tell me TERRIBLE

Happening - this officially looked like 1 of the worst movies of the year, so I know not to waste my time on something this TERRIBLE

Why did someone who like you said (Wahlberg) typically only does movies that, if not good, are at least entertaining, sign onto a movie this bad?

His best piece of work was his Mastercard commercial
lol... now, I agree with you about M Shamlamadingdong- but the vitriol is kinda funny considering you've only seen 3 of his movies. (I did see Village and Water and they were TERRIBLE).
 
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put EGOYAN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
 
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor

6.5/10

Saw it at the cheap seats today. Not nearly as good as the first two (I really liked them for some reason) but not nearly as bad as it was made out to be.

Why was Maria Bello cast as Evie, though? Knowing that she's an American it really distracted me when she spoke with a British accent. Weren't there any British actresses good enough for the role?

The film is good enoug for a rental.

 
KarmaPolice said:
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Yeah, I can agree with Nolan, but other than Fight Club, I'm not a big Fincher guy.
 
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now. This is another ghost story about a kid that arrives at an orphanage a victim of the Spanish civil war. He sees a ghost, and as with all ghosts, this one has a terrible past. I wish I knew more about the Spanish civil war so that I could understand better the metaphors being used, but all in all, it was still a great mix of drama with the supernatural.

I would rank the Del Toro movies I've seen like this:

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)

2. Pan's Labyrinth

3. Devil's Backbone

4. Hellboy 2

5. Hellboy

6. Mimic

All of them are either top notch movies or definitely worth seeing.
definitely an ascendant director... can't wait to see what he does with the hobbit...
 
KarmaPolice said:
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Yeah, I can agree with Nolan, but other than Fight Club, I'm not a big Fincher guy.
Alien 3 was the bomb, yo. :tumbleweed: I am a huge fan of Seven (top 5 movie for me, along with Fight Club), and thought Zodiac was the 2nd or 3rd best movie of last year.

 
KarmaPolice said:
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put EGOYAN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Only seen The Sweet Hereafter of the movies he's done and thought it was great. What else is a must-watch movie by him??
 
Only seen The Sweet Hereafter of the movies he's done and thought it was great. What else is a must-watch movie by him??
egoyan is an interesting director, i think. he was someone that i was deeply into for a time. "felicia's journey" is good but not great. "ararat" was ok too. avoid "where the truth lies" as it was pretty terrible, i thought. "the adjuster" is very good. i still think his best work, to date, was "exotica". i was floored when i saw it because it was very original. a very thoughtful film that was surprising me at almost every turn. really fine work there.
 
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead

Marisa Tomei has aged well, she still looks nice. I thought this movie was okay. I liked the real feel the robber had to it, not a fanciful heist, just rather two down and out guys looking to make a score, think of something they have intimate knowledge of and try to make it happen. I thought it was a bit over the top on just how desperate they were, both had decent jobs, but sure they had bills to pay, but doesn't everyone? I didn't buy the whole waify drug dealer guy either, but whatever, it didn't detract too much from the downward spiral. Decent kill of two hours, but nothing earth shattering here either. 2.0/5.0

 
KarmaPolice said:
KarmaPolice said:
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Yeah, I can agree with Nolan, but other than Fight Club, I'm not a big Fincher guy.
Alien 3 was the bomb, yo. :rolleyes: I am a huge fan of Seven (top 5 movie for me, along with Fight Club), and thought Zodiac was the 2nd or 3rd best movie of last year.
Zodiac was outstanding.I think Fincher's brilliant just based on Fight Club alone. And with SE7EN, you have such a definitive serial killer movie, they might as well stop making movies in that genre from now on.

The Game is an underrated early Fincher example. Even Panic Room is decent.

 
I think Fincher's brilliant just based on Fight Club alone. And with SE7EN, you have such a definitive serial killer movie, they might as well stop making movies in that genre from now on.



The Game is an underrated early Fincher example. Even Panic Room is decent.
I actually like "The Game" more than "Se7en". "The Game" has far fewer excesses that serve to distract. Fincher tells a better story, even if the ending isn't terribly satisfying.
 
Finally saw MP and the Holy Grail. I was surprised at how many times I laughed. I was thinking it was going to be a bit stale since it was so old, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 
Going to post these here since the "recently viewed movies in theatres" thread never really took off. Did a double-feature on Saturday, starting with:

Man on Wire - Wow. Blown away. I just bumped a thread about this and echo that poster--just see it. You wouldn't think that a documentary where you know the outcome could be so suspenseful and magical, but it was. Also, just hilarious. This is another example of why documentaries are my favorite genre. Real life and real people are just so much more interesting than anything someone could make up. 8 squillion/5.

Tell No One - Had pretty high expectations going into this, based on 92% Tomatometer rating and glowing reviews from a couple of good friends. Was highly disappointed. To me it was a stock "thriller"--man is contacted by his supposedly-dead wife after eight years, has to figure out if she's alive and in the meantime is unjustly accused of another murder as well as hers, blahblahblah. The fact that it was in French doesn't succeed in making it any more interesting or "artsy" than another standard thriller. I felt no emotional connection to any of the characters, and the "twists" in the movie were all either highly predictable or so random as to be fairly stupid. Meh. 2/5.

 
Finally saw MP and the Holy Grail. I was surprised at how many times I laughed. I was thinking it was going to be a bit stale since it was so old, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
:) Have you seen Life of Brian?
Nope, but that is next on my list. For whatever reason, I had never seen any MP movies. People suggested seeing The Holy Grail first, and Life of Brian 2nd.
Life of Brian rocks.After those those two, try The Meaning of Life. It's not nearly as funny, but it has some solid bits.

 
Just got done watching Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

As much as I heard about the movie, it's surprisingly unfunny. Couple great jokes/references, but not enough to justify watching the movie. IMO the problem was the main character was completely unlikable. I wasn't a huge fan of Knocked Up, but at least there was a little something to Rogan's character and his friends to keep you into the movie even if it did drag. There was nothing like that in this movie, so I would suggest skipping it.

 
really liked the recently released the fall (by tarsem singh, who i think has only done the cell, previously)... this was one of the best movies i've seen this year... not perfect, i thought the end was a bit abrupt...this has probably fallen through the cracks, as i don't think it reached any kind of distribution outside of the festval circuit... i thought the cell was visually stunning, but somewhat lacking in the story department... the fall is even more visually stunning, & imo is a much better story... he doesn't have a very deep body of work (sort of like an indian terrance mallick? :mellow: ), but after seeing this movie, i'm starting to think he could be an important director and worth following his career... somewhat like gilliam's baron von munchausen, employing similar narrative vehicle to spin out episodic tales... also like wizard of oz (& munchausen), characters & events from the narrator's world are incorporated into & interwoven with the tales...this could almost be a family classic (but a dark one, like pan's labrynth), but maybe not ideal for YOUNG children, as there is some heavy underlying subject matter... a paralyzed and hospitalized stunt man ('30s or '40s?) distraught over being jilted tells a young girl fellow patient an epic tale of revenge, betrayal & love, in order to cajole her into stealing morphine so he can carry out his intent to suicide... at any rate this movie could appeal at a lot of levels, & could have crossover appeal for most ages, young & old... the stunt man & central character doesn't look like him, but his way of speaking reminds me of owen wilson... the little girl steals the show...the scope of this work is also maybe reminiscent of gilliam in that he paints on an extremely broad canvas & the story is wildly imaginative (i suspect a big reason singh took so long between movies was probably a gilliam-like difficulty in securing funds from financiers who balk at the prospect that his epic scope of vision could exceed the resources alotted to the budget for a weird movie by a quirky director that may not have mainstream appeal & bankability)... but the look is more streamlined & maybe even refined... gilliam can be a bit bloated at times, though i do admire him a lot for the most part...
thanks to this review, i checked it out and liked it. the girl did stole the show.
 
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Yeah, I can agree with Nolan, but other than Fight Club, I'm not a big Fincher guy.
Alien 3 was the bomb, yo. :mellow: I am a huge fan of Seven (top 5 movie for me, along with Fight Club), and thought Zodiac was the 2nd or 3rd best movie of last year.
Zodiac was outstanding.I think Fincher's brilliant just based on Fight Club alone. And with SE7EN, you have such a definitive serial killer movie, they might as well stop making movies in that genre from now on.

The Game is an underrated early Fincher example. Even Panic Room is decent.
another big fan of Fincher here. i like Alien 3 more than most peeps. Fight Club/Seven are classics.
 
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead

Marisa Tomei has aged well, she still looks nice. I thought this movie was okay. I liked the real feel the robber had to it, not a fanciful heist, just rather two down and out guys looking to make a score, think of something they have intimate knowledge of and try to make it happen. I thought it was a bit over the top on just how desperate they were, both had decent jobs, but sure they had bills to pay, but doesn't everyone? I didn't buy the whole waify drug dealer guy either, but whatever, it didn't detract too much from the downward spiral. Decent kill of two hours, but nothing earth shattering here either. 2.0/5.0
All I can say is - WOWThis, along with Departed and A Guide To Recognizing Your Saints, was probably 1 of my favorite movies of the last few years

Sidney Lumet directs it to perfection

PSHoffman is Oscar worthy, and Hawke, Tomei, Finney were all great as well. As was Michael Shannon and Amy Ryan in lesser roles.

I think youre really missing something as far as the desperation. PSH is a heroin addict in a failing marriage. Hawke is divorced and owes mucho is child support. Theyre both in desperate situations.

Lumet calls this a 'melodrama', and he hits that on the dot

I thought this movie was absolutely mesmerizing and fantastic start to finish

Can anyone else chime in?

 
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really liked the recently released the fall (by tarsem singh, who i think has only done the cell, previously)... this was one of the best movies i've seen this year... not perfect, i thought the end was a bit abrupt...this has probably fallen through the cracks, as i don't think it reached any kind of distribution outside of the festval circuit... i thought the cell was visually stunning, but somewhat lacking in the story department... the fall is even more visually stunning, & imo is a much better story... he doesn't have a very deep body of work (sort of like an indian terrance mallick? :mellow: ), but after seeing this movie, i'm starting to think he could be an important director and worth following his career... somewhat like gilliam's baron von munchausen, employing similar narrative vehicle to spin out episodic tales... also like wizard of oz (& munchausen), characters & events from the narrator's world are incorporated into & interwoven with the tales...this could almost be a family classic (but a dark one, like pan's labrynth), but maybe not ideal for YOUNG children, as there is some heavy underlying subject matter... a paralyzed and hospitalized stunt man ('30s or '40s?) distraught over being jilted tells a young girl fellow patient an epic tale of revenge, betrayal & love, in order to cajole her into stealing morphine so he can carry out his intent to suicide... at any rate this movie could appeal at a lot of levels, & could have crossover appeal for most ages, young & old... the stunt man & central character doesn't look like him, but his way of speaking reminds me of owen wilson... the little girl steals the show...the scope of this work is also maybe reminiscent of gilliam in that he paints on an extremely broad canvas & the story is wildly imaginative (i suspect a big reason singh took so long between movies was probably a gilliam-like difficulty in securing funds from financiers who balk at the prospect that his epic scope of vision could exceed the resources alotted to the budget for a weird movie by a quirky director that may not have mainstream appeal & bankability)... but the look is more streamlined & maybe even refined... gilliam can be a bit bloated at times, though i do admire him a lot for the most part...
thanks to this review, i checked it out and liked it. the girl did stole the show.
interesting backstory to the movie... he claims to have scouted locations for 17 years (reportedly shot in 24 countries & it shows), & when he saw a picture of the girl he felt compelled to start filming right away... he was able to piggyback on his commerical shoots to cut costs, but still almost went bankrupt by financing it out of pocket... reminiscent of the big stakes coppola gambled with apocalypse now, reportedly being close to the brink financially... less successfully, billy friedkin, flush from success of the exorcist, lost a fortune shooting the unappreciated gem but commercially disastrous sorceror on location in central or south american jungle... one thing that made conventional financing impossible, was he admitted that the script would be partly written by the child actress (the stories of the narrator & girl become interwoven & collaborative during the course of the movie)... one way they were able to capture such a natural & unaffected performance from the child was hiding the camera where possible, & filming during apparent rehearsals...tarsem (as he goes by) has been attached to a few projects recently, but not sure if anything concrete is lined up...* ebert liked it enough to give it a follow up review (both below)... he also said it would make his best/favorite movies of the year list...The Fall May 29, 2008 By Roger EbertTarsem's "The Fall" is a mad folly, an extravagant visual orgy, a free-fall from reality into uncharted realms. Surely it is one of the wildest indulgences a director has ever granted himself. Tarsem, for two decades a leading director of music videos and TV commercials, spent millions of his own money to finance "The Fall," filmed it for four years in 28 countries and has made a movie that you might want to see for no other reason than because it exists. There will never be another like it."The Fall" is so audacious that when Variety calls it a "vanity project," you can only admire the man vain enough to make it. It tells a simple story with vast romantic images so stunning I had to check twice, three times, to be sure the film actually claims to have absolutely no computer-generated imagery. None? What about the Labyrinth of Despair, with no exit? The intersecting walls of zig-zagging staircases? The man who emerges from the burning tree? Perhaps the key words are "computer-generated." Perhaps some of the images are created by more traditional kinds of special effects.The story framework for the imagery is straightforward. In Los Angeles, circa 1915, a silent movie stunt man has his legs paralyzed while performing a reckless stunt. He convalesces in a half-deserted hospital, its corridors of cream and lime stretching from ward to ward of mostly empty beds, their pillows and sheets awaiting the harvest of World War I. The stunt man is Roy (Lee Pace), pleasant in appearance, confiding in speech, happy to make a new friend of a little girl named Alexandria (Catinca Untaru).Roy tells a story to Alexandria, involving adventurers who change appearance as quickly as a child's imagination can do its work. We see the process. He tells her of an "Indian" who has a wigwam and a squaw. She does not know these words, and envisions an Indian from a land of palaces, turbans and swamis. The verbal story is input from Roy; the visual story is output from Alexandria.The story involves Roy (playing the Black Bandit) and his friends: a bomb-throwing Italian anarchist, an escaped African slave, an Indian (from India), and Charles Darwin and his pet monkey, Wallace. Their sworn enemy, Governor Odious, has stranded them on a desert island, but they come ashore (riding swimming elephants, of course) and wage war on him.Roy draws out the story for a personal motive; after Alexandria brings him some communion wafers from the hospital chapel, he persuades her to steal some morphine tablets from the dispensary. Paralyzed and having lost his great love (she is the Princess in his story), he hopes to kill himself. There is a wonderful scene of the little girl trying to draw him back to life.Either you are drawn into the world of this movie or you are not. It is preposterous, of course, but I vote with Werner Herzog, who says if we do not find new images, we will perish. Here a line of bowmen shoot hundreds of arrows into the air. So many of them fall into the back of the escaped slave that he falls backward and the weight of his body is supported by them, as on a bed of nails with dozens of foot-long arrows. There is scene of the monkey Wallace chasing a butterfly through impossible architecture.At this point in reviews of movies like "The Fall" (not that there are any), I usually announce that I have accomplished my work. I have described what the movie does, how it looks while it is doing it, and what the director has achieved. Well, what has he achieved? "The Fall" is beautiful for its own sake. And there is the sweet charm of the young Romanian actress Catinca Untaru, who may have been dubbed for all I know, but speaks with the innocence of childhood, working her way through tangles of words. She regards with equal wonder the reality she lives in, and the fantasy she pretends to. It is her imagination that creates the images of Roy's story, and they have a purity and power beyond all calculation. Roy is her perfect storyteller, she is his perfect listener, and together they build a world.Ebert notes: The movie's R rating should not dissuade bright teenagers from this celebration of the imagination.Tarsem and the legend of "The Fall" June 3, 2008by Roger EbertTarsem was talking about how he risked almost everything he owned to make a movie that nobody, nobody at all, was willing to finance for years. The movie is "The Fall," which will be on my list of the year's best films, and is setting box office records on the art house circuit. It is almost impossible to describe. You can say what happens, but you can't convey the astonishment of how it happens.Tarsem made millions as a director of commercials, and gladly spent most of them to make his movie. "Everybody in advertising," he was telling me, "always says one day they’ll make a great movie with their own money, blah, blah, blah. They never do it. David Fincher, one of my producers, told me, 'You happen to be the fool that has done it'."Tarsem is a thin man of medium height, mercurial in conversation, smiling easily. "Something happened to me that doesn’t happen to most people," he said. "Life happens to them. It was happening to me. But at the particular point when I was ready to settle down with a woman and have the babies, the woman moved and had the babies with somebody else. I was freaked out. What happened next was, I had promised myself I would make this film in a heartbeat if I found the right girl. And suddenly I found the little girl."How would he finance the movie? "I’ve never known what to do with money. I live quite easily. Ninety-five percent of the time it seems like I'm on airplanes or in airports. I travel making commercials, I have a home that’s all paid for, and I’m a prostitute in love with a profession. I had no idea who my money was for. It wasn’t for the kids that I didn’t have, so I decided to cash in.""The Fall" is one of the most extraordinary films I've ever seen. Set in Los Angeles in 1915, it involves a paralyzed stunt man (Lee Pace) and a four-year old Romanian girl named Alexandria (Catinca Untaru) who occupy separate wings in a hospital where most of the beds are empty -- waiting, probably, to be filled by victims of the Great War.The stunt man begins to tell the girl a story. We hear the story in his words, but we see it through her eyes, and she imagines it as a magical vision. After filming all the scenes involving the two characters, Tarsem shot her visions in 28 countries over a period of four years. There are sights in the film you cannot imagine are possible, but Tarsem says he used no computers to create them. They exist.Who is this Tarsem? Full name, Tarsem Singh Dhabdwar. Last name too hard for Americans to say. Millions of Indians have the middle name "Singh." Therefore, Tarsem. Born in India, his family moved to Iran when he was three, but his father was concerned the mullahs would destroy education there, so he sent his two sons to a boarding school in the Himalayas."I saw a book in India titled Guide to Film Schools in America, and it shell-shocked me," he said. "It changed my life, because I thought you went to college to study something that your father loved and you hated. I told my father I wanted to study film and he said there was no way he was gonna let me do that. I made my way to Los Angeles, and made a film that won a scholarship to the Art Center College of Design. My father thought I was headed for Harvard. I called him and said, 'I want to study film,' and he said, 'You don’t exist anymore'."Tarsem made a music video for Suzanne Vega, another for REM. "The first commercial I did was for Levi's, and was based on the movie 'The Swimmer,' the Burt Lancaster one, where a guy swims from pool to pool in his neighbor's back yards. The tagline was, 'The more you wash them, the better they get.”' That won the Grand Prix in Cannes and so in a way it's been downhill ever since."The agencies that made commercials, he said, "gave me very good money and I didn't complain about it. I put it aside like a little squirrel and at the end I ended up with a project that I wanted to do very badly and threw it all away, so now I’m penniless but as happy as a pig in poo. I told my brother, sell everything, I’m going on this magical mystery tour. When I finish it, I’ll let you know. I called him when it was almost done. He said the house was almost up for sale. But I was finished."He has a quick smile and makes his struggle sound like a lark."If you think it’s hard raising money for a film, try telling people that the script is going to be written by a 4-year old. It’s going to be dictated to me by a child. For seven years wherever I would shoot a commercial I would send people out with a camera to schools, and one day I got a tape of this girl at a school in Romania, in the middle of students talking. I was amazed. She was perfect. She didn't speak English. The penny dropped. She was six, but if she didn’t speak the language she would be using, the misunderstanding would buy me the two years that I needed. Because she had to seem four."I found a mental asylum in South Africa that gave me a wing. I figured everything for her had to be visual. I explained to her where she lived, where he lived, where everything was. And we taught her the English of her lines, word by word. She would say them, and if she didn't get it right in three or four takes, we changed her dialog because she needed to sound spontaneous, not rehearsed.""I found a mental asylum in South Africa that gave me a wing. I figured everything for her had to be visual. I explained to her where she lived, where he lived, where everything was. And we taught her the English of her lines, word by word. She would say them, and if she didn't get it right in three or four takes, we changed her dialog because she needed to sound spontaneous, not rehearsed."It's true. One of the treasures of the film is the sound of the dialog by Catinca Untaru. We understand every word, but she sounds as if she's inventing them as utters them.Now what about those miraculous locations? I asked him. No special effects? What about the zig-zagging interlocking black and white staircases reaching down into the earth?"Its true. Its Ripley’s. What people think is not true in the film is true. The steps that go down, it's a reservoir that has been there for 500 or 600 years. It's used for seeing how low the water level is, to determine how to tax people. If the water level is so high, they charge so much tax from the farmers. The problem is most of the time you never see those steps; they’re underwater. Somebody showed me these steps and said they went really way down. And I said, well, has anybody seen that?"They said, most Indians think they look cheap. But in fact they look like an inspiration by Escher. So labyrinthine and mad. The problem is, when you see the wide shot, you realize they're not what I’m making them out to be. What matters is how I’m framing it. If you see the wider shots, there are about 2,000 Indians on trees watching and wondering why we’re shooting in a really crappy well. But since I shot those steps, three Hindi movies have gone and shot there because they figure, if its good enough for him, it must be beautiful."And the Labyrinth With no Escape?"That is a 400-year-old observatory. The steps line up with one star, the arc lines up with another star, and if you look around the location it's really chaotic and haywire. All I had to do was choose my angle so I could use their shapes without showing their surroundings. I thought, I can make a labyrinth out of this if I make it look like it’s enclosed. The fact is, it's a really cheap-looking park in the middle of Jaidpur."And as for the Blue City..."Jodhpur, the blue city, is a Brahmin city where you’re only supposed to paint your house blue. I made a contract with the city; we would give them free paint. We knew legally they could only choose blue. So they painted their houses blue and it looked more vibrant than it ever had before."Tarsem made it all sound so simple, and when you see the film it all seems literally impossible."There are no computer effects. It’s just the kind of visual stuff like what I was doing all the time with commercials, where it looks like more than it is. In all these places I had filmed over at least 17 years, I told the people, this is a paid job, its a commercial, but I’ll come back one day and make this place look magical. To use a line from 'The Godfather,' he does them a favor, and one day, 'and that day may never come,' there will be a favor in return. And 17 years later that day came, I showed up, and some of the favors I could cash in, and some I couldn't. "And then Tarsem made one of the most astonishing films I have ever seen. It is all the more special in this age of computer-generated special effects, because we see things that cannot exist, but our eyes do not lie, and they do exist, yes, they really do.
 
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Marisa Tomei has aged well, she still looks nice. I thought this movie was okay. I liked the real feel the robber had to it, not a fanciful heist, just rather two down and out guys looking to make a score, think of something they have intimate knowledge of and try to make it happen. I thought it was a bit over the top on just how desperate they were, both had decent jobs, but sure they had bills to pay, but doesn't everyone? I didn't buy the whole waify drug dealer guy either, but whatever, it didn't detract too much from the downward spiral. Decent kill of two hours, but nothing earth shattering here either. 2.0/5.0
All I can say is - WOWThis, along with Departed and A Guide To Recognizing Your Saints, was probably 1 of my favorite movies of the last few years

Sidney Lumet directs it to perfection

PSHoffman is Oscar worthy, and Hawke, Tomei, Finney were all great as well. As was Michael Shannon and Amy Ryan in lesser roles.

I think youre really missing something as far as the desperation. PSH is a heroin addict in a failing marriage. Hawke is divorced and owes mucho is child support. Theyre both in desperate situations.

Lumet calls this a 'melodrama', and he hits that on the dot

I thought this movie was absolutely mesmerizing and fantastic start to finish

Can anyone else chime in?
you nailed it. much better than 2.5/5. 4/5 here.
 
really liked the recently released the fall (by tarsem singh, who i think has only done the cell, previously)... this was one of the best movies i've seen this year... not perfect, i thought the end was a bit abrupt...this has probably fallen through the cracks, as i don't think it reached any kind of distribution outside of the festval circuit... i thought the cell was visually stunning, but somewhat lacking in the story department... the fall is even more visually stunning, & imo is a much better story... he doesn't have a very deep body of work (sort of like an indian terrance mallick? :mellow: ), but after seeing this movie, i'm starting to think he could be an important director and worth following his career... somewhat like gilliam's baron von munchausen, employing similar narrative vehicle to spin out episodic tales... also like wizard of oz (& munchausen), characters & events from the narrator's world are incorporated into & interwoven with the tales...this could almost be a family classic (but a dark one, like pan's labrynth), but maybe not ideal for YOUNG children, as there is some heavy underlying subject matter... a paralyzed and hospitalized stunt man ('30s or '40s?) distraught over being jilted tells a young girl fellow patient an epic tale of revenge, betrayal & love, in order to cajole her into stealing morphine so he can carry out his intent to suicide... at any rate this movie could appeal at a lot of levels, & could have crossover appeal for most ages, young & old... the stunt man & central character doesn't look like him, but his way of speaking reminds me of owen wilson... the little girl steals the show...the scope of this work is also maybe reminiscent of gilliam in that he paints on an extremely broad canvas & the story is wildly imaginative (i suspect a big reason singh took so long between movies was probably a gilliam-like difficulty in securing funds from financiers who balk at the prospect that his epic scope of vision could exceed the resources alotted to the budget for a weird movie by a quirky director that may not have mainstream appeal & bankability)... but the look is more streamlined & maybe even refined... gilliam can be a bit bloated at times, though i do admire him a lot for the most part...
thanks to this review, i checked it out and liked it. the girl did stole the show.
interesting backstory to the movie... he claims to have scouted locations for 17 years (reportedly shot in 24 countries & it shows), & when he saw a picture of the girl he felt compelled to start filming right away... he was able to piggyback on his commerical shoots to cut costs, but still almost went bankrupt by financing it out of pocket... reminiscent of the big stakes coppola gambled with apocalypse now, reportedly being close to the brink financially... less successfully, billy friedkin, flush from success of the exorcist, lost a fortune shooting the unappreciated gem but commercially disastrous sorceror on location in central or south american jungle... one thing that made conventional financing impossible, was he admitted that the script would be partly written by the child actress (the stories of the narrator & girl become interwoven & collaborative during the course of the movie)... one way they were able to capture such a natural & unaffected performance from the child was hiding the camera where possible, & filming during apparent rehearsals...tarsem (as he goes by) has been attached to a few projects recently, but not sure if anything concrete is lined up...
this makes me appreciate it even more. its such a damn shame the hollywood $$ system is the way it is...
 
Only seen The Sweet Hereafter of the movies he's done and thought it was great. What else is a must-watch movie by him??
egoyan is an interesting director, i think. he was someone that i was deeply into for a time. "felicia's journey" is good but not great. "ararat" was ok too. avoid "where the truth lies" as it was pretty terrible, i thought. "the adjuster" is very good. i still think his best work, to date, was "exotica". i was floored when i saw it because it was very original. a very thoughtful film that was surprising me at almost every turn. really fine work there.
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Only seen The Sweet Hereafter of the movies he's done and thought it was great. What else is a must-watch movie by him??
egoyan is an interesting director, i think. he was someone that i was deeply into for a time. "felicia's journey" is good but not great. "ararat" was ok too. avoid "where the truth lies" as it was pretty terrible, i thought. "the adjuster" is very good. i still think his best work, to date, was "exotica". i was floored when i saw it because it was very original. a very thoughtful film that was surprising me at almost every turn. really fine work there.
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You agree with this, but then said that Egoyan is >>>>>>>>>> Fincher and Nolan. Isn't the above quote stating that he's done 2-3 must see movies, the last being about 10 years ago? What makes him so much better than the other two directors in your opinion ?
 
You agree with this, but then said that Egoyan is >>>>>>>>>> Fincher and Nolan. Isn't the above quote stating that he's done 2-3 must see movies, the last being about 10 years ago? What makes him so much better than the other two directors in your opinion ?
for me, i'm a snob. i don't put much stock in the artistic merits of the batman movies. they are fun but they're still genre films. so i go back to nolan's other films - "momento", "insomnia" and "the prestige" - for a sense of who he is as a director. two of those films are really fantastic while the third is pretty meh for me. "momento" is fantastic and strikingly original. "the prestige" was one of my favorite films of 2006. he's building a really impressive body of work.fincher is a fine director and getting better with each film. he's gone from super stylized, shallow films like "alien 3" to more nuanced work like "zodiac". he's really ambitious as a director. his best work as a director is still "fight club", imo, even though i think it can't quite decide what it's message is ultimately. egoyan seems to make really personal films. his output over the last 10 years is disappointing but he did 6 quality films in the 90's. he's operated outside hollywood and seems hesitant to surrender completely to that kind of career. his latest film - "adoration" - is slated for release in the next few months and is getting positive reviews.
 
saintfool said:
KarmaPolice said:
You agree with this, but then said that Egoyan is >>>>>>>>>> Fincher and Nolan. Isn't the above quote stating that he's done 2-3 must see movies, the last being about 10 years ago? What makes him so much better than the other two directors in your opinion ?
for me, i'm a snob. i don't put much stock in the artistic merits of the batman movies. they are fun but they're still genre films. so i go back to nolan's other films - "momento", "insomnia" and "the prestige" - for a sense of who he is as a director. two of those films are really fantastic while the third is pretty meh for me. "momento" is fantastic and strikingly original. "the prestige" was one of my favorite films of 2006. he's building a really impressive body of work.fincher is a fine director and getting better with each film. he's gone from super stylized, shallow films like "alien 3" to more nuanced work like "zodiac". he's really ambitious as a director. his best work as a director is still "fight club", imo, even though i think it can't quite decide what it's message is ultimately.

egoyan seems to make really personal films. his output over the last 10 years is disappointing but he did 6 quality films in the 90's. he's operated outside hollywood and seems hesitant to surrender completely to that kind of career. his latest film - "adoration" - is slated for release in the next few months and is getting positive reviews.
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.For me, a director's visual style and feel for the camera is more important than if they make "good" films. A lot of the time, great directors hinder themselves by choosing material or worst yet, using only their own, to use when telling their story. If I were choosing a director to put my story to film, this would be my list:

1. Coen Brothers

2. Del Toro

3. Danny Boyle

4. Richard Kelly

5. Gus Van Sant

6. Peter Jackson

7. Spike Jonze

8. Christopher Nolan

Each one of these directors has proven they can handle a film extremely small or extremely large in budget effectively. When you watch one of their films you recognize a distinct style in their camerawork, framing, and pacing. I left Fincher off of my list because I think he relies too heavily on green/blue lensing to add the dark and damp atmosphere to his films.

One more thing, if you consider yourself a "movie snob" and refuse to group the Batman movies with Nolan's other work. Why would you leave off Following as well? When a director can make a great film for $6,000 and then 10 years later make a great film for 185 million, I think it says an awful lot of their ability and not just their access to resources.

 
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.
I didn't get that message from Fight Club (the movie). The message that I got is "to thine own self be true." He lives the "right" life, as defined by others FOR him, before meeting Tyler and is miserable. Then he meets Tyler, is entranced by the hedonistic lifestyle, and finds that he's just as miserable.In short, when he let's others define who he is, he's a wreck. Tyler was right that "you are not your khakis" but he wasn't right that it's okay to be an animal either.
 
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.
I didn't get that message from Fight Club (the movie). The message that I got is "to thine own self be true." He lives the "right" life, as defined by others FOR him, before meeting Tyler and is miserable. Then he meets Tyler, is entranced by the hedonistic lifestyle, and finds that he's just as miserable.In short, when he let's others define who he is, he's a wreck. Tyler was right that "you are not your khakis" but he wasn't right that it's okay to be an animal either.
I think this was basically what I was trying to say, except perhaps you said it better. His character is designed to be an "everyman" which is why he is named, he is everybody and nobody at the same time and is a symbol for his entire generation. It is not the story of one man's journey, its the story of an entire generation of people working hard to be what others want them to be.
 
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.
I didn't get that message from Fight Club (the movie). The message that I got is "to thine own self be true." He lives the "right" life, as defined by others FOR him, before meeting Tyler and is miserable. Then he meets Tyler, is entranced by the hedonistic lifestyle, and finds that he's just as miserable.In short, when he let's others define who he is, he's a wreck. Tyler was right that "you are not your khakis" but he wasn't right that it's okay to be an animal either.
I think this was basically what I was trying to say, except perhaps you said it better. His character is designed to be an "everyman" which is why he is named, he is everybody and nobody at the same time and is a symbol for his entire generation. It is not the story of one man's journey, its the story of an entire generation of people working hard to be what others want them to be.
Ah. I see. I think we're on the same page. :confused:
 
The Hammer

Low-budget boxing comedy with Adam Corolla. Not much original plot material here, but I liked it a lot. Corolla has some funny lines, and the sentimental stuff is well done. Good stuff.

 
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.
i think the theme in the film "fight club" teeters between anti-consumerism and decrying emasculation of modern men. its shortcomings are likely a by-product of the limitation of a film adaptation though. ultimately, what some of the audience took away from the film isn't the anti-establishment undercurrent but rather a celebration of manhood in the form of fight clubs and similar nonsense.
For me, a director's visual style and feel for the camera is more important than if they make "good" films. A lot of the time, great directors hinder themselves by choosing material or worst yet, using only their own, to use when telling their story. If I were choosing a director to put my story to film, this would be my list:1. Coen Brothers 2. Del Toro3. Danny Boyle4. Richard Kelly5. Gus Van Sant6. Peter Jackson7. Spike Jonze8. Christopher Nolan Each one of these directors has proven they can handle a film extremely small or extremely large in budget effectively. When you watch one of their films you recognize a distinct style in their camerawork, framing, and pacing. I left Fincher off of my list because I think he relies too heavily on green/blue lensing to add the dark and damp atmosphere to his films.
that's a great stable of directors. i can't quibble with any of them overall but a few aren't to my tastes.
One more thing, if you consider yourself a "movie snob" and refuse to group the Batman movies with Nolan's other work. Why would you leave off Following as well? When a director can make a great film for $6,000 and then 10 years later make a great film for 185 million, I think it says an awful lot of their ability and not just their access to resources.
i forgot "following" but following your line of thinking I should sing the praises of robert rodriguez too. that's just not going to happen. nolan's a great young director. i hope he continues to develop and build on his obvious abilities. i wish he'd move on from the "batman" franchise too.
 
dude said:
The Devil's Backbone - 7.5/10

Guillermo Del Toro is the best director in the business right now.

1. The Orphanage (he was the producer and not director but still had heavy influence)
I'd personally put Nolan and Fincher above Del Toro. The Orphanage is a great movie - more people need to check this one out. Like that you had it above Pan's, and I would also say it was the better movie.
Yeah, I can agree with Nolan, but other than Fight Club, I'm not a big Fincher guy.
Alien 3 was the bomb, yo. :lmao: I am a huge fan of Seven (top 5 movie for me, along with Fight Club), and thought Zodiac was the 2nd or 3rd best movie of last year.
Zodiac was outstanding.I think Fincher's brilliant just based on Fight Club alone. And with SE7EN, you have such a definitive serial killer movie, they might as well stop making movies in that genre from now on.

The Game is an underrated early Fincher example. Even Panic Room is decent.
another big fan of Fincher here. i like Alien 3 more than most peeps. Fight Club/Seven are classics.
People seemed to hate Alien 3, but Fincher's signature visual style is there.Link to Fincher's new film trailer

 
yinzer said:
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead

Marisa Tomei has aged well, she still looks nice. I thought this movie was okay. I liked the real feel the robber had to it, not a fanciful heist, just rather two down and out guys looking to make a score, think of something they have intimate knowledge of and try to make it happen. I thought it was a bit over the top on just how desperate they were, both had decent jobs, but sure they had bills to pay, but doesn't everyone? I didn't buy the whole waify drug dealer guy either, but whatever, it didn't detract too much from the downward spiral. Decent kill of two hours, but nothing earth shattering here either. 2.0/5.0
All I can say is - WOWThis, along with Departed and A Guide To Recognizing Your Saints, was probably 1 of my favorite movies of the last few years

Sidney Lumet directs it to perfection

PSHoffman is Oscar worthy, and Hawke, Tomei, Finney were all great as well. As was Michael Shannon and Amy Ryan in lesser roles.

I think youre really missing something as far as the desperation. PSH is a heroin addict in a failing marriage. Hawke is divorced and owes mucho is child support. Theyre both in desperate situations.

Lumet calls this a 'melodrama', and he hits that on the dot

I thought this movie was absolutely mesmerizing and fantastic start to finish

Can anyone else chime in?
Big fan of that movie. Excellent.
 
People seemed to hate Alien 3, but Fincher's signature visual style is there.

Link to Fincher's new film trailer
I rewatched Aliens 3 recently for the first time since I saw it in theaters.It wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. In fact, it was pretty good.
I think a lot of the hate for Alien 3 stemmed from their only being 1 Alien and it not being up to par with Aliens. If the storyline went right from Alien to Alien 3, it would have received a lot more praise.
 
People seemed to hate Alien 3, but Fincher's signature visual style is there.

Link to Fincher's new film trailer
i think he doesn't wring much depth out of the characters or the plot. the ending is laughably bad. i put it down to his first foray into feature films though. as he has done more films, he has matured as an auteur. there are several directors that have visual panache along the same lines as fincher - tarsem, gondry come to mind - but could use some more seasoning...
 
People seemed to hate Alien 3, but Fincher's signature visual style is there.

Link to Fincher's new film trailer
I rewatched Aliens 3 recently for the first time since I saw it in theaters.It wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. In fact, it was pretty good.
I think a lot of the hate for Alien 3 stemmed from their only being 1 Alien and it not being up to par with Aliens. If the storyline went right from Alien to Alien 3, it would have received a lot more praise.
The hate for Alien 3 stems from three things, I think:1. It renders moot the heroic actions of Ripley saving Newt.

2. Ripley's not supposed to die.

3. The set design, rather than being "cool" like Aliens, is instead just dirty. It's not very fun to look at.

 
Maybe I'm biased because I've read all of Palahniuk's novels, but I thought the message of Fight Club was fairly clear. Its about an entire generation of young men being raised by their mothers and developing a complex to acquire material things in life in place of their father figure. The remedy they choose to strike against anything that ties us to those materials which is why they choose to attack the credit buildings. If nobody has debt, assets decrease drastically in value and everyone essentially goes back to "zero". The strategy falls apart at the end, because the main character realizes he truely doesn't desire everything he has worked so hard for to put into motion and realizes his pursuit is almost as pointless as his original life.
I think the message of Fight Club is a Zen ideal: the pursuit of material possessions leads to unhappiness. Therefore, to achieve happiness, one must eliminate the desire for these possessions. The most striking moment of the film is where Durden explains that Americans are told that wealth and possessions are the American dream. And when they achieve that dream and are still unhappy, their notion of happiness is shattered.
For me, a director's visual style and feel for the camera is more important than if they make "good" films. A lot of the time, great directors hinder themselves by choosing material or worst yet, using only their own, to use when telling their story. If I were choosing a director to put my story to film, this would be my list:1. Coen Brothers 2. Del Toro3. Danny Boyle4. Richard Kelly5. Gus Van Sant6. Peter Jackson7. Spike Jonze8. Christopher Nolan
I'd add PT Anderson and Darren Aronofsky to that list.
 
The hate for Alien 3 stems from three things, I think:

1. It renders moot the heroic actions of Ripley saving Newt.

2. Ripley's not supposed to die.

3. The set design, rather than being "cool" like Aliens, is instead just dirty. It's not very fun to look at.
i haven't seen it in a long time and the last time i did, i probably caught it on cable. so if my memory is hazy then please correct me but how can you not have a problem with the ending? bishop appears out of nowhere? the alien pops out of ripley and she grabs it like a giant phallus? i was embarrassed for weaver at the end.
 
I think the message of Fight Club is a Zen ideal: the pursuit of material possessions leads to unhappiness. Therefore, to achieve happiness, one must eliminate the desire for these possessions. The most striking moment of the film is where Durden explains that Americans are told that wealth and possessions are the American dream. And when they achieve that dream and are still unhappy, their notion of happiness is shattered.
But he's not any happier when he follows Durden's "destruction" lifestyle either.
 
The hate for Alien 3 stems from three things, I think:

1. It renders moot the heroic actions of Ripley saving Newt.

2. Ripley's not supposed to die.

3. The set design, rather than being "cool" like Aliens, is instead just dirty. It's not very fun to look at.
i haven't seen it in a long time and the last time i did, i probably caught it on cable. so if my memory is hazy then please correct me but how can you not have a problem with the ending? bishop appears out of nowhere? the alien pops out of ripley and she grabs it like a giant phallus? i was embarrassed for weaver at the end.
The guy at the end isn't Bishop. He's the owner of the company (Weyland/Yutani). In fact, I think he's referred to by name as "Mr. Weyland." He still wants to profit from the alien. Bishop is just modeled after him.Also, the alien pops out of her and she grabs it so it can't escape, dragging it down into the molten steel instead.

 
i think the theme in the film "fight club" teeters between anti-consumerism and decrying emasculation of modern men. its shortcomings are likely a by-product of the limitation of a film adaptation though. ultimately, what some of the audience took away from the film isn't the anti-establishment undercurrent but rather a celebration of manhood in the form of fight clubs and similar nonsense.
A moron could watch Apocalypse Now and just delight at the violence. But that superficial appreciation wouldn't lessen the film's depth and subtext.
 

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