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redman
Footballguy
Certainly earlier than I would have taken him, however there's no denying that he has the abilities to potentially be a stud in this scoring format.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
The bigger issue is that this is the same team that started with Fitz, Holt & Steve Smith...and now doesn't pick again until 6.14 (pick 94). In a 16-team league, waiting to take your first RB until that late could really hurt...
Will Grant
Prince of Insufficient Light
Actually the guy who's going to make the draft is DT.. with 11 of the next 50 picks or so..
Seeing how he has 3 stud WRs and no RBs, yeah, i wouldn't have taken Young there. I would have taken a RB or TE and select a QB much later.
I would have taken VY at 3.02 or 3.06 if faletti had let him fall
the_sig
Footballguy
Wow....all I can say is wow. I liked those first three picks of Fitz, SS & Holt with the PPR, but for the love of God passing on a RB and picking VY at that point seemed reckless in my opinion. I gotta say that owner has some stones.
I realize you only need to start 1 RB in this league, but who is that 1 RB going to be?
On a side note, watching this draft unfold during a boring day of work has been fun.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Who would you have gone with at RB in the at 2.14Wow....all I can say is wow. I liked those first three picks of Fitz, SS & Holt with the PPR, but for the love of God passing on a RB and picking VY at that point seemed reckless in my opinion. I gotta say that owner has some stones.
I realize you only need to start 1 RB in this league, but who is that 1 RB going to be?
On a side note, watching this draft unfold during a boring day of work has been fun.
I must of missed something in the rules because there's no way 4 QB's should be off the board in the first 2 rounds if you only start 1. I would imagine at least a handful of the people in this league ran the scoring system thru the draft dominator which I can't do here at work. Anyone care to share some VBD numbers if my supposition is wrong?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
4 Qb's were in top 10 in scoring in this league, with last years statsI must of missed something in the rules because there's no way 4 QB's should be off the board in the first 2 rounds if you only start 1. I would imagine at least a handful of the people in this league ran the scoring system thru the draft dominator which I can't do here at work. Anyone care to share some VBD numbers if my supposition is wrong?
Overall points or VBD points?4 Qb's were in top 10 in scoring in this league, with last years statsI must of missed something in the rules because there's no way 4 QB's should be off the board in the first 2 rounds if you only start 1. I would imagine at least a handful of the people in this league ran the scoring system thru the draft dominator which I can't do here at work. Anyone care to share some VBD numbers if my supposition is wrong?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Sorry,Overall pointsOverall points or VBD points?4 Qb's were in top 10 in scoring in this league, with last years statsI must of missed something in the rules because there's no way 4 QB's should be off the board in the first 2 rounds if you only start 1. I would imagine at least a handful of the people in this league ran the scoring system thru the draft dominator which I can't do here at work. Anyone care to share some VBD numbers if my supposition is wrong?
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
only 1qb in top 50 using fbgs latest projections from preseason......peyton at #25 overall
AcerFC
Footballguy
Can someone refer me to the VBD article that Joe or Dodds wrote. I am a subscriber but cant seem to find it. I remember reading it though I just dont know which guy wrote it. I went back to the archives from 04 and 05 and cant find it
ETA: I found it
ETA: I found it
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Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
I realize the question wasn't asked of me, but I think I would've sooner grabbed one of MBIII/Deuce/Edge and at least get a solid start at my RB, then to grab VY there, knowing that what's LEFT at RB at the end of the 6th round is going to be much less appealing than what is likely to be left at QB at the end of the 6th round.You've got a chance to scrounge by in a league with a middling QB like Romo or Rivers or Pennington. If your top RB is a guy like Reuben Droughns, you're probably dead in the water...
You might be right, but Holt/Fitz/Smith are gonna blow any other teams WR's outta the water, leaving his RB with the ability to score less than theirs. Not my style, but can definitely see his strategy with having to start 3 WR's.
tex
Footballguy
I love his strategy, but I agree-I would have definitely grabbed a RB at 2.14 rahter than wait until the 6th to get my first one. He may not even be able to get Droughns in the 6th!! I would think he would be looking at more points with Deuce or Edge and his 6th round QB than VY and his 6th round RB. But again, ya gotta love the strategy and he's definitely got 'nads!
If things fall right for him, it will pay off, I'm sure.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
You're right. Maybe SJax2 will fall to him in the 6th
chadick took sjax (the real one) at 1.03
You can win in this format without a stud RB, you guys need to change your paradigm. Besides, Faletti will be able to trade one of his WR for a great RB once some of these teams see what their starting 3 WRs looks like.
Chadick took SJax at 1.03.I can see the point of taking the 3 WRs and hoping something dropped to 2.14 - I've used a similar strategy in dyanasty leagues with PPR. I can also see the benefit of taking a younger stable QB early,and then probably ignoring the position until much later (I don't usually use this though). Combining both though could be a recipe for disaster, depending on what falls out at the end of the 6th. Will be interesting to see how this plays out
KTM
Braaaaaaaaaap
I'm infatuated with my team so far of Peyton/Sjax/Harrison/TO. It's going to be interested to see what I can do with 4.11 and then a 5 round hiatus...
if he had the 1.15 vet pick doesnt he have the 2nd overall rookie pick? if so that could translate into a reasonable RB.....
redman
Footballguy
Well, Nick is subscribing to an apparent win-now strategy, based upon the following moves:
He traded up by sacrificing or diminishing some important early-to-mid round picks, in order to land two WR's who have an average age of around 34 years old. Now, they both - and TO especially - could be studs in this scoring system, but for how long? I'm not even sure that TO's future with the Cowboys is assured. Interesting moves though.
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Sigmund Bloom gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.06;Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.06Nick Chadick gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.03;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.15
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Nick Chadick gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.03;Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.04Terry Winfree gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.05;Year 2006 Draft Pick 12.12
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3.05 Nick Chadick Harrison, Marvin IND WR 6:50:21 p.m. 3.06 Nick Chadick Owens, Terrell DAL WR 6:50:21 p.m.
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no he traded 1.03 and 5.03 for 1.15 and 2.02
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
dont hold breath
KTM
Braaaaaaaaaap
He got 1.15/2.02 from me.this league has been insane with the trades...
KTM
Braaaaaaaaaap
Yup, you caught me. 2007 crown here I come!
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
dont hold breathYup, you caught me. 2007 crown here I come!
EBF
Footballguy
Thanks. I like these picks:
1.06 - Reggie Bush - Top 3 dynasty PPR RB, IMO.
1.15 - Larry Fitzgerald - Top 5 PPR dynasty player, IMO.
2.04 - Chad Johnson - Real solid value here.
2.05 - Anthony Gates - One of the top players in FF.
2.11 - Anquan Boldin - Solid. In fact, pretty much any WR chosen in the top 30 is solid (except Owens).
3.03 - Lee Evans - I like that he went before Harrison and Owens. That's correct, IMO. He's a beast.
It looks like there was some RB reaching going on in the first couple of rounds, but I actually think a lot of these teams are drafting closer to actual value than I would've expected.
But Addai, Maroney, Drew, and D-Will all in the top 25? You can bet a couple teams are going to regret those selections in another year or two. These are the kind of picks I hate with proven stars still on the board.
It's too early to pick favorite teams. Bloom looks 100% bust-proof right now, but I definitely would've taken Jackson or Bush over LJ.
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EBF
Footballguy
That changes things a bit and maybe makes Bush less of a value at 1.06. However, I still think Steven Jackson would be the right pick over LJ. LJ has a lot of factors working against him. Both players look like long-term durability risks to me, but Jackson is the more versatile talent with a less volatile supporting cast. LJ is so reliant on his huge carry totals that I have to think his production will slump once he returns to human levels of carries.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I agree with EBF (for a change 
) tires.
That's a fair criticism of LJ. I just felt that Sjax totals were a little inflated from his ridiculous last two games and his not soon to be reproduced reception total. LJ just seems like a guy Herm will run into the ground over the next 3-4 years and I hope to get a title or two out of it during that time. The supporting cast argument is a good knock on LJ and I really have no answer.
I love his 1st 3 picks and can see the logic behind taking Vince 4th. I like Vince and you never know, he may put up some Culpepper type numbers someday (especially with the bonus points to big plays in this league.) I think the only thing I would of done differently is taken a younger top WR instead of Holt like a Roy, Evans or AJ. That way he'll have his long term pieces in place and hopefully can obtain a servicable vet RB or a future rookie RB in later years. Holt is gonna have some good years left, but I'd feel more comfortable with a guy a few years younger if I was drafting a team to set up for future years.My earlier post wasn't meant to completely lambast people who take QB's early in initial drafts (lord knows I own Peyton in 1 league), it can certainly work if you plan a good strategy around it. And I agree, in this format, you can win without a large stable of backs. In fact, if I was the guy taking Bush I would have passed on Addai and grabbed Fitz with his next pick.
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Will Grant
Prince of Insufficient Light
I was second guessing taking Wayne at 2.01 until I saw this run....With 32 picks between 2.01 and my next pick at 4.01, I didn't want to be looking at a second tier WR as my #1 pick...
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
LJ has only 158 more career carries (892 to 734) than SJax and 103 (989 to 886) more career touches than SJax. I think that's an insignificant amount of difference. I agree with EBF's assessment that they are both long term durability risks (but what featured RB isn't?)I think there's more tread on the SJax (#1) tires.
Some other reasons I took LJ over Sjax:
1) I just feel that LJ is a bigger threat for the monster game in any given week than Sjax
2) Sjax seemed like he had somewhat creaky knees in the past
3) LJ *should* be more durable because he tends to give punishment out instead of absorb it
4) LJ is the overwhelming option inside the 10
But this is all really rationalization. The bottom line is that I felt better building around LJ than I did Sjax, and it's really nothing more than a gut feeling no matter how much I think about it.
1) I just feel that LJ is a bigger threat for the monster game in any given week than Sjax
2) Sjax seemed like he had somewhat creaky knees in the past
3) LJ *should* be more durable because he tends to give punishment out instead of absorb it
4) LJ is the overwhelming option inside the 10
But this is all really rationalization. The bottom line is that I felt better building around LJ than I did Sjax, and it's really nothing more than a gut feeling no matter how much I think about it.
redman
Footballguy
Most people don't realize that LJ is over 27 years old, and almost four years younger than Jackson. Either way, you're going to get solid production out of him and I doubt you'll regret picking him much over the next 2-3 seasons.LJ has only 158 more career carries (892 to 734) than SJax and 103 (989 to 886) more career touches than SJax. I think that's an insignificant amount of difference. I agree with EBF's assessment that they are both long term durability risks (but what featured RB isn't?)I think there's more tread on the SJax (#1
Was my decision, and thought awhile about it, but just like that I have two young Stud backs that I can count on for years and still got a very good WR with my 3rd pick(in the 2nd round) in Boldin.Jake Bachman
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Kudos to Nick. I'm liking his draft a lot so far. Two of the best at the RB and QB position and two consistently productive WRs. Redman already mentioned there might be some risk, but when going with trackrecord, IMO especially with Harrison, it really diminishes the risk.
Interesting to see who will be the pick at 4.11. Maybe a slight trade down and get an additional pick around rounds 9 thru 11, if anyone takes it.Very interesting thread overall. Keep it up.
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