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[-OZ-]

I think there's more tread on the SJax (#1 ) tires.

LJ has only 158 more career carries (892 to 734) than SJax and 103 (989 to 886) more career touches than SJax. I think that's an insignificant amount of difference. I agree with EBF's assessment that they are both long term durability risks (but what featured RB isn't?)

Most people don't realize that LJ is over 27 years old, and almost four years younger than Jackson. Either way, you're going to get solid production out of him and I doubt you'll regret picking him much over the next 2-3 seasons.

you might want to rephrase that. I personally would have taken SJax #2, but you can't go wrong either way. Well, actually you can, but we won't know which for awhile.

Picks I like in this format:

1.06 6. Jake Bachman Bush, Reggie NOS RB Mon Feb 12 3:58:12 p.m. ET 2007

1.14 14. Nick Chadick Manning, Peyton IND QB Mon Feb 12 10:34:44 p.m. ET 2007

1.16 16. Derek Tonn Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Tue Feb 13 9:05:49 a.m. ET 2007

2.09 25. Alex Fernandez McGahee, Willis BUF RB Tue Feb 13 10:19:16 a.m. ET 2007

2.13 29. Alex Fernandez Palmer, Carson CIN QB Tue Feb 13 12:13:56 p.m. ET 2007

3.02 34. Sigmund Bloom Johnson, Andre HOU WR Tue Feb 13 5:19:59 p.m. ET 2007

3.03 35. Sigmund Bloom Evans, Lee BUF WR Tue Feb 13 5:20:09 p.m. ET 2007

3.04 36. Brian Smith Walker, Javon DEN WR Tue Feb 13 5:36:42 p.m. ET 2007

There isn't one team that stands out to me right now, but I'm liking Nick's and Sig's.

Only because I feel a twisted need to, I'll say the one team that I'm not liking, Jake's. Although Alexander is a good value at 1.09, and KJ should come back someday, I'm most skeptical here. Which of course will mean he'll win this thing 4 years in a row.

 

[the_sig]

Vince Young in the 2nd. Any opinions. I think it was early

The bigger issue is that this is the same team that started with Fitz, Holt & Steve Smith...and now doesn't pick again until 6.14 (pick 94). In a 16-team league, waiting to take your first RB until that late could really hurt...

Wow....all I can say is wow. I liked those first three picks of Fitz, SS & Holt with the PPR, but for the love of God passing on a RB and picking VY at that point seemed reckless in my opinion. I gotta say that owner has some stones.

I realize you only need to start 1 RB in this league, but who is that 1 RB going to be?

On a side note, watching this draft unfold during a boring day of work has been fun.

Who would you have gone with at RB in the at 2.14

With his draft to that point, I would have taken McAllister at 2.14. I have him as RB18 on my board, and selecting him @2.14 and RB20 off the board would have been reasonable Just a difference in drafting philosophy I guess. I would have gone RB there and looked for QB later. I wasn't trying to bash the guy, I like his balls to the wall strategy, I guess my 'Wow' comments came more from what I perceived as him pulling a 'crazy Ivan'. I expected him to zig and he zagged...good entertainment on a boring snowfilled day at work. Trading up to get McGahee @ 2.09 would have been even sweeter, that's hindsight, and that may not have been an option given the picks he had already dealt to get in the position he was in?

 

[got_nugs]

I think there's more tread on the SJax (#1 ) tires.

LJ has only 158 more career carries (892 to 734) than SJax and 103 (989 to 886) more career touches than SJax. I think that's an insignificant amount of difference. I agree with EBF's assessment that they are both long term durability risks (but what featured RB isn't?)

Most people don't realize that LJ is over 27 years old, and almost four years younger than Jackson. Either way, you're going to get solid production out of him and I doubt you'll regret picking him much over the next 2-3 seasons.

you might want to rephrase that. I personally would have taken SJax #2, but you can't go wrong either way. Well, actually you can, but we won't know which for awhile.

Picks I like in this format:

1.06 6. Jake Bachman Bush, Reggie NOS RB Mon Feb 12 3:58:12 p.m. ET 2007

1.14 14. Nick Chadick Manning, Peyton IND QB Mon Feb 12 10:34:44 p.m. ET 2007

1.16 16. Derek Tonn Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Tue Feb 13 9:05:49 a.m. ET 2007

2.09 25. Alex Fernandez McGahee, Willis BUF RB Tue Feb 13 10:19:16 a.m. ET 2007

2.13 29. Alex Fernandez Palmer, Carson CIN QB Tue Feb 13 12:13:56 p.m. ET 2007

3.02 34. Sigmund Bloom Johnson, Andre HOU WR Tue Feb 13 5:19:59 p.m. ET 2007

3.03 35. Sigmund Bloom Evans, Lee BUF WR Tue Feb 13 5:20:09 p.m. ET 2007

3.04 36. Brian Smith Walker, Javon DEN WR Tue Feb 13 5:36:42 p.m. ET 2007

There isn't one team that stands out to me right now, but I'm liking Nick's and Sig's.

Only because I feel a twisted need to, I'll say the one team that I'm not liking, Jake's. Although Alexander is a good value at 1.09, and KJ should come back someday, I'm most skeptical here. Which of course will mean he'll win this thing 4 years in a row.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Oz!

 

[the_sig]

You can win in this format without a stud RB, you guys need to change your paradigm. Besides, Faletti will be able to trade one of his WR for a great RB once some of these teams see what their starting 3 WRs looks like.

I agree that the start 1 RB allows some flexibility and doesn't REQUIRE a 'stud RB'. But I also think it would have been an easier road to win with at least a middle of the pack RB (RB16-18) as opposed to perhaps a RB30 as your fantasy teams RB1, not to mention what type of depth will be there for his RB2 to fill in on bye or God forbid his team RB1 goes down?I'm not a fan of 'drafting to trade' unless some insane value presents itself. You say he can trade a WR for a 'great' RB? I'm not sure Holt will bring in a top 12 RB due to his age in dynasty?, Smith might break into that tier...might, and I think Fitz probably would, but why not just draft a RB at those spots where he took Fitz or Smith?

As another poster commented, this was a genius play if a serviceable RB falls to him at pick 94? If not, I think he may have needlessly hampered himself with the VY pick at 2.14 over a McAllister type RB there, IMHO.

 

[EBF]

You can win in this format without a stud RB, you guys need to change your paradigm. Besides, Faletti will be able to trade one of his WR for a great RB once some of these teams see what their starting 3 WRs looks like.

I agree that the start 1 RB allows some flexibility and doesn't REQUIRE a 'stud RB'. But I also think it would have been an easier road to win with at least a middle of the pack RB (RB16-18) as opposed to perhaps a RB30 as your fantasy teams RB1, not to mention what type of depth will be there for his RB2 to fill in on bye or God forbid his team RB1 goes down?I'm not a fan of 'drafting to trade' unless some insane value presents itself. You say he can trade a WR for a 'great' RB? I'm not sure Holt will bring in a top 12 RB due to his age in dynasty?, Smith might break into that tier...might, and I think Fitz probably would, but why not just draft a RB at those spots where he took Fitz or Smith?

As another poster commented, this was a genius play if a serviceable RB falls to him at pick 94? If not, I think he may have needlessly hampered himself with the VY pick at 2.14 over a McAllister type RB there, IMHO.

This is a dynasty league. Passing on RBs to take Fitz might hurt his team in year one, but there are always good RBs entering the league (Lynch, Peterson) and there are always good RBs emerging from the later rounds (Betts, Drew, Gore, Turner). A guy like Fitz is gold in dynasty leagues. He'll be a top 10 WR long after guys like Chester Taylor and Shaun Alexander are riding the pine/out of the NFL.

I've learned the hard way that reaching for RBs in the early rounds is usually a weak dynasty strategy. Many of these second tier guys will fade into worthlessness while the top WR keep churning out great seasons. Remember Lee Suggs, Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, William Green, Anthony Thomas, Tatum Bell, Trung Canidate, DeShaun Foster, and Kevan Barlow? They were all early picks in the not-so-distant past.

The long list of overhyped RB busts is the reason why I shudder when I see teams take guys like Chester Taylor, Joseph Addai, Laurence Maroney, and Maurice Drew over someone like Chad Johnson. It's not that these RBs are bad players or that they don't have a chance to become stars, but rather that taking them so high is a bad value play given the risk.

Look at the last few draft classes. Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown were all consensus top 10 picks after their rookie seasons. Steven Jackson was also an early pick after his rookie year. He's the only player of this five to reach true stud status (unless you count KJ's 2006). I recognize the merits of last year's rookies, but I'd be uncomfortable gambling against the odds with a top 12 dynasty pick. It's just not the smart play, IMO.

 

[EBF]

Just to drive the point home, I'd like to give some examples of some of my own "speculative" dynasty picks that ultimately bombed horribly:

Kevan Barlow in the 1st

William Green in the 2nd

DeShaun Foster in the 3rd

Lee Suggs in the 4th

Charles Rogers in the 4th

These were all of the "next big thing" variety. When I've played it safe and taken a boring veteran, I've had a much better success rate. Even some of my veteran picks that looked like busts after a year ended up paying dividends eventually after bounce back seasons (Travis Henry and Ahman Green last year).

That doesn't mean there isn't a place for youth. All of these past failures didn't stop me from taking Reggie Bush at 1.03 in a PPR last year. I think the key point is to recognize that guys like Bush are the exception to the rule and that most of the players being hyped up as the stars of tomorrow probably won't ultimately live up to that billing.

That's why I get a little irked when I see the whole lot of Addai, D-Will, Drew, Bush, and Maroney going in the top 20. People are dreaming.

 

[dirtyhalos]

smith picks/roster2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) -4.05 (53) -5.08 (72) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)3.05 (37) -

 

[comfortably numb]

smith picks/roster2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) -4.05 (53) -5.08 (72) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)3.05 (37) -

What makes you so sure Calvin will be there????

 

[-OZ-]

smith picks/roster2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) -4.05 (53) -5.08 (72) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)3.05 (37) -

Seems to be working well so far. I'm not so sure about having 2 TEs already, but your scoring system does benefit them. How does the top 5 TEs compare to the RBs? With your team, I might be looking at Lynch @ 1.02 instead of CJ, but either is a good choice.

 

[datonn]

With my second pick (3.16), I took RB Deuce McAllister, Saints. Thought I would end up with a guy like Donald Driver or Santana Moss here, but it didn't work out that way. I had three other players rated "close" in value to Deuce, but Deuce was the BPA on my board. Consequently, he was my pick. We'll see what's left at 4.04.....

 

[comfortably numb]

With my second pick (3.16), I took RB Deuce McAllister, Saints. Thought I would end up with a guy like Donald Driver or Santana Moss here, but it didn't work out that way. I had three other players rated "close" in value to Deuce, but Deuce was the BPA on my board. Consequently, he was my pick. We'll see what's left at 4.04.....

With your BPA strategy, you really got the bargain with Rudi & Duece is high up there as well.It looks like you are just picking up the "scraps" everyone else leaves behind, and getting good value, lets see how it continues to pay...

 

[dirtyhalos]

smith picks/roster2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) -4.05 (53) -5.08 (72) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)3.05 (37) -

What makes you so sure Calvin will be there????

he will be

 

[datonn]

With your BPA strategy, you really got the bargain with Rudi & Deuce is high up there as well.It looks like you are just picking up the "scraps" everyone else leaves behind, and getting good value, lets see how it continues to pay...

Yeah, my preferred strategy in dynasty start-ups is a three-prong approach:1. Move down from the top, building a war-chest of picks 3-5 rounds "off-peak", then grab the best players left when I am on the clock, regardless of position or need. 2. Move up in the MIDDLE of the draft.....building depth with cheap "throw-in" picks that a lot of guys will include when trying to acquire a 1, 2 or 3.3. Move up off of the end of the draft, since the end of most drafts is just BRUTAL.....waiting hours for some guy to select a couple players at the end of their bench.I figure that even if I don't NEED a player like Deuce, take the best player on the board and then work the trade wires over the next seven months if I need to. Might work in this league, might "bust." My past experience though says that it works more often than not. I just hope you guys don't make me open up the draft RB/RB/RB/RB.

 

[comfortably numb]

Vince Young in the 2nd. Any opinions. I think it was early

The bigger issue is that this is the same team that started with Fitz, Holt & Steve Smith...and now doesn't pick again until 6.14 (pick 94). In a 16-team league, waiting to take your first RB until that late could really hurt...

Wow....all I can say is wow. I liked those first three picks of Fitz, SS & Holt with the PPR, but for the love of God passing on a RB and picking VY at that point seemed reckless in my opinion. I gotta say that owner has some stones.

I realize you only need to start 1 RB in this league, but who is that 1 RB going to be?

On a side note, watching this draft unfold during a boring day of work has been fun.

Who would you have gone with at RB in the at 2.14

With his draft to that point, I would have taken McAllister at 2.14. I have him as RB18 on my board, and selecting him @2.14 and RB20 off the board would have been reasonable Just a difference in drafting philosophy I guess. I would have gone RB there and looked for QB later. I wasn't trying to bash the guy, I like his balls to the wall strategy, I guess my 'Wow' comments came more from what I perceived as him pulling a 'crazy Ivan'. I expected him to zig and he zagged...good entertainment on a boring snowfilled day at work. Trading up to get McGahee @ 2.09 would have been even sweeter, that's hindsight, and that may not have been an option given the picks he had already dealt to get in the position he was in?

Deuce is good value, not sure I would have liked him @2.14 he just went @3.16I guess he was sold on Young, and as Bloom said he would have swiped him up in the 3rd.

I think I may have gone with a TE there.

But when you want a player and you know he won't be there at your next pick you have to reach.

 

[the_sig]

You can win in this format without a stud RB, you guys need to change your paradigm. Besides, Faletti will be able to trade one of his WR for a great RB once some of these teams see what their starting 3 WRs looks like.

I agree that the start 1 RB allows some flexibility and doesn't REQUIRE a 'stud RB'. But I also think it would have been an easier road to win with at least a middle of the pack RB (RB16-18) as opposed to perhaps a RB30 as your fantasy teams RB1, not to mention what type of depth will be there for his RB2 to fill in on bye or God forbid his team RB1 goes down?I'm not a fan of 'drafting to trade' unless some insane value presents itself. You say he can trade a WR for a 'great' RB? I'm not sure Holt will bring in a top 12 RB due to his age in dynasty?, Smith might break into that tier...might, and I think Fitz probably would, but why not just draft a RB at those spots where he took Fitz or Smith?

As another poster commented, this was a genius play if a serviceable RB falls to him at pick 94? If not, I think he may have needlessly hampered himself with the VY pick at 2.14 over a McAllister type RB there, IMHO.

This is a dynasty league. Passing on RBs to take Fitz might hurt his team in year one, but there are always good RBs entering the league (Lynch, Peterson) and there are always good RBs emerging from the later rounds (Betts, Drew, Gore, Turner). A guy like Fitz is gold in dynasty leagues. He'll be a top 10 WR long after guys like Chester Taylor and Shaun Alexander are riding the pine/out of the NFL.

I've learned the hard way that reaching for RBs in the early rounds is usually a weak dynasty strategy. Many of these second tier guys will fade into worthlessness while the top WR keep churning out great seasons. Remember Lee Suggs, Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, William Green, Anthony Thomas, Tatum Bell, Trung Canidate, DeShaun Foster, and Kevan Barlow? They were all early picks in the not-so-distant past.

The long list of overhyped RB busts is the reason why I shudder when I see teams take guys like Chester Taylor, Joseph Addai, Laurence Maroney, and Maurice Drew over someone like Chad Johnson. It's not that these RBs are bad players or that they don't have a chance to become stars, but rather that taking them so high is a bad value play given the risk.

Look at the last few draft classes. Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown were all consensus top 10 picks after their rookie seasons. Steven Jackson was also an early pick after his rookie year. He's the only player of this five to reach true stud status (unless you count KJ's 2006). I recognize the merits of last year's rookies, but I'd be uncomfortable gambling against the odds with a top 12 dynasty pick. It's just not the smart play, IMO.

EBF,I'm well aware this is dynasty. I realize the value of picking Fitz in PPR over a RB, I don't question that one bit. I LOVED his first 3 picks. My point was going Fitz, coming back with SSmith...sweet...then on to Holt, ok...then VY and NO picks until 94th overall? Sure, every year we have a Gore, MJD, Betts...problem is, as one poster mentioned earlier, everyone in this league is also looking for the next Gore, MJD, etc....I wouldn't feel comfortable assuming I'd be the one who makes that correct call amongst 15 other very astute owners. For those owners, finding the next Gore is sweet, for this owner it almost seems a must?

 

[the_sig]

Just to drive the point home, I'd like to give some examples of some of my own "speculative" dynasty picks that ultimately bombed horribly:

Kevan Barlow in the 1st

William Green in the 2nd

DeShaun Foster in the 3rd

Lee Suggs in the 4th

Charles Rogers in the 4th

These were all of the "next big thing" variety. When I've played it safe and taken a boring veteran, I've had a much better success rate. Even some of my veteran picks that looked like busts after a year ended up paying dividends eventually after bounce back seasons (Travis Henry and Ahman Green last year).

That doesn't mean there isn't a place for youth. All of these past failures didn't stop me from taking Reggie Bush at 1.03 in a PPR last year. I think the key point is to recognize that guys like Bush are the exception to the rule and that most of the players being hyped up as the stars of tomorrow probably won't ultimately live up to that billing.

That's why I get a little irked when I see the whole lot of Addai, D-Will, Drew, Bush, and Maroney going in the top 20. People are dreaming.

See bolded above.That was exactly what I said I'd do, McAllister @ 2.14 and 20th RB off the board. Seemed a reasonably safe vet pick to me, with a smidge of value, and the 'safety' of at least locking in a reasonable vet RB before my picks fell of the cliff and I had no more until pick 94. I never advocated going Addai, MJD, or Maroney, I loved his first three WR picks.

 

[EBF]

You can win in this format without a stud RB, you guys need to change your paradigm. Besides, Faletti will be able to trade one of his WR for a great RB once some of these teams see what their starting 3 WRs looks like.

I agree that the start 1 RB allows some flexibility and doesn't REQUIRE a 'stud RB'. But I also think it would have been an easier road to win with at least a middle of the pack RB (RB16-18) as opposed to perhaps a RB30 as your fantasy teams RB1, not to mention what type of depth will be there for his RB2 to fill in on bye or God forbid his team RB1 goes down?I'm not a fan of 'drafting to trade' unless some insane value presents itself. You say he can trade a WR for a 'great' RB? I'm not sure Holt will bring in a top 12 RB due to his age in dynasty?, Smith might break into that tier...might, and I think Fitz probably would, but why not just draft a RB at those spots where he took Fitz or Smith?

As another poster commented, this was a genius play if a serviceable RB falls to him at pick 94? If not, I think he may have needlessly hampered himself with the VY pick at 2.14 over a McAllister type RB there, IMHO.

This is a dynasty league. Passing on RBs to take Fitz might hurt his team in year one, but there are always good RBs entering the league (Lynch, Peterson) and there are always good RBs emerging from the later rounds (Betts, Drew, Gore, Turner). A guy like Fitz is gold in dynasty leagues. He'll be a top 10 WR long after guys like Chester Taylor and Shaun Alexander are riding the pine/out of the NFL.

I've learned the hard way that reaching for RBs in the early rounds is usually a weak dynasty strategy. Many of these second tier guys will fade into worthlessness while the top WR keep churning out great seasons. Remember Lee Suggs, Chris Brown, Michael Bennett, William Green, Anthony Thomas, Tatum Bell, Trung Canidate, DeShaun Foster, and Kevan Barlow? They were all early picks in the not-so-distant past.

The long list of overhyped RB busts is the reason why I shudder when I see teams take guys like Chester Taylor, Joseph Addai, Laurence Maroney, and Maurice Drew over someone like Chad Johnson. It's not that these RBs are bad players or that they don't have a chance to become stars, but rather that taking them so high is a bad value play given the risk.

Look at the last few draft classes. Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown were all consensus top 10 picks after their rookie seasons. Steven Jackson was also an early pick after his rookie year. He's the only player of this five to reach true stud status (unless you count KJ's 2006). I recognize the merits of last year's rookies, but I'd be uncomfortable gambling against the odds with a top 12 dynasty pick. It's just not the smart play, IMO.

EBF,I'm well aware this is dynasty. I realize the value of picking Fitz in PPR over a RB, I don't question that one bit. I LOVED his first 3 picks. My point was going Fitz, coming back with SSmith...sweet...then on to Holt, ok...then VY and NO picks until 94th overall? Sure, every year we have a Gore, MJD, Betts...problem is, as one poster mentioned earlier, everyone in this league is also looking for the next Gore, MJD, etc....I wouldn't feel comfortable assuming I'd be the one who makes that correct call amongst 15 other very astute owners. For those owners, finding the next Gore is sweet, for this owner it almost seems a must?

Yea, but realize that with those three WRs and maybe one more from the round 7-9 range, he probably won't have to draft another WR for 3-5 years. That gives him a lot of power in the rookie draft. And if this is a start 1 RB league then this strategy is particularly interesting, because he really only needs to find one diamond in the rough. I'm not saying I would've gone WR/WR/WR, but it's certainly interesting.

 

[redman]

Most people don't realize that LJ is over 27 years old, and almost four years younger than Jackson.

you might want to rephrase that.

 

[dirtyhalos]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

 

[datonn]

With my 4.04 pick, I stuck to my guns and went with "BPA". On my board, that meant QB Donovan McNabb, Eagles. Dude is a consistent STUD on the field from a fantasy perspective. The problem has been keeping him on the field. I also looked at another QB, two RBs, a WR and a TE with this pick, but in the end, I had to go with McNabb. Probably not the "consensus" BPA at this point, but the highest rated player left on my board.

Thank goodness it wasn't a RB, LOL.

 

[redman]

With my 4.04 pick, I stuck to my guns and went with "BPA". On my board, that meant QB Donovan McNabb, Eagles. Dude is a consistent STUD on the field from a fantasy perspective. The problem has been keeping him on the field. I also looked at another QB, two RBs, a WR and a TE with this pick, but in the end, I had to go with McNabb. Probably not the "consensus" BPA at this point, but the highest rated player left on my board.Thank goodness it wasn't a RB, LOL.

When McNabb (and his teammates) are healthy he's usually top three in points per game. Hard to criticize that pick.

 

[redman]

I traded down out of 2.16:

Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.16Ben Bregitzer gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.06;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.16

Ok, after my trade down, my picks among the first 100 look like this:

Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments 1.01 1. Chris Overton Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Mon Feb 12 10:46:15 a.m. ET 2007 3.01 33. Chris Overton Colston, Marques NOS WR Tue Feb 13 12:58:21 p.m. ET 2007 4.06 54. Chris Overton Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Wed Feb 14 1:24:24 a.m. ET 2007 4.16 64. Chris Overton 5.01 65. Chris Overton 6.16 97. Chris Overton7.01 98. Chris Overton

I'm pleased so far with the way this is going.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Marion Barber III should not have been at 4.09.

Thanks.

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB

3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR

4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB

 

[Will Grant]

I'm pretty happy with my team so far:

1.12 - MJD

2.01 - Wayne

4.01 - Benson

4.03 - Shockey (wanted Edwards)

4.07 - Coles (80 or more catches in 4 of his last 5 seasons)

 

[Buckna]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

I love this squad. I figured someone would try this strategy of young WR/TE's plus Turner and I think it looks very good for you. Going Johnson vs Lynch is something to ponder, but you have a lot of time to think about it.

 

[dirtyhalos]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

I love this squad. I figured someone would try this strategy of young WR/TE's plus Turner and I think it looks very good for you. Going Johnson vs Lynch is something to ponder, but you have a lot of time to think about it.

me too.....i definately could have gone safer on vernon (gonzo), braylon (burress or coles) or on turner (several safer vets). but this team is going to be fun to watch develop, all 3 of those guys mentioned i feel are knocking on the door of the next level, and i am really hoping that is next year. i am guessing this may be a prime example of a 2 year out strategy. whatever it is, i am excited

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

You'll need it......

 

[redman]

Anyone seen Rudnicki? PM?

 

[-OZ-]

smith picks/roster2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR4.02 (50) -4.05 (53) -5.08 (72) -1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)3.05 (37) -

What makes you so sure Calvin will be there????

he will be

If he's not, you get Peterson, which is better for you anyway.

 

[-OZ-]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

You'll need it......

He might have a rough first year, but I'm liking his plan right now. I don't know that he'll be one of the top franchises, but this is shaping up well for him. FWIW, I'm not entirely sure that Turner is worth the #53 pick, but I hope he is.

 

[redman]

I think the RB's have already had much too much emphasis in this draft. That's all I'll say for now, but we'll see how it plays out.

The more I've thought about it the more I like Chadick's approach.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think the RB's have already had much too much emphasis in this draft. That's all I'll say for now, but we'll see how it plays out. The more I've thought about it the more I like Chadick's approach.

I would say Chadick is in the lead right now.

 

[dirtyhalos]

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

You'll need it......

He might have a rough first year, but I'm liking his plan right now. I don't know that he'll be one of the top franchises, but this is shaping up well for him. FWIW, I'm not entirely sure that Turner is worth the #53 pick, but I hope he is.

i concur with turner, i debated for some time on that pick in particular, i have my next pick tabbed for a particular need so if i didnt want to punt rbs completely i had to go rb there at 53....i looked long and hard at barber, but i think turner just has more talent, and this early i wanted to get the premium talent and let the cards fall where they may

 

[Buckna]

I think the RB's have already had much too much emphasis in this draft. That's all I'll say for now, but we'll see how it plays out. The more I've thought about it the more I like Chadick's approach.

:( I would say Chadick is in the lead right now.

Definitely a front-runner for year 1 at this early point of the draft. After that his 2 best WR's will be 36 and 35 years old in the 2008 season. Jerry Rice did make the Pro-Bowl when he was 40 so who knows maybe these two guys can keep it up in their "twilight" years.

 

[redman]

I think the RB's have already had much too much emphasis in this draft. That's all I'll say for now, but we'll see how it plays out. The more I've thought about it the more I like Chadick's approach.

I would say Chadick is in the lead right now.

Definitely a front-runner for year 1 at this early point of the draft. After that his 2 best WR's will be 36 and 35 years old in the 2008 season. Jerry Rice did make the Pro-Bowl when he was 40 so who knows maybe these two guys can keep it up in their "twilight" years.

Brian Smith (dirtyhalos) has essentially subscribed to the same approach, but has gone with youth. I like his approach too.

 

[Warpig]

I dunno...I'm liking my chances in my division...

1.11 - Lawrence Maroney

2.06 - Chester Taylor

2.16 - Drew Brees

3.11 - Todd Heap

To be honest, I hated picking in the 11 spot. I didn't want to take the RB's I did but I planned on starting two RB's.

I think Maroney is similar to Steven Jackson in his ability (and looks) and will be a nice cog on my team for a long time.

Taylor...meh...If that O-line in Minny gels this year, he could be pretty valuable. The offense will have to run through him. They need a QB. He also had 42 receptions which is what I was looking for in my RB's.

Brees - I didn't think he would be around for my next pick (3.11) since he was the 2nd highest scoring QB in that format after Peyton and Peyton went a round earlier. He's only 28 or so and can lead my team to many playoff appearances.

Heap - he's averaged 70+ rcpts and 6.5 td's the last two years. As long as McNair or Boller are at the reigns he should maintain that level. I thought Crumpler here, but with a new coach and new philosophy I was concerned about how involved Crumpler would be in a spread offense. Not to mention Heap averaged nearly 20 more catches than Alge.

I know I don't have any WR's, but WR's are a dime a dozen and you can always find diamonds in the rough. I'll be keeping an eye on the waiver wire and looking at un-drafted rookies and such.

I think my team is the best in my division (so-far). I also have the #6 rookie pick and will be flexible in what I take there.

 

[lions327]

I have enjoyed sitting in the stands and watching the various strategies in building a team. I have a few thoughts so far:

smith picks/roster

2.05 (21) - Gates, Antonio SDC TE

3.04 (36) - Walker, Javon DEN WR

3.12 (44) - Davis, Vernon SFO TE

3.13 (45) - Moss, Santana WAS WR

4.02 (50) - Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

4.05 (53) - Turner, Michael SDC RB

5.08 (72) -

1.02 (2) - Johnson, Calvin TBD WR (eventually)

3.05 (37) -

wish me luck!!!

I like Smiths team, a nice core of solid young players. Getting Gates at 21 was great value in this scoring format. With Walker and Moss, he has 2 proven WR's, plus the great upside of Braylon. Vernon and Turner also have tremendous upside. Adding rookie 1.02, and he has a strong young core.

I traded down out of 2.16:

Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.16

Ben Bregitzer gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.06;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.16

Ok, after my trade down, my picks among the first 100 look like this:
Pick Ovr Franchise Selection Date/Time Comments 1.01 1. Chris Overton Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Mon Feb 12 10:46:15 a.m. ET 2007 3.01 33. Chris Overton Colston, Marques NOS WR Tue Feb 13 12:58:21 p.m. ET 2007 4.06 54. Chris Overton Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Wed Feb 14 1:24:24 a.m. ET 2007 4.16 64. Chris Overton 5.01 65. Chris Overton 6.16 97. Chris Overton7.01 98. Chris OvertonI'm pleased so far with the way this is going.

This is another team I like. I liked the trade down from 2.16, the extra pick will help (you don't have pick 80, 5.16 listed here btw). With LT plus 2 solid WR's, and 64, 65 and 80, you should also have a solid core to start with.

Marion Barber III should not have been at 4.09.

Thanks.

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB

3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR

4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB

I'm pretty happy with my team so far:

1.12 - MJD

2.01 - Wayne

4.01 - Benson

4.03 - Shockey (wanted Edwards)

4.07 - Coles (80 or more catches in 4 of his last 5 seasons)

I really like this team, He got value throughout, and made great use of his three 4th round picks.

I think the RB's have already had much too much emphasis in this draft. That's all I'll say for now, but we'll see how it plays out.

The more I've thought about it the more I like Chadick's approach.

I would have liked Chadicks team more, at least long term, if one of the older WR's was not taken, in lieu of a younger one. For this year though, he has the strongest looking team up to now. Owens is always a risk, and I personally think a safer and younger WR would have been better, since he already had one older one. But having S Jax, Manning, plus Harrison and T.O. is strong.

I dunno...I'm liking my chances in my division...

1.11 - Lawrence Maroney

2.06 - Chester Taylor

2.16 - Drew Brees

3.11 - Todd Heap

I would have liked this team better if he had a WR in place of either Brees or Chester. I like Brees and chester both, but not both together with no WR's. I liked Bloom trading up to get Evans to go with Andre and LJ. I personally like S Jax more than LJ, but it's hard to question someone like Bloom. I also think the fact that he does so well drafting/trading with everyone knowing who he likes says a lot.

The above is just one mans opinion on a few select teams. This is pretty interesting to watch.

 

[cscmtp]

I think its amazing that Derek Tonn only gave up not having a 2nd round pick and STILL has a 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders, 4 6th rounders, and at least one pick in every round through the first 20 rounds!!! And starting off with McNabb, McAllister, and Rudi is solid too.

 

[redman]

I think its amazing that Derek Tonn only gave up not having a 2nd round pick and STILL has a 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders, 4 6th rounders, and at least one pick in every round through the first 20 rounds!!! And starting off with McNabb, McAllister, and Rudi is solid too.

Yeah, I just checked to see if he'd done this by trading his rookie picks (rounds 46-50) but he actually still has five of those, including 3 in the second round of the rookie draft! He basically traded all of his picks from the last nine rounds to get into the top 10 rounds. I'm not sure how he did it but I think some leaguemates of mine have gotten taken for a ride on some of these trades. Brilliant positioning of himself in the draft via pre-draft trades.

 

[datonn]

I'm not sure how he did it but I think some leaguemates of mine have gotten taken for a ride on some of these trades. Brilliant positioning of himself in the draft via pre-draft trades.

FINALLY all those hypnosis and voodoo workshops are paying off......

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have enjoyed sitting in the stands and watching the various strategies in building a team. I have a few thoughts so far:

Marion Barber III should not have been at 4.09.

Thanks.

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB

3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR

4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB

speechless?

I just moved up to 4.11 to take Alge Crumpler.

I would have liked Chadicks team more, at least long term, if one of the older WR's was not taken, in lieu of I liked Bloom trading up to get Evans to go with Andre and LJ. I personally like S Jax more than LJ, but it's hard to question someone like Bloom. I also think the fact that he does so well drafting/trading with everyone knowing who he likes says a lot.

The above is just one mans opinion on a few select teams. This is pretty interesting to watch.

Actually not that hard to question Bloom. I do it all the time. Try it, it's fun.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB4.10 Alge Crumpler - ATL - TENext picks: 5.13, 6.10, 7.07, 8.13, 9.02, 9.04, 10.13, 11.10, 12.07

Moved up from 4.14 to 4.10 for a few spots drop in the 6th and 7th (about 5 each). Slight "price", but I got a solid TE with PPR premium (1.5).

 

[lions327]

I have enjoyed sitting in the stands and watching the various strategies in building a team. I have a few thoughts so far:

Marion Barber III should not have been at 4.09.

Thanks.

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB

3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR

4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB

speechless?

I just moved up to 4.11 to take Alge Crumpler.

I would have liked Chadicks team more, at least long term, if one of the older WR's was not taken, in lieu of I liked Bloom trading up to get Evans to go with Andre and LJ. I personally like S Jax more than LJ, but it's hard to question someone like Bloom. I also think the fact that he does so well drafting/trading with everyone knowing who he likes says a lot.

The above is just one mans opinion on a few select teams. This is pretty interesting to watch.

Actually not that hard to question Bloom. I do it all the time. Try it, it's fun.

Oops...I had went back to double check to see if you had picked since the last posted one, and guess I forgot to type a response. I thought Bush would have been better with his age/upside, instead of Westbrook. Barber was a great value pick. I liked the trading up to get Crumpler, especially in this scoring format, and you didn't give up much for the move. WR depth is one concern up to now. Not a bad start though in my opinion.

 

[lions327]

I think its amazing that Derek Tonn only gave up not having a 2nd round pick and STILL has a 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders, 4 6th rounders, and at least one pick in every round through the first 20 rounds!!! And starting off with McNabb, McAllister, and Rudi is solid too.

Yeah, I just checked to see if he'd done this by trading his rookie picks (rounds 46-50) but he actually still has five of those, including 3 in the second round of the rookie draft! He basically traded all of his picks from the last nine rounds to get into the top 10 rounds. I'm not sure how he did it but I think some leaguemates of mine have gotten taken for a ride on some of these trades. Brilliant positioning of himself in the draft via pre-draft trades.

I love the strategy he used to trade back, especially since he gained so much for so little. From an "armchair drafter" perspective, he may have tried to get back into an earlier spot to get a top level WR. He would still have had plenty of the depth left. The hindsight is 20-20 applies though. Just thinking outloud. I definitely think he will have one of the deepest teams right off the start. Deuce was among the best value picks in the draft thus far. Great job of trading so far overall.

 

[EBF]

1.04 Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB3.08 Donald Driver - GB - WR4.09 Marion Barber III - DAL - RB4.10 Alge Crumpler - ATL - TENext picks: 5.13, 6.10, 7.07, 8.13, 9.02, 9.04, 10.13, 11.10, 12.07

Moved up from 4.14 to 4.10 for a few spots drop in the 6th and 7th (about 5 each). Slight "price", but I got a solid TE with PPR premium (1.5).

I like your players. The only pick I question is the Barber selection. With Westbrook, Driver, and Crumpler, your team would appear to be in "win now" mode. I'm not sure if Barber jives with that mentality. He's a good player with a decent chance to eventually become a starter in the league, but I think his abnormally high TD total inflated his value a bit and I wonder how useful he'll be for you next year if Julius Jones is still in town.

 

[redman]

4.12 60. Terry Winfree Merriman, Shawne SDC LB Wed Feb 14 3:22:59 p.m. ET 2007
Kind of amusing that the first IDP selected is a guy who has no coordinator or head coach, and who is facing a year-long suspension the next time he's caught with a performance enhancing or illegal drug.

 

[KTM]

I had a tough time deciding between BPA or filling a need. I went with need since I now have a 5rd hiatus...

QB - Peyton

RB - SJax

RB - Edge

WR - Harrison

WR - TO

Now I'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill out my O and start on my IDP. This is where teams are going to separate...

 

[Warpig]

I had a tough time deciding between BPA or filling a need. I went with need since I now have a 5rd hiatus...QB - PeytonRB - SJaxRB - EdgeWR - HarrisonWR - TONow I'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill out my O and start on my IDP. This is where teams are going to separate...

Has there been any progress in the draft today? I don't have access to the site from work. Yet amazingly I can get to the FBG site.

 

[KTM]

I had a tough time deciding between BPA or filling a need. I went with need since I now have a 5rd hiatus...QB - PeytonRB - SJaxRB - EdgeWR - HarrisonWR - TONow I'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill out my O and start on my IDP. This is where teams are going to separate...

Has there been any progress in the draft today? I don't have access to the site from work. Yet amazingly I can get to the FBG site.

I held things up most of the day. Lost power/internet for most of the day due to the ice storm. Things are just now getting back on track (we're waiting on pick 4.14 now)

 

[datonn]

At 4.13, I had Tom Brady as the best player available on my board. However, with McNabb already in tow, I felt that another 30-31 year old QB at this stage wouldn't be the best direction for the franchise (not to mention the POUNDING I would have taken from guys in the league and in here for avoiding my glaring need at WR). After a second QB was also atop my BPA board, the next name on my list was WR Reggie Brown, Eagles. He is a big target for McNabb with the potential for the big play (rewarded a bit higher in our scoring system). And, at age 26, he's just starting to come into his own. Not quite what I envisioned as a "WR1" heading into the draft, but not a bad start at building-out my WR corps. The THIRD best player available at 4.13 - (broke my own rules), but taking a QB with that pick would have been suicide as far as my line-up is concerned.