Same. Catholic school for 12 years. I never cared for going to Chuch, fought my parents really hard about getting confirmed but my parents ended up making a strong argument:Was raised Catholic. It never meant anything to me.
Just a bunch of memorized prayers I recited without question until later in life.
I’m cool with people believing in God. Why wouldn’t I be? But organized religion is just awful.
I very much look forward to the day when these Bronze-aged religions are viewed by society as being no different than Ancient Egyptians worshiping the sun. Unfortunately, despite the fact that we live in the information age, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?I very much look forward to the day when these Bronze-aged religions are viewed by society as being no different than Ancient Egyptians worshiping the sun. Unfortunately, despite the fact that we live in the information age, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
You should look up the definition of both before you erroneously declare them to be the same.
Are either of you going to elaborate, or do you believe you've sufficiently made a point here?Words have meaning, and it appears you don’t know the meaning of either word.
this is a true statement in America. bananas.Politics has become a worse cult...
While society is moving in the right direction, I think it's a slow evolution. Many people are still being brought up under the same religious doctrines that their parents were and don't bother to deeply question what they were taught when they're younger. Also, I don't think there's been a pronounced secular alternative to fill the gap of hope and community that religion provides for many. We'll get there eventually, but it's going to take time for concepts like atheism and secular humanism to lose their negative stigmas.Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?
Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?
Add to that the newer, even weirder ones like Scientology that pop up too. I doubt we ever get to the point that you are hoping for (even though I would love to see it happen as well).I very much look forward to the day when these Bronze-aged religions are viewed by society as being no different than Ancient Egyptians worshiping the sun. Unfortunately, despite the fact that we live in the information age, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
I very much look forward to the day when these Bronze-aged religions are viewed by society as being no different than Ancient Egyptians worshiping the sun. Unfortunately, despite the fact that we live in the information age, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
It will happen eventually. The time needed is inversely correlated with the amount of power the GOP has.Politics has become a worse cult...
Religion was invented because people are conscious, self-aware and ultimately fear death. So long as that remains tru, there will be religion.Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?
Raised Catholic, went to catholic grade school through 8th grade and attended church twice per week (mid week during school and every Sunday with parents).Same. Catholic school for 12 years. I never cared for going to Chuch, fought my parents really hard about getting confirmed but my parents ended up making a strong argument:
- If you don't get confirmed, you might not be able to attend the high school with all your friends.
- If you think this religion this is a bunch of nonsense than being confirmed means nothing so what difference does it make?
Do you expect this evolution to speed up over time? Will gods be rejected at a faster rate?While society is moving in the right direction, I think it's a slow evolution.
Why do you think people don't deeply question what they were taught? Does deeply questioning necessarily lead to a change in belief or do you think you can deeply question and still believe?Many people are still being brought up under the same religious doctrines that their parents were and don't bother to deeply question what they were taught when they're younger.
Do you think a secular alternative would remain secular or would it just turn into another religion?Also, I don't think there's been a pronounced secular alternative to fill the gap of hope and community that religion provides for many.
Even as a Christian, I'd love to see atheism and other competing beliefs lose their stigma. I'm a fan of people being able to share what they believe without fear. Continuing stigmas is a sign that one side doesn't really want to learn about the other side and think they have it all figured out.We'll get there eventually, but it's going to take time for concepts like atheism and secular humanism to lose their negative stigmas.
A lot of churches aren't like that. Of course, they may do other things you find weird.Now when I do go to church it just weirds me out....big groups of people knowingly chanting on queue, the up down up down kneeling when a person extends a hand, single file lines with your head down to receive a sliver of bread.
The human instrument is designed for triumph - over hard ground, capricious elements, rapacious foes. God was invented (even if he already existed) to put reasons behind effort and make "thrive" the step past "survive".Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?
I agree that the moral lessons stuck with me. Jesus was a great guy, but all the pomp and ritual has never been for me.Raised Catholic, went to catholic grade school through 8th grade and attended church twice per week (mid week during school and every Sunday with parents).
I pray at night, live a good life and am good to others so the upbringing helped get me to that. But, the idea that if you don't go to church for 1 hr a week than you aren't a good Christian is just ridiculous to me. The lightbulb moment for me was when I was around 13 yrs old and I remember distinctly having the thought.....if God knows everything, than he also knows that I'm hating sitting in this church right now and would rather be at home getting ready to watch football. From that point forward I looked at attending church with a different lens and it really changed my perception of it.
Now when I do go to church it just weirds me out....big groups of people knowingly chanting on queue, the up down up down kneeling when a person extends a hand, single file lines with your head down to receive a sliver of bread.
I live life everyday in a way that represents goodness which is what really matters. Chanting in church for an hour a week or not eating meat on a Friday doesn't change any of that
I was raised Catholic as well. Even have my son in the same Catholic school I went to but I'm not a fan of organized religion all that much.Was raised Catholic. It never meant anything to me.
Just a bunch of memorized prayers I recited without question until later in life.
I’m cool with people believing in God. Why wouldn’t I be? But organized religion is just awful.
It is really simple. They program, err teach them young and it is deeply ingrained in them.D
Why do you think people don't deeply question what they were taught?
Because they promise an afterlife and put men in power while teaching women to be submissive. For a lot of people that appears solve their biggest life challenges.Any theories on why it hasn't happened yet? Why have humans ditched some gods but not others?
This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.A Virgin Mary statue has been ‘weeping’ olive oil. Church leaders can’t explain it.
This is happening today. 2018.
Olive oil.
They do (when permitted). Do a google search and you can find several samples. But those with deep belief in such "miracles" are not going to be swayed by actual evidence.This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.
I don't need the scientific method. I don't need tapes.This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.
Extra virgin?A Virgin Mary statue has been ‘weeping’ olive oil. Church leaders can’t explain it.
This is happening today. 2018.
Olive oil.
Given your stance, it would be utterly impossible for anyone to demonstrate a miracle (should one ever occur). So it would be impossible for you to be challenged on your implicit claim that miracles never happen. Airtight.matuski said:I don't need the scientific method. I don't need tapes.
Statues don't cry olive oil. I don't find it particularly interesting how they pumped olive oil through the upper eyelid of a statue, or why olive oil (water dries before anyone notices?).
I care far more that people are dumb enough to buy it.
You won't need a scientific experiment to prove a true miracle. If a "miracle" ever occurs it would be self evident.Given your stance, it would be utterly impossible for anyone to demonstrate a miracle (should one ever occur). So it would be impossible for you to be challenged on your implicit claim that miracles never happen. Airtight.
Is this more of a meditation or do you believe you are having a conversation with God? Not nitpicking I just found this part interesting given that the rest of your post suggested you had more or less left religion behind.I pray at night,
"I could end poverty and hunger in the world, or cancer, or hate... nah, i'll drip olive oil out of this statue in New Mexico."The statue is hollow and someone stashed their sausage and peppers lunch in there and forgot about it.
all part of the plan..."I could end poverty and hunger in the world, or cancer, or hate... nah, i'll drip olive oil out of this statue in New Mexico."
I'm gonna have to remember this one.The statue is hollow and I stashed my sausage and peppers in there
I wouldn't say I've left religion behind. I believe in a greater power and I live my life in a good way as a reflection of that. The idea if I do bad things, than bad things will come back to happen to me, and vice versa....live a good life, and good things will happen. At some level that I can't fully explain or comprehend (obviously), I feel that God has power over those good and bad things happening to me.Is this more of a meditation or do you believe you are having a conversation with God? Not nitpicking I just found this part interesting given that the rest of your post suggested you had more or less left religion behind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challengepecorino said:This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.
You want scientists wasting their time running around debunking crying statues?pecorino said:This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.
Terriblepecorino said:This kind of thing happens now and then (there was a church outside Chicago with a similar phenomenon and several claims of healing miracles a while back). I take it from your response that you’re either skeptical or more likely just flat out believe that it’s a hoax perpetrated by a churchgoer or a member of the clergy. If we’re going to rely on rationalism, which I’m all for, I’d love to see these kinds of claims truly scientifically tested. In other words, who is filming it and analyzing the tape? Can the liquid be analyzed and traced? Etc. I want a scientist to apply the scientific method to refute these kinds of claims if they are indeed hoaxes rather than just assuming they are bunk or not.