Report: After the Minnesota/New England game... (1 Viewer)

[davearm]

WTF is Wilf doing meeting with players to ask if what he should do with Childress?

What a dysfunctional organization; top to bottom.

According to Judd Zulgad and Chip Scoggins of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Wilf has spent two days at the team's facility this week. Wilf's work has included meeting with some players individually -- and the meetings reportedly have included discussions about Childress.

Again, you assume this means Wilf actively solicited players' opinions about Childress. Maybe he did, and maybe the players volunteered that unpromped. At any rate, nowhere does it say that Wilf met with players "to ask what he should do with Childress."Look the team he owns is melting down right now. I'm not sure how Wilf getting more hands-on with things at this stage somehow contributes to the dysfunction or makes him part of the problem. I mean, wouldn't you be doing the same thing if you were in his shoes?

 

[SayWhat?]

Childress is the knucklehead who got the 12-men in the huddle penalty prior to that, putting the Vikings in that 3rd and long. Plus, he is the dope who saw Favre get them down the field with passes, and then got all conservative and started running the ball once they got inside the 35. Not excusing Favre's INT, but the way Childress coached that last minute was absolutely atrocious.

No he didn't. He's players need to know the rules as well.

Unless you're talking about something standard like the FG unit or punt team, coaches typically dictate and communicate the substitutions/package of players they want in the game. It's not a matter of the players knowing the rules, as I'm quite sure coaches and players are quite aware that only 11 players play on offense. Childress and his staff failed to communicate, coming out of a timeout, whom they wanted in the game resulting in the penalty. That's on Childress and his staff, not the players.

 

[cvnpoka]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5768760

 

[CletiusMaximus]

what the hell - let's just put the Love Boat, the Whizzinator and Fran Tarkenton's insanity on Chilly as well.

Fire Childress, bring in Gruden, and you guys will be right back there on the train to the superbowl!!

 

[gethugefast1]

ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf very nearly fired coach Brad Childress after Childress decided on his own to waive Randy Moss earlier this week.

Childress didn't even run it by the owner before making the announcement in a Monday morning team meeting. Wilf was reportedly "furious about being circumvented," and considered firing Childress and keeping Moss. Hence, the transaction being delayed until Tuesday. Wilf's team probably would've been better off with Childress gone, Leslie Frazier as head coach, and Randy Moss attracting double coverage down the sideline for the remainder of the season. It's unclear what convinced Wilf to keep Chilly around.

Source: ESPN.com

Guy has 9 Lives.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Was way too fast to sign him to a new contract when absolutely nobody was interested in him. Now he's falling apart and you can't cut bait? You're telling me there's nothing in his contract that says he isn't allowed to BLOW A 3RD ROUND PICK FOR A 3 WEEK RENTAL? HOW ABOUT 3 STRIKES YOU'RE OUT FOR MISMANAGING PLAYER FIRINGS?

I want to strangle my laptop monitor right now

 

[SWC]

honest questoin --- how many people truly hated chilly this much before brett weiner texter favre arrived and started batmouthing him.../???

 

[ookook]

SWC just must not be paying attention. Calls to fire Childress started his first season and have continued. Favre's problems this year and Childress' poor in-game coaching are relatively independent.

 

[davearm]

SWC just must not be paying attention. Calls to fire Childress started his first season and have continued. Favre's problems this year and Childress' poor in-game coaching are relatively independent.

Agreed. Some friends are Vikes fans and they've been hating Childress for years.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

 

[Dr. Awesome]

ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf very nearly fired coach Brad Childress after Childress decided on his own to waive Randy Moss earlier this week.Childress didn't even run it by the owner before making the announcement in a Monday morning team meeting. Wilf was reportedly "furious about being circumvented," and considered firing Childress and keeping Moss. Hence, the transaction being delayed until Tuesday. Wilf's team probably would've been better off with Childress gone, Leslie Frazier as head coach, and Randy Moss attracting double coverage down the sideline for the remainder of the season. It's unclear what convinced Wilf to keep Chilly around.Source: ESPN.com Guy has 9 Lives.

I would have respected the hell out of the owner if he had done that.

 

[Chiwawa]

Rumor has it Wilf has been talking to a few agents about their clients availability for, interest in the Minnesota coaching job. However, Billick, mentioned above apparently is not on the list so far, and the list is only of currently unemployed coaches - for whatever it's worth. Purely rumor at this point, nothing other than word from a friend.

Thanks, please, please keep us updated Adam.

 

[cobalt_27]

Rumor has it Wilf has been talking to a few agents about their clients availability for, interest in the Minnesota coaching job. However, Billick, mentioned above apparently is not on the list so far, and the list is only of currently unemployed coaches - for whatever it's worth. Purely rumor at this point, nothing other than word from a friend.

Thanks, please, please keep us updated Adam.

I love how Adam has somehow found a way to confuse a conversation with his buddy as a "rumor." Typical, though.

 

[Sabertooth]

Was way too fast to sign him to a new contract when absolutely nobody was interested in him. Now he's falling apart and you can't cut bait? You're telling me there's nothing in his contract that says he isn't allowed to BLOW A 3RD ROUND PICK FOR A 3 WEEK RENTAL? HOW ABOUT 3 STRIKES YOU'RE OUT FOR MISMANAGING PLAYER FIRINGS? I want to strangle my laptop monitor right now

They can fire him. They just have to pay his salary for the rest of its duration.

 

[gethugefast1]

Was way too fast to sign him to a new contract when absolutely nobody was interested in him. Now he's falling apart and you can't cut bait? You're telling me there's nothing in his contract that says he isn't allowed to BLOW A 3RD ROUND PICK FOR A 3 WEEK RENTAL? HOW ABOUT 3 STRIKES YOU'RE OUT FOR MISMANAGING PLAYER FIRINGS? I want to strangle my laptop monitor right now

They can fire him. They just have to pay his salary for the rest of its duration.

4 million a year for 3 or 4 more years

 

[JohnnyU]

Report: Harvin, Chilly have 'heated' argument

Multiple sources tell the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that Percy Harvin and Vikings coach Brad Childress had a "heated" argument about the injured receiver's effort in Friday's practice.

As if we needed more confirmation that Chilly's lost the locker room. The Star-Trib has few other details, but Harvin played through a serious ankle injury last week and accounted for 135 all-purpose yards against the Patriots. Harvin is also known to be "furious" with Childress for waiving his close friend Randy Moss earlier in the week. Owner Zygi Wilf should've fired the coach when such a good opportunity presented itself on Tuesday. Worth noting: Beat writer Tom Pelissero suggested on Twitter Friday that Childress' firing wouldn't be a surprise if the Vikings lost Sunday's game against Arizona. Nov. 5 - 10:58 pm et

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

 

[ScottyFargo]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

 

[Vike Me]

Report: Harvin, Chilly have 'heated' argument

Multiple sources tell the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that Percy Harvin and Vikings coach Brad Childress had a "heated" argument about the injured receiver's effort in Friday's practice.

As if we needed more confirmation that Chilly's lost the locker room. The Star-Trib has few other details, but Harvin played through a serious ankle injury last week and accounted for 135 all-purpose yards against the Patriots. Harvin is also known to be "furious" with Childress for waiving his close friend Randy Moss earlier in the week. Owner Zygi Wilf should've fired the coach when such a good opportunity presented itself on Tuesday. Worth noting: Beat writer Tom Pelissero suggested on Twitter Friday that Childress' firing wouldn't be a surprise if the Vikings lost Sunday's game against Arizona. Nov. 5 - 10:58 pm et

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

I've never done this before and I sorta feel dirty for wishing it, but I'll be rooting for the Cards on Sunday.

I need a shower.

 

[Wreckincrew]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

I don't think Childress "traded for" Moss, I think it was Spielman & Wilf. Moss doesn't fit in the WCO because of his unwillingness to run the slants & underneath stuff. He wants to run down the field, raise his arm and catch rainbow TD passes. It looked to me that he wasn't trying very hard to do that anymore either, especially on the PI call where the ball landed 3 feet away from him.

 

[Heatman]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

I don't think Childress "traded for" Moss, I think it was Spielman & Wilf. Moss doesn't fit in the WCO because of his unwillingness to run the slants & underneath stuff. He wants to run down the field, raise his arm and catch rainbow TD passes. It looked to me that he wasn't trying very hard to do that anymore either, especially on the PI call where the ball landed 3 feet away from him.

Childress has control of the roster so it wasn't Speilman or Wilf, it was Chillys call and he knew, or should have known what he was getting into when he made the trade. The guy is horrible, heck I'd rather have Denny Green back or Tice than this guy, at least they had SOME idea of how to run an offense. I'm not saying I want either of those guys but they were better than Childress. Hopefully Wilf fires him and hires someone good for once.

 

[NJJets]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

I don't think Childress "traded for" Moss, I think it was Spielman & Wilf. Moss doesn't fit in the WCO because of his unwillingness to run the slants & underneath stuff. He wants to run down the field, raise his arm and catch rainbow TD passes. It looked to me that he wasn't trying very hard to do that anymore either, especially on the PI call where the ball landed 3 feet away from him.

Childress has control of the roster so it wasn't Speilman or Wilf, it was Chillys call and he knew, or should have known what he was getting into when he made the trade. The guy is horrible, heck I'd rather have Denny Green back or Tice than this guy, at least they had SOME idea of how to run an offense. I'm not saying I want either of those guys but they were better than Childress. Hopefully Wilf fires him and hires someone good for once.

I think that Wilf is leaning in that direction But he needs to keep Chily around just a little while longer (So that when he does fire Chily he can do it without having to pay him a fortune)

 

[cvnpoka]

Honest questoin --- how many people truly hated chilly this much before brett weiner texter favre arrived and started batmouthing him.../???

on the other board i frequent he has been universally considered the worst coach in the league for the last 3 yrs.eta its not a vikings board btw

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

I don't think Childress "traded for" Moss, I think it was Spielman & Wilf. Moss doesn't fit in the WCO because of his unwillingness to run the slants & underneath stuff. He wants to run down the field, raise his arm and catch rainbow TD passes. It looked to me that he wasn't trying very hard to do that anymore either, especially on the PI call where the ball landed 3 feet away from him.

you mean the play where he torched the db so bad that he had to spear moss midsection and blow him off track.

 

[Army Eye]

Any Viking fans want to see Brian Billick as the new coach? He was OC for the 15-1 Vikings team and I think he would be great in this situation - yes, he definitely wore out his welcome here in Baltimore but not before taking a pile of garbage that had never had a non-losing season and winning a Super Bowl. His greatest strength as a coach is his organization and his ability to create a shared vision of success within a franchise. After the disorganized lunacy on stark display in Minnesota right now, he could really get things straight.

Not a Vikings fan, but, absolutely think Billick would be a good guy for them to go after.

 

[ratpfink]

I'm aware that they can fire him, I was speaking to the idea that there would be language that would void debt if he failed to meet certain requirements or, as in the most likely case, he proved to be a total idiot and would trade for and then release Randy Moss.

I don't think Childress "traded for" Moss, I think it was Spielman & Wilf. Moss doesn't fit in the WCO because of his unwillingness to run the slants & underneath stuff. He wants to run down the field, raise his arm and catch rainbow TD passes. It looked to me that he wasn't trying very hard to do that anymore either, especially on the PI call where the ball landed 3 feet away from him.

Childress has control of the roster so it wasn't Speilman or Wilf, it was Chillys call and he knew, or should have known what he was getting into when he made the trade. The guy is horrible, heck I'd rather have Denny Green back or Tice than this guy, at least they had SOME idea of how to run an offense. I'm not saying I want either of those guys but they were better than Childress. Hopefully Wilf fires him and hires someone good for once.

You question the Childress kick-### offense? You're cut.

 

[FUBAR]

Zygi Wilf could be building a case against Childress

for those of us not completely familiar with how this works, why does he have to build a case or collect evidence to fire his employee? Is it in the contract or will it impact a severance package? If I'm an owner I just want to win, if it costs me some money to fire the loser, so be it.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Zygi Wilf could be building a case against Childress

for those of us not completely familiar with how this works, why does he have to build a case or collect evidence to fire his employee? Is it in the contract or will it impact a severance package? If I'm an owner I just want to win, if it costs me some money to fire the loser, so be it.

It'd be to save money, yes.

 

[FFdork]

Zygi Wilf could be building a case against Childress

for those of us not completely familiar with how this works, why does he have to build a case or collect evidence to fire his employee? Is it in the contract or will it impact a severance package? If I'm an owner I just want to win, if it costs me some money to fire the loser, so be it.

It'd be to save money, yes.

Isn't Chilly's contract guaranteed? I don't think he can save money unless he's going the Al Davis route. I think he's just evaluating if things have gotten bad enough that he needs to fire Childress now as opposed to at the end of the season.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

How many players saying "Fire the guy" will it take for Zygi to fire the guy? 15? 20?A DVD dropped on his desk with certain key decisions that were botched by Chilly, done up "NFL Bloopers" style, would probably do the trick.

exactly. Moss was fired for being right. Chilly is a Buffoon.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

ESPN's Ed Werder reports that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf very nearly fired coach Brad Childress after Childress decided on his own to waive Randy Moss earlier this week.Childress didn't even run it by the owner before making the announcement in a Monday morning team meeting. Wilf was reportedly "furious about being circumvented," and considered firing Childress and keeping Moss. Hence, the transaction being delayed until Tuesday. Wilf's team probably would've been better off with Childress gone, Leslie Frazier as head coach, and Randy Moss attracting double coverage down the sideline for the remainder of the season. It's unclear what convinced Wilf to keep Chilly around.Source: ESPN.com Guy has 9 Lives.

this would have been the only way to save the vikings season.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Honest questoin --- how many people truly hated chilly this much before brett weiner texter favre arrived and started batmouthing him.../???

The Favre chilly thing was bad last year. As much as a dislike him, favre is a helluva qb and knows football. He has worked with some of the great minds in the nfl. He clearly sees chilly is far from that. I don't think it has anything to do with the favres texting lil brett.

 

[SYMPHONY X]

Chilly is/has absolutely ripped this team apart. Just how in the heck is this guy still employed? Must has some dirt on Ziggy or something.

KFFL) Minnesota Vikings WR Percy Harvin (ankle) got into a heated exchange with head coach Brad Childress after Childress questioned Harvin's effort during practice Friday, Nov. 5, sources told Minneapolis Star Tribune's Judd Zulgad and Chip Scoggins.

 

[gethugefast1]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...

Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

 

[Donnybrook]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

 

[MIMN]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

Trying to put myself in Wilf's shoes, I would have called Favre on Monday to ask if he agreed with releasing Moss. If he did then I would have let it play out as it did. If he did not, I would have overruled Childress and kept Moss on the team. If Childress had a problem with that I would have removed all head coaching responsibilities or fired him.For Childress, I consider this a keystone move. He had better turn this year into a deep playoff run or be fired/demoted.I think both Childress and Wilf mishandled the situation to the detriment of the team. With Moss, Rice, ADP, Harvin, Schianco on this team they would have an awfully good argument for any free agent QBs for next year. I would plug McNabb in a heartbeat.

 

[gianmarco]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...

Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

Trying to put myself in Wilf's shoes, I would have called Favre on Monday to ask if he agreed with releasing Moss. If he did then I would have let it play out as it did. If he did not, I would have overruled Childress and kept Moss on the team. If Childress had a problem with that I would have removed all head coaching responsibilities or fired him.For Childress, I consider this a keystone move. He had better turn this year into a deep playoff run or be fired/demoted.

I think both Childress and Wilf mishandled the situation to the detriment of the team. With Moss, Rice, ADP, Harvin, Schianco on this team they would have an awfully good argument for any free agent QBs for next year. I would plug McNabb in a heartbeat.

But what about the 2 minute offense? :(

 

[NJJets]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

The only way for Minny to win their division at this point is to run the table and I don't see that happening as they still have to play the Giants (Coughlin isn't going to let his team forget their season ending humiliation from last year and will want some revenge for that) And the Eagles (Who are going to probably need the game for a possible playoff berth)

 

[NJJets]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...

Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

Trying to put myself in Wilf's shoes, I would have called Favre on Monday to ask if he agreed with releasing Moss. If he did then I would have let it play out as it did. If he did not, I would have overruled Childress and kept Moss on the team. If Childress had a problem with that I would have removed all head coaching responsibilities or fired him.For Childress, I consider this a keystone move. He had better turn this year into a deep playoff run or be fired/demoted.

I think both Childress and Wilf mishandled the situation to the detriment of the team. With Moss, Rice, ADP, Harvin, Schianco on this team they would have an awfully good argument for any free agent QBs for next year. I would plug McNabb in a heartbeat.

But what about the 2 minute offense?

That was Shanahan sending a message to his team IMHO it had nothing to do with McNabb's conditioning

 

[bakes]

Not so bold prediction: Vikings tank in an obvious manner against the Cards, Chilly's gone on Tuesday.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Not so bold prediction: Vikings tank in an obvious manner against the Cards, Chilly's gone on Tuesday.

 

[Sudsy]

I know I'm a little hungover, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt...Why doesn't Wilf hire another Head Coach (or promote within) & DEMOTE Childress to a much lower position? If he fired him, he'd have to pay him anyway. Maybe Childress would quit?

We still don't know how Bevell and Favre would react if Childress was fired or demoted. How much loyalty do they have to one another?I think Wilf, rightly so, hasn't given up hope on the season with Chilly as head coach. If the Vikings were elimated from contention that would change things but, for as inept as the Vikings have been, they are only 3 games behind with the majority of division games still ahead.

Trying to put myself in Wilf's shoes, I would have called Favre on Monday to ask if he agreed with releasing Moss. If he did then I would have let it play out as it did. If he did not, I would have overruled Childress and kept Moss on the team. If Childress had a problem with that I would have removed all head coaching responsibilities or fired him.For Childress, I consider this a keystone move. He had better turn this year into a deep playoff run or be fired/demoted.I think both Childress and Wilf mishandled the situation to the detriment of the team. With Moss, Rice, ADP, Harvin, Schianco on this team they would have an awfully good argument for any free agent QBs for next year. I would plug McNabb in a heartbeat.

McNabb is toast. why do you Viking fans persist in not seeing that you have a legitimate Q.B. on your roster? Jackson had a normal start and progression for a rookie. By the end of his time as a starter he was performing extremely well. Last week in emergency duty he was perfection. This guy is the Rodney Dangerfield of Q.B.'s, no respect.

 

[FUBAR]

How is it guys like Chilly and Matt Millen stay employed so long?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

How is it guys like Chilly and Matt Millen stay employed so long?

I can't speak for Millen, but back to back division championships helps the job security.