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RIP David Bowie (1 Viewer)

jamny said:
Why? Stern was always a huge Bowie fan and put this all together. Bowie played at one of Howard's birthday parties.
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I could really do about 20,000 words on that and not even be warmed up, becasue it's at the heart of how our culture went wrong. Suffice to say that Bowie was the greatest force i've ever seen at helping people embrace their difference and Stern was the greatest force for using people's need for attention to turn their difference into cheap, prurient jokes.

 
wikkidpissah said:
I could really do about 20,000 words on that and not even be warmed up, becasue it's at the heart of how our culture went wrong. Suffice to say that Bowie was the greatest force i've ever seen at helping people embrace their difference and Stern was the greatest force for using people's need for attention to turn their difference into cheap, prurient jokes.
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:popcorn:  Go on...

 
Tom Servo said:
:popcorn:  Go on...
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Not only can't, energywise, but won't. Fanboy culture was a constant target for me a decade ago on these boards, but i am so outnumbered on the subject here that i simply don't bother anymore. Basically, Boomers deconstructed the culture foisted upon them and subsequent gens mistook the deconstructions as real cultural touchpoints and essentially turned our satires into their cultures, a fallacy which has wrought but junk. Here's a sample of my old rambles, so old i had to change the "40" to "50" in the first sentence: 

Thing is, everyone under 50yo is the butt of a enormous joke and, most ironically of all, it is one of your own making. The gist of it is that you dont get the original joke upon which all mass media is based. Media is, by its nature, self-referential. Those who used it best during the dawn of massmedia (1970s) could satisfy wide audiences of squares with gimmicks and then wink at the media-hip about what they were getting away with. The modern term for it is deconstructing but, back then, it was so much more than that. Baby Boomers George Lucas & Stephen Spielberg stole the forms of the Western & Saturday matinee serial, added gadgets & gimmicks, and we Boomers all had a good giggle that these guys became the envy of every grownup & the hero of every kid and put our gen on display as adults for the first time with an act of plagiarism. Howard Stern took on talk radio and gave it the heft of the old serials & variety programs by using fart jokes & lesbian dial-a-date to give it visual proxy again. What's more, the yahoos & yabbos who became Stern fanatics and elevated him as a hero of All-Media (because of the fart jokes & topless lesbians) became as much a butt of the joke as the poor saps who would get nekkid or stuff things up dey butt. David Letterman took late night and made it the launch platform for an entire new language, sarcasm. The reason he got so pissed when Leno got the Tonight Show is that the whole point of his efforts was to get daddy's show by making fun of daddy. Then something weird happened. The generation who were children during this era started taking all the jokes & pranks seriously. There was all of a sudden massive conventions at which to make self-defining exercises of these deconstructions. Time-killers became time-spenders and eventually time-transcenders. Everything conceived as in-things became out-things, with the new practitioners taking these hijinks at face value. Then, when first-person video games & high-concept 'rassling & reality shows came along as celebrations of the meaningless there was an entire audience waiting to integrate them into society as actual culture, instead of satires upon culture. 
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David Foster Wallace's deconstruction of Letterman's deconstruction was ageless. 

Somewhere, out there, there are those of us who are not the butts of a enormous cultural cosmic joke, and are outnumbered for sure, but rather very confident in what we say and willing to suffer for it a bit if it means something.   

 
Went down the DB rabbit hole last night after seeing this. Was there a Bowie song ranking thread?

 
SiriusXM is running a limited engagement Bowie channel on 104 right now, guess it ends in early February. Seems like he might be deserving of a permanent one. :shrug:

 
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