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** Road To The 2018 Triple Crown - 5/10: Justy Back On (The) Track, Ruis Will Ship Bolty/Duck The Rain ** (1 Viewer)

Pat Day Mile 

#5 MISSISSIPPI

PICKING WINNERS. 

is that ob####ating?

fatten yet rolls, gents - let's get this one

ETA: use with Lombo/Greyvitos undahneet

 
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wikkidpissah said:
My OG Derby future is running today?! Kul -
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let's hope so - 

for you other folks, Mississippi had the lead in the stretch in the Fla. Derby before ceding to Aud and Hof - 5 weeks off, cutting back to the mile - Greyvitos was early Derby timber before injury, training facility fire ... gave MBJ a target in the Lexi. he looked fluid off the bench. 

Lombo is Cali knock about, was up in with the big 'uns out there, this is more his speed

ETA: popped out for a Julep, or ten ... referred to these as "aniscule" and was immediately bought a shot. 

any update on Flamey's odds? some toofless mugga up in this b.o.b. needs to know ...

 
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I'm in. 5 superfecta all anchored by Just., Mendy, Audi.,     also in on the Tri & Exacta.   4 hundo down the tubes but I wasted that on much worse.   Good luck gents & thank you for all the kind answers to sometimes stupid questions.  I'm officially hooked & lovin it.

 
irishidiot said:
How will the slop affect the deep closers ?  Those 25-1 shots that come from no where to get 3rd.  I would think it would affect them a lot because of the mudsplash???????????
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Just watched the Pat Day - the movers didnt move and none of the frontrunners wanted to leave their path on the backstretch. I'd be very surprised if the Derby was won by a horse who isnt prominent early (maybe a rail sneaker, but theyre almost impossible to call).

 
didja all see those payouts on the Pat Day?

insane to try and spread in KD to get a piece of this rollicking lottery fest. 

my bad to suggest swinging for it today, gents ... just playiJusty to win for $5, the windfall will bag ya 2 juleps. 

is that ob####ating?

 
otb_lifer said:
didja all see those payouts on the Pat Day?

insane to try and spread in KD to get a piece of this rollicking lottery fest. 

my bad to suggest swinging for it today, gents ... just playiJusty to win for $5, the windfall will bag ya 2 juleps. 

is that ob####ating?
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Was that a $50K Tri?  Spires showing $8K+ for $0.50

wait I’m terrible at math today...more like $34K on a $2 ticket

 
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Haven't watched many of the horses this spring.

Just going off the pp's I might plunk a few bucks down on Bolty.

Might play 2 across on the 2

 
help me out i usually just box em up easy peasy but doing a little different this time.

how do I bet a trifecta

5/7/11

over

5/6/7/11/16

over

4/5/6/7/9/11/16

and am I right that this is 60 combos ($30 for a 50 cent trifecta?)

Thx

-QG

 
Dan Lambskin said:
Satellite will have it, for traditional AM/FM not sure, is there an NBC sports affiliate?
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Thanks.  What satellite station?  This is all new for us.  We bet Mendelsohhn, he can handle any surface.  Put a speedo on him and some goggles and he'll take care of business.  Otherwise Justify would crush.

 
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/the-ugly-truth-about-horse-racing/284594/

There are essentially three types of people in horse racing. There are the crooks who dangerously drug or otherwise abuse their horses, or who countenance such conduct from their agents, and who then dare the industry to come catch them. Then there are the dupes who labor under the fantasy that the sport is broadly fair and honest. And there are those masses in the middle—neither naive nor cheaters but rather honorable souls—who know the industry is more crooked than it ought to be but who still don't do all they can to fix the problem.

The Kentucky Derby and the Slow Death of Horse Racing

The first category, the cheaters, are a small, feral minority still large enough to stain the integrity of the sport for everyone else. The second category, the innocents, also a small group, are more or less hopeless—if they haven't figured out by now they are being wronged they likely never will. So it is from the third category of horsemen and horsewomen, the far-too-silent majority, the good people who see wrong but won't give their all to right it, where serious reform must come if the sport is to survive and thrive.

And that's why exposés about the abuse of racehorses, like the one posted last week by Joe Drape in The New York Times, are so important. They don't aim to offer salvation to the unholy or to rouse the ignorant from their slumber. They speak directly instead to the many good and honest people in horse racing whose consciences are still in play. And they say to those respectable people, in essence, "You are fooling only yourself if you think the whole world isn't aware of and repulsed by what nasty business you allow to go on inside your sport." 

The Clubhouse Turn

The story in question, "PETA Accuses Two Trainers of Cruelty," came on like a thunderclap and is profound for many reasons. First, the video upon which it is based allows people to see for themselves a little* of what animal activists have long alleged at the highest level of thoroughbred racing. The focus is on trainer Steve Asmussen, a controversial conditioner, and his top assistant trainer, Scott Blasi.** The images are of the treatment of world-class horses training at two of the most revered and distinguished tracks in America—Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky, and the Saratoga Race Course in upstate New York. 

The fact that the story comes from Drape, and the fact that the Times hitches its wagon to PETA, gives the sport's legions of apologists room to dodge, deflect, or blame the messenger, in this case a paper that has aggressively covered the sportand activists whom racing insiders love to hate. But it is a mistake to conflate hostility toward PETA with the dismissal of its work. Virtually no one beyond racing cares how PETA got the video for the same reason that virtually no one cares how activists get other undercover video of alleged animal abuse; people care only about what is in the video. Here is the link to the PETA video linked to the piece in The Times.

The story and the video also are significant—and something different—because they blend together the rampant use of drugs on horses with claims of animal cruelty in a way that has been understated even among reform-minded racing insiders. You can be cruel to a horse by hitting it or "buzzing" it with an illegal device. You can abuse a horse by forcing it to race lamely when it is lame. And you can abuse a horse by giving it too many drugs to get it to the races (or to make it race faster). So if racing officials won't stop this practice for the sake of bettors or owners, how about stopping it for the sake of horses?

This is why even the simple headline of the Times' piece crystallizes the story in a way that resonates with the outside world. Cruelty. No one beyond the world of horse racing cares if industry insiders cheat each other. But plenty of people beyond the world of horse racing cares if the animals at the heart of the sport are treated cruelly. Horse racing simply cannot survive if the general public believes racehorses are abused or neglected. I have no idea if Asmussen and Blasi are guilty of anything and I accuse them here of nothing. My point is that it doesn't really matter. The whole industry is guilty of letting it get this far. 

The Backstretch

The sport's immediate reaction to the video, like the industry itself, was split essentially into three. There was the camp, suspicious of the origins of the story,  that downplayed it or worse. There was the camp that cited the story as vindicating proof of the need for reform. And there was the camp, petrified, that uttered a lot of empty platitudes about how concerned they are. But so many members of all of these groups are so complicit in what PETA and the Timesallege that they cannot even proclaim today that they are "Shocked!"  to learn that racehorses are treated this way. The chorus here is part of the play.

It is true, of course, that most trainers, assistant trainers, jockeys, drivers, caretakers, and veterinarians care a great deal about their horses and would never intentionally harm them. But so what? How many abused horses is too many? Saying that there are exceptions to the rule of decent horse care is no answer to PETA or to the Times. The real story here is not that Steve Asmussen may be an outlier. It is that so many in the sport know that he is not. The story is not that this news is a surprise but that it took so long to emerge. You can blame PETA—you can always blame PETA—but for what, exactly?

The alleged behavior goes on, decade after decade, because the industry is unwilling to police itself. Because state regulators are feckless and because there is no uniformity among racing jurisdictions. Because the people who develop performance-enhancing drugs are almost always one step ahead of the officials developing tests for those drugs. Because veterinarians give their horses too many drugs too often. And because too many still within the sport equate real reform with a bad-for-marketing acknowledgement of how bad things are. Well, guess what. We are here. There is no longer a man behind a curtain.

If the sport cannot find a way to rid itself of a culture that abides all of this it not only won't survive—it won't deserve to survive. 

Now the traditionalists—and by that I mean the well-meaning folks who have brought horse racing in America to the precipice of collapse—are mortified to know that this story will have legs (sorry) through the Triple Crown season. This is so because PETA didn't just drop the video on the world: Its officials also brought litigation, in both federal and state court, and that in turn has aroused from their perpetual torpor racing regulators in New York and Kentucky. The story of thoroughbred racing in 2014 will forever be linked the story from PETA and the Times. It's up to the industry to make something good from that.

The Finish Line

How about telling the truth? It can finally set this industry free. Instead of pretending this problem of abuse does not exist, or claiming that the problem is under control, the sport can take the bold leap it will need to take to get to the other side—the side where animal activists aren't picketing racetracks. That will mean more money for enhanced drug tests. It will mean legislative efforts to better regulate trainers and veterinarians. It will mean swifter and stricter punishment for offenders. It will mean an end to the insider's code of silence.

"If you see something, say something" ought to be horse racing's newest rule. Wouldn't that help? Everyone in horse racing, at least everyone I know or know of, already pretty much knows what's on the tape. Anyone who has ever spent time in a shed row or on a backstretch knows that this sort of stuff goes on, in some barns but not others, by some trainers and not others, in the shadows of the sport. That it was allegedly this trainer, at these tracks, was great marketing by PETA. But that doesn't mean the story isn't real or that it can easily be dismissed.

If the sport cannot find a way to rid itself of a culture that abides all of this it not only won't survive—it won't deserve to survive. Barry Weisbord, publisher of the Thoroughbred Daily News, was right in his rant over the weekend. The industry needs a fourth group, of earnest people at the core of the industry, who no longer are content to remain silent and watch their friends, neighbors, or competitors ruin it for the rest. In horse racing, as in life, there is no such thing as "almost honest" or "somewhat crooked" or "slightly abused."

 
I went with

5/11

over

5/7/9/11

over

5/7/9/10/11/14/16

30 combos that basically guarantees the 7 wins and I kick myself.

Big fan of Bolt D'Oro however.

 
Dedfin said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/the-ugly-truth-about-horse-racing/284594/

There are essentially three types of people in horse racing. There are the crooks who dangerously drug or otherwise abuse their horses, or who countenance such conduct from their agents, and who then dare the industry to come catch them. Then there are the dupes who labor under the fantasy that the sport is broadly fair and honest. And there are those masses in the middle—neither naive nor cheaters but rather honorable souls—who know the industry is more crooked than it ought to be but who still don't do all they can to fix the problem.

The Kentucky Derby and the Slow Death of Horse Racing

The first category, the cheaters, are a small, feral minority still large enough to stain the integrity of the sport for everyone else. The second category, the innocents, also a small group, are more or less hopeless—if they haven't figured out by now they are being wronged they likely never will. So it is from the third category of horsemen and horsewomen, the far-too-silent majority, the good people who see wrong but won't give their all to right it, where serious reform must come if the sport is to survive and thrive.

And that's why exposés about the abuse of racehorses, like the one posted last week by Joe Drape in The New York Times, are so important. They don't aim to offer salvation to the unholy or to rouse the ignorant from their slumber. They speak directly instead to the many good and honest people in horse racing whose consciences are still in play. And they say to those respectable people, in essence, "You are fooling only yourself if you think the whole world isn't aware of and repulsed by what nasty business you allow to go on inside your sport." 

The Clubhouse Turn

The story in question, "PETA Accuses Two Trainers of Cruelty," came on like a thunderclap and is profound for many reasons. First, the video upon which it is based allows people to see for themselves a little* of what animal activists have long alleged at the highest level of thoroughbred racing. The focus is on trainer Steve Asmussen, a controversial conditioner, and his top assistant trainer, Scott Blasi.** The images are of the treatment of world-class horses training at two of the most revered and distinguished tracks in America—Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky, and the Saratoga Race Course in upstate New York. 

The fact that the story comes from Drape, and the fact that the Times hitches its wagon to PETA, gives the sport's legions of apologists room to dodge, deflect, or blame the messenger, in this case a paper that has aggressively covered the sportand activists whom racing insiders love to hate. But it is a mistake to conflate hostility toward PETA with the dismissal of its work. Virtually no one beyond racing cares how PETA got the video for the same reason that virtually no one cares how activists get other undercover video of alleged animal abuse; people care only about what is in the video. Here is the link to the PETA video linked to the piece in The Times.

The story and the video also are significant—and something different—because they blend together the rampant use of drugs on horses with claims of animal cruelty in a way that has been understated even among reform-minded racing insiders. You can be cruel to a horse by hitting it or "buzzing" it with an illegal device. You can abuse a horse by forcing it to race lamely when it is lame. And you can abuse a horse by giving it too many drugs to get it to the races (or to make it race faster). So if racing officials won't stop this practice for the sake of bettors or owners, how about stopping it for the sake of horses?

This is why even the simple headline of the Times' piece crystallizes the story in a way that resonates with the outside world. Cruelty. No one beyond the world of horse racing cares if industry insiders cheat each other. But plenty of people beyond the world of horse racing cares if the animals at the heart of the sport are treated cruelly. Horse racing simply cannot survive if the general public believes racehorses are abused or neglected. I have no idea if Asmussen and Blasi are guilty of anything and I accuse them here of nothing. My point is that it doesn't really matter. The whole industry is guilty of letting it get this far. 

The Backstretch

The sport's immediate reaction to the video, like the industry itself, was split essentially into three. There was the camp, suspicious of the origins of the story,  that downplayed it or worse. There was the camp that cited the story as vindicating proof of the need for reform. And there was the camp, petrified, that uttered a lot of empty platitudes about how concerned they are. But so many members of all of these groups are so complicit in what PETA and the Timesallege that they cannot even proclaim today that they are "Shocked!"  to learn that racehorses are treated this way. The chorus here is part of the play.

It is true, of course, that most trainers, assistant trainers, jockeys, drivers, caretakers, and veterinarians care a great deal about their horses and would never intentionally harm them. But so what? How many abused horses is too many? Saying that there are exceptions to the rule of decent horse care is no answer to PETA or to the Times. The real story here is not that Steve Asmussen may be an outlier. It is that so many in the sport know that he is not. The story is not that this news is a surprise but that it took so long to emerge. You can blame PETA—you can always blame PETA—but for what, exactly?

The alleged behavior goes on, decade after decade, because the industry is unwilling to police itself. Because state regulators are feckless and because there is no uniformity among racing jurisdictions. Because the people who develop performance-enhancing drugs are almost always one step ahead of the officials developing tests for those drugs. Because veterinarians give their horses too many drugs too often. And because too many still within the sport equate real reform with a bad-for-marketing acknowledgement of how bad things are. Well, guess what. We are here. There is no longer a man behind a curtain.

If the sport cannot find a way to rid itself of a culture that abides all of this it not only won't survive—it won't deserve to survive. 

Now the traditionalists—and by that I mean the well-meaning folks who have brought horse racing in America to the precipice of collapse—are mortified to know that this story will have legs (sorry) through the Triple Crown season. This is so because PETA didn't just drop the video on the world: Its officials also brought litigation, in both federal and state court, and that in turn has aroused from their perpetual torpor racing regulators in New York and Kentucky. The story of thoroughbred racing in 2014 will forever be linked the story from PETA and the Times. It's up to the industry to make something good from that.

The Finish Line

How about telling the truth? It can finally set this industry free. Instead of pretending this problem of abuse does not exist, or claiming that the problem is under control, the sport can take the bold leap it will need to take to get to the other side—the side where animal activists aren't picketing racetracks. That will mean more money for enhanced drug tests. It will mean legislative efforts to better regulate trainers and veterinarians. It will mean swifter and stricter punishment for offenders. It will mean an end to the insider's code of silence.

"If you see something, say something" ought to be horse racing's newest rule. Wouldn't that help? Everyone in horse racing, at least everyone I know or know of, already pretty much knows what's on the tape. Anyone who has ever spent time in a shed row or on a backstretch knows that this sort of stuff goes on, in some barns but not others, by some trainers and not others, in the shadows of the sport. That it was allegedly this trainer, at these tracks, was great marketing by PETA. But that doesn't mean the story isn't real or that it can easily be dismissed.

If the sport cannot find a way to rid itself of a culture that abides all of this it not only won't survive—it won't deserve to survive. Barry Weisbord, publisher of the Thoroughbred Daily News, was right in his rant over the weekend. The industry needs a fourth group, of earnest people at the core of the industry, who no longer are content to remain silent and watch their friends, neighbors, or competitors ruin it for the rest. In horse racing, as in life, there is no such thing as "almost honest" or "somewhat crooked" or "slightly abused."
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Nice post ?

 
QuizGuy66 said:
help me out i usually just box em up easy peasy but doing a little different this time.

how do I bet a trifecta

5/7/11

over

5/6/7/11/16

over

4/5/6/7/9/11/16

and am I right that this is 60 combos ($30 for a 50 cent trifecta?)

Thx

-QG
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Yes

assuming you don’t have anything odd (a horse in 2nd not in 3rd) it’s line

horses line 1 x horses line 2 -1 x horses line 3-2

Rodrigo Duterte said:
Thanks.  What satellite station?  This is all new for us.  We bet Mendelsohhn, he can handle any surface.  Put a speedo on him and some goggles and he'll take care of business.  Otherwise Justify would crush.
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94 maybe...low 90s

 
Keyed 400 dollars worth of tris with Justy on top. A lot of 7/all/4,12, etc.... and 7/4,12, etc..../all. Hit a 700 dollar tri at Gulfstream so I’m playing the derby for free today! Good luck fellas!

 
In heavy on 6 Good Magic, 7 Justify, and 12 Enticed. 

Enticed has won in the muck before and I've pissed away money on WORSE 55-1 horses than this guy.

 
JShare87 said:
Keyed 400 dollars worth of tris with Justy on top. A lot of 7/all/4,12, etc.... and 7/4,12, etc..../all. Hit a 700 dollar tri at Gulfstream so I’m playing the derby for free today! Good luck fellas!
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why spread that deep? 

we're only here to pick a WINNER, ya know, like at Fonner park on a Friday, where ya get basically the same mutuel payout as you will today on a win bet.

and did you hit that tri at Gulfstream cold? 'cuz spreading is taboo. and to suggest otherwise may be treading into ob####scating waters

:banned:

 
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