Ron Dayne expected to steal goaline carries (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

What would you expect him to say to the press?"Well, he's sort of chubby and slow, but we are thin at RB and needed a cheap body."

You don't think he can say something positive to the press about Dayne without having to specify that he's a "bruiser" when he's not?

 

[Interseptopus]

all of the above

coach talk, what do you expect him to say, all good points. Dayne's going to be the RB3 over there... and yes I'd say he's one of the better veteran RBs out there for HOU to sign... but that doesn't mean Dayne's the second coming or anything

 

[Buckna]

Is there really still a belief out there that Dayne is a bruiser? :

Here's Kubiak's quote:

"He gives us a real bruiser. He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two. Because we're familiar with him, he can step right into our offense on Tuesday and know exactly what we're doing. At this point that's a tremendous advantage for us."

We can laugh all we want, but it sure sounds like Kubiak's going to use Dayne in short yardage.

it sure looks like Kubiak is vying for the first pick in the '07 draft.

Why? Because they cut their undrafted RB3 Chris Taylor and picked up the cut Ron Dayne off of the Waiver Wire to replace him?

 

[3C's]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

What would you expect him to say to the press?"Well, he's sort of chubby and slow, but we are thin at RB and needed a cheap body."

I Otis.

 

[nightshift]

Dayne is the starter by week 6.

 

[Nemesis Enforcer]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

I don't think I know more than Kubiak football wise but I certainly know what I have seen of Dayne.He was drafted by the NY Giants to be their goalline/short yardage back. He had the most rushes of his career in 2000 when he got 228, he scored 5 times but rushed for only 3.4 yards a carry. Next season he dropped to 180 but got 2 more scores. 2001 was his best year as a fantasy player, he had 690 yards and 7 tds. That was 5 years ago. He also raised his yards per carry to 3.8 the highest of his career up until last season. The Giants knew they had made a mistake, Dayne did not hit the hole hard nor did he move many piles. Even though he has a bigger build he is not a goalline back. 3 out of his 5 years he has rushed for 3.4 yards a carry, last season on only 53 rushes he had a 5.1 average. He has only scored 1 td a year the last two seasons and he has recently been rushing behind one of the better offensive lines in the NFL and arguably in the best rushing system. He could not get it done there. He could not beat out an undrafted rookie and an often nicked up change of pace back.Now he is going to the Texans where he is familar with the system and the coach but why would anyone believe he will magically get it all of a sudden. Coaches always think they can change a player, that is why Owens and his baggage can always find work. They will try anything to win.I just don't see Dayne who has struggled everywhere he has gone, specifically in the role he is supposed to be used in being anything other than a third string insurance back picked up for depth purposes only.

 

[Village Idiot]

Dayne is the starter by week 6.

I'll take the over.Unless the line is set at never then, I'm predicting a push.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I personally think he brought Dayne in because the Texans had a grand total of two RBs on the roster. You can't start the season with 2 RBs on an NFL team.

He knows what he's getting with Dayne and Dayne knows the system. That's a big plus.

Last year when Kubiak was Dayne's offensive coordinator, the Broncos had 37 rushing attempts at the goal line.

Kubiak / Shanahan chose to give the ball to Mike Anderson 25 times. Tatum Bell 9 times and Ron Dayne 1 time. Johnson and Sapp got the other 2.

FWIW.

J

 

[L-pipe]

Don't you have to get close to the goal line to use him?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Dayne is a great short yardage/goal line back just ask the Giants

Well, Wheatley put it together after leaving, but I don't have hopes for him. How many times will the texans see the goaline this year anyway?What a F-ing fiasco, Mario Williams better be Reggie White and Bruce Smith rolled into one.

 

[Donnybrook]

I personally think he brought Dayne in because the Texans had a grand total of two RBs on the roster. You can't start the season with 2 RBs on an NFL team.

They cut Chris Taylor to add Ron Dayne. I never saw Chris Taylor play but he had some size - 6' 225.

 

[FFdork]

I personally think he brought Dayne in because the Texans had a grand total of two RBs on the roster. You can't start the season with 2 RBs on an NFL team.

He knows what he's getting with Dayne and Dayne knows the system. That's a big plus.

Last year when Kubiak was Dayne's offensive coordinator, the Broncos had 37 rushing attempts at the goal line.

Kubiak / Shanahan chose to give the ball to Mike Anderson 25 times. Tatum Bell 9 times and Ron Dayne 1 time. Johnson and Sapp got the other 2.

FWIW.

J

Thank you Joe. As an aside, we should have some sort of "Time Sucker Awards" ceremony to recognize the worthless players that we have wasted the most time on posting about on these boards.

Here's what I wrote in the other Dayne thread from last night:

I don't get why the Texans/Kubiak/their beat reporter/whoever think Dayne will be the short yardage specialist. He seems like he should be one when you look at his size, but that's not really his running style...it's been tried before and it didn't really work out. This signing makes a lot of sense for depth. It's not inconceivable that he could steal carries or even be given a chance to start at some point given the situation, but color me pessimistic. I wouldn't move Lundy much on your board (he shoudn't be that high to start with to represent value). IMO it's a lot better news for Lundy owners then the Texans making a trade for a more proven back and totally mucking up the situation.

 

[flapgreen]

Let me guess. Dayne is in the best shape of his career......AGAIN!!!

 

[Tau837]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

He knows tons more than me. With that said, Ron Dayne will not be a factor this season or ever. This is what they call "coach speak". Just because a coach says something, doesn't mean it's going to happen. Take what coaches say with a grain of salt. Mike Shanahan praised Dayne left and right...and ended up cutting him.Ron Dayne is useless to have on your FF roster, regardless of how big your league is. This is a fact. Accept it.

 

[Tau837]

I personally think he brought Dayne in because the Texans had a grand total of two RBs on the roster. You can't start the season with 2 RBs on an NFL team.

He knows what he's getting with Dayne and Dayne knows the system. That's a big plus.

Last year when Kubiak was Dayne's offensive coordinator, the Broncos had 37 rushing attempts at the goal line.

Kubiak / Shanahan chose to give the ball to Mike Anderson 25 times. Tatum Bell 9 times and Ron Dayne 1 time. Johnson and Sapp got the other 2.

FWIW.

J

 

[Jmon]

If Dayne is the goal line, short yardage back, I would boost Kris Brown up in the kicker rankings. This coming from a Giants fan. He is too slow to find a crease and not strong enough to move the pile. There will be more field goal attempts with Dayne lugging the rock.

 

[packersfan]

Thomas Jones was once a bust. Larry Johnson was once a major Bust. Lamont Jordan didnt do squat his first few years.

One rather significant difference between Dayne and that group is the three RBs listed above didn't bust on two teams as Dayne now has. It's my belief that Dayne was signed because he's cheap, because Kubiak knows him (though that alone should've led him to go in another direction) and, most importantly, because he knows the system which is vital given the schedule involved before Sunday. Another fact here is that Dayne was in many ways handed first crack at the starting job on a Super Bowl contender this summer and choked on it. Not only did he choke on it but he choked so badly he got beat out by not only one, not only two, but three different RBs.Dayne's terrible. I would not expect him to have any meaningful success in Houston this season unless Lundy and/or Morency both stink to high heaven. And while both are unproven I don't believe both of them are going to bust this season. Dayne = depth in 2006 for the Texans.

 

[Disco Stu]

I think a looot of people were just burned by Ron Dayne this pre-season. I've never seen anything like this - a head coach signs a veteran when he has two extremely inexperienced players at the top of the depth chart because of a major injury to the starter, comes out and calls Dayne a "real brusier" and SAYS that dayne will be used in short-yardage and goal line carries, and everyone just says "Dayne is not a bruiser", "Dayne sucks", etc.

Please show us where Kubiak said Dayne will be used in short yardage. As far as I can tell, this is the complete quote...

"He gives us a real bruiser," head coach Gary Kubiak said of Dayne. "He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two. Because we're familiar with him, he can step right into our offense on Tuesday (Sept. 5) and know exactly what we're doing. At this point that's a tremendous advantage for us."

 

[DA RAIDERS]

run dayne sux0rs. huge. that is a fact.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Dayne's 5.1 yards per carry average was only over 53 carries and included a 55 yarder. Without that one single run, Dayne averages 4.1 ypc

I don't care about Dayne, but I have NEVER understood why people say things like this. So, you're going to count the bad carries, but not the good carries? That said, Dayne sucks, so carry on....

 

[Traders2001]

It does nt scare anyone that Dayne ( Is suppose to get the goal line carries ) cause he is the worst goal line and short yardage back in the NFL.

 

[mr. furley]

Is there really still a belief out there that Dayne is a bruiser? :

Here's Kubiak's quote:

"He gives us a real bruiser. He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two. Because we're familiar with him, he can step right into our offense on Tuesday and know exactly what we're doing. At this point that's a tremendous advantage for us."

We can laugh all we want, but it sure sounds like Kubiak's going to use Dayne in short yardage.

it sure looks like Kubiak is vying for the first pick in the '07 draft.

Brady Quinn? :(

boy he looked great vs. Georgia Tech. :X

 

[nightshift]

Again, I'll defer to Kubiak's expertise.

- he could have made a trade before the cutdown date. He didn't.

- he had practically his pick of any running back off waivers. He chose Dayne. He went with who & what he knows. KNOWS!

- he has been & is one of the best offensive coaches in the league.

- he has been a running backs' coach.

Chances are Dayne will only be a back-up. However, the 2 in front of him do not have any NFL expertise with the exception of pre-season.

If any coach in the NFL can turn Dayne around, it would be Kubiak. Last chance for Dayne is now and in Houston.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Good points nightshift, but can't the same sort of be said about Denver last year? Kubiak is now coaching the whole team and has delegated responsibilities that he had last year in Denver. Wouldn't it have made more logical sense for him to have succeeded w/ the Dayne Reclamation project last year, as opposed to this year?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Good points nightshift, but can't the same sort of be said about Denver last year? Kubiak is now coaching the whole team and has delegated responsibilities that he had last year in Denver. Wouldn't it have made more logical sense for him to have succeeded w/ the Dayne Reclamation project last year, as opposed to this year?

Well speaking of last year, I think the Dayne Reclamation Project WAS pretty successful - successful enough for them to feel comfortable releasing Mike Anderson and having Dayne be the heir apparent to that role. Obviously it did not work out in the pre-season, but one cannot ignore the fact that Dayne had been tapped for that role, and it's POSSIBLE that without the turf toe injury, he'd still have it.

 

[knowledge dropper]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

What would you expect him to say to the press?"Well, he's sort of chubby and slow, but we are thin at RB and needed a cheap body."

Or something like this?"First the fans rip us for not taking a Heisman Trophy winner and now they rip us for adding a Heisman Trophy winner. I don't get it."

 

[bjabrad]

I think a looot of people were just burned by Ron Dayne this pre-season. I've never seen anything like this - a head coach signs a veteran when he has two extremely inexperienced players at the top of the depth chart because of a major injury to the starter, comes out and calls Dayne a "real brusier" and SAYS that dayne will be used in short-yardage and goal line carries, and everyone just says "Dayne is not a bruiser", "Dayne sucks", etc.Do you people believe that Kubiak signed him as a ploy to motivate Wali Lundy?

no, it's called depth. HOU won't know what they've got until they've got him there and see Dayne and Lundy and Morency play in games. Lundy is the starter for now but you guys know how it works. Any RB is only a tweaked ankle or poor performance away from being the back up. From what I've seen on Lundy he'll be very good, Morency has looked very good as well. For what it's worth, Wells performed very well in HOU which tells me that Dayne could be OK there as well so what have we learned? Not a damn thing and we won't until it starts to play itself out and the cream rises to the top.

 

[Traders2001]

Dude - I tried this already - unfortunatly - people around here are a little bit stubborn when it comes to Texans RBs. Thats why its hard to win fantasy championships. Stubbornness Kills. The Abillity to have forsight and use it wins fantasy titles. Ron Dayne averaged 5.1 YPC last year in this exact system. Thats a fact. Dayne played for Kubiak last season. Thats a fact. Dayne can step right in and know the offense. Thats a fact. The 2 backs in front of Dayne have a combined 46 carries in this league. Thats a fact. The 2 backs in front of Dayne have a combined 13 games NFL experience. Thats a fact.

Tks for the advise , i got Dayne today for nothing ( I am a Lundy owner , did nt take a chance )True he played very well last season , you never know .

 

[Jagerbomber]

Ron Dayne is a Texan for the same reason Jeff George is a Raider; cheap insurance. Altho Jeff George = insurance doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

 

[cowboy homer]

So everyone just thinks they know better than Kubiak?

"He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball."

What do you expect him to say. We signed him even though we know he sucks but at least he is real cheap.

 

[Traders2001]

Ron Dayne is a Texan for the same reason Jeff George is a Raider; cheap insurance. Altho Jeff George = insurance doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

George was cut ..................

 

[red]

your #1 RB is out for the season

you enter your first year as HC with 2 rather inexperienced RB on your roster....that's it, 2!!! and, preseason is over.

then, there's a RB you know, you've coach, knows your system and is available....where's the surprise or conspiracy...ron dayne is a third RB that can easily fall into the system on the last day of preseason and be serviceable is a #3...goalline or not, the texans needed a 3rd RB after losing DD

 

[Jagerbomber]

Ron Dayne is a Texan for the same reason Jeff George is a Raider; cheap insurance. Altho Jeff George = insurance doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

George was cut ..................

LOL Well then, shows how much I know.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Good points nightshift, but can't the same sort of be said about Denver last year? Kubiak is now coaching the whole team and has delegated responsibilities that he had last year in Denver. Wouldn't it have made more logical sense for him to have succeeded w/ the Dayne Reclamation project last year, as opposed to this year?

Exactly Colin. I see people getting all excited because Dayne now finally has a guy like Kubiak that will use him effectively. Of course most of you kow he's had Kubiak.J

 

[nightshift]

Good points nightshift, but can't the same sort of be said about Denver last year? Kubiak is now coaching the whole team and has delegated responsibilities that he had last year in Denver. Wouldn't it have made more logical sense for him to have succeeded w/ the Dayne Reclamation project last year, as opposed to this year?

Exactly Colin. I see people getting all excited because Dayne now finally has a guy like Kubiak that will use him effectively. Of course most of you kow he's had Kubiak.J

Kubiak did a decent job with him last year. Decent enough for him to be in the running for the lead position in Denver. (C'mon guys, what was Dayne like in 04? ) Didn't make it though... maybe 'cause Kubiak wasn't there?I don't believe for a moment that just becuase he's a head coach that Kubiak still doesn't have a serious hand in the offense or more importantly, the running game. Right now that area needs his expertise.Do not underestimate coaching. There are some killer RB coaches in this league and there are some that leave a lot to be desired.Fantasy bottomline: If you can grab Dayne, stash him as a RB 4, 5, 6, etc., then he's worth the flyer. If you are counting on him as your #1, then there's always next year!

 

[#@%&$!?]

Is this guy even 100%? He hasn't played since preseason game 1.

 

[brakeyawself]

Is this guy even 100%? He hasn't played since preseason game 1.

He has the turf toe. My feeling is he is too heavy for his own toe. Its like resting a bowling ball on a broken toothpick. Ron Dayne just cant stand up.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Good points nightshift, but can't the same sort of be said about Denver last year? Kubiak is now coaching the whole team and has delegated responsibilities that he had last year in Denver. Wouldn't it have made more logical sense for him to have succeeded w/ the Dayne Reclamation project last year, as opposed to this year?

Exactly Colin. I see people getting all excited because Dayne now finally has a guy like Kubiak that will use him effectively. Of course most of you kow he's had Kubiak.J

Kubiak did a decent job with him last year. Decent enough for him to be in the running for the lead position in Denver. (C'mon guys, what was Dayne like in 04? ) Didn't make it though... maybe 'cause Kubiak wasn't there?I don't believe for a moment that just becuase he's a head coach that Kubiak still doesn't have a serious hand in the offense or more importantly, the running game. Right now that area needs his expertise.Do not underestimate coaching. There are some killer RB coaches in this league and there are some that leave a lot to be desired.Fantasy bottomline: If you can grab Dayne, stash him as a RB 4, 5, 6, etc., then he's worth the flyer. If you are counting on him as your #1, then there's always next year!

For sure, Nightshift. We agree there. I just see some people seeing Kubiak as coach and thinking that is some sort of change for Dayne. He is leaving running back nirvana in Denver. Any change leaving Denver might be a wash but I don't think it could ever be better. And he'll have the same guy in Kubiak he had last year.J